It has no value as you will never find out on which chromosome and segment you match. As he/she isn't interested in genealogy. We have to accept that there are lots of people on 23andme that took the test for health concerns only. Also, as much as I love our hobby I also accepted that it's wrong to evangelize everyone how wonderful it is. Some people just don't want and the solution by 23andme is the best IMO. Let them have their peace. Andreas > On 8 Nov 2015, at 03:15, Jim Bartlett via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > John > > You got me. You win! > > Jim - www.segmentology.org > >> On Nov 7, 2015, at 2:09 PM, jlerch1 via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Someone asked so what's not to like about losing all the ANONYMOUS Matches. Well: >> There have been multiple times when I got a match with someone and NO ONE with whom I was Sharing matched that person. So I went to COuntries of Ancestry and Lo and Behold, both of us had 1 or more Anonymous matches with grandparent profiles LIKE >> (Vanuatu, Israel, Latvia, Slovakia). >> Now for those of you not getting it, how likely is that 2 person were to have that profile? So I reported the good news to that person that yes our match was corroborated even though I had no idea with whom. >> Under the new system, those persons are just going to have to be uncorroborated and maybe that person will stop Sharing. And if Jim B is correct that persons might be Anonymous to everyone but those with whom they Share, that person might totally drop off my list and I'll NEVER be able to write to him on 23 again. >> John L >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I guess I wasn't clear  about the Anonymous persons with whom we match. The corroboration happens because on Countries of Ancestry as presently constructed I and my match who has no other corroboration BOTH MATCH the Anonymous person with supposed grandparent profile (Vanuatu, Israel, Latvia, Slovakia) ==>AT THE SAME SPOT my uncorroborated match and I match> There have been multiple times when I got a match with someone and NO ONE with whom I was Sharing matched that person. So I went to COuntries of Ancestry and Lo and Behold, both of us had 1 or more Anonymous matches with grandparent profiles LIKE >> (Vanuatu, Israel, Latvia, Slovakia). Now for those of you not >> getting it, how likely is that 2 person were to have that profile? >> So I reported the good news to that person that yes our match was >> corroborated even though I had no idea with whom. Under the new >> system, those persons are just going to have to be uncorroborated >> and maybe that person will stop Sharing. And if Jim B is correct >> that persons might be Anonymous to everyone but those with whom they >> Share, that person might totally drop off my list and I'll NEVER be >> able to write to him on 23 again. John L >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It all depends why you're doing DNA genealogy. My goal is not only triangulation or corroborating of matches as IBD. I want to find the common ancestor as well and verify my family tree and correct/expand it. Is it 100% verified that you triangulate with a CoA match if you and another person (so all three of you) match on that same segment? But even then you can't communicate with that person. Andreas > On 9 Nov 2015, at 01:19, jlerch1@lighttube.net wrote: > > I guess I wasn't clear about the Anonymous persons with whom we match. The corroboration happens because on Countries of Ancestry as presently constructed I and my match who has no other corroboration BOTH MATCH the Anonymous person with supposed grandparent profile > (Vanuatu, Israel, Latvia, Slovakia) > ==>AT THE SAME SPOT my uncorroborated match and I match<==. As Jim B said, he (and I) on occassion even figured out who an anonymous person was. > Bottom line: I probably won't mind the new 23&Me setup. It's just that 23's various pronouncements are sufficiently ambiguous that unless they're saving a backup to the present setup, there potentially could be a lot of unhappy people here on genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com. > BTW the procedure above for corroborating my uncorroborated match worked better before 23 changed their protocol several months ago by increasing the weighting for grandparents with a profile of (4X Same Country) and (3X Same Country). > > > On Sun, 8 Nov 2015 16:38:18 +0800, Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> wrote: > It has no value as you will never find out on which chromosome and segment you match. As he/she isn't interested in genealogy. > > We have to accept that there are lots of people on 23andme that took the test for health concerns only. > > Also, as much as I love our hobby I also accepted that it's wrong to evangelize everyone how wonderful it is. Some people just don't want and the solution by 23andme is the best IMO. Let them have their peace. > > Andreas > > > On 8 Nov 2015, at 03:15, Jim Bartlett via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > John > > > > You got me. You win! > > > > Jim - www.segmentology.org > > > >> On Nov 7, 2015, at 2:09 PM, jlerch1 via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> > >> Someone asked so what's not to like about losing all the ANONYMOUS Matches. Well: > >> There have been multiple times when I got a match with someone and NO ONE with whom I was Sharing matched that person. So I went to COuntries of Ancestry and Lo and Behold, both of us had 1 or more Anonymous matches with grandparent profiles LIKE > >> (Vanuatu, Israel, Latvia, Slovakia). > >> Now for those of you not getting it, how likely is that 2 person were to have that profile? So I reported the good