Was intrigued by Andreas West’s survey of Gedmatch users. But I hope that DNA won’t be limited in it’s use and suspect it will not. Most gedmatch users who objected appear to have voted with their feet and they were reportedly a minority. I received an email from the DNA doe project that I shared 15 cM with an unidentified 1971 murder victim and would I share my tree? A sheriff’s office wanted to reunite the victim to her nearer family. I think DNA is a wonderful tool and I would hate to see it’s utility limited. ________________________________ From: genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com <genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: November 25, 2018 9:05:21 AM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: GENEALOGY-DNA Digest, Vol 13, Issue 508 Send GENEALOGY-DNA mailing list submissions to genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body subscribe to genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and body unsubscribe to genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at genealogy-dna-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of GENEALOGY-DNA digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Linking DNA (Wjhonson) 2. Re: Which Haplogroup (Wjhonson) 3. Use of familial search by law enforcement (Andreas West) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 16:16:26 +0000 (UTC) From: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA To: ahnen@awest.de Cc: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <300807910.2274094.1543162586857@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 As you can see it’s not possible to deny that law enforcement uses these same apps You cannot tell which kits are from living people and which are from crime scenes Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Saturday, November 24, 2018, Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> wrote: I did run a survey with the 900 followers of our app’s Facebook page and asked them if they want that we explicitly DENY law enforcements to use our app by uploading DNA data that was found at a crime scene. 2/3 of the answers were “Yes”, 1/3 was a “No”. This seems to support what you wrote below, Joan. While I want that those who did these rape’s & murder’s to be properly prosecuted, we will follow the majority vote and not allow the said practice that law enforcements have used to identify now more than 14 (or more) suspects. Please do note that despite how most media calls them, they are “suspects” and suppose to be innocent until proven otherwise. Unfortunately, most media doesn’t use such terms (the term “Golden State Killer” sells more clicks than “suspect in the Golden State Killer case" and it’s questionable if they ever get a fair trial as their DNA was found at the crime scene. To my knowledge, not a single one is currently prosecuted which seems to indicated that things aren’t as easy as getting a DNA match. Our app is for the purpose of finding close relatives and ancestors to those who seek them for either: a) their genealogy hobby b) to identify their birth parent(s) or birth parents of close relatives Andreas Andreas West Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 <http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5> Author of https://www.yourDNA.family <https://www.yourdna.family/> Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - <https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/>https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/ <https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/> > On Nov25, 2018, at 05:53, Joan Lince <joanklince@earthlink.net> wrote: > > I think the reason many people resist copying over to GEDmatch is that it doesn't have the privacy protection that most of the vendors have. > > Joan _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 16:17:22 +0000 (UTC) From: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> Subject: [DNA] Re: Which Haplogroup To: familypast@gmail.com Cc: GENEALOGY-DNA@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1060355656.2266316.1543162642510@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 And what does your autosomal dna say ? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Sunday, November 25, 2018, David Gough <familypast@gmail.com> wrote: A few years ago I was designated as belonging to the L371 ychromosome haplogroup. Known commonly as Ancient Welsh. My surname is of Welsh origin, most of my matches have Welsh surnames or geographical connections with that country. Although I have no known personal family history of a connection with Wales. Now I have recently tested with LivingDNA. And they now designate me as being L-1065, associated with Scottish origins, I do have known family connections with Scotland. So what the heck am I really? *David* _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 01:05:09 +0800 From: Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> Subject: [DNA] Use of familial search by law enforcement To: <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <2F1D7DE8-9BD7-4C52-8B66-C484DDAF7D1F@awest.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 True, but the terms and conditions explicitly don’t allow them to use our app or rather more specifically upload data that is not their own. I had some beta testers express their dissatisfaction about how we check this and why we do it but that’s exactly the reason why. Right now it’s anyway not a problem as we work with 23andMe only and within the limits defined in 23andMe. As long as we don’t calculate matches based on raw DNA data there is nothing that the law enforcement could use our app for anyway. Andreas Andreas West Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 Author of https://www.yourDNA.family Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/ > On 26 Nov 2018, at 00:16, Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> wrote: > > As you can see it’s not possible to deny that law enforcement uses these same apps > > You cannot tell which kits are from living people and which are from crime scenes > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Saturday, November 24, 2018, Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> wrote: > > I did run a survey with the 900 followers of our app’s Facebook page and asked them if they want that we explicitly DENY law enforcements to use our app by uploading DNA data that was found at a crime scene. 2/3 of the answers were “Yes”, 1/3 was a “No”. This seems to support what you wrote below, Joan. > > While I want that those who did these rape’s & murder’s to be properly prosecuted, we will follow the majority vote and not allow the said practice that law enforcements have used to identify now more than 14 (or more) suspects. > > Please do note that despite how most media calls them, they are “suspects” and suppose to be innocent until proven otherwise. Unfortunately, most media doesn’t use such terms (the term “Golden State Killer” sells more clicks than “suspect in the Golden State Killer case" and it’s questionable if they ever get a fair trial as their DNA was found at the crime scene. To my knowledge, not a single one is currently prosecuted which seems to indicated that things aren’t as easy as getting a DNA match. > > Our app is for the purpose of finding close relatives and ancestors to those who seek them for either: > > a) their genealogy hobby > > b) to identify their birth parent(s) or birth parents of close relatives > > > Andreas ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the %(real_name)s list administrator, send an email to %(real_name)s-admin@rootsweb.com. 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