Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody Today Elizabeth Warren released a report which she says is the result of a DNA test proving that she is part Native American. She took a test and released the report because for years Trump had been calling her “Pocahontas” by her claiming to be Native American. But Senator Warren did not take any of the commercially available DNA tests costing less than $99. Instead she took a home made test as interpreted by her self-appointed expert. One has to wonder why she went to the trouble to hire someone to give her a homemade test. Why not blow $99 and give us the results we can see and interpret? Millions of people have taken these DNA tests. There are three main testing companies: ftdna.com and 23andme.com and ancestry.com She should take one of those tests and also have one of her three brothers take the same test to establish it is really her and she should also upload the results to Gedmatch and then we and the world will be able to see if she is really part native American or not. The claim she made that Native Americans have not taken DNA tests because tribal leaders told them not to is also nonsense. One of my own step-sons is part Mexican and I gave him the test and his DNA matches with hundreds of Mexicans South of the Border down Mexico Way who have taken these tests. Did you know that Mexicans are native Americans? Did you know that these DNA tests all come from Utah where they have millions of Native Americans? Sam Sloan

Not all Mexicans are native americans -----Original Message----- From: Sam Sloan <samhsloan@gmail.com> To: DNA-NEWBIE <DNA-NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com>; DNAAdoption <DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2018 9:02 am Subject: [DNA] Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody Today Elizabeth Warren released a report which she says is the result of a DNA test proving that she is part Native American. She took a test and released the report because for years Trump had been calling her “Pocahontas” by her claiming to be Native American. But Senator Warren did not take any of the commercially available DNA tests costing less than $99. Instead she took a home made test as interpreted by her self-appointed expert. One has to wonder why she went to the trouble to hire someone to give her a homemade test. Why not blow $99 and give us the results we can see and interpret? Millions of people have taken these DNA tests. There are three main testing companies: ftdna.com and 23andme.com and ancestry.com She should take one of those tests and also have one of her three brothers take the same test to establish it is really her and she should also upload the results to Gedmatch and then we and the world will be able to see if she is really part native American or not. The claim she made that Native Americans have not taken DNA tests because tribal leaders told them not to is also nonsense. One of my own step-sons is part Mexican and I gave him the test and his DNA matches with hundreds of Mexicans South of the Border down Mexico Way who have taken these tests. Did you know that Mexicans are native Americans? Did you know that these DNA tests all come from Utah where they have millions of Native Americans? Sam Sloan _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebprefUnsubscribe&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=ncSLxklPujbWCgsdA21ju5zDDqPUywB-aOBnMBACSgc&s=WAPHXThYrXFMuo5bVYGumfpgZuKY98t9Ra1iPfNe4T4&e= https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.comPrivacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=ncSLxklPujbWCgsdA21ju5zDDqPUywB-aOBnMBACSgc&s=Y_Zp5xphSVA5MIAR6zEXiVzXYb3HjJogJZs54qYQ59w&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9Rootsweb&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=ncSLxklPujbWCgsdA21ju5zDDqPUywB-aOBnMBACSgc&s=eULO7FuqEnq60wFH29oYygOopJxKmQ2g5aCAtlhgj2Y&e= Blog: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rootsweb.blogRootsWeb&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=ncSLxklPujbWCgsdA21ju5zDDqPUywB-aOBnMBACSgc&s=T634WD6nd3rPJu2X-0xSrlx5kFGf3xGJVt_NJqPbNN4&e= is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I don't see why you would dismiss the opinion of Dr. Carlos Bustamante, Sen. Warren's source, so easily.  He has appropriate credentials and has participated in Henry Louis Gates Jr.s "Finding Your Roots" -- that might be why he came to Sen. Warren's attention.  He is also, according to the Stanford University web site, involved in a "groundbreaking" study of Native American population genetics (although I don't think we can evaluate how much ground has actually been broken yet), and is a recipient of a MacArthur Fellowship.  I would tend to give greater weight to work done by a well-known scientist, working in his own field of expertise and who is willing to stand behind his results, than to Ancestry or any other vendor who sells ethnicity reports to the mass market.   John McCoy (RealMac@aol.com)   In a message dated 10/15/2018 9:02:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, samhsloan@gmail.com writes:   Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody Today Elizabeth Warren released a report which she says is the result of a DNA test proving that she is part Native American. She took a test and released the report because for years Trump had been calling her “Pocahontas” by her claiming to be Native American. But Senator Warren did not take any of the commercially available DNA tests costing less than $99. Instead she took a home made test as interpreted by her self-appointed expert. One has to wonder why she went to the trouble to hire someone to give her a homemade test. Why not blow $99 and give us the results we can see and interpret? Millions of people have taken these DNA tests. There are three main testing companies: ftdna.com and 23andme.com and ancestry.com She should take one of those tests and also have one of her three brothers take the same test to establish it is really her and she should also upload the results to Gedmatch and then we and the world will be able to see if she is really part native American or not. The claim she made that Native Americans have not taken DNA tests because tribal leaders told them not to is also nonsense. One of my own step-sons is part Mexican and I gave him the test and his DNA matches with hundreds of Mexicans South of the Border down Mexico Way who have taken these tests. Did you know that Mexicans are native Americans? Did you know that these DNA tests all come from Utah where they have millions of Native Americans? Sam Sloan _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=O1FMXVLIMeS5G5x9Q-6u0fSMUHsuCURmnfaHvRm8kbA&s=3bQXk9bMq4OFb4jBYBsQ8OR9BjxB-Vgbo_sRnwh7H2Q&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=O1FMXVLIMeS5G5x9Q-6u0fSMUHsuCURmnfaHvRm8kbA&s=5QHFs1PlQvfp8Tq0qwg67aPAhH39kBi0GQHH0Tl9qHg&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=O1FMXVLIMeS5G5x9Q-6u0fSMUHsuCURmnfaHvRm8kbA&s=0d3aLZ2RdgkVsX0jlKsEIA1VQ-bK7ZlXHMdQh2BP_iM&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I suppose it would depend on what it means to say that she took a "home made test" A laboratory test wouldn't be called "Home" made I don't think, no matter who made it. ---------------- -----Original Message----- From: realmac--- via GENEALOGY-DNA <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: samhsloan <samhsloan@gmail.