When I first got into DNA I ordered a sort of full suite of tests from FTDNA, including what is described in my account as mtDNA Plus. Maybe if I'd known more at the time, as a bloke I may not have ordered mtDNA at all, although my mother and grandmother are dead and I have no sisters. But, FTDNA tell me I can upgrade to mtDNA Full Sequence. And so, I was attracted to this thread out of curiosity. At $159 it does not come across as cheap. From somewhere (can't remember - doesn't seem to show in FTDNA), my mtDNA haplogroup is J2a1a1c. Does this tell me anything? Bill

mtDNA is not about the sex of the person taking the test. All humans have mtDNA. They inherit it from their mothers that's true, but all human have mtDNA The Haplogroup tells you about the ancient ancestry of your strictly maternal line - mother's mother's mother's mother's mother.... It's not completely useless as it by itself can show or deny evidence that, for example, your mother's sister's daughter is really who your tree says she is. If her haplogroup is totally different, then you're not related that way at all. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Webster <wbwebster@internode.on.net> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 25, 2018 4:03 pm Subject: [DNA] Re: What does Full Sequence from Family Tree DNA mean? When I first got into DNA I ordered a sort of full suite of tests from FTDNA, including what is described in my account as mtDNA Plus. Maybe if I'd known more at the time, as a bloke I may not have ordered mtDNA at all, although my mother and grandmother are dead and I have no sisters. But, FTDNA tell me I can upgrade to mtDNA Full Sequence. And so, I was attracted to this thread out of curiosity. At $159 it does not come across as cheap. From somewhere (can't remember - doesn't seem to show in FTDNA), my mtDNA haplogroup is J2a1a1c. Does this tell me anything? Bill _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Your J2a1a1c label may have come from a company that includes some mtDNA information -- 23andMe, LivingDNA, some versions of the Genographic Project. These all test a few thousand selected SNPs. The full sequence from FTDNA might take you another level down and/or reveal some "extra" mutations (ones not used to define a haplogroup). It might also show that some of your HVR1/HVR2 matches drop out, or you may gain some matches that differ at a few positions. Whether that knowledge is worth it to you depends on your level of interest in your straight maternal line. Ann Turner On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 4:04 PM Bill Webster <wbwebster@internode.on.net> wrote: > When I first got into DNA I ordered a sort of full suite of tests from > FTDNA, including what is described in my account as mtDNA Plus. Maybe if > I'd known more at the time, as a bloke I may not have ordered mtDNA at all, > although my mother and grandmother are dead and I have no sisters. > But, FTDNA tell me I can upgrade to mtDNA Full Sequence. And so, I was > attracted to this thread out of curiosity. At $159 it does not come across > as cheap. > From somewhere (can't remember - doesn't seem to show in FTDNA), my mtDNA > haplogroup is J2a1a1c. > Does this tell me anything? > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Mitochondrial DNA consists of three parts: Hyper Variable Region 1 (HVR 1) Hyper Variable Region 1 (HVR 2) Control Region (CR) There are three tests you can order.  The least expensive test, just covers HVR1, and gives you a general idea of what your mtDNA haplogroup is.  The next test, price wise, is mtDNA Plus and covers HVR1 & 2.  It gives you a little more information about your mtDNA haplogroup.  The most expensive mtDNA test, the Full Mitochondrial Sequence is roughly equivalent to the Big Y, only for mtDNA. mtDNA testing is only minimally useful for genealogy, in my opinion, because a woman's surname changes every generation, and it can be difficult to track the relationships back in time.  The most common mt haplogroup for men and women from Western Europe and Britain is H.  If you are in the H mtDNA haplogroup, you might get lots of matches, but your common ancestor could have lived 40,000 or more years ago, so that is not much help. I first tested mtDNA Plus.  For two or three years, I had no matches.  I upgraded to FMS an after about10 years or so, got 1 match with a GD of 3, which Ian speculates our common ancestor lived about 10,000 years ago. I uploaded my mt genome to GenBank about 10 years ago, and to my delight it was unique and became one of the defining genomes for my haplogroup, V3c, in Va Oven's mtDNA Phyloganetic Tree.  