I'm sorry Karla, but I agree with Sam. I have a lady in our Jones group sending me questions about DNA testing as her test participant is her son at FTDNA and my kits she wants to compare to in order to prove my Jones ancestor is hers too, are all at 23andMe. Her son is a police officer and absolutely refused to use gedmatch. So making things harder to privatize will only keep more folks scared and confused and have them not joining. The only way she might convince him to let her post is if she can assure some privacy and the more we are forced to do things that expose personal information (your email can usually be found all over the web by a simple google to identify you) the less likely the weary will be to participate at all. Those who wanted folks forced to have an email want to be able to contact folks on their list in particular that they currently cannot, however, ultimately those kits will simply be removed altogether or folks will use an email address that they don't monitor so the whiners likely still will not be happy as they still won't get responses. DUH! Personally I hope the site doesn't lose it's usefulness because of this and I think folks who don't have an email should still be able to use those kits to find matches especially if they are gedmatch contributors. To boot--this entire force folks to show an email topic was likely started by someone who's never contributed a dime! :( As a webmaster of 20 years myself, I can attest that those who have fussed about things on my own site, were not contributing in any way to the site's continuation, support or growth. I'd hate to see gedmatch dwindle in use or someone recreate it's functionality on another site that allows privacy because this topic was every brought up to start with. :( On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Karla Huebner via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Including an email address is not the same thing as disclosing one's > identity. The same person can have a raft of different email addresses for > different purposes. > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Sam Sloan via < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > Sorry. I would not support this change. > > > > Many people are afraid of identity theft. Many people will not upload to > > gedmatch.com because they fear their identity will be stolen. I have had > > people get very angry with me when I offer to give them a free DNA test > > even though I will be paying for it. > > > > I would rather have incomplete information than no information at all. > > > > Some day there will be a gigantic family tree and all of us will be on > it. > > > > Sam Sloan > > > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 6:29 AM, Andreas West via < > > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > I've posted my number before when we started this discussion, it was 6 > or > > > 7% > > > if I remember correctly. Indeed, let's hope these people read it and > > change > > > their settings. > > > > > > If not, those emotionally not capable of coping with the disappointment > > > (like > > > me, who brought this idea up) might break down and cry endlessly > > > (attention, > > > irony was intended). > > > > > > Andreas (WEST) born BASSO > > > > > > My ancestors: [http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family- > > > Tree-23](http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family-Tree-23) > > > "Jim Bartlett via" <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > I have less than 1% of my GEDmatch Matches w/o an email. Is this a > > major > > > > issue for some? With the doubling of of test takers every 14 months, > > > I've got > > > > my hands full (and my TGs runneth over) with new Matches. I'm trying > > > hard to > > > > keep up communications - the genealogy part of this puzzle - but am > > > slipping > > > > behind. I won't miss the very few w/o emails - maybe this policy will > > > > convince a few to add their emails. > > > > > > > > Jim - www.segmentology.org > > > > > > > > > On Nov 13, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Brooks Family via < > > > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > /"/ /*Effective December 1, 2015, kits with hidden (private) email > > > > > addresses// > > > > > //will no longer be shown in comparison results. If you have a > hidden > > > > > email// > > > > > //address, you can make it visible by clicking on the EDIT link at > > the > > > > > bottom// > > > > > //of your DNA resources box. *// > > > > > //// > > > > > //"So will those who have hidden addresses still have access to our > > > > > data? It// > > > > > //sound like they will not be able to see the results but not sure > > if I > > > > am// > > > > > //reading this correctly"/ > > > > > > > > > > OMG. The way I read this, it instantly makes private all > email-less > > > > > kits. It doesn't state that a match list /for that kit /will not > be > > > > > generated, just that it will not be on any other kits' match lists. > > > > > > > > > > I can see how the change would cut the amount of griping to > gedmatch, > > > > > but IMO it doesn't solve the problem. Even if the kit owner > decided > > to > > > > > give the kit an email, there's no requirement to answer an email or > > > > > share info. I have those now, anyway. > > > > > > > > > > Small matches aren't useful if a kit owner is unresponsive - but > > large > > > > > matches /are/ even when the owner is unresponsive! They can be used > > for > > > > > comparisons. And sometimes I can figure out who they are on the > site > > > > > that the kit came from. > > > > > > > > > > Good grief. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA- > > > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > > > the > > > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Karla Huebner > calypsospots AT gmail.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Lisa R Franklin RN,BSN Admin, Franklin Y DNA Project http://trackingyourroots.com/FranklinGenetics/ FranklinGenetics@gmail.com http://trackingyourroots.com/DNA (How To presentation (23andme), tips, & helps. *2**3**&**m**e**: **The World's Largest database & coincidentally the ONLY one with all the tools you need for genealogy and DNA!--* http://refer.23andme.com/v2/share/6158544791499756901/4672616e6b6c696e47656e657469637340676d61696c2e636f6d BEST GENETIC GENEALOGY BOOK! http://www.amazon.com/Genetic-Genealogy-Emily-D-Aulicino-ebook/dp/B00HJJWBU2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391174801&sr=8-1&keywords=Genetic+Genealogy