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Cc: realmac <realmac@aol.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2018 9:52 am Subject: [DNA] Re: Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody I don't see why you would dismiss the opinion of Dr. Carlos Bustamante, Sen. Warren's source, so easily. He has appropriate credentials and has participated in Henry Louis Gates Jr.s "Finding Your Roots" -- that might be why he came to Sen. Warren's attention. He is also, according to the Stanford University web site, involved in a "groundbreaking" study of Native American population genetics (although I don't think we can evaluate how much ground has actually been broken yet), and is a recipient of a MacArthur Fellowship. I would tend to give greater weight to work done by a well-known scientist, working in his own field of expertise and who is willing to stand behind his results, than to Ancestry or any other vendor who sells ethnicity reports to the mass market. John McCoy(RealMac@aol.com) In a message dated 10/15/2018 9:02:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, samhsloan@gmail.com writes: Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy AnybodyToday Elizabeth Warren released a report which she says is the result of aDNA test proving that she is part Native American.She took a test and released the report because for years Trump had beencalling her “Pocahontas” by her claiming to be Native American.But Senator Warren did not take any of the commercially available DNA testscosting less than $99. Instead she took a home made test as interpreted byher self-appointed expert.One has to wonder why she went to the trouble to hire someone to give her ahomemade test. Why not blow $99 and give us the results we can see andinterpret?Millions of people have taken these DNA tests. There are three main testingcompanies: ftdna.com and 23andme.com and ancestry.com She should take oneof those tests and also have one of her three brothers take the same testto establish it is really her and she should also upload the results toGedmatch and then we and the world will be able to see if she is reallypart native American or not.The claim she made that Native Americans have not taken DNA tests becausetribal leaders told them not to is also nonsense. One of my own step-sonsis part Mexican and I gave him the test and his DNA matches with hundredsof Mexicans South of the Border down Mexico Way who have taken these tests.Did you know that Mexicans are native Americans? Did you know that theseDNA tests all come from Utah where they have millions of Native Americans?Sam Sloan _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=O1FMXVLIMeS5G5x9Q-6u0fSMUHsuCURmnfaHvRm8kbA&s=3bQXk9bMq4OFb4jBYBsQ8OR9BjxB-Vgbo_sRnwh7H2Q&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=O1FMXVLIMeS5G5x9Q-6u0fSMUHsuCURmnfaHvRm8kbA&s=5QHFs1PlQvfp8Tq0qwg67aPAhH39kBi0GQHH0Tl9qHg&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=O1FMXVLIMeS5G5x9Q-6u0fSMUHsuCURmnfaHvRm8kbA&s=0d3aLZ2RdgkVsX0jlKsEIA1VQ-bK7ZlXHMdQh2BP_iM&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebprefUnsubscribe&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=1g0t642yGgN93uQJjsflfeELbidXxdt7TR_VpBVsu3w&s=ln48HvPW_6aJOGBvKkJtZEHqKzTFiwaxwmDKVBVLaDk&e= https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.comPrivacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=1g0t642yGgN93uQJjsflfeELbidXxdt7TR_VpBVsu3w&s=GMv7_9tIaB6HNJlr2T-qRrFjjch4tFBCObyl86cRvmM&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9Rootsweb&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=1g0t642yGgN93uQJjsflfeELbidXxdt7TR_VpBVsu3w&s=6OAOG35ugCpL-PnoQMAcuHFHWrSEQbono5XuWbhdYtM&e= Blog: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rootsweb.blogRootsWeb&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=1g0t642yGgN93uQJjsflfeELbidXxdt7TR_VpBVsu3w&s=Q2POpGc_UjkQjM2Sj_m5391aJHqB0PdJDKL3_wGMfRs&e= is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

While I agree that politicization of the list is inappropriate, I do not think that the general discussion is. One question I had reading the article is when does a trace of something become an identity or culture inclusive to the individual? If Elizabeth Warren is descended from somebody that was 100% native American going back to her 3rd great grandmother as her family lore claimed, that puts her at 1/32 (although that is outside the experts predicted relationship). 6-10 generations (as tested) cuts that to 1/64th at best, 1/1028 at worst. Probably not enough for a card… My wife’s paper tree and mine both have the proverbial indian princess (read about Catoneras claims if you haven’t for perspective). No test is going to show that far back and even if it did the % is so far within the margin of error as to be meaningless if it did. While I would not seek to assert my opinion of what constitutes one’s culture I would be careless to encourage anybody to claim anything nested inside of margins of error!

That is, no autosomal test is going to have much meaning back that far. MtDNA and YDNA certainly would! ________________________________ From: lana parker <southeast_alaska@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 12:42:21 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Re: Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody While I agree that politicization of the list is inappropriate, I do not think that the general discussion is. One question I had reading the article is when does a trace of something become an identity or culture inclusive to the individual? If Elizabeth Warren is descended from somebody that was 100% native American going back to her 3rd great grandmother as her family lore claimed, that puts her at 1/32 (although that is outside the experts predicted relationship). 6-10 generations (as tested) cuts that to 1/64th at best, 1/1028 at worst. Probably not enough for a card… My wife’s paper tree and mine both have the proverbial indian princess (read about Catoneras claims if you haven’t for perspective). No test is going to show that far back and even if it did the % is so far within the margin of error as to be meaningless if it did. While I would not seek to assert my opinion of what constitutes one’s culture I would be careless to encourage anybody to claim anything nested inside of margins of error! _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=Q7IRQ027D_WdcfNxUj9gZRJCt9sJGsNzb5TyjxN-sxs&s=8Dy_zzg7xgqW4GKkFkNaI6mDTR4VuIkrJmA7ofIRqPQ&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=Q7IRQ027D_WdcfNxUj9gZRJCt9sJGsNzb5TyjxN-sxs&s=MXf0uVvfDbObI9gzhdse8oqdFLlWdnDqMjllT8_Gr58&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=Q7IRQ027D_WdcfNxUj9gZRJCt9sJGsNzb5TyjxN-sxs&s=HhuWjewXJUYh_r5ZjfpBYvX6BrBlna7b96c1iWJ7UlQ&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