I still have one unmatched mutation, in the CR, so have the future opportunity to move down one more step in the chart. My test result is very interesting in that the V haplogroup only appears in about 4% of the population of Western Europe, and almost nowhere else.  It is mostly associated with the Basques of Iberia, and the Saami Tribe of Finland.  For me, the cost of the test was worth what I learned.  If you are in the mt haplogroup H, it might not be so exciting. This is the last test I recommend to my project members, and only if their pockets are VERY deep.  If it is not a strain on your pocket book, like Ian, I encourage everyone to do at least one FMS, just so the GenBank data base can become more complete. Marleen Van Horne

Bill You have already had the FGS test at FTDNA ! This is a copy of your GEDmatch entry: T436920     J2a1a1c    *Bill Webster wbwebster@internode.on.net 'J2a1a1c' is small 'twig' in branch J; and FTDNA reports that it has found 22 sequences (1 of which will be yours). On the GenBank database there are 3 sequences (all from FTDNA customers prior to 2012, so again one of these might be yours) Also, there are 19 (and perhaps more) people on GEDmatch who say they are in this Haplogroup. (My list only looks at 170,000+ entries) The defining mutations for 'J2a1a1c' are: A8008G & G15596A. A8008G is found in 10 GenBank sequences (out of 45,000+) and is a non-synonymous mutation. G15596A is found in 75 GenBank sequences and is a definer in Haplogroups L0d2b1a1a  &  U5a1b1f This mutation makes the changes MT-CYB  V284I  and is presumably insignificant. The only other thing to say is that the Haplogroup appears to have been 'Scandinavian' for several thousands of yours; but before that I expect the Haplogroup would have been found southeast of there, in countries such as Armenia, Georgia, Turkey, etc. Ian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On 26/10/2018 00:01, Bill Webster wrote: > When I first got into DNA I ordered a sort of full suite of tests from > FTDNA, including what is described in my account as mtDNA Plus. Maybe if > I'd known more at the time, as a bloke I may not have ordered mtDNA at all, > although my mother and grandmother are dead and I have no sisters. > But, FTDNA tell me I can upgrade to mtDNA Full Sequence. And so, I was > attracted to this thread out of curiosity. At $159 it does not come across > as cheap. > >From somewhere (can't remember - doesn't seem to show in FTDNA), my mtDNA > haplogroup is J2a1a1c. > Does this tell me anything? > Bill

Bill manually entered the haplogroup at GEDmatch. If he had the complete test at FTDNA, he should see a "badge" for J2a1a1c in the upper right-hand corner of his home page and he should see "mtFull Sequence" in his order history. He should not see an offer to upgrade. Ann Turner On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:18 AM Ian Logan via GENEALOGY-DNA < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Bill > > You have already had the FGS test at FTDNA ! > > This is a copy of your GEDmatch entry: > > T436920 J2a1a1c *Bill Webster wbwebster@internode.on.net > > 'J2a1a1c' is small 'twig' in branch J; > and FTDNA reports that it has found 22 sequences (1 of which will be > yours). > > On the GenBank database there are 3 sequences > (all from FTDNA customers prior to 2012, so again one of these might be > yours) > > Also, there are 19 (and perhaps more) people on GEDmatch who say they > are in this Haplogroup. (My list only looks at 170,000+ entries) > > The defining mutations for 'J2a1a1c' are: A8008G & G15596A. > > A8008G is found in 10 GenBank sequences (out of 45,000+) > and is a non-synonymous mutation. > > G15596A is found in 75 GenBank sequences > and is a definer in Haplogroups L0d2b1a1a & U5a1b1f > This mutation makes the changes MT-CYB V284I and is presumably > insignificant. > > The only other thing to say is that the Haplogroup appears to have been > 'Scandinavian' > for several thousands of yours; but before that I expect the Haplogroup > would have > been found southeast of there, in countries such as Armenia, Georgia, > Turkey, etc. > > Ian > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > On 26/10/2018 00:01, Bill Webster wrote: > > When I first got into DNA I ordered a sort of full suite of tests from > > FTDNA, including what is described in my account as mtDNA Plus. Maybe if > > I'd known more at the time, as a bloke