news to that person that yes our match was corroborated even though I had no idea with whom. > >> Under the new system, those persons are just going to have to be uncorroborated and maybe that person will stop Sharing. And if Jim B is correct that persons might be Anonymous to everyone but those with whom they Share, that person might totally drop off my list and I'll NEVER be able to write to him on 23 again. > >> John L > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Dear Andreas, The answer to your question depends on a number of variables. The longer the HIR in CoA that people are triangulating on the higher the probability that you truly share DNA with the other people in question. This really boils down to the IBS/IBD statistics that we have discussed on this list a number of times previously. As a general rule HIRs over 15 cMs and containing at least 2000 SNPs will be IBD and so any group of people who triangulate on an HIR with these criteria will truly share the DNA segment in question. When people are triangulating on fairly short HIRs such as those with only 5 cMs and 500 SNPs then there is a strong possibility that some of the people in the triangulated group won't actually share DNA with each other, particularly if the group only has 3 or 4 people in it. When in doubt try to use phased data in GEDmatch for the comparisons if that is feasible. Sincerely, Tim Janzen -----Original Message----- From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andreas West via Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 8:10 PM To: jlerch1@lighttube.net Cc: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DNA] value of the present Countries of Ancestry Is it 100% verified that you triangulate with a CoA match if you and another person (so all three of you) match on that same segment? Andreas

We all have different goals for doing DNA genealogy. Some can occasionally by hard work extract a small benefit from anonymous matches, so anonymous matches can have a benefit for some people. In my view, if some extract some benefit from anonymous matches, they are worth keeping in the system. Sometimes we have very little information to work with, and we have to grasp any small anonymous crumb we can find. John. Sent from my iPad > On 9/11/2015, at 5:09 pm, Andreas West via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > It all depends why you're doing DNA genealogy. My goal is not only triangulation or corroborating of matches as IBD. I want to find the common ancestor as well and verify my family tree and correct/expand it. > > Is it 100% verified that you triangulate with a CoA match if you and another person (so all three of you) match on that same segment? > > But even then you can't communicate with that person. > > Andreas > >> On 9 Nov 2015, at 01:19, jlerch1@lighttube.net wrote: >> >> I guess I wasn't clear about the Anonymous persons with whom we match. The corroboration happens because on Countries of Ancestry as presently constructed I and my match who has no other corroboration BOTH MATCH the Anonymous person with supposed grandparent profile >> (Vanuatu, Israel, Latvia, Slovakia) >> ==>AT THE SAME SPOT my uncorroborated match and I match<==. As Jim B said, he (and I) on occassion even figured out who an anonymous person was. >> Bottom line: I probably won't mind the new 23&Me setup. It's just that 23's various pronouncements are sufficiently ambiguous that unless they're saving a backup to the present setup, there potentially could be a lot of unhappy people here on genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com. >> BTW the procedure above for corroborating my uncorroborated match worked better before 23 changed their protocol several months ago by increasing the weighting for grandparents with a profile of (4X Same Country) and (3X Same Country). >> >> >> On Sun, 8 Nov 2015 16:38:18 +0800, Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> wrote: >> It has no value as you will never find out on which chromosome and segment you match. As he/she isn't interested in genealogy. >> >> We have to accept that there are lots of people on 23andme that took the test for health concerns only. >> >> Also, as much as I love our hobby I also accepted that it's wrong to evangelize everyone how wonderful it is. Some people just don't want and the solution by 23andme is the best IMO. Let them have their peace. >> >> Andreas >> >>> On 8 Nov 2015, at 03:15, Jim Bartlett via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>> >>> John >>> >>> You got me. You win! >>> >>> Jim - www.segmentology.org >>> >>>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 2:09 PM, jlerch1 via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Someone asked so what's not to like about losing all the ANONYMOUS Matches. Well: >>>> There have been multiple times when I got a match with someone and NO ONE with whom I was Sharing matched that person. So I went to COuntries of Ancestry and Lo and Behold, both of us had 1 or more Anonymous matches with grandparent profiles LIKE >>>> (Vanuatu, Israel, Latvia, Slovakia). >>>> Now for those of you not getting it, how likely is that 2 person were to have that profile? So I reported the good news to that person that yes our match was corroborated even though I had no idea with whom. >>>> Under the new system, those persons are just going to have to be uncorroborated and maybe that person will stop Sharing. And if Jim B is correct that persons might be Anonymous to everyone but those with whom they Share, that person might totally drop off my list and I'll NEVER be able to write to him on 23 again. >>>> John L >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message