What do you mean by "that much meaning" Autosomal tests can have segments as large as 30cms say, from eight generations in the past -----Original Message----- From: lana parker <southeast_alaska@hotmail.com> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2018 1:44 pm Subject: [DNA] Re: Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody That is, no autosomal test is going to have much meaning back that far. MtDNA and YDNA certainly would! ________________________________ From: lana parker <southeast_alaska@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 12:42:21 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Re: Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody While I agree that politicization of the list is inappropriate, I do not think that the general discussion is. One question I had reading the article is when does a trace of something become an identity or culture inclusive to the individual? If Elizabeth Warren is descended from somebody that was 100% native American going back to her 3rd great grandmother as her family lore claimed, that puts her at 1/32 (although that is outside the experts predicted relationship). 6-10 generations (as tested) cuts that to 1/64th at best, 1/1028 at worst. Probably not enough for a card… My wife’s paper tree and mine both have the proverbial indian princess (read about Catoneras claims if you haven’t for perspective). No test is going to show that far back and even if it did the % is so far within the margin of error as to be meaningless if it did. While I would not seek to assert my opinion of what constitutes one’s culture I would be careless to encourage anybody to claim anything nested inside of margins of error! _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=Q7IRQ027D_WdcfNxUj9gZRJCt9sJGsNzb5TyjxN-sxs&s=8Dy_zzg7xgqW4GKkFkNaI6mDTR4VuIkrJmA7ofIRqPQ&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=Q7IRQ027D_WdcfNxUj9gZRJCt9sJGsNzb5TyjxN-sxs&s=MXf0uVvfDbObI9gzhdse8oqdFLlWdnDqMjllT8_Gr58&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=Q7IRQ027D_WdcfNxUj9gZRJCt9sJGsNzb5TyjxN-sxs&s=HhuWjewXJUYh_r5ZjfpBYvX6BrBlna7b96c1iWJ7UlQ&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=CDZZvXwuX29lk7hsoBPu9v133EOw34UdCKWJU3PcW7w&s=oscXOGDNjapVIhEBqENcoKX6oWkVc-0UDKc3T17q-Yo&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=CDZZvXwuX29lk7hsoBPu9v133EOw34UdCKWJU3PcW7w&s=sqtthDryFgJZfSybV2r0pwa0ZxFdfmc3HHHMALTRYrE&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=CDZZvXwuX29lk7hsoBPu9v133EOw34UdCKWJU3PcW7w&s=BeTw6jI10cnhnU2uISdNF8XSBIE8luWbypKiDjaNXJM&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

“Can” does not mean “does.” Native American tribes require anywhere from 1/16th native ancestry to 25%. Personally I liked this WSJ article best: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.wsj.com_articles_did-2Delizabeth-2Dwarren-2Djust-2Dkill-2Didentity-2Dpolitics-2D1539633575&d=DwIF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=j0pviL0XoYDMapDVOhv9X6BVnSHjSXnZOGqiEhHZwSA&s=68FVhQBMryjZPEil2KfAnVt9XZ3nCf7UrEoVWd4wZyQ&e= ““This suggests that the senator is somewhere between 1/64th and 1/1024th Native American. A 2014 news account seems to provide useful context. “In recent years geneticists have been uncovering new evidence about our shared heritage, and last week a team of scientists published the biggest genetic profile of the United States to date, based on a study of 160,000 people,” reported<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nytimes.com_2014_12_25_science_23andme-2Dgenetic-2Dethnicity-2Dstudy.html-3Fmod-3Darticle-5Finline&d=DwIF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=j0pviL0XoYDMapDVOhv9X6BVnSHjSXnZOGqiEhHZwSA&s=UC8neMCpwMICNIcdGGLloa6yu_6SzAdzPs8wn1_fdtE&e=> Carl Zimmer in the New York Times. Mr. Zimmer added: “The researchers found that European-Americans had genomes that were on average 98.6 percent European, .19 percent African, and .18 Native American. “These broad estimates masked wide variation among individuals. Based on their sample, the resarchers estimated that over six million European-Americans have some African ancestry. As many as “five million have genomes that are at least 1 percent Native American in origin. “At least according to the report from Professor Bustamante, it’s possible that Sen. Warren has far less than one percent Native American ancestry, and that her genetic makeup is perhaps similar to that of the average white person in the U.S.”

Could you explain better what you are saying here? I don't even understand if you are backing her claims or rejecting them -----Original Message----- From: lana parker <southeast_alaska@hotmail.com> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2018 1:58 pm Subject: [DNA] Re: Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody “Can” does not mean “does.” Native American tribes require anywhere from 1/16th native ancestry to 25%. Personally I liked this WSJ article best: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.wsj.com_articles_did-2Delizabeth-2Dwarren-2Djust-2Dkill-2Didentity-2Dpolitics-2D1539633575&d=DwIF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=j0pviL0XoYDMapDVOhv9X6BVnSHjSXnZOGqiEhHZwSA&s=68FVhQBMryjZPEil2KfAnVt9XZ3nCf7UrEoVWd4wZyQ&e= ““This suggests that the senator is somewhere between 1/64th and 1/1024th Native American. A 2014 news account seems to provide useful context. “In recent years geneticists have been uncovering new evidence about our shared heritage, and last week a team of scientists published the biggest genetic profile of the United States to date, based on a study of 160,000 people,” reported<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nytimes.com_2014_12_25_science_23andme-2Dgenetic-2Dethnicity-2Dstudy.html-3Fmod-3Darticle-5Finline&d=DwIF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=j0pviL0XoYDMapDVOhv9X6BVnSHjSXnZOGqiEhHZwSA&s=UC8neMCpwMICNIcdGGLloa6yu_6SzAdzPs8wn1_fdtE&e=> Carl Zimmer in the New York Times. Mr. Zimmer added: “The researchers found that European-Americans had genomes that were on average 98.6 percent European, .19 percent African, and .18 Native American. “These broad estimates masked wide variation among individuals. Based on their sample, the resarchers estimated that over six million European-Americans have some African ancestry. As many as “five million have genomes that are at least 1 percent Native American in origin. “At least according to the report from Professor Bustamante, it’s possible that Sen. Warren has far less than one percent Native American ancestry, and that her genetic makeup is perhaps similar to that of the average white person in the U.S.” _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=MV1xoX37FWe4RqB6eFsTh5TtrooYYYBgWHKD8sNTSrQ&s=9yTbqafwdd-4bGdCA1Ua1bmmAQOoWBnFty3vSfZrN1A&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=MV1xoX37FWe4RqB6eFsTh5TtrooYYYBgWHKD8sNTSrQ&s=wugCgGHm5iHXRnUnJJAaXdt_B2STnhyjVj_U3y2IY5E&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=MV1xoX37FWe4RqB6eFsTh5TtrooYYYBgWHKD8sNTSrQ&s=KKQ9pc_EttKY6y20VL6-uJmCvXxaVY_BhBSW-5mhC8o&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I cannot back the claims because I am not an expert who has analyzed her data, so cannot say whether her reported results are legitimate. What I can do is question her claim to be “an indian.” As the article points out if: “Before facing President Trump in a 2020 debate, Sen. Warren will first need to win over the Democrats who vote in presidential primaries. If these voters accept her as a Native American then logically it suggests that most if not all Americans can also claim to be members of groups that have historically suffered discrimination. We’re all minorities now? “This column thinks it would be wonderful if politicians decided to stop separating Americans by race but doubts Ms. Warren can sell this to Democratic party activists.” The pertinent question in my mind is what constitutes identity? Is it as the mode of the day says an identity we claim regardless of physical realities, or is it precisely those physical realities? Are we to be defined by what we mostly are or do we just pick and choose? And what then does any of it mean, if anything? In the context of DNA Genealogical research whether we follow the facts or people’s feelings is a very relevant question! ________________________________ From: Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 1:00:08 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Cc: Wjhonson Subject: [DNA] Re: Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody Could you explain better what you are saying here? I don't even understand if you are backing her claims or rejecting them -----Original Message----- From: lana parker <southeast_alaska@hotmail.com> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2018 1:58 pm Subject: [DNA] Re: Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody “Can” does not mean “does.” Native American tribes require anywhere from 1/16th native ancestry to 25%. Personally I liked this WSJ article best: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.wsj.com_articles_did-2Delizabeth-2Dwarren-2Djust-2Dkill-2Didentity-2Dpolitics-2D1539633575&d=DwIF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=j0pviL0XoYDMapDVOhv9X6BVnSHjSXnZOGqiEhHZwSA&s=68FVhQBMryjZPEil2KfAnVt9XZ3nCf7UrEoVWd4wZyQ&e= ““This suggests that the senator is somewhere between 1/64th and 1/1024th Native American. A 2014 news account seems to provide useful context. “In recent years geneticists have been uncovering new evidence about our shared heritage, and last week a team of scientists published the biggest genetic profile of the United States to date, based on a study of 160,000 people,” reported<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nytimes.com_2014_12_25_science_23andme-2Dgenetic-2Dethnicity-2Dstudy.html-3Fmod-3Darticle-5Finline&d=DwIF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=j0pviL0XoYDMapDVOhv9X6BVnSHjSXnZOGqiEhHZwSA&s=UC8neMCpwMICNIcdGGLloa6yu_6SzAdzPs8wn1_fdtE&e=> Carl Zimmer in the New York Times. Mr. Zimmer added: “The researchers found that European-Americans had genomes that were on average 98.6 percent European, .19 percent African, and .18 Native American. “These broad estimates masked wide variation among individuals. Based on their sample, the resarchers estimated that over six million European-Americans have some African ancestry. As many as “five million have genomes that are at least 1 percent Native American in origin. “At least according to the report from Professor Bustamante, it’s possible that Sen. Warren has far less than one percent Native American ancestry, and that her genetic makeup is perhaps similar to that of the average white person in the U.S.” _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=MV1xoX37FWe4RqB6eFsTh5TtrooYYYBgWHKD8sNTSrQ&s=9yTbqafwdd-4bGdCA1Ua1bmmAQOoWBnFty3vSfZrN1A&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=MV1xoX37FWe4RqB6eFsTh5TtrooYYYBgWHKD8sNTSrQ&s=wugCgGHm5iHXRnUnJJAaXdt_B2STnhyjVj_U3y2IY5E&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=MV1xoX37FWe4RqB6eFsTh5TtrooYYYBgWHKD8sNTSrQ&s=KKQ9pc_EttKY6y20VL6-uJmCvXxaVY_BhBSW-5mhC8o&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=1UybukeFqhWZXBghqOJ5lYPfaqZtF0jMkI-MPzLCEFE&s=X2PFM8yx19QdVb2YIYDUYKXJ8sRl7eryEsCzaJ8Ve4w&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=1UybukeFqhWZXBghqOJ5lYPfaqZtF0jMkI-MPzLCEFE&s=17piAiRxRk91llT0riH0lpTifNTicyY5JRFzX4tIOoA&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=1UybukeFqhWZXBghqOJ5lYPfaqZtF0jMkI-MPzLCEFE&s=hFRZQYWlyk7E8wpZ-Cpkt9OiSEdzDNcMWn7FdHwe-G4&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Did she actually claim to be an "Indian" ? -----Original Message----- From: lana parker <southeast_alaska@hotmail.com> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2018 2:10 pm Subject: [DNA] Re: Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody I cannot back the claims because I am not an expert who has analyzed her data, so cannot say whether her reported results are legitimate. What I can do is question her claim to be “an indian.” As the article points out if: “Before facing President Trump in a 2020 debate, Sen. Warren will first need to win over the Democrats who vote in presidential primaries. If these voters accept her as a Native American then logically it suggests that most if not all Americans can also claim to be members of groups that have historically suffered discrimination. We’re all minorities now? “This column thinks it would be wonderful if politicians decided to stop separating Americans by race but doubts Ms. Warren can sell this to Democratic party activists.” The pertinent question in my mind is what constitutes identity? Is it as the mode of the day says an identity we claim regardless of physical realities, or is it precisely those physical realities? Are we to be defined by what we mostly are or do we just pick and choose? And what then does any of it mean, if anything? In the context of DNA Genealogical research whether we follow the facts or people’s feelings is a very relevant question! ________________________________ From: Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 1:00:08 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Cc: Wjhonson Subject: [DNA] Re: Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody Could you explain better what you are saying here? I don't even understand if you are backing her claims or rejecting them -----Original Message----- From: lana parker <southeast_alaska@hotmail.com> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2018 1:58 pm Subject: [DNA] Re: Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody “Can” does not mean “does.” Native American tribes require anywhere from 1/16th native ancestry to 25%. Personally I liked this WSJ article best: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.wsj.com_articles_did-2Delizabeth-2Dwarren-2Djust-2Dkill-2Didentity-2Dpolitics-2D1539633575&d=DwIF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=j0pviL0XoYDMapDVOhv9X6BVnSHjSXnZOGqiEhHZwSA&s=68FVhQBMryjZPEil2KfAnVt9XZ3nCf7UrEoVWd4wZyQ&e= ““This suggests that the senator is somewhere between 1/64th and 1/1024th Native American. A 2014 news account seems to provide useful context. “In recent years geneticists have been uncovering new evidence about our shared heritage, and last week a team of scientists published the biggest genetic profile of the United States to date, based on a study of 160,000 