Franklin Genetics: You have referred to genetic genealogists who support the identity of DNA participants as “whiners” on several occasions. Are you not able to appreciate the opinions of others while still disagreeing with them, or do you enjoy insulting others, belittling them, and invalidating their perspectives? Hypothetical: What if we refer to your opinions as contemptible, narrow minded, biased, incompetent, selfish, arrogant and ignorant How would that make you feel? And because you're so contemptible what if we delete every one of your posts because there is no way you could ever articulate any point with any breadth or depth and without insulting others? Here’s a suggestion: apologize to the List for your limited and prejudice views, and start demonstrating appreciation for the offerings of others. gm > On Nov 13, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Franklin Genetics via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I'm sorry Karla, but I agree with Sam. I have a lady in our Jones group > sending me questions about DNA testing as her test participant is her son > at FTDNA and my kits she wants to compare to in order to prove my Jones > ancestor is hers too, are all at 23andMe. Her son is a police officer and > absolutely refused to use gedmatch. So making things harder to privatize > will only keep more folks scared and confused and have them not joining. > The only way she might convince him to let her post is if she can assure > some privacy and the more we are forced to do things that expose personal > information (your email can usually be found all over the web by a simple > google to identify you) the less likely the weary will be to participate at > all. > > Those who wanted folks forced to have an email want to be able to contact > folks on their list in particular that they currently cannot, however, > ultimately those kits will simply be removed altogether or folks will use > an email address that they don't monitor so the whiners likely still will > not be happy as they still won't get responses. DUH! > > Personally I hope the site doesn't lose it's usefulness because of this and > I think folks who don't have an email should still be able to use those > kits to find matches especially if they are gedmatch contributors. To > boot--this entire force folks to show an email topic was likely started by > someone who's never contributed a dime! :( As a webmaster of 20 years > myself, I can attest that those who have fussed about things on my own > site, were not contributing in any way to the site's continuation, support > or growth. I'd hate to see gedmatch dwindle in use or someone recreate > it's functionality on another site that allows privacy because this topic > was every brought up to start with. :( > > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Karla Huebner via < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> Including an email address is not the same thing as disclosing one's >> identity. The same person can have a raft of different email addresses for >> different purposes. >> >> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Sam Sloan via < >> genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Sorry. I would not support this change. >>> >>> Many people are afraid of identity theft. Many people will not upload to >>> gedmatch.com because they fear their identity will be stolen. I have had >>> people get very angry with me when I offer to give them a free DNA test >>> even though I will be paying for it. >>> >>> I would rather have incomplete information than no information at all. >>> >>> Some day there will be a gigantic family tree and all of us will be on >> it. >>> >>> Sam Sloan >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 6:29 AM, Andreas West via < >>> genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I've posted my number before when we started this discussion, it was 6 >> or >>>> 7% >>>> if I remember correctly. Indeed, let's hope these people read it and >>> change >>>> their settings. >>>> >>>> If not, those emotionally not capable of coping with the disappointment >>>> (like >>>> me, who brought this idea up) might break down and cry endlessly >>>> (attention, >>>> irony was intended). >>>> >>>> Andreas (WEST) born BASSO >>>> >>>> My ancestors: [http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family- >>>> Tree-23](http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family-Tree-23) >>>> "Jim Bartlett via" <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>>> I have less than 1% of my GEDmatch Matches w/o an email. Is this a >>> major >>>>> issue for some? With the doubling of of test takers every 14 months, >>>> I've got >>>>> my hands full (and my TGs runneth over) with new Matches. I'm trying >>>> hard to >>>>> keep up communications - the genealogy part of this puzzle - but am >>>> slipping >>>>> behind. I won't miss the very few w/o emails - maybe this policy will >>>>> convince a few to add their emails. >>>>> >>>>> Jim - www.segmentology.org >>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 13, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Brooks Family via < >>>> genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> /"/ /*Effective December 1, 2015, kits with hidden (private) email >>>>>> addresses// >>>>>> //will no longer be shown in comparison results. If you have a >> hidden >>>>>> email// >>>>>> //address, you can make it visible by clicking on the EDIT link at >>> the >>>>>> bottom// >>>>>> //of your DNA resources box. *// >>>>>> //// >>>>>> //"So will those who have hidden addresses still have access to our >>>>>> data? It// >>>>>> //sound like they will not be able to see the results but not sure >>> if I >>>>> am// >>>>>> //reading this correctly"/ >>>>>> >>>>>> OMG. The way I read this, it instantly makes private all >> email-less >>>>>> kits. It doesn't state that a match list /for that kit /will not >> be >>>>>> generated, just that it will not be on any other kits' match lists. >>>>>> >>>>>> I can see how the change would cut the amount of griping to >> gedmatch, >>>>>> but IMO it doesn't solve the problem. Even if the kit owner >> decided >>> to >>>>>> give the kit an email, there's no requirement to answer an email or >>>>>> share info. I have those now, anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>> Small matches aren't useful if a kit owner is unresponsive - but >>> large >>>>>> matches /are/ even when the owner is unresponsive! They can be used >>> for >>>>>> comparisons. And sometimes I can figure out who they are on the >> site >>>>>> that the kit came from. >>>>>> >>>>>> Good grief. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA- >>>>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >>>> the >>>>> subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Karla Huebner >> calypsospots AT gmail.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Lisa R Franklin RN,BSN > Admin, Franklin Y DNA Project > http://trackingyourroots.com/FranklinGenetics/ > FranklinGenetics@gmail.com > http://trackingyourroots.com/DNA (How To presentation (23andme), tips, & > helps. > > *2**3**&**m**e**: **The World's Largest database & coincidentally the ONLY > one with all the tools you need for genealogy and DNA!--* > http://refer.23andme.com/v2/share/6158544791499756901/4672616e6b6c696e47656e657469637340676d61696c2e636f6d > > BEST GENETIC GENEALOGY BOOK! > http://www.amazon.com/Genetic-Genealogy-Emily-D-Aulicino-ebook/dp/B00HJJWBU2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391174801&sr=8-1&keywords=Genetic+Genealogy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message