Actually I can think of harm *to me* from other people excluding living people. The harm is, I would like to contact my fourth cousins and try to get them to DNA test, but I have to know at least their names. -----Original Message----- From: AJ Marsh via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: samhsloan <samhsloan@gmail.com> Cc: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Dec 9, 2015 8:54 pm Subject: Re: [DNA] Y-DNA matching system ideas (was: "Where to yDNA Test") Sam, If a person matches the Y-DNA of someone in the suggested new database being discussed, they would be able to contact the person who they match (if he wanted to be contacted) because of contact features built into the database. If all male line ancestors were given before 1900, the data included on the database would give some hints as to where to search for their kin anyway. But an exact match on 111 markers is still not a guarantee of recent relationship, just sign of a possibility. As you say, excluding living persons from on line trees is just a custom and a courtesy. No harm in being courteous I suggest. But not all on line trees exclude living persons. The Queen of England is named in on line trees. But I don't believe her DNA results are attached to the trees. John. Sent from my iPad > On 10/12/2015, at 2:16 pm, Sam Sloan <samhsloan@gmail.com> wrote: > > How is any person who has been adopted going to find their birth parent if everybody born after 1900 is excluded from the trees? > > I do not think it is a legal requirement to exclude living persons. Just a custom and courtesy. > > Sam Sloan > >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 3:45 PM, AJ Marsh via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> Doug, >> >> That did not read the way I intended it! >> >> I meant the trees should not include persons still living, to protect the privacy of living persons who may not be the DNA tester. I meant to say as an arbitrary cutoff, it was reasonably certain persons born before 1900 were not still living. It is safer to exclude persons born after 1900, than to exclude "living" persons, as I find internet trees are occasionally wrong about living status. I even found one Internet tree indicating I was dead, something which I disagree with. >> >> John. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > On 10/12/2015, at 10:57 am, McDonald@lists3.rootsweb.com wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > On Behalf Of AJ Marsh via >> > "You raise a good point about a line of ancestors rather than just the presumed most distant. In my surname project, early published genealogical books claim that certain USA families descended from brothers in the 1600, whereas Y-DNA clearly shows the assumed brothers did not have the same Y-DNA, ie did not have the same direct male line ancestor in the past 30,000 years. So giving a line of ancestors is more helpful, as it still would work even if it wrongly assumes the most distant ancestor. >> > >> > In my projects some even believe family legends, and claim their earliest known male line ancestor was someone living 1000 years ago. In some cases they may be right, in others they may be wrong. >> > >> > One good thing about the Sorenson database was the well documented pedigrees. When I found matches in that database I was really able to infer a possible point or region of connection, the genealogies were hugely helpful. >> > >> > I think the default should be no names of ancestors living or born before about 1900, but there are different views on that." >> > ----------------------------- >> > >> > Huh??? none born BEFORE 1900? Does that not make it useless? >> > >> > Doug McDonald >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message