people,” reported<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nytimes.com_2014_12_25_science_23andme-2Dgenetic-2Dethnicity-2Dstudy.html-3Fmod-3Darticle-5Finline&d=DwIF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=j0pviL0XoYDMapDVOhv9X6BVnSHjSXnZOGqiEhHZwSA&s=UC8neMCpwMICNIcdGGLloa6yu_6SzAdzPs8wn1_fdtE&e=> Carl Zimmer in the New York Times. Mr. Zimmer added: “The researchers found that European-Americans had genomes that were on average 98.6 percent European, .19 percent African, and .18 Native American. “These broad estimates masked wide variation among individuals. Based on their sample, the resarchers estimated that over six million European-Americans have some African ancestry. As many as “five million have genomes that are at least 1 percent Native American in origin. “At least according to the report from Professor Bustamante, it’s possible that Sen. Warren has far less than one percent Native American ancestry, and that her genetic makeup is perhaps similar to that of the average white person in the U.S.” _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=MV1xoX37FWe4RqB6eFsTh5TtrooYYYBgWHKD8sNTSrQ&s=9yTbqafwdd-4bGdCA1Ua1bmmAQOoWBnFty3vSfZrN1A&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=MV1xoX37FWe4RqB6eFsTh5TtrooYYYBgWHKD8sNTSrQ&s=wugCgGHm5iHXRnUnJJAaXdt_B2STnhyjVj_U3y2IY5E&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=MV1xoX37FWe4RqB6eFsTh5TtrooYYYBgWHKD8sNTSrQ&s=KKQ9pc_EttKY6y20VL6-uJmCvXxaVY_BhBSW-5mhC8o&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=1UybukeFqhWZXBghqOJ5lYPfaqZtF0jMkI-MPzLCEFE&s=X2PFM8yx19QdVb2YIYDUYKXJ8sRl7eryEsCzaJ8Ve4w&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=1UybukeFqhWZXBghqOJ5lYPfaqZtF0jMkI-MPzLCEFE&s=17piAiRxRk91llT0riH0lpTifNTicyY5JRFzX4tIOoA&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=1UybukeFqhWZXBghqOJ5lYPfaqZtF0jMkI-MPzLCEFE&s=hFRZQYWlyk7E8wpZ-Cpkt9OiSEdzDNcMWn7FdHwe-G4&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=koKCX-sSTGMuAYIR_LObFS5osAgVKSD3l8oVNZibOzA&s=xoYI9l8zxk0OpBtdl4KBUw-ymt_kToP-G-ZHgVFpOX4&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=koKCX-sSTGMuAYIR_LObFS5osAgVKSD3l8oVNZibOzA&s=2bKeTbAAtXUqeWRhuBBm-OUciW9r0r4L5bwTrhXfV9k&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=koKCX-sSTGMuAYIR_LObFS5osAgVKSD3l8oVNZibOzA&s=_GQ2cRV-ylGEoh57YQXaXUVY1GGk_Kh2gbu9cyDlpsg&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

And in the interest of fairness, could we avoid straying into extraneous arguments?  It was my understanding that the question at issue was only whether Sen. Warren might have some Native American ancestry, and that seems to me to be the only question upon which the genetic data have any bearing.  The genetic data do not inform us about matters of tribal membership.   John McCoy (RealMac@aol.com)   In a message dated 10/15/2018 2:00:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com writes:   Could you explain better what you are saying here? I don't even understand if you are backing her claims or rejecting them 

She has many times claimed to be Cherokee (an identity apart from claiming to have “some Native American ancestry”: ““In 1984, she contributed five recipes to a Native American cookbook entitled “Pow Wow Chow: A Collection of Recipes From Families of the Five Civilized Tribes: Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek, and Seminole.” In the book, which was edited by her cousin and unearthed during her 2012 campaign by the Boston Herald, her name is listed as “Elizabeth Warren, Cherokee.” “Warren also listed herself as a minority in a legal directory published by the Association of American Law Schools from 1986 to 1995. She’s never provided a clear answer on why she stopped self-identifying. “She was also listed as a Native American in federal forms filed by the law schools at Harvard University and University of Pennsylvania where she worked. “And in 1996, as Harvard Law School was being criticized for lacking diversity, a spokesman for the law school told the Harvard Crimson that Warren was Native American. And now she is claiming that the president owes her $1M because: “At a speech in July, Mr. Trump discussed<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__thehill.com_homenews_administration_395728-2Dtrump-2Di-2Dwould-2Doffer-2Dwarren-2D1-2Dmillion-2Dto-2Dprove-2Dher-2Dnative-2Damerican-3Fmod-3Darticle-5Finline&d=DwIF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=xDyZ3727VNLqWGPe4CQ0aGFw8NoECV3CGzBSJMby3RY&s=DlzBZCMFLl0upMBhpO4lpPOEMEDz-KZK5Xi63JGrEjY&e=> the possibility of debating Sen. Warren in the 2020 campaign. Mr. Trump said that “in the middle of the debate, when she proclaims she’s of Indian heritage“ he would toss a DNA testing kit her way and say, “I will give you a million dollars, paid for by Trump, to your favorite charity if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian.”” So now she has taken to the media to claim she is owed $1M which means that in her mind she has proven that she is an Indian. The question becomes one of identity and what if anything it means to be one or many ethnicities to a large or small extent. As the article said, if she is “an Indian,” then so are millions upon millions of white Americans (just like her). What would that mean for genealogical DNA research and “ethnicity?” Personally I don’t see how DNA can pick a timeframe in human history and record it as an identity (though we can see historically where and when a mutation occurred and then trace it through the convoluted patterns of human behavior). How can anybody be German in their DNA when Germany was Prussia not long ago and before that something else, with populations migrating all over? DNA is a recipe not a history book! From: realmac--- via GENEALOGY-DNA<mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 1:11 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com<mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Cc: realmac@aol.com<mailto:realmac@aol.com> Subject: [DNA] Re: Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody And in the interest of fairness, could we avoid straying into extraneous arguments? It was my understanding that the question at issue was only whether Sen. Warren might have some Native American ancestry, and that seems to me to be the only question upon which the genetic data have any bearing. The genetic data do not inform us about matters of tribal membership. John McCoy (RealMac@aol.com) In a message dated 10/15/2018 2:00:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com writes: Could you explain better what you are saying here? I don't even understand if you are backing her claims or rejecting them _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=xDyZ3727VNLqWGPe4CQ0aGFw8NoECV3CGzBSJMby3RY&s=RqFhn8zwDv4_2fovMvzYkkG0bJNR3rDW6GipBES2ObQ&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=xDyZ3727VNLqWGPe4CQ0aGFw8NoECV3CGzBSJMby3RY&s=sUEQOuqscStre06fzJrTD3TaxrWBsU5mEWSK1AqcAiw&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=xDyZ3727VNLqWGPe4CQ0aGFw8NoECV3CGzBSJMby3RY&s=wzY0arQEwL4-ghsgaZC2bWoYUc33Hf2NLXJmt5NH-Pg&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Keep the politics away from the DNA. Thanks all -----Original Message----- From: lana parker [mailto:southeast_alaska@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 4:26 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Re: Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody She has many times claimed to be Cherokee (an identity apart from claiming to have "some Native American ancestry": ""In 1984, she contributed five recipes to a Native American cookbook entitled "Pow Wow Chow: A Collection of Recipes From Families of the Five Civilized Tribes: Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek, and Seminole." In the book, which was edited by her cousin and unearthed during her 2012 campaign by the Boston Herald, her name is listed as "Elizabeth Warren, Cherokee." "Warren also listed herself as a minority in a legal directory published by the Association of American Law Schools from 1986 to 1995. She's never provided a clear answer on why she stopped self-identifying. "She was also listed as a Native American in federal forms filed by the law schools at Harvard University and University of Pennsylvania where she worked. "And in 1996, as Harvard Law School was being criticized for lacking diversity, a spokesman for the law school told the Harvard Crimson that Warren was Native American. And now she is claiming that the president owes her $1M because: "At a speech in July, Mr. Trump discussed<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__thehill.com_h omenews_administration_395728-2Dtrump-2Di-2Dwould-2Doffer-2Dwarren-2D1-2Dmil lion-2Dto-2Dprove-2Dher-2Dnative-2Damerican-3Fmod-3Darticle-5Finline&d=DwIF- g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=x DyZ3727VNLqWGPe4CQ0aGFw8NoECV3CGzBSJMby3RY&s=DlzBZCMFLl0upMBhpO4lpPOEMEDz-KZ K5Xi63JGrEjY&e=> the possibility of debating Sen. Warren in the 2020 campaign. Mr. Trump said that "in the middle of the debate, when she proclaims she's of Indian heritage" he would toss a DNA testing kit her way and say, "I will give you a million dollars, paid for by Trump, to your favorite charity if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian."" So now she has taken to the media to claim she is owed $1M which means that in her mind she has proven that she is an Indian. The question becomes one of identity and what if anything it means to be one or many ethnicities to a large or small extent. As the article said, if she is "an Indian," then so are millions upon millions of white Americans (just like her). What would that mean for genealogical DNA research and "ethnicity?" Personally I don't see how DNA can pick a timeframe in human history and record it as an identity (though we can see historically where and when a mutation occurred and then trace it through the convoluted patterns of human behavior). How can anybody be German in their DNA when Germany was Prussia not long ago and before that something else, with populations migrating all over? DNA is a recipe not a history book! From: realmac--- via GENEALOGY-DNA<mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 1:11 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com<mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Cc: realmac@aol.com<mailto:realmac@aol.com> Subject: [DNA] Re: Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody And in the interest of fairness, could we avoid straying into extraneous arguments? It was my understanding that the question at issue was only whether Sen. Warren might have some Native American ancestry, and that seems to me to be the only question upon which the genetic data have any bearing. The genetic data do not inform us about matters of tribal membership. John McCoy (RealMac@aol.com) In a message dated 10/15/2018 2:00:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com writes: Could you explain better what you are saying here? I don't even understand if you are backing her claims or rejecting them _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=Dw IF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc& m=xDyZ3727VNLqWGPe4CQ0aGFw8NoECV3CGzBSJMby3RY&s=RqFhn8zwDv4_2fovMvzYkkG0bJNR 3rDW6GipBES2ObQ&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=Dw IF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc& m=xDyZ3727VNLqWGPe4CQ0aGFw8NoECV3CGzBSJMby3RY&s=sUEQOuqscStre06fzJrTD3TaxrWB sU5mEWSK1AqcAiw&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=Dw IF-g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc& m=xDyZ3727VNLqWGPe4CQ0aGFw8NoECV3CGzBSJMby3RY&s=wzY0arQEwL4-ghsgaZC2bWoYUc33 Hf2NLXJmt5NH-Pg&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Correction, keep the “politics” from one side away. It is clear that nobody on the list cares one whit about Elizabeth Warren supporters posting ad nauseum. For the record I am extremely non-political and see both sides as fundamentally absurd. Almost as absurd as claiming that you are wholly what you may be in extremely small part… ________________________________ From: helen duer <h.duer2@q.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 5:34:35 AM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Re: Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody Keep the politics away from the DNA. Thanks all -----Original Message----- From: lana parker [mailto:southeast_alaska@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 4:26 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Re: Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody She has many times claimed to be Cherokee (an identity apart from claiming to have "some Native American ancestry": ""In 1984, she contributed five recipes to a Native American cookbook entitled "Pow Wow Chow: A Collection of Recipes From Families of the Five Civilized Tribes: Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek, and Seminole." In the book, which was edited by her cousin and unearthed during her 2012 campaign by the Boston Herald, her name is listed as "Elizabeth Warren, Cherokee." "Warren also listed herself as a minority in a legal directory published by the Association of American Law Schools from 1986 to 1995. She's never provided a clear answer on why she stopped self-identifying. "She was also listed as a Native American in federal forms filed by the law schools at Harvard University and University of Pennsylvania where she worked. "And in 1996, as Harvard Law School was being criticized for lacking diversity, a spokesman for the law school told the Harvard Crimson that Warren was Native American. And now she is claiming that the president owes her $1M because: "At a speech in July, Mr. Trump discussed<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__thehill.com_h omenews_administration_395728-2Dtrump-2Di-2Dwould-2Doffer-2Dwarren-2D1-2Dmil lion-2Dto-2Dprove-2Dher-2Dnative-2Damerican-3Fmod-3Darticle-5Finline&d=DwIF- g&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=x DyZ3727VNLqWGPe4CQ0aGFw8NoECV3CGzBSJMby3RY&s=DlzBZCMFLl0upMBhpO4lpPOEMEDz-KZ K5Xi63JGrEjY&e=> the possibility of debating Sen. Warren in the 2020 campaign. Mr. Trump said that "in the middle of the debate, when she proclaims she's of Indian heritage" he would toss a DNA testing kit her way and say, "I will give you a million dollars, paid for by Trump, to your favorite charity if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian."" So now she has taken to the media to claim she is owed $1M which means that in her mind she has proven that she is an Indian. The question becomes one of identity