I may not have ordered mtDNA at > all, > > although my mother and grandmother are dead and I have no sisters. > > But, FTDNA tell me I can upgrade to mtDNA Full Sequence. And so, I was > > attracted to this thread out of curiosity. At $159 it does not come > across > > as cheap. > > >From somewhere (can't remember - doesn't seem to show in FTDNA), my > mtDNA > > haplogroup is J2a1a1c. > > Does this tell me anything? > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Ann and Ian, yes that would be right: I'd have manually entered that information at Gedmatch. And I only have a home page badge showing "J". And so, I am wondering how I came by the fuller haplotree. When I did the test at FTDNA, might mtDNA Plus have been the highest level offered at that time? I uploaded my test back in 2010. In any event, when I now download a CSV of my HSV 1 and 2 matches, the spreadsheet shows the larger Haplogroup format for all 78 of them. I am attempting to send you each that file. Many thanks to everyone's help. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Ann Turner [mailto:dnacousins@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 26 October 2018 8:39 PM To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List Subject: [DNA] Re: What does Full Sequence from Family Tree DNA mean? Bill manually entered the haplogroup at GEDmatch. If he had the complete test at FTDNA, he should see a "badge" for J2a1a1c in the upper right-hand corner of his home page and he should see "mtFull Sequence" in his order history. He should not see an offer to upgrade. Ann Turner On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:18 AM Ian Logan via GENEALOGY-DNA < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Bill > > You have already had the FGS test at FTDNA ! > > This is a copy of your GEDmatch entry: > > T436920 J2a1a1c *Bill Webster wbwebster@internode.on.net > > 'J2a1a1c' is small 'twig' in branch J; > and FTDNA reports that it has found 22 sequences (1 of which will be > yours). > > On the GenBank database there are 3 sequences > (all from FTDNA customers prior to 2012, so again one of these might be > yours) > > Also, there are 19 (and perhaps more) people on GEDmatch who say they > are in this Haplogroup. (My list only looks at 170,000+ entries) > > The defining mutations for 'J2a1a1c' are: A8008G & G15596A. > > A8008G is found in 10 GenBank sequences (out of 45,000+) > and is a non-synonymous mutation. > > G15596A is found in 75 GenBank sequences > and is a definer in Haplogroups L0d2b1a1a & U5a1b1f > This mutation makes the changes MT-CYB V284I and is presumably > insignificant. > > The only other thing to say is that the Haplogroup appears to have been > 'Scandinavian' > for several thousands of yours; but before that I expect the Haplogroup > would have > been found southeast of there, in countries such as Armenia, Georgia, > Turkey, etc. > > Ian > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > On 26/10/2018 00:01, Bill Webster wrote: > > When I first got into DNA I ordered a sort of full suite of tests from > > FTDNA, including what is described in my account as mtDNA Plus. Maybe if > > I'd known more at the time, as a bloke I may not have ordered mtDNA at > all, > > although my mother and grandmother are dead and I have no sisters. > > But, FTDNA tell me I can upgrade to mtDNA Full Sequence. And so, I was > > attracted to this thread out of curiosity. At $159 it does not come > across > > as cheap. > > >From somewhere (can't remember - doesn't seem to show in FTDNA), my > mtDNA > > haplogroup is J2a1a1c. > > Does this tell me anything? > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I received Bill's HVR1/HVR2 match list. He has 78 total; 29 of those are just plain J, so they have not taken the full test either. The remainder are J1a1a1 or a subclade of that. That's pretty strong circumstantial evidence that he would also be at least J1a1a1 if he did the full test. But .. there is a catch. J1a doesn't show up on the most recent phylogenetic tree at http://phylotree.org or at FTDNA's recent tree https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mt-dna-haplotree/J;name=J1. Is this a recent download, Bill? Ann Turner On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 4:59 PM Bill Webster <wbwebster@internode.on.net> wrote: > Ann and Ian, yes that would be right: I'd have manually entered that > information at Gedmatch. And I only have a home page badge showing "J". > And so, I am wondering how I came by the fuller haplotree. When I did the > test at FTDNA, might mtDNA Plus have been the highest level offered at that > time? I uploaded my test back in 2010. > In any event, when I now download a CSV of my HSV 1 and 2 matches, the > spreadsheet shows the larger Haplogroup format for all 78 of them. I am > attempting to send you each that file. > Many thanks to everyone's help. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ann Turner [mailto:dnacousins@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, 26 October 2018 8:39 PM > To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List > Subject: [DNA] Re: What does Full Sequence from Family Tree DNA mean? > > Bill manually entered the haplogroup at GEDmatch. If he had the complete > test at FTDNA, he should see a "badge" for J2a1a1c in the upper right-hand > corner of his home page and he should see "mtFull Sequence" in his order > history. He should not see an offer to upgrade. > > Ann Turner > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:18 AM Ian Logan via GENEALOGY-DNA < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Bill > > > > You have already had the FGS test at FTDNA ! > > > > This is a copy of your GEDmatch entry: > > > > T436920 J2a1a1c *Bill Webster wbwebster@internode.on.net > > > > 'J2a1a1c' is small 'twig' in branch J; > > and FTDNA reports that it has found 22 sequences (1 of which will be > > yours). > > > > On the GenBank database there are 3 sequences > > (all from FTDNA customers prior to 2012, so again one of these might be > > yours) > > > > Also, there are 19 (and perhaps more) people on GEDmatch who say they > > are in this Haplogroup. (My list only looks at 170,000+ entries) > > > > The defining mutations for 'J2a1a1c' are: A8008G & G15596A. > > > > A8008G is found in 10 GenBank sequences (out of 45,000+) > > and is a non-synonymous mutation. > > > > G15596A is found in 75 GenBank sequences > > and is a definer in Haplogroups L0d2b1a1a & U5a1b1f > > This mutation makes the changes MT-CYB V284I and is presumably > > insignificant. > > > > The only other thing to say is that the Haplogroup appears to have been > > 'Scandinavian' > > for several thousands of yours; but before that I expect the Haplogroup > > would have > > been found southeast of there, in countries such as Armenia, Georgia, > > Turkey, etc. > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > On 26/10/2018 00:01, Bill Webster wrote: > > > When I first got into DNA I ordered a sort of full suite of tests from > > > FTDNA, including what is described in my account as mtDNA Plus. Maybe > if > > > I'd known more at the time, as a bloke I may not have ordered mtDNA at > > all, > > > although my mother and grandmother are dead and I have no sisters. > > > But, FTDNA tell me I can upgrade to mtDNA Full Sequence. And so, I was > > > attracted to this thread out of curiosity. At $159 it does not come > > across > > > as cheap. > > > >From somewhere (can't remember - doesn't seem to show in FTDNA), my > > mtDNA > > > haplogroup is J2a1a1c. > > > Does this tell me anything? > > > Bill > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > community > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Today Ann ⁣Sent from Blue ​ On 27 Oct. 2018, 2:29 pm, at 2:29 pm, Ann Turner <dnacousins@gmail.com> wrote: >I received Bill's HVR1/HVR2 match list. He has 78 total; 29 of those >are >just plain J, so they have not taken the full test either. The >remainder >are J1a1a1 or a subclade of that. That's pretty strong circumstantial >evidence that he would also be at least J1a1a1 if he did the full test. >But >.. there is a catch. J1a doesn't show up on the most recent >phylogenetic >tree at http://phylotree.org or at FTDNA's recent tree >https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mt-dna-haplotree/J;name=J1. > >Is this a recent download, Bill? > >Ann Turner > > > >On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 4:59 PM Bill Webster ><wbwebster@internode.on.net> >wrote: > >> Ann and Ian, yes that would be right: I'd have manually entered that >> information at Gedmatch. And I only have a home page badge showing >"J". >> And so, I am wondering how I came by the fuller haplotree. When I >did the >> test at FTDNA, might mtDNA Plus have been the highest level offered >at that >> time? I uploaded my test back in 2010. >> In any event, when I now download a CSV of my HSV 1 and 2 matches, >the >> spreadsheet shows the larger Haplogroup format for all 78 of them. I >am >> attempting to send you each that file. >> Many thanks