Businesses are not unlike politicians, and I share Andrea's disliking of gray area marketing claims. As to database size, specifically, here is FTDNA's current statement: "We have the most comprehensive Y chromosome, autosomal, and mitochondrial ancestry DNA database for genetic genealogists!" That's a bit different from "largest" database. I'm sorry I didn't notice the change before bringing up the subject of database size. However, I'm certain that Ancestry is no less guilty than FTDNA of massaging the market. For example, it's all too easy for potential customers, as Ancestry must know, to assume from their cute commercials that AncestryDNA will inform equally about all ancestral lines, including patrilineal. I find Ancestry's commercials well done from an artistic and promotional standpoint but a bit less than honest in what they do NOT say. Loretta -----Original Message----- From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andreas West via Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 8:46 PM To: Jim Bartlett; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DNA] FTDNA's claim to have the largest DNA database is wrong! We had all that discussion before. Database means accessible to match against. Even when you add all up its not the largest. Besides Geno isn't FTDNA, right? I just don't like gray area marketing claims that mislead potential buyers into purchasing decisions. Let's keep to the topic of this email. If you want to discuss response rates, quality of services etc then let's open a new thread. Andreas > On 27 Nov 2015, at 06:52, Jim Bartlett via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Ann > > It is true that 23andMe and AncestryDNA have larger atDNA databases than FTDNA. But it's tricky. I actually have more Matches wth segment data at FTDNA than either of the other two companies. At 23andMe, most of the Matches in their database are Anonymous and/or don't share with us - so what is the benefit of a million plus database if you cannot see the Matches or the data? And every week I get more FTDNA Matches, while 23andMe keeps a cap. And, although I now have over 10,000 Matches at Ancestry, reportedly based on phased data - but what good is that to me in chromosome mapping, triangulation or proving my ancestral lines. I could actually get even more Matches at Ancestry by just researching their Trees - no DNA test needed (since I can't see that data anyway). > > Jim - www.segmentology.org > >> On Nov 26, 2015, at 11:09 AM, Ann Turner via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> But... those are just Y and mtDNA results (until now), and not a very >> high proportion of those are integrated into the FTDNA databases >> accessible to customers. I hope the new Next Generation web pages >> will promote transfers better than previously. I do think some >> people are misled by the statement about having the largest database >> when they're considering where to purchase an autosomal test. >> >> Ann Turner >> >> Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 6:04 AM, Jim Bartlett via >> <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Andreas >>> >>> FTDNA has hundreds of thousands of Geno kits on file, plus some from >>> their science side. I'm not sure what the grand total of all of them are. >>> >>> Jim - www.segmentology.org > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message