and what if anything it means to be one or many ethnicities to a large or small extent. As the article said, if she is "an Indian," then so are millions upon millions of white Americans (just like her). What would that mean for genealogical DNA research and "ethnicity?" Personally I don't see how DNA can pick a timeframe in human history and record it as an identity (though we can see historically where and when a mutation occurred and then trace it through the convoluted patterns of human behavior). How can anybody be German in their DNA when Germany was Prussia not long ago and before that something else, with populations migrating all over? DNA is a recipe not a history book! From: realmac--- via GENEALOGY-DNA<mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 1:11 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com<mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Cc: realmac@aol.com<mailto:realmac@aol.com> Subject: [DNA] Re: Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody And in the interest of fairness, could we avoid straying into extraneous arguments? It was my understanding that the question at issue was only whether Sen. Warren might have some Native American ancestry, and that seems to me to be the only question upon which the genetic data have any bearing. The genetic data do not inform us about matters of tribal membership. John McCoy (RealMac@aol.com) In a message dated 10/15/2018 2:00:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com writes: Could you explain better what you are saying here? 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She should just show her birth certificate . . . If she was born in the Americas, she is native American and need not spend time and money on a DNA test. -----Original Message----- From: realmac--- via GENEALOGY-DNA [mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 5:11 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Cc: realmac@aol.com Subject: [DNA] Re: Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody And in the interest of fairness, could we avoid straying into extraneous arguments? It was my understanding that the question at issue was only whether Sen. Warren might have some Native American ancestry, and that seems to me to be the only question upon which the genetic data have any bearing. The genetic data do not inform us about matters of tribal membership. John McCoy (RealMac@aol.com) In a message dated 10/15/2018 2:00:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com writes: Could you explain better what you are saying here? I don't even understand if you are backing her claims or rejecting them _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=W2ztUkqLSVE6VL-0LlT6SlbONIRSkpBtYflQLl4uUDE&s=Qnlqt_QpYpXqg7tWNzYO-mEW37ggIGZFnUHwtry2y0k&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=W2ztUkqLSVE6VL-0LlT6SlbONIRSkpBtYflQLl4uUDE&s=nNOAfvtcMaq9gxLSmzuFCTpADmzWkLDbxByKIX45kOw&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=W2ztUkqLSVE6VL-0LlT6SlbONIRSkpBtYflQLl4uUDE&s=7iiHvH48hKTGH_v2-0z2mexnZLa_apJ-0Fk_cYNZshE&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.avg.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=W2ztUkqLSVE6VL-0LlT6SlbONIRSkpBtYflQLl4uUDE&s=Mr_QrNlWRTPYlDmYjuHeB03v25uvOS0Lg9YDIl_rdVQ&e=

Lol but is she indigenous -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Anderson [mailto:anderson@wire-tap.net] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 6:10 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Re: Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody She should just show her birth certificate . . . If she was born in the Americas, she is native American and need not spend time and money on a DNA test. -----Original Message----- From: realmac--- via GENEALOGY-DNA [mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 5:11 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Cc: realmac@aol.com Subject: [DNA] Re: Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody And in the interest of fairness, could we avoid straying into extraneous arguments? It was my understanding that the question at issue was only whether Sen. Warren might have some Native American ancestry, and that seems to me to be the only question upon which the genetic data have any bearing. The genetic data do not inform us about matters of tribal membership. John McCoy (RealMac@aol.com) In a message dated 10/15/2018 2:00:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com writes: Could you explain better what you are saying here? I don't even understand if you are backing her claims or rejecting them _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=Dw IFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc& m=W2ztUkqLSVE6VL-0LlT6SlbONIRSkpBtYflQLl4uUDE&s=Qnlqt_QpYpXqg7tWNzYO-mEW37gg IGZFnUHwtry2y0k&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=Dw IFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc& m=W2ztUkqLSVE6VL-0LlT6SlbONIRSkpBtYflQLl4uUDE&s=nNOAfvtcMaq9gxLSmzuFCTpADmzW kLDbxByKIX45kOw&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=Dw IFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc& m=W2ztUkqLSVE6VL-0LlT6SlbONIRSkpBtYflQLl4uUDE&s=7iiHvH48hKTGH_v2-0z2mexnZLa_ apJ-0Fk_cYNZshE&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.avg.com&d=DwIFaQ&c= kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=W2ztU kqLSVE6VL-0LlT6SlbONIRSkpBtYflQLl4uUDE&s=Mr_QrNlWRTPYlDmYjuHeB03v25uvOS0Lg9Y DIl_rdVQ&e= _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Being as I neither want to touch on politics and nor understand why one would want to tread so closely to NAZI-style race identification, I would quickly remark that 'indigenous' is synonymous with 'native' but that 'indigenous peoples' is a 'word of art.' A 'word of art' is found in legal statutes. If one were to define 'lemon' as meaning 'apple' in a particular chapter, section, or paragraph, then each occurrence of the word 'lemon' should be read to mean 'apple' when found within that range of definition but would be foolish to make interpretation elsewhere. In international treaties and national laws of many countries (at least English speaking countries), the term 'indigenous people' is defined as aboriginal. Why one would want to forego a term that is shorter and unambiguous (save for the inclination of some to limit the term to a group in Australia) in favor of one that is clearly in conflict with the meaning of the words in the term mystifies me . . . unless, as was Lenin's intent, one WANTS to confuse the issue by destroying the clarity of the language. This woman is clearly indigenous and just as clearly not aboriginal although it is not certain, AFAIK, whether or not she has any aboriginal ancestors. Heck, almost all Europeans have Charlemagne as an ancestor but that does not make them all 'royals.' -----Original Message----- From: helen duer [mailto:h.duer2@q.