I'm getting closer to having a fully properly phased FamilyFinder file of myself. I realized that the best way to upload this is as a file with two real, phased, people as the two chromosomes. One file has my paternal half as one, and another phased person as the othe one. The other file has my maternal half and the exact same set of chromosomes as tghe other half. I could of course and its trivial, use HUGO. But "he"d likely match people similar to me. Better to have a highly different person .. Chinese, sub--Saharan, or Native American. I need to find a phased Family Finder file. I have lots of phased old HGDP files that I can use. BUT ... they have strand errors so I can't use them. I went looking on the web for suitable files. E.G. 1000 genomes. But I find nothing described as phased and Build 37. There has to be a suitable file out there somewhere! I have lots of real Family Finder files of people who are half Chinese-half Afro, or half Euro-half Afro and my own phaser does those wonderfully .... but they are no usable due of course to the privacy of the owners. Anybody know where? Doug McDonald

What is your goal? You can upload your phased files to GEDmatch as homozygous genotypes (retaining SNPs that can't be phased as heterozygous genotypes). Some years ago I uploaded such a file to Family Finder, but they seem to have instituted some validation checks and the last one I tried didn't work. Ann Turner On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 1:53 PM McDonald, J Douglas <jdmcdona@illinois.edu> wrote: > I'm getting closer to having a fully properly phased FamilyFinder file of > myself. > > I realized that the best way to upload this is as a file with two real, > phased, > people as the two chromosomes. One file has my paternal half as one, and > another > phased person as the othe one. The other file has my maternal half and the > exact same set of chromosomes > as tghe other half. > > I could of course and its trivial, use HUGO. But "he"d likely match people > similar to me. Better to have > a highly different person .. Chinese, sub--Saharan, or Native American. I > need to find a phased > Family Finder file. I have lots of phased old HGDP files that I can use. > BUT ... they have strand errors > so I can't use them. I went looking on the web for suitable files. E.G. > 1000 genomes. But I find nothing described as > phased and Build 37. There has to be a suitable file out there somewhere! > I have lots of real Family Finder files of people who are half > Chinese-half Afro, or half Euro-half Afro and > my own phaser does those wonderfully .... but they are no usable due of > course to the privacy of the > owners. > > Anybody know where? > > Doug McDonald > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

My goal is to get rid of bogus matches and to tell paternal from maternal. Gedmatch and MyHeritage work with what I have now. FTDNA upoloads and checks but fails to process. The file is perfect apparent format, down to having the right \r vs\n set of line ends. What could discombobulate FTDNA is the long runs of homozygosity or possibly that they expect a convention for allele order (e.g. they always expect say TC and never CT). The latter can of course be fixed, but homozygosity, only by the fake person method. Doug McDonald ________________________________ From: Ann Turner <dnacousins@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2018 4:44 PM To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List Subject: [DNA] Re: finding a phased FTDNA Family Finder file that is African, Chinese, or NaI'm getting closeer to havingtive American What is your goal? You can upload your phased files to GEDmatch as homozygous genotypes (retaining SNPs that can't be phased as heterozygous genotypes). Some years ago I uploaded such a file to Family Finder, but they seem to have instituted some validation checks and the last one I tried didn't work. Ann Turner ur loyal RootsWeb community

FTDNA accepts 23andMe files where the alleles are always in alpha order, so that shouldn't be a problem. Have you copied the header information from a "legal" file? How about generating a random allele to make the genotype? It might be necessary to randomly pick one of the two specific alleles tested for a SNP. Ann Turner On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 4:55 PM McDonald, J Douglas <jdmcdona@illinois.edu> wrote: > My goal is to get rid of bogus matches and to tell paternal from maternal. > Gedmatch and MyHeritage work with what I have now. > > > FTDNA upoloads and checks but fails to process. The file is perfect > apparent format, down to > > having the right \r vs\n set of line ends. What could discombobulate > > FTDNA is the long runs of homozygosity or possibly that they > > expect a convention for allele order (e.g. they always expect say TC and > never CT). > > > The latter can of course be fixed, but homozygosity, only by the fake > person method. > > > Doug McDonald > > > ________________________________ > From: Ann Turner <dnacousins@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, December 7, 2018 4:44 PM > To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List > Subject: [DNA] Re: finding a phased FTDNA Family Finder file that is > African, Chinese, or NaI'm getting closeer to havingtive American > > What is your goal? You can upload your phased files to GEDmatch as > homozygous genotypes (retaining SNPs that can't be phased as heterozygous > genotypes). Some years ago I uploaded such a file to Family Finder, but > they seem to have instituted some validation checks and the last one I > tried didn't work. > > Ann Turner > ur loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

There's an incorrect assumption in this statement. It is possible for people to be related to you through both your paternal and maternal lines. But it is worth trying to make this distinction. Kind regards, Robert McDonald, J Douglas wrote: > My goal is to get rid of bogus matches and to tell paternal from maternal. Gedmatch and MyHeritage work with what I have now.

If that's the case, the same person will be listed for the kit with the paternal alleles and for a separate kit with the maternal alleles. The problem here is how to create a synthetic kit that will be acceptable to FTDNA. We don't know what kind of "sanity checks" FTDNA used when rejecting Doug's files, perhaps too much homozygosity. A typical file would have about 70% homozygous SNPs, so Doug needs to introduce some spurious heterozygous SNPs that would never generate a false match. Ann On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 1:07 PM Robert T Wyatt <robert.wyatt@gmail.com> wrote: > There's an incorrect assumption in this statement. It is possible for > people to be related to you through both your paternal and maternal lines. > > But it is worth trying to make this distinction. > > Kind regards, > Robert > > > McDonald, J Douglas wrote: > > My goal is to get rid of bogus matches and to tell paternal from > maternal. Gedmatch and MyHeritage work with what I have now. > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

What I'm going to do is introduce a well-phased "evil twin" that's the same in both paternal and maternal files. Identical matches in both could then be disregarded. As I said, HUGO is easiest but "he" is Euro. I will eventually find an Afro, Asian, or N.A. file that is phased and public, and can use that. Doug McDonald -----Original Message----- From: Ann Turner <dnacousins@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 4:52 PM To: robert.wyatt@gmail.com; DNA Genealogy Mailing List <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DNA] Re: finding a phased FTDNA Family Finder file that is African, Chinese, or NaI'm getting closeer to havingtive American If that's the case, the same person will be listed for the kit with the paternal alleles and for a separate kit with the maternal alleles. The problem here is how to create a synthetic kit that will be acceptable to FTDNA. We don't know what kind of "sanity checks" FTDNA used when rejecting Doug's files, perhaps too much homozygosity. A typical file would have about 70% homozygous SNPs, so Doug needs to introduce some spurious heterozygous SNPs that would never generate a false match. Ann On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 1:07 PM Robert T Wyatt <robert.wyatt@gmail.com> wrote: > There's an incorrect assumption in this statement. It is possible for > people to be related to you through both your paternal and maternal lines. > > But it is worth trying to make this distinction. > > Kind regards, > Robert > > > McDonald, J Douglas wrote: > > My goal is to get rid of bogus matches and to tell paternal from > maternal. Gedmatch and MyHeritage work with what I have now. > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community