to everyone's help. >> Bill >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ann Turner [mailto:dnacousins@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, 26 October 2018 8:39 PM >> To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List >> Subject: [DNA] Re: What does Full Sequence from Family Tree DNA mean? >> >> Bill manually entered the haplogroup at GEDmatch. If he had the >complete >> test at FTDNA, he should see a "badge" for J2a1a1c in the upper >right-hand >> corner of his home page and he should see "mtFull Sequence" in his >order >> history. He should not see an offer to upgrade. >> >> Ann Turner >> >> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:18 AM Ian Logan via GENEALOGY-DNA < >> genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> > Bill >> > >> > You have already had the FGS test at FTDNA ! >> > >> > This is a copy of your GEDmatch entry: >> > >> > T436920 J2a1a1c *Bill Webster wbwebster@internode.on.net >> > >> > 'J2a1a1c' is small 'twig' in branch J; >> > and FTDNA reports that it has found 22 sequences (1 of which will >be >> > yours). >> > >> > On the GenBank database there are 3 sequences >> > (all from FTDNA customers prior to 2012, so again one of these >might be >> > yours) >> > >> > Also, there are 19 (and perhaps more) people on GEDmatch who say >they >> > are in this Haplogroup. (My list only looks at 170,000+ entries) >> > >> > The defining mutations for 'J2a1a1c' are: A8008G & G15596A. >> > >> > A8008G is found in 10 GenBank sequences (out of 45,000+) >> > and is a non-synonymous mutation. >> > >> > G15596A is found in 75 GenBank sequences >> > and is a definer in Haplogroups L0d2b1a1a & U5a1b1f >> > This mutation makes the changes MT-CYB V284I and is presumably >> > insignificant. >> > >> > The only other thing to say is that the Haplogroup appears to have >been >> > 'Scandinavian' >> > for several thousands of yours; but before that I expect the >Haplogroup >> > would have >> > been found southeast of there, in countries such as Armenia, >Georgia, >> > Turkey, etc. >> > >> > Ian >> > >> > >> > >> >> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> > On 26/10/2018 00:01, Bill Webster wrote: >> > > When I first got into DNA I ordered a sort of full suite of tests >from >> > > FTDNA, including what is described in my account as mtDNA Plus. >Maybe >> if >> > > I'd known more at the time, as a bloke I may not have ordered >mtDNA at >> > all, >> > > although my mother and grandmother are dead and I have no >sisters. >> > > But, FTDNA tell me I can upgrade to mtDNA Full Sequence. And so, >I was >> > > attracted to this thread out of curiosity. At $159 it does not >come >> > across >> > > as cheap. >> > > >From somewhere (can't remember - doesn't seem to show in FTDNA), >my >> > mtDNA >> > > haplogroup is J2a1a1c. >> > > Does this tell me anything? >> > > Bill >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> > Unsubscribe >> > >https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and >Conditions: >> > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >RootsWeb >> > community >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >RootsWeb >> community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >RootsWeb >> community >> > >_______________________________________________ >Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >Unsubscribe >https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >community

Well, I'm puzzled then. Maybe someone who knows more about J1a can comment on what I'm missing. Ann Turner On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 8:50 PM Bill <wbwebster@internode.on.net> wrote: > Today Ann > > ⁣Sent from Blue ​ > > On 27 Oct. 2018, 2:29 pm, at 2:29 pm, Ann Turner <dnacousins@gmail.com> > wrote: > >I received Bill's HVR1/HVR2 match list. He has 78 total; 29 of those > >are > >just plain J, so they have not taken the full test either. The > >remainder > >are J1a1a1 or a subclade of that. That's pretty strong circumstantial > >evidence that he would also be at least J1a1a1 if he did the full test. > >But > >.. there is a catch. J1a doesn't show up on the most recent > >phylogenetic > >tree at http://phylotree.org or at FTDNA's recent tree > >https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mt-dna-haplotree/J;name=J1. > > > >Is this a recent download, Bill? > > > >Ann Turner > > > > > > > >On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 4:59 PM Bill Webster > ><wbwebster@internode.on.net> > >wrote: > > > >> Ann and Ian, yes that would be right: I'd have manually entered that > >> information at Gedmatch. And I only have a home page badge showing > >"J". > >> And so, I am wondering how I came by the fuller haplotree. When I > >did the > >> test at FTDNA, might mtDNA Plus have been the highest level offered > >at that > >> time? I uploaded my test back in 2010. > >> In any event, when I now download a CSV of my HSV 1 and 2 matches, > >the > >> spreadsheet shows the larger Haplogroup format for all 78 of them. I > >am > >> attempting to send you each that file. > >> Many thanks to everyone's help. > >> Bill > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Ann Turner [mailto:dnacousins@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Friday, 26 October 2018 8:39 PM > >> To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List > >> Subject: [DNA] Re: What does Full Sequence from Family Tree DNA mean? > >> > >> Bill manually entered the haplogroup at GEDmatch. If he had the > >complete > >> test at FTDNA, he should see a "badge" for J2a1a1c in the upper > >right-hand > >> corner of his home page and he should see "mtFull Sequence" in his > >order > >> history. He should not see an offer to upgrade. > >> > >> Ann Turner > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:18 AM Ian Logan via GENEALOGY-DNA < > >> genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> > >> > Bill > >> > > >> > You have already had the FGS test at FTDNA ! > >> > > >> > This is a copy of your GEDmatch entry: > >> > > >> > T436920 J2a1a1c *Bill Webster wbwebster@internode.on.net > >> > > >> > 'J2a1a1c' is small 'twig' in branch J; > >> > and FTDNA reports that it has found 22 sequences (1 of which will > >be > >> > yours). > >> > > >> > On the GenBank database there are 3 sequences > >> > (all from FTDNA customers prior to 2012, so again one of these > >might be > >> > yours) > >> > > >> > Also, there are 19 (and perhaps more) people on GEDmatch who say > >they > >> > are in this Haplogroup. (My list only looks at 170,000+ entries) > >> > > >> > The defining mutations for 'J2a1a1c' are: A8008G & G15596A. > >> > > >> > A8008G is found in 10 GenBank sequences (out of 45,000+) > >> > and is a non-synonymous mutation. > >> > > >> > G15596A is found in 75 GenBank sequences > >> > and is a definer in Haplogroups L0d2b1a1a & U5a1b1f > >> > This mutation makes the changes MT-CYB V284I and is presumably > >> > insignificant. > >> > > >> > The only other thing to say is that the Haplogroup appears to have > >been > >> > 'Scandinavian' > >> > for several thousands of yours; but before that I expect the > >Haplogroup > >> > would have > >> > been found southeast of there, in countries such as Armenia, > >Georgia, > >> > Turkey, etc. > >> > > >> > Ian > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> -- > >> > On 26/10/2018 00:01, Bill Webster wrote: > >> > > When I first got into DNA I ordered a sort of full suite of tests > >from > >> > > FTDNA, including what is described in my account as mtDNA Plus. > >Maybe > >> if > >> > > I'd known more at the time, as a bloke I may not have ordered > >mtDNA at > >> > all, > >> > > although my mother and grandmother are dead and I have no > >sisters. > >> > > But, FTDNA tell me I can upgrade to mtDNA Full Sequence. And so, > >I was > >> > > attracted to this thread out of curiosity. At $159 it does not > >come > >> > across > >> > > as cheap. > >> > > >From somewhere (can't remember - doesn't seem to show in FTDNA), > >my > >> > mtDNA > >> > > haplogroup is J2a1a1c. > >> > > Does this tell me anything? > >> > > Bill > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > >> > Unsubscribe > >> > > >https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > >> > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and > >Conditions: > >> > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >> > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >> > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > >RootsWeb > >> > community > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > >> Unsubscribe > >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > >RootsWeb > >> community > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > >> Unsubscribe > >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > >RootsWeb > >> community > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > >Unsubscribe > >https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > >Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > >https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > >community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

