Sorry Jim, I misinterpreted. I have heard of the benefits of using such a customized message, but I haven't yet found the energy to do this on a regular basis myself. More generally speaking, regarding the changes, it is sad to see Countries of Ancestry go, which I found to be a very useful tool; but it looks like the new group messaging capability could come in quite handy, particularly with triangulation and determining the common ancestor(s) for clusters of people sharing the same IBD segment: > * Private 1:1 and group messaging > The 23andMe Forums have their own messaging system. You can use private > messaging to exchange more specific info or arrange to share your 23andMe > reports. You can also message multiple people on the same thread, just like > email. > Another consolation for me (completely unrelated to these changes) is that a (previously unknown) first-cousin-once-removed for my grandmother has recently turned up for her 23andMe profile, which will be very interesting to explore. And it will be interesting to see how the dynamics play out with people opting in to open-sharing or new people becoming "public matches". I'm on the optimistic side, and I have been pleasantly surprised with the number of people that ended up becoming "public matches" following the introduction of that feature a few years ago. On the whole, it sounds like the DNA Relatives changes will make process of contacting and analyzing matches easier on the future, with the downside of losing some anonymous matches that may otherwise have responded (eventually). I think the simplification of the contact process along with the removal of anonymous matches may ultimately encourage participation. (My sense is that some of those who are less genealogically inclined may find the DNA Relatives results to be daunting or of questionable validity when they first login to their results and see 1000 or more matches reported as relatives.) On another recent GENEALOGY-DNA thread related to the 23andMe changes, I see that Eric has presented another potentially useful preparation step: canceling and resending invitations to the top matches, in hopes that this may get a few more matches out of the anonymity bucket. I'll probably give this a shot tonight. Greg On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> wrote: > Greg > > Just to clarify, I use my standard message (not the 23andMe one) which > gives my name, email, link to my Public Tree, GEDmatch Kit, and links to > resources for atDNA beginners. I replace the 23andMe message with mine for > each invite - it takes a little longer, but I think it's worth it. It's > tiresome now trying to resend to all by tomorrow night > > Jim - www.segmentology.org > > On Nov 9, 2015, at 11:11 AM, G. Magoon <gregm4584@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks very much Shannon and Jim. Glad to hear that the FI:A/triangulation > capabilities will be retained. > > Jim, to clarify my first question, I was wondering about the > "conversations" in the 23andMe messaging system (with DNA Relatives matches > that accepted contact, but declined sharing name and genome), rather than > the "introductions"/"invitations". The "conversations" with these anonymous > matches can currently be accessed through "View conversation" link (under > "Introduction Accepted") on the right side of the DNA Relatives screen, as > shown in one of the screen captures on Shannon's blog post (or through the > Inbox/Sent/Archived messages). > > As for the introductions/invitations, I'm not sure that the genome sharing > invitation messages can currently be accessed by the sender. But, the > outstanding DNA Relatives introduction messages, can, I think, be accessed > through the "View" link (next to "Cancel"), beneath "Introduction Sent" in > DNA Relatives…I think they also appear in the "Sent" section of the > messaging system. It seems clear that the "introduction" messages will all > be going away with the transformation…but not a big loss from my > perspective…like you, I almost always use the standard introduction, and > even in cases where I didn't, it doesn't contain anything that I don't > already know. > > Greg > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> > wrote: > >> Greg, >> >> I'm curious. In 1) can you see those messages now? I always send a >> standard message, so I know what it says, but I don't know who I am sending >> it to, and don't know of a way to capture a link now. >> >> 23andMe has stated that the FI:A utility will remain - so yes, you should >> still be able to compare B to C. >> >> Since some folks (I hope most of the genealogists) will opt for the >> Public Sharing (like we have at FTDNA and GEDmatch), we will actually be >> getting many more Matches at 23andMe. >> >> >> >> Jim Bartlett >> >> On 11/09/15, G. Magoon via<genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks very much for this, Shannon. I had a couple of questions about the >> changes that I hadn't seen addressed anywhere (my apologies if these are >> already answered somewhere): >> 1) "Soon, any anonymous matches with whom you are not sharing genomes will >> be unreachable." Will we still have access to the old messages sent >> to/from >> these anonymous matches? >> 2) Will we retain the ability to do IBD cross-comparisons between people >> we >> are sharing with? (i.e. if we are sharing with B and sharing with C, will >> we still be able to see segments shared between B and C?) This is a really >> nice feature of the current site (if somewhat cumbersome to use >> extensively) as it can help with figuring out whether a particular match >> is >> on the maternal or paternal side and figuring out who is included in a >> group with a mutually shared IBD segment originating from the same >> ancestor. >> >> Thanks very much in advance, >> Greg >> >> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Shannon Christmas via < >> genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> > Get ready for the new 23andMe. Here's how: >> > >> > >> http://throughthetreesblog.tumblr.com/post/132772718132/prepare-for-the-new-23andme >> > #genealogy >> > >> > Very Respectfully, >> > Shannon >> > -- >> > Mr. Shannon S. Christmas >> > Chief Market Advisor | Design Strategist >> > The Christmas Collective >> > <http://christmascollective.wix.com/the-christmas-collective> >> > Strategic Real Estate and Land Use Solutions >> > New York, NY | Washington, DC >> > P: 212.433.0586 | 202.618.1687 >> > F: 1.888.788.5984 >> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/shannonchristmas/ >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to G >> ENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Greg I agree with you - this is change, with pluses and minuses - and I really believe the pluses for genealogists will out weigh the few minuses. With my Triangulated Groups I've been sending group emails to small groups, but I'm behind on contacting the 23andMe Matches as they are harder to do and are one-at-a-time. Maybe I can quickly catch up next week... Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Nov 9, 2015, at 1:11 PM, G. Magoon <gregm4584@gmail.com> wrote: > > Sorry Jim, I misinterpreted. I have heard of the benefits of using such a customized message, but I haven't yet found the energy to do this on a regular basis myself. > > More generally speaking, regarding the changes, it is sad to see Countries of Ancestry go, which I found to be a very useful tool; but it looks like the new group messaging capability could come in quite handy, particularly with triangulation and determining the common ancestor(s) for clusters of people sharing the same IBD segment: >> * Private 1:1 and group messaging >> The 23andMe Forums have their own messaging system. You can use private messaging to exchange more specific info or arrange to share your 23andMe reports. You can also message multiple people on the same thread, just like email. > > Another consolation for me (completely unrelated to these changes) is that a (previously unknown) first-cousin-once-removed for my grandmother has recently turned up for her 23andMe profile, which will be very interesting to explore. > > And it will be interesting to see how the dynamics play out with people opting in to open-sharing or new people becoming "public matches". I'm on the optimistic side, and I have been pleasantly surprised with the number of people that ended up becoming "public matches" following the introduction of that feature a few years ago. On the whole, it sounds like the DNA Relatives changes will make process of contacting and analyzing matches easier on the future, with the downside of losing some anonymous matches that may otherwise have responded (eventually). I think the simplification of the contact process along with the removal of anonymous matches may ultimately encourage participation. (My sense is that some of those who are less genealogically inclined may find the DNA Relatives results to be daunting or of questionable validity when they first login to their results and see 1000 or more matches reported as relatives.) > > On another recent GENEALOGY-DNA thread related to the 23andMe changes, I see that Eric has presented another potentially useful preparation step: canceling and resending invitations to the top matches, in hopes that this may get a few more matches out of the anonymity bucket. I'll probably give this a shot tonight. > > Greg > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> wrote: >> Greg >> >> Just to clarify, I use my standard message (not the 23andMe one) which gives my name, email, link to my Public Tree, GEDmatch Kit, and links to resources for atDNA beginners. I replace the 23andMe message with mine for each invite - it takes a little longer, but I think it's worth it. It's tiresome now trying to resend to all by tomorrow night >> >> Jim - www.segmentology.org >> >>> On Nov 9, 2015, at 11:11 AM, G. Magoon <gregm4584@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks very much Shannon and Jim. Glad to hear that the FI:A/triangulation capabilities will be retained. >>> >>> Jim, to clarify my first question, I was wondering about the "conversations" in the 23andMe messaging system (with DNA Relatives matches that accepted contact, but declined sharing name and genome), rather than the "introductions"/"invitations". The "conversations" with these anonymous matches can currently be accessed through "View conversation" link (under "Introduction Accepted") on the right side of the DNA Relatives screen, as shown in one of the screen captures on Shannon's blog post (or through the Inbox/Sent/Archived messages). >>> >>> As for the introductions/invitations, I'm not sure that the genome sharing invitation messages can currently be accessed by the sender. But, the outstanding DNA Relatives introduction messages, can, I think, be accessed through the "View" link (next to "Cancel"), beneath "Introduction Sent" in DNA Relatives…I think they also appear in the "Sent" section of the messaging system. It seems clear that the "introduction" messages will all be going away with the transformation…but not a big loss from my perspective…like you, I almost always use the standard introduction, and even in cases where I didn't, it doesn't contain anything that I don't already know. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> wrote: >>>> Greg, >>>> >>>> I'm curious. In 1) can you see those messages now? I always send a standard message, so I know what it says, but I don't know who I am sending it to, and don't know of a way to capture a link now. >>>> >>>> 23andMe has stated that the FI:A utility will remain - so yes, you should still be able to compare B to C. >>>> >>>> Since some folks (I hope most of the genealogists) will opt for the Public Sharing (like we have at FTDNA and GEDmatch), we will actually be getting many more Matches at 23andMe. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jim Bartlett >>>> >>>> On 11/09/15, G. Magoon via<genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks very much for this, Shannon. I had a couple of questions about the >>>> changes that I hadn't seen addressed anywhere (my apologies if these are >>>> already answered somewhere): >>>> 1) "Soon, any anonymous matches with whom you are not sharing genomes will >>>> be unreachable." Will we still have access to the old messages sent to/from >>>> these anonymous matches? >>>> 2) Will we retain the ability to do IBD cross-comparisons between people we >>>> are sharing with? (i.e. if we are sharing with B and sharing with C, will >>>> we still be able to see segments shared between B and C?) This is a really >>>> nice feature of the current site (if somewhat cumbersome to use >>>> extensively) as it can help with figuring out whether a particular match is >>>> on the maternal or paternal side and figuring out who is included in a >>>> group with a mutually shared IBD segment originating from the same ancestor. >>>> >>>> Thanks very much in advance, >>>> Greg >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Shannon Christmas via < >>>> genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Get ready for the new 23andMe. Here's how: >>>> > >>>> > http://throughthetreesblog.tumblr.com/post/132772718132/prepare-for-the-new-23andme >>>> > #genealogy >>>> > >>>> > Very Respectfully, >>>> > Shannon >>>> > -- >>>> > Mr. Shannon S. Christmas >>>> > Chief Market Advisor | Design Strategist >>>> > The Christmas Collective >>>> > <http://christmascollective.wix.com/the-christmas-collective> >>>> > Strategic Real Estate and Land Use Solutions >>>> > New York, NY | Washington, DC >>>> > P: 212.433.0586 | 202.618.1687 >>>> > F: 1.888.788.5984 >>>> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/shannonchristmas/ >>>> > >>>> > ------------------------------- >>>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> > >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >