I am having a debate regarding gedmatch. I think many members of this group have had similar problems. The problem starts because a close personal friend of mine is adopted. He was born in Singapore. His adoption records show his father was a British military officer stationed in Singapore. His mother was a Filipina, probably a maid or a domestic servant. As he is a friend and knows nothing about DNA testing I paid for his Family Finder test. The results came back with a lot of Philippines matches but very few British matches. A friend of his convinced him to take the Y-DNA37 test. The result just came back showing only one Y-DNA37 match who is also on Family Finder. I fear his money will be wasted on the Y-DNA37 test so I wrote to his one match asking this person to join gedmatch. This resulted in a heated exchange. This person said he would not join gedmatch. This person wrote back: “In the past, I have had opportunities to consider and reject GEDmatch in other cases, and am afraid that we are not inclined to reconsider it. It is a matter of ethics and personal privacy.” I replied: “If you are so concerned about "privacy" then you should not have taken a DNA test in the first place and you should not have joined FTDNA.” He replied back that he is reporting me and blocking me. I admit that perhaps I was too strident and I should have been more polite, but this is the result of frustration with people who are pigheaded and stupid. What concerns me is she says she is in contact with people who are high authorities on DNA testing so this leads me to wonder whether there are some high people in the background who are telling people not to join gedmatch because of “matters of ethics and personal privacy.” Here is the email exchange: ME: I see you are a Y-DNA relative of Arnout. You are also in Family Finder. Do you have a gedmatch number. If you do, can you provide it so we can calculate how we are related. Arnout is on Family Tree DNA at 431192 ANSWER: My name is Letha Chunn, and I’m a cousin of Michael’s and manage his DNA testing. No, we do not have any connection with GedMatch, and are not likely to. We also show no match to Arnout in our Family Finder testing. His name simply does not exist there. That is likely because your Y-DNA match shows a genetic distance of 4. In other words, the likelihood of a common ancestor for you and Michael at 4 generations is only 11.7%. At 8 generations, it is only 46.37%. The rule of thumb in assessing Y-DNA matches is that one doesn’t pay attention to any that have less than a genetic distance of two because you will never find a common ancestor. The matches to pursue are those in the 0-2 genetic distance range. That having been said, we are having great difficulty finding a DNA match on Y-DNA in the 0-2 range. In fact, we have no matches there. Even your match shows that Arnout is from haplogroup R-M198 and Michael is from haplogroup R-M512. Our surnames are different as well. Have you joined any groups? Our Bishop line is from Maryland, and we have Michael in the Maryland and Bishop Projects. His DNA is listed on those two sites. I don’t know if you would qualify for membership if your family is not from Maryland and your surname isn’t Bishop. MY REPLY: I disagree. I can almost always find the link as long as the person is 4.0 or closer away. This is probably because I have working on it for a long time and I have a full family tree. I do not have anybody 2.0 for less except for close relatives where I paid for them to be tested. If I took your standard I would never have gotten off the ground. Arnout was adopted. He was born in Singapore. His adoption records only show that his father was British military stationed in Singapore and his mother was a Filipina, probably a maid or a domestic servant. Arnout just got his Y-DNA results back an you are his only link that is also on Family Finder. We would greatly appreciate it if you would join gedmatch because you are his only chance of finding his father through Y-DNA testing. All serious DNA genealogy researchers use gedmatch because gedmatch combines results from all of the DNA testing services and puts them in one place so you can compare them all against each other. HER ANSWER: Thank you again for your letter. The information that I gave you about genetic distance came to me directly from a DNA expert at FTDNA and an anthropologist/college professor friend of mine whose work with the ancient Inca civilizations is well known. I can assure you that both are “serious researchers.” In the past, I have had opportunities to consider and reject GEDmatch in other cases, and am afraid that we are not inclined to reconsider it. It is a matter of ethics and personal privacy. MY REPLY: I do not care how great and famous your "experts" are, if you do not use gedmatch you will never find your links to your relatives. There are three DNA testing discussion groups. [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Every regular member to each of these groups is on gedmatch because they all know what I am trying to tell you that you need gedmatch to find your relatives through chromosome matching. If you are so concerned about "privacy" then you should not have taken a DNA test in the first place and you should not have joined FTDNA. HER ANSWER: I am reporting your continued harrassment to FTDNA and blocking your emails. You have been given my answer. Live with it. I admit that I went too far but I did it because this was his ONLY MATCH. I think group members here have had similar experienced. Sam Sloan

I neglected to mention that his gedmatch number is T150765 You can look him up and understand the problem. Virtually all his top matched are Philippinos even though many have European names. I have already written them. However, his Y-DNA37 shows his only Y-DNA match to be British confirming his belief that his father was British. I am concerned by the fact that the person answering me is obviously experienced and not a beginner yet refuses to join gedmatch. Sam Sloan On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 6:42 AM, Sam Sloan <[email protected]> wrote: > I am having a debate regarding gedmatch. I think many members of this > group have had similar problems. > > The problem starts because a close personal friend of mine is adopted. He > was born in Singapore. His adoption records show his father was a British > military officer stationed in Singapore. His mother was a Filipina, > probably a maid or a domestic servant. > > As he is a friend and knows nothing about DNA testing I paid for his > Family Finder test. > > The results came back with a lot of Philippines matches but very few > British matches. > > A friend of his convinced him to take the Y-DNA37 test. > > The result just came back showing only one Y-DNA37 match who is also on > Family Finder. > > I fear his money will be wasted on the Y-DNA37 test so I wrote to his one > match asking this person to join gedmatch. > > This resulted in a heated exchange. This person said he would not join > gedmatch. This person wrote back: “In the past, I have had opportunities to > consider and reject GEDmatch in other cases, and am afraid that we are not > inclined to reconsider it. It is a matter of ethics and personal privacy.” > > I replied: “If you are so concerned about "privacy" then you should not > have taken a DNA test in the first place and you should not have joined > FTDNA.” > > He replied back that he is reporting me and blocking me. > > I admit that perhaps I was too strident and I should have been more > polite, but this is the result of frustration with people who are pigheaded > and stupid. > > What concerns me is she says she is in contact with people who are high > authorities on DNA testing so this leads me to wonder whether there are > some high people in the background who are telling people not to join > gedmatch because of “matters of ethics and personal privacy.” > > Here is the email exchange: > > ME: I see you are a Y-DNA relative of Arnout. You are also in Family > Finder. > > Do you have a gedmatch number. If you do, can you provide it so we can > calculate how we are related. > > Arnout is on Family Tree DNA at 431192 > > ANSWER: My name is Letha Chunn, and I’m a cousin of Michael’s and manage > his DNA testing. No, we do not have any connection with GedMatch, and are > not likely to. We also show no match to Arnout in our Family Finder > testing. His name simply does not exist there. That is likely because > your Y-DNA match shows a genetic distance of 4. In other words, the > likelihood of a common ancestor for you and Michael at 4 generations is > only 11.7%. At 8 generations, it is only 46.37%. The rule of thumb in > assessing Y-DNA matches is that one doesn’t pay attention to any that have > less than a genetic distance of two because you will never find a common > ancestor. The matches to pursue are those in the 0-2 genetic distance > range. That having been said, we are having great difficulty finding a DNA > match on Y-DNA in the 0-2 range. In fact, we have no matches there. Even > your match shows that Arnout is from haplogroup R-M198 and Michael is from > haplogroup R-M512. Our surnames are different as well. Have you joined > any groups? Our Bishop line is from Maryland, and we have Michael in the > Maryland and Bishop Projects. His DNA is listed on those two sites. I > don’t know if you would qualify for membership if your family is not from > Maryland and your surname isn’t Bishop. > > MY REPLY: I disagree. I can almost always find the link as long as the > person is 4.0 or closer away. This is probably because I have working on it > for a long time and I have a full family tree. I do not have anybody 2.0 > for less except for close relatives where I paid for them to be tested. If > I took your standard I would never have gotten off the ground. > > Arnout was adopted. He was born in Singapore. His adoption records only > show that his father was British military stationed in Singapore and his > mother was a Filipina, probably a maid or a domestic servant. > > Arnout just got his Y-DNA results back an you are his only link that is > also on Family Finder. > > We would greatly appreciate it if you would join gedmatch because you are > his only chance of finding his father through Y-DNA testing. > All serious DNA genealogy researchers use gedmatch because gedmatch > combines results from all of the DNA testing services and puts them in one > place so you can compare them all against each other. > HER ANSWER: Thank you again for your letter. The information that I gave > you about genetic distance came to me directly from a DNA expert at FTDNA > and an anthropologist/college professor friend of mine whose work with the > ancient Inca civilizations is well known. I can assure you that both are > “serious researchers.” > > In the past, I have had opportunities to consider and reject GEDmatch in > other cases, and am afraid that we are not inclined to reconsider it. It > is a matter of ethics and personal privacy. > > MY REPLY: I do not care how great and famous your "experts" are, if you do > not use gedmatch you will never find your links to your relatives. > > There are three DNA testing discussion groups. > [email protected] > [email protected] > [email protected] > > Every regular member to each of these groups is on gedmatch because they > all know what I am trying to tell you that you need gedmatch to find your > relatives through chromosome matching. > > If you are so concerned about "privacy" then you should not have taken a > DNA test in the first place and you should not have joined FTDNA. > > HER ANSWER: I am reporting your continued harrassment to FTDNA and > blocking your emails. You have been given my answer. Live with it. > > > > I admit that I went too far but I did it because this was his ONLY MATCH. > > I think group members here have had similar experienced. > > Sam Sloan >

Sam, it sounds as though you've run into a brick wall that many adoptees (and those trying to help them) do. I seem to recall that FTDNA was sued because a customer's kit number was somehow extrapolated from their GEDMatch user ID, which may be why some people remain leery of them. Why in this case though do you feel the need for GEDMatch (as opposed to the FTDNA tools)? This person is a Family Finder match, correct? That means that he is a pretty close match. Pity that he himself cannot be reached. in any event, rest assured that the odds are good that this mystery will be solved. There is a group of "search angels" in a Facebook group that specialize in this very thing (CeCe Moore and DNA Detectives). Other family members will test, and there is a tremendous amount of information online now e.g. Peoplefinders.com. Also, she has given you some clues with the Bishop and Maryland projects... perhaps Arnout can join and those admins can be of assistance. Your frustration was palpable but understandable, and it is his birthright, I believe, to find out who he is. Best regards, Stephanie Admin, Cobb DNA project Member #5587, Guild of One Name Studies On Saturday, September 23, 2017, Sam Sloan <[email protected] <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: > I neglected to mention that his gedmatch number is T150765 > You can look him up and understand the problem. > Virtually all his top matched are Philippinos even though many have > European names. I have already written them. > However, his Y-DNA37 shows his only Y-DNA match to be British confirming > his belief that his father was British. > I am concerned by the fact that the person answering me is obviously > experienced and not a beginner yet refuses to join gedmatch. > Sam Sloan > > On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 6:42 AM, Sam Sloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I am having a debate regarding gedmatch. I think many members of this > > group have had similar problems. > > > > The problem starts because a close personal friend of mine is adopted. He > > was born in Singapore. His adoption records show his father was a British > > military officer stationed in Singapore. His mother was a Filipina, > > probably a maid or a domestic servant. > > > > As he is a friend and knows nothing about DNA testing I paid for his > > Family Finder test. > > > > The results came back with a lot of Philippines matches but very few > > British matches. > > > > A friend of his convinced him to take the Y-DNA37 test. > > > > The result just came back showing only one Y-DNA37 match who is also on > > Family Finder. > > > > I fear his money will be wasted on the Y-DNA37 test so I wrote to his one > > match asking this person to join gedmatch. > > > > This resulted in a heated exchange. This person said he would not join > > gedmatch. This person wrote back: “In the past, I have had opportunities > to > > consider and reject GEDmatch in other cases, and am afraid that we are > not > > inclined to reconsider it. It is a matter of ethics and personal > privacy.” > > > > I replied: “If you are so concerned about "privacy" then you should not > > have taken a DNA test in the first place and you should not have joined > > FTDNA.” > > > > He replied back that he is reporting me and blocking me. > > > > I admit that perhaps I was too strident and I should have been more > > polite, but this is the result of frustration with people who are > pigheaded > > and stupid. > > > > What concerns me is she says she is in contact with people who are high > > authorities on DNA testing so this leads me to wonder whether there are > > some high people in the background who are telling people not to join > > gedmatch because of “matters of ethics and personal privacy.” > > > > Here is the email exchange: > > > > ME: I see you are a Y-DNA relative of Arnout. You are also in Family > > Finder. > > > > Do you have a gedmatch number. If you do, can you provide it so we can > > calculate how we are related. > > > > Arnout is on Family Tree DNA at 431192 > > > > ANSWER: My name is Letha Chunn, and I’m a cousin of Michael’s and manage > > his DNA testing. No, we do not have any connection with GedMatch, and > are > > not likely to. We also show no match to Arnout in our Family Finder > > testing. His name simply does not exist there. That is likely because > > your Y-DNA match shows a genetic distance of 4. In other words, the > > likelihood of a common ancestor for you and Michael at 4 generations is > > only 11.7%. At 8 generations, it is only 46.37%. The rule of thumb in > > assessing Y-DNA matches is that one doesn’t pay attention to any that > have > > less than a genetic distance of two because you will never find a common > > ancestor. The matches to pursue are those in the 0-2 genetic distance > > range. That having been said, we are having great difficulty finding a > DNA > > match on Y-DNA in the 0-2 range. In fact, we have no matches there. > Even > > your match shows that Arnout is from haplogroup R-M198 and Michael is > from > > haplogroup R-M512. Our surnames are different as well. Have you joined > > any groups? Our Bishop line is from Maryland, and we have Michael in the > > Maryland and Bishop Projects. His DNA is listed on those two sites. I > > don’t know if you would qualify for membership if your family is not from > > Maryland and your surname isn’t Bishop. > > > > MY REPLY: I disagree. I can almost always find the link as long as the > > person is 4.0 or closer away. This is probably because I have working on > it > > for a long time and I have a full family tree. I do not have anybody 2.0 > > for less except for close relatives where I paid for them to be tested. > If > > I took your standard I would never have gotten off the ground. > > > > Arnout was adopted. He was born in Singapore. His adoption records only > > show that his father was British military stationed in Singapore and his > > mother was a Filipina, probably a maid or a domestic servant. > > > > Arnout just got his Y-DNA results back an you are his only link that is > > also on Family Finder. > > > > We would greatly appreciate it if you would join gedmatch because you are > > his only chance of finding his father through Y-DNA testing. > > All serious DNA genealogy researchers use gedmatch because gedmatch > > combines results from all of the DNA testing services and puts them in > one > > place so you can compare them all against each other. > > HER ANSWER: Thank you again for your letter. The information that I gave > > you about genetic distance came to me directly from a DNA expert at FTDNA > > and an anthropologist/college professor friend of mine whose work with > the > > ancient Inca civilizations is well known. I can assure you that both are > > “serious researchers.” > > > > In the past, I have had opportunities to consider and reject GEDmatch in > > other cases, and am afraid that we are not inclined to reconsider it. It > > is a matter of ethics and personal privacy. > > > > MY REPLY: I do not care how great