My error -- somehow I started looking at J1.. instead of J2.. Ann On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 8:29 PM Ann Turner <dnacousins@gmail.com> wrote: > I received Bill's HVR1/HVR2 match list. He has 78 total; 29 of those are > just plain J, so they have not taken the full test either. The remainder > are J1a1a1 or a subclade of that. That's pretty strong circumstantial > evidence that he would also be at least J1a1a1 if he did the full test. But > .. there is a catch. J1a doesn't show up on the most recent phylogenetic > tree at http://phylotree.org or at FTDNA's recent tree > https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mt-dna-haplotree/J;name=J1. > > Is this a recent download, Bill? > > Ann Turner > > > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 4:59 PM Bill Webster <wbwebster@internode.on.net> > wrote: > >> Ann and Ian, yes that would be right: I'd have manually entered that >> information at Gedmatch. And I only have a home page badge showing "J". >> And so, I am wondering how I came by the fuller haplotree. When I did >> the >> test at FTDNA, might mtDNA Plus have been the highest level offered at >> that >> time? I uploaded my test back in 2010. >> In any event, when I now download a CSV of my HSV 1 and 2 matches, the >> spreadsheet shows the larger Haplogroup format for all 78 of them. I am >> attempting to send you each that file. >> Many thanks to everyone's help. >> Bill >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ann Turner [mailto:dnacousins@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, 26 October 2018 8:39 PM >> To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List >> Subject: [DNA] Re: What does Full Sequence from Family Tree DNA mean? >> >> Bill manually entered the haplogroup at GEDmatch. If he had the complete >> test at FTDNA, he should see a "badge" for J2a1a1c in the upper >> right-hand >> corner of his home page and he should see "mtFull Sequence" in his order >> history. He should not see an offer to upgrade. >> >> Ann Turner >> >> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:18 AM Ian Logan via GENEALOGY-DNA < >> genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> > Bill >> > >> > You have already had the FGS test at FTDNA ! >> > >> > This is a copy of your GEDmatch entry: >> > >> > T436920 J2a1a1c *Bill Webster wbwebster@internode.on.net >> > >> > 'J2a1a1c' is small 'twig' in branch J; >> > and FTDNA reports that it has found 22 sequences (1 of which will be >> > yours). >> > >> > On the GenBank database there are 3 sequences >> > (all from FTDNA customers prior to 2012, so again one of these might be >> > yours) >> > >> > Also, there are 19 (and perhaps more) people on GEDmatch who say they >> > are in this Haplogroup. (My list only looks at 170,000+ entries) >> > >> > The defining mutations for 'J2a1a1c' are: A8008G & G15596A. >> > >> > A8008G is found in 10 GenBank sequences (out of 45,000+) >> > and is a non-synonymous mutation. >> > >> > G15596A is found in 75 GenBank sequences >> > and is a definer in Haplogroups L0d2b1a1a & U5a1b1f >> > This mutation makes the changes MT-CYB V284I and is presumably >> > insignificant. >> > >> > The only other thing to say is that the Haplogroup appears to have been >> > 'Scandinavian' >> > for several thousands of yours; but before that I expect the Haplogroup >> > would have >> > been found southeast of there, in countries such as Armenia, Georgia, >> > Turkey, etc. >> > >> > Ian >> > >> > >> > >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> > On 26/10/2018 00:01, Bill Webster wrote: >> > > When I first got into DNA I ordered a sort of full suite of tests from >> > > FTDNA, including what is described in my account as mtDNA Plus. Maybe >> if >> > > I'd known more at the time, as a bloke I may not have ordered mtDNA at >> > all, >> > > although my mother and grandmother are dead and I have no sisters. >> > > But, FTDNA tell me I can upgrade to mtDNA Full Sequence. And so, I >> was >> > > attracted to this thread out of curiosity. At $159 it does not come >> > across >> > > as cheap. >> > > >From somewhere (can't remember - doesn't seem to show in FTDNA), my >> > mtDNA >> > > haplogroup is J2a1a1c. >> > > Does this tell me anything? >> > > Bill >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> > Unsubscribe >> > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> > community >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >