But In Common With is only those who are share matches withIt doesn't look at the segments. In Common With, is the soft triangulation.  You can share match with two kits who match each other, on different segments.That's In Common With Also Pedigree can't be right, because in some cases we have no idea what the pedigree is, or who is ca-couples might be -----Original Message----- From: Richard Weiss <1navy.gator@gmail.com> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Cc: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2018 11:45 am Subject: Re: [DNA] Triangulation Proper terms are Segment Triangulation aka your Hard Uses “ICW” Pedigree Triangulation aka your Soft Uses “Shared” Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 7, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I wonder if my terminology is correct or I'm treading new territory. > I do "hard" triangulation and "soft" triangulation. > Hard is where three kits are all matching on the *same* segment.  In that case, if the CA-couple are known, I can assign that exact segment to that couple. > > Soft is where three kits all match each other pair-wise, just not on the same segment.I cannot assign the segments to the CA-couple because it's *just* possible that there are two or more distinct lines that are causing this triangulation to occur, unrelated to the three-way-shared tree > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

A match does not have to have a tree to be a shared match or ICW match The official definition for ICW is that the matches match each other (aka are shared) AND have overlapping segments. Shared matches may or may not have shared segments The two methods of working with matches are 1) pedigree Triangulation Matches must be shared. They do not have to have overlapping segments 2) segment Triangulation Matches must be shared. They MUST have overlapping segments You can cluster shared matches to help figure out the tree and common ancestors of matches that don’t have a tree. Cheers Richard Weiss DNAAdoption Team Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 7, 2018, at 11:46 AM, Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> wrote: > > But In Common With is only those who are share matches with > It doesn't look at the segments. > > In Common With, is the soft triangulation. You can share match with two kits who match each other, on different segments. > That's In Common With > > > Also Pedigree can't be right, because in some cases we have no idea what the pedigree is, or who is ca-couples might be > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Weiss <1navy.gator@gmail.com> > To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Cc: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> > Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2018 11:45 am > Subject: Re: [DNA] Triangulation > > Proper terms are > > Segment Triangulation aka your Hard > Uses “ICW” > > Pedigree Triangulation aka your Soft > Uses “Shared” > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 7, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > I wonder if my terminology is correct or I'm treading new territory. > > I do "hard" triangulation and "soft" triangulation. > > Hard is where three kits are all matching on the *same* segment. In that case, if the CA-couple are known, I can assign that exact segment to that couple. > > > > Soft is where three kits all match each other pair-wise, just not on the same segment.I cannot assign the segments to the CA-couple because it's *just* possible that there are two or more distinct lines that are causing this triangulation to occur, unrelated to the three-way-shared tree > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community