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 9:41 AM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Re: Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody Lol but is she indigenous -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Anderson [mailto:anderson@wire-tap.net] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 6:10 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Re: Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody She should just show her birth certificate . . . If she was born in the Americas, she is native American and need not spend time and money on a DNA test. -----Original Message----- From: realmac--- via GENEALOGY-DNA [mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 5:11 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Cc: realmac@aol.com Subject: [DNA] Re: Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody And in the interest of fairness, could we avoid straying into extraneous arguments? It was my understanding that the question at issue was only whether Sen. Warren might have some Native American ancestry, and that seems to me to be the only question upon which the genetic data have any bearing. The genetic data do not inform us about matters of tribal membership. John McCoy (RealMac@aol.com) In a message dated 10/15/2018 2:00:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com writes: Could you explain better what you are saying here? 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I’m mostly certain political threads such as this are inappropriate. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 15, 2018, at 11:01 AM, Sam Sloan <samhsloan@gmail.com> wrote: > > Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody > > Today Elizabeth Warren released a report which she says is the result of a > DNA test proving that she is part Native American. > > She took a test and released the report because for years Trump had been > calling her “Pocahontas” by her claiming to be Native American. > > But Senator Warren did not take any of the commercially available DNA tests > costing less than $99. Instead she took a home made test as interpreted by > her self-appointed expert. > > One has to wonder why she went to the trouble to hire someone to give her a > homemade test. Why not blow $99 and give us the results we can see and > interpret? > > Millions of people have taken these DNA tests. There are three main testing > companies: ftdna.com and 23andme.com and ancestry.com She should take one > of those tests and also have one of her three brothers take the same test > to establish it is really her and she should also upload the results to > Gedmatch and then we and the world will be able to see if she is really > part native American or not. > > The claim she made that Native Americans have not taken DNA tests because > tribal leaders told them not to is also nonsense. One of my own step-sons > is part Mexican and I gave him the test and his DNA matches with hundreds > of Mexicans South of the Border down Mexico Way who have taken these tests. > > Did you know that Mexicans are native Americans? Did you know that these > DNA tests all come from Utah where they have millions of Native Americans? > > Sam Sloan > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=nX9AV8-9PNp00zCvs7MEKH5AerAj93qWwwCLftuMXf8&s=zgOcQQC6EBMzIfow0nns_HrcZfaK4amk2ZHjKiHxPjc&e= > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=nX9AV8-9PNp00zCvs7MEKH5AerAj93qWwwCLftuMXf8&s=HduGUSO-jnY4vNfGnCjkIYu3mK4d2AOjtwi5UrnMLDw&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=uTQwOhmj3JkRB4Gmryx6HiZJgPnzlhJIPpPONi4iROc&m=nX9AV8-9PNp00zCvs7MEKH5AerAj93qWwwCLftuMXf8&s=x-BB6sjGPhrrFtrr9EsuHjOaKBuw_4Rgf84sZrXeqYs&e= > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hey Sam, You must be aware that most of the commercial DNA test go back only 5-6 generations at the most. It is common knowledge that a No result for a particular ethnicity cannot and should not be equated with the non-existence of that ethnicity in one's paper-trail ancestry. This is due to genetic factors as random selection, the number of generations ago that relative lived, and the gender distribution of the inheritance. For example, if the ethnicity was passed down in the female line, a simple FTDNA mitochondrial test would suffice. Most lineages are not so traceable directly back to this ethnicity. My son-in-law's family is on the Indian Roles in Oklahoma through his great-grandmother. The line traces back to North Carolina Cherokees, to the Revolutionary War. This lineage is a female one all the way to my son-in-law's great, great-grandfather (father of his great grandmother). So, the female line was broken at that point unless there is a sister whose female line continues uninterrupted to a living descendent. As far as Elizabeth Warren, do we know her paper trail in this regard? If my memory serves me correctly, I believe Elizabeth Warren did take a commercial DNA test that indicated a lack of Native American ancestry. She then went to Stanford University to a DNA specialist to delve deeper into why her Native American did not show up. Most of the commercial kits were developed by affiliated universities. FTDNA has close ties to the University of Arizona at Tucson. So Elizabeth Warren was correct in her choice to pursue further DNA analysis. Remember the technology of DNA analysis is a dynamic one and is advancing daily. Best regards, Helen Duer Binkleys in America DNA Administrator -----Original Message----- From: Laura Stewart [mailto:laurasgenealogy@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 3:03 PM To: samhsloan@gmail.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Cc: DNA-NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com; DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DNA] Re: Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody I'm mostly certain political threads such as this are inappropriate. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 15, 2018, at 11:01 AM, Sam Sloan <samhsloan@gmail.com> wrote: > > Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody > > Today Elizabeth Warren released a report which she says is the result of a > DNA test proving that she is part Native American. > > She took a test and released the report because for years Trump had been > calling her "Pocahontas" by her claiming to be Native American. > > But Senator Warren did not take any of the commercially available DNA tests > costing less than $99. Instead she took a home made test as interpreted by > her self-appointed expert. > > One has to wonder why she went to the trouble to hire someone to give her a > homemade test. Why not blow $99 and give us the results we can see and > interpret? > > Millions of people have taken these DNA tests. There are three main testing > companies: ftdna.com and 23andme.com and ancestry.com She should take one > of those tests and also have one of her three brothers take the same test > to establish it is really her and she should also upload the results to > Gedmatch and then we and the world will be able to see if she is really > part native American or not. > > The claim she made that Native Americans have not taken DNA tests because > tribal leaders told them not to is also nonsense. One of my own step-sons > is part Mexican and I gave him the test and his DNA matches with hundreds > of Mexicans South of the Border down Mexico Way who have taken these tests. > > Did you know that Mexicans are native Americans? 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