Yet you are The effect of your attitude is to do exactly that ... protect murderers and rapists  In addition to that only logical meaning Your effect is completely worthless as a cops first reaction to your terms of service would be ... screw you  Good luck suing them once they have found a murderer using your database No judge would rule in your favor  Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Sunday, November 25, 2018, Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> wrote: We’re not protecting murderers and it’s also not our task to apprehend them. We’re not an extension of the law enforcement.  There are more than 30 million DNA samples kept by the US government organizations right now. One would think that is enough to not be dependent on another database that was never intended to be built for law enforcement use. Andreas  Andreas WestMeine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 Author of https://www.yourDNA.family  Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/ On 26 Nov 2018, at 01:06, Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> wrote: So your intent is to protect murderersThat seems good to you ? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Sunday, November 25, 2018, Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> wrote: True, but the terms and conditions explicitly don’t allow them to use our app or rather more specifically upload data that is not their own. I had some beta testers express their dissatisfaction about how we check this and why we do it but that’s exactly the reason why. Right now it’s anyway not a problem as we work with 23andMe only and within the limits defined in 23andMe. As long as we don’t calculate matches based on raw DNA data there is nothing that the law enforcement could use our app for anyway. Andreas Andreas West Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 Author of https://www.yourDNA.family Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/ > On 26 Nov 2018, at 00:16, Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> wrote: > > As you can see it’s not possible to deny that law enforcement uses these same apps > > You cannot tell which kits are from living people and which are from crime scenes > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Saturday, November 24, 2018, Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> wrote: > > I did run a survey with the 900 followers of our app’s Facebook page and asked them if they want that we explicitly DENY law enforcements to use our app by uploading DNA data that was found at a crime scene. 2/3 of the answers were “Yes”, 1/3 was a “No”. This seems to support what you wrote below, Joan. > > While I want that those who did these rape’s & murder’s to be properly prosecuted, we will follow the majority vote and not allow the said practice that law enforcements have used to identify now more than 14 (or more) suspects. > > Please do note that despite how most media calls them, they are “suspects” and suppose to be innocent until proven otherwise. Unfortunately, most media doesn’t use such terms (the term “Golden State Killer” sells more clicks than “suspect in the Golden State Killer case" and it’s questionable if they ever get a fair trial as their DNA was found at the crime scene. To my knowledge, not a single one is currently prosecuted which seems to indicated that things aren’t as easy as getting a DNA match. > > Our app is for the purpose of finding close relatives and ancestors to those who seek them for either: > > a) their genealogy hobby > > b) to identify their birth parent(s) or birth parents of close relatives > > > Andreas _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community