and famous your "experts" are, if you > do > > not use gedmatch you will never find your links to your relatives. > > > > There are three DNA testing discussion groups. > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > > > Every regular member to each of these groups is on gedmatch because they > > all know what I am trying to tell you that you need gedmatch to find your > > relatives through chromosome matching. > > > > If you are so concerned about "privacy" then you should not have taken a > > DNA test in the first place and you should not have joined FTDNA. > > > > HER ANSWER: I am reporting your continued harrassment to FTDNA and > > blocking your emails. You have been given my answer. Live with it. > > > > > > > > I admit that I went too far but I did it because this was his ONLY MATCH. > > > > I think group members here have had similar experienced. > > > > Sam Sloan > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sam, I taught communication courses in higher ed for 10 years and am certain from your comments that you used the wrong communication medium (email) as a form of interpersonal communication with someone you don’t know about a topic (DNA) that is or can be a sensitive subject for many. You were more than “strident,” your “heated exchange” appears to be insensitive to the member’s personal values, forceful in your language tone, and likely perceived as arrogant and rude. Did you consider a phone conversation? You and Letha would have been able to listen to each other’s nonverbal cues, i.e., tone, rate of delivery, pauses, pitch, volume, etc., and more likely to modulate you responses. You would have had more meaning in the conversation needed to empathize with her and opportunities to offer her your appreciation through active listening and feedback. Please consider offering Letha an apology then move on to another more effective strategy. GEDmatch is an excellent tool but it’s certainly not the only tool nor is it an absolute. I know how you feel and I’m sure many others on this list feel the same. However, respect the privacy of all and do no harm to those not wishing to explore their ancestry. Respectfully, Gregory > On Sep 23, 2017, at 5:42 AM, Sam Sloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am having a debate regarding gedmatch. I think many members of this group > have had similar problems. > > The problem starts because a close personal friend of mine is adopted. He > was born in Singapore. His adoption records show his father was a British > military officer stationed in Singapore. His mother was a Filipina, > probably a maid or a domestic servant. > > As he is a friend and knows nothing about DNA testing I paid for his Family > Finder test. > > The results came back with a lot of Philippines matches but very few > British matches. > > A friend of his convinced him to take the Y-DNA37 test. > > The result just came back showing only one Y-DNA37 match who is also on > Family Finder. > > I fear his money will be wasted on the Y-DNA37 test so I wrote to his one > match asking this person to join gedmatch. > > This resulted in a heated exchange. This person said he would not join > gedmatch. This person wrote back: “In the past, I have had opportunities to > consider and reject GEDmatch in other cases, and am afraid that we are not > inclined to reconsider it. It is a matter of ethics and personal privacy.” > > I replied: “If you are so concerned about "privacy" then you should not > have taken a DNA test in the first place and you should not have joined > FTDNA.” > > He replied back that he is reporting me and blocking me. > > I admit that perhaps I was too strident and I should have been more polite, > but this is the result of frustration with people who are pigheaded and > stupid. > > What concerns me is she says she is in contact with people who are high > authorities on DNA testing so this leads me to wonder whether there are > some high people in the background who are telling people not to join > gedmatch because of “matters of ethics and personal privacy.” > > Here is the email exchange: > > ME: I see you are a Y-DNA relative of Arnout. You are also in Family Finder. > > Do you have a gedmatch number. If you do, can you provide it so we can > calculate how we are related. > > Arnout is on Family Tree DNA at 431192 > > ANSWER: My name is Letha Chunn, and I’m a cousin of Michael’s and manage > his DNA testing. No, we do not have any connection with GedMatch, and are > not likely to. We also show no match to Arnout in our Family Finder > testing. His name simply does not exist there. That is likely because > your Y-DNA match shows a genetic distance of 4. In other words, the > likelihood of a common ancestor for you and Michael at 4 generations is > only 11.7%. At 8 generations, it is only 46.37%. The rule of thumb in > assessing Y-DNA matches is that one doesn’t pay attention to any that have > less than a genetic distance of two because you will never find a common > ancestor. The matches to pursue are those in the 0-2 genetic distance > range. That having been said, we are having great difficulty finding a DNA > match on Y-DNA in the 0-2 range. In fact, we have no matches there. Even > your match shows that Arnout is from haplogroup R-M198 and Michael is from > haplogroup R-M512. Our surnames are different as well. Have you joined > any groups? Our Bishop line is from Maryland, and we have Michael in the > Maryland and Bishop Projects. His DNA is listed on those two sites. I > don’t know if you would qualify for membership if your family is not from > Maryland and your surname isn’t Bishop. > > MY REPLY: I disagree. I can almost always find the link as long as the > person is 4.0 or closer away. This is probably because I have working on it > for a long time and I have a full family tree. I do not have anybody 2.0 > for less except for close relatives where I paid for them to be tested. If > I took your standard I would never have gotten off the ground. > > Arnout was adopted. He was born in Singapore. His adoption records only > show that his father was British military stationed in Singapore and his > mother was a Filipina, probably a maid or a domestic servant. > > Arnout just got his Y-DNA results back an you are his only link that is > also on Family Finder. > > We would greatly appreciate it if you would join gedmatch because you are > his only chance of finding his father through Y-DNA testing. > All serious DNA genealogy researchers use gedmatch because gedmatch > combines results from all of the DNA testing services and puts them in one > place so you can compare them all against each other. > HER ANSWER: Thank you again for your letter. The information that I gave > you about genetic distance came to me directly from a DNA expert at FTDNA > and an anthropologist/college professor friend of mine whose work with the > ancient Inca civilizations is well known. I can assure you that both are > “serious researchers.” > > In the past, I have had opportunities to consider and reject GEDmatch in > other cases, and am afraid that we are not inclined to reconsider it. It > is a matter of ethics and personal privacy. > > MY REPLY: I do not care how great and famous your "experts" are, if you do > not use gedmatch you will never find your links to your relatives. > > There are three DNA testing discussion groups. > [email protected] > [email protected] > [email protected] > > Every regular member to each of these groups is on gedmatch because they > all know what I am trying to tell you that you need gedmatch to find your > relatives through chromosome matching. > > If you are so concerned about "privacy" then you should not have taken a > DNA test in the first place and you should not have joined FTDNA. > > HER ANSWER: I am reporting your continued harrassment to FTDNA and blocking > your emails. You have been given my answer. Live with it. > > > > I admit that I went too far but I did it because this was his ONLY MATCH. > > I think group members here have had similar experienced. > > Sam Sloan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sam, Sometimes we forget that it was just as hard to get responses from people using just surnames. Or they would want all our information and never share and would disappear. Janet On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Sam Sloan <[email protected]> wrote: > I am having a debate regarding gedmatch. I think many members of this group > have had similar problems. > > The problem starts because a close personal friend of mine is adopted. He > was born in Singapore. His adoption records show his father was a British > military officer stationed in Singapore. His mother was a Filipina, > probably a maid or a domestic servant. > > As he is a friend and knows nothing about DNA testing I paid for his Family > Finder test. > > The results came back with a lot of Philippines matches but very few > British matches. > > A friend of his convinced him to take the Y-DNA37 test. > > The result just came back showing only one Y-DNA37 match who is also on > Family Finder. > > I fear his money will be wasted on the Y-DNA37 test so I wrote to his one > match asking this person to join gedmatch. > > This resulted in a heated exchange. This person said he would not join > gedmatch. This person wrote back: “In the past, I have had opportunities to > consider and reject GEDmatch in other cases, and am afraid that we are not > inclined to reconsider it. It is a matter of ethics