Congratulations to all L21ers, and in particular to Richard Stevens. We just crossed over the 4000 members mark. We are the largest R1b subclade haplogroup project by a long shot. Just a few years a go there was no L21 and as Richard started the project there were arguments if L21 would be that significant or not. I think everyone knows this, but L21 is well represented in the National Genographic Project's new Geno 2 Next Generation (NG) fixed SNP product. There are many SNPs in this new product that were discovered by the early bird Big Y testers. I count over 800 SNPs in Geno 2 NG that are in L21. We are going to get some surprises out of this. https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-l21/about/ Regards, Mike W