and personal privacy.” > > I replied: “If you are so concerned about "privacy" then you should not > have taken a DNA test in the first place and you should not have joined > FTDNA.” > > He replied back that he is reporting me and blocking me. > > I admit that perhaps I was too strident and I should have been more polite, > but this is the result of frustration with people who are pigheaded and > stupid. > > What concerns me is she says she is in contact with people who are high > authorities on DNA testing so this leads me to wonder whether there are > some high people in the background who are telling people not to join > gedmatch because of “matters of ethics and personal privacy.” > > Here is the email exchange: > > ME: I see you are a Y-DNA relative of Arnout. You are also in Family > Finder. > > Do you have a gedmatch number. If you do, can you provide it so we can > calculate how we are related. > > Arnout is on Family Tree DNA at 431192 > > ANSWER: My name is Letha Chunn, and I’m a cousin of Michael’s and manage > his DNA testing. No, we do not have any connection with GedMatch, and are > not likely to. We also show no match to Arnout in our Family Finder > testing. His name simply does not exist there. That is likely because > your Y-DNA match shows a genetic distance of 4. In other words, the > likelihood of a common ancestor for you and Michael at 4 generations is > only 11.7%. At 8 generations, it is only 46.37%. The rule of thumb in > assessing Y-DNA matches is that one doesn’t pay attention to any that have > less than a genetic distance of two because you will never find a common > ancestor. The matches to pursue are those in the 0-2 genetic distance > range. That having been said, we are having great difficulty finding a DNA > match on Y-DNA in the 0-2 range. In fact, we have no matches there. Even > your match shows that Arnout is from haplogroup R-M198 and Michael is from > haplogroup R-M512. Our surnames are different as well. Have you joined > any groups? Our Bishop line is from Maryland, and we have Michael in the > Maryland and Bishop Projects. His DNA is listed on those two sites. I > don’t know if you would qualify for membership if your family is not from > Maryland and your surname isn’t Bishop. > > MY REPLY: I disagree. I can almost always find the link as long as the > person is 4.0 or closer away. This is probably because I have working on it > for a long time and I have a full family tree. I do not have anybody 2.0 > for less except for close relatives where I paid for them to be tested. If > I took your standard I would never have gotten off the ground. > > Arnout was adopted. He was born in Singapore. His adoption records only > show that his father was British military stationed in Singapore and his > mother was a Filipina, probably a maid or a domestic servant. > > Arnout just got his Y-DNA results back an you are his only link that is > also on Family Finder. > > We would greatly appreciate it if you would join gedmatch because you are > his only chance of finding his father through Y-DNA testing. > All serious DNA genealogy researchers use gedmatch because gedmatch > combines results from all of the DNA testing services and puts them in one > place so you can compare them all against each other. > HER ANSWER: Thank you again for your letter. The information that I gave > you about genetic distance came to me directly from a DNA expert at FTDNA > and an anthropologist/college professor friend of mine whose work with the > ancient Inca civilizations is well known. I can assure you that both are > “serious researchers.” > > In the past, I have had opportunities to consider and reject GEDmatch in > other cases, and am afraid that we are not inclined to reconsider it. It > is a matter of ethics and personal privacy. > > MY REPLY: I do not care how great and famous your "experts" are, if you do > not use gedmatch you will never find your links to your relatives. > > There are three DNA testing discussion groups. > [email protected] > [email protected] > [email protected] > > Every regular member to each of these groups is on gedmatch because they > all know what I am trying to tell you that you need gedmatch to find your > relatives through chromosome matching. > > If you are so concerned about "privacy" then you should not have taken a > DNA test in the first place and you should not have joined FTDNA. > > HER ANSWER: I am reporting your continued harrassment to FTDNA and blocking > your emails. You have been given my answer. Live with it. > > > > I admit that I went too far but I did it because this was his ONLY MATCH. > > I think group members here have had similar experienced. > > Sam Sloan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message