I know the answer to that question. This is covered in page 65 and elsewhere in my book, "The Slave Children of Thomas Jefferson". Thomas Jefferson went to France in 1784. He took with him his eldest daughter Martha and one of his most important slaves James Hemings. In 1785 he was appointed US Minister to France. His wife Martha Wayles had given birth to six children but three of them had already died. Martha Wayles herself died in 1781. In 1785 the youngest remaining child of Martha Wayles, Lucy Jefferson, died in an epidemic of whooping cough. This made Jefferson fearful that his remaining child was at risk. He wrote a letter dated September 20, 1785 directing that his last remaining child Maria also called Polly be sent to him in France and that one of his slaves, whom he called his servants be sent with her, and that it be one who had already had smallpox and therefore would be immune. He suggested that Isabel, a slave who had already had small pox, be sent with Maria. However, Isabel was in the late stages of pregnancy could not go. Also, Maria did not want to go. Sally Hemings was the same age as Maria and was her playmate. The way that they got Maria to go in 1786 was they tricked her. They got her to play with her friend Sally on the ship which was at anchor. After playing for a while, the children fell asleep. The ship then cast off and when the children awoke they were far out at sea and could not return, The ship took them to England. There they were met by John Adams and his wife Abigail Adams who were friends with Jefferson at that time. Abigail was appalled upon learning that Sally was a slave as she was against slavery. She wanted Sally to be sent back to Virginia. Nevertheless, the children were sent off to France. Research by Fawn Brodie in her book Thomas Jefferson an Intimate History suggests that the sexual relationship between Thomas Jefferson and Sally started three years later in April, 1789 because Thomas Jefferson started buying Sally clothing and jewelry then. This was after she had already been in France for three years. In his interview, Madison Hemings says that Sally was pregnant when she and Thomas Jefferson returned to America in 1789. She gave birth but the child did not live long, said Madison. Thomas Jefferson kept detailed records of his slaves in his Farm Book and in his Accounts Book. This is why we know so much about him and his slaves. His Farm Book makes no mention of him having a slave named Tom. It shows that Sally Hemings gave birth to five children. He calls her Sally 73 meaning she was born in 1773 and thus was 16 when she returned to America in 1789. Her eldest child in the Farm Book is Beverley 98 (a boy, as Beverly was then used as a boys name). Subsequent children were Harriet I (who died) Harriet II born 1801, Madison born 1805 and Eston 1808. These last three were born while Thomas Jefferson was in the White House. This has left some to suggest that Thomas Jefferson could not have been their father because he was in Washington DC at that time. However, research by Fawn Brodie established that Thomas Jefferson went back to Montecello for a visit just exactly nine months before each child was born. Maria died on April 17, 1804 and Thomas Jefferson went to Montecello for the funeral. On January 19, 1805, exactly nine months later, Sally gave birth to Madison Hemings. The situation was confused by James Thompson Callender, a muckraker who started writing newspaper articles attacking Jefferson while Jefferson was president about Sally and her “high yellow” son named Tom. This is how the story about Tommy and Sally became famous in the press while Jefferson was president. This issue has come up many times over the last two hundred years and has never gone away. The book “The Five Negro Presidents” by J. A. Rogers published in 1965 cites a slander sheet published by the opposition while Jefferson was running for president saying “Tom Jefferson, son of a half-breed Indian Squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father”. It was actually this book that got me to start researching this. I did a lot of research of Thomas Jefferson's Father Peter Jefferson. He was said to have ancestry “from Wales”. However, I was never able to find a ship passenger list showing that anybody named Jefferson had ever come to America or had lived in Wales. Since the DNA type of Thomas Jefferson exists almost entirely in Africa there is a real possibility that he had part African ancestry. At the time of these DNA tests, autosomal DNA testing had not been developed. Thus we only had Y-DNA testing and this was very primitive by current standards. The situation was muddled up by Minnie Shumate Woodson. I personally corresponded with her while she was alive. She had a theory that her husband's ancestor Tom Woodson was THE Tom who had been Fathered by Thomas Jefferson. However, her belief was merely conjecture. Tom Woodson had been raised on a farm near Fredericksburg Virginia. Minnie believed that he had been sent there to hide him from the newspaper reporters after this scandal had broken in the press. However, there was no evidence to support this theory. Then at age 16 he had married a woman in her late 20s named Jamima and sent to what became West Virginia where he became the patriarch of a large family. The descendants of Tom Woodson who are great in number have been DNA tested and the results have been negative proving that Tom Woodson was NOT the son of Thomas Jefferson. However, another researcher, Judith Price Justus, found a descendant of Eston Hemings in Madison Wisconsin and he was tested and this showed his DNA as being consistent with being a descendant of Thomas Jefferson. My question that started this conversation is what happened to these DNA tests. There were tests taken with descendants of Field Jefferson, descendants of Thomas Jefferson and descendants of Tom Woodson. Now that we know much more about DNA testing than we knew back in 1998 why cannot these results be made available and posted on gedmatch dot com so we can all determine for ourselves the truth of this matter and find out if we are related to these people. Sam Sloan On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Belinda Dettmann < belindadettmann@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > There is little doubt that a male Jefferson fathered Eston Hemmings. The > only doubt is which one. I don’t have a vested interest in this but I > wondered if any of the candidates other than Thomas Jefferson followed > Sally to Paris. -Belinda > > > > *From:* Sam Sloan [mailto:samhsloan@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, 15 October 2015 3:54 PM > *To:* Belinda Dettmann <belindadettmann@optusnet.com.au> > *Cc:* genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > *Subject:* Re: [DNA] Have new DNA tests been one on the Thomas Jefferson > Sally Hemings Controversy? > > > > My book The Slave Children of Thomas Jefferson ISBN 1-881373-02-9 went > into this subject in great detail > > http://www.amazon.com/dp/1881373029 > > Detractors and apologists have long claimed it could have been some other > relative such as the Carr Brothers, sons of Jeffersons sister, but they > are eliminated as candidates because women do not carry Y-DNA. > > Almost all of the other Jeffersons are eliminated because they were far > away ether in time or distance and never came to Monticello. > > There was only one other Jefferson who could possibly have been the > culpret. That was his younger brother Randolph Jefferson who did > occasionally visit Monticello but nobody who knew him ever suggested that > such a relationship was likely. > > Sam Sloan > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Belinda Dettmann < > belindadettmann@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > I thought the match did not necessarily prove Thomas Jefferson himself was > the father Eston Hemmings but it could equally well have been any of > Jefferson's cousins or nephews. -Belinda > > -----Original Message----- > From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sam Sloan via > Sent: Thursday, 15 October 2015 3:16 PM > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com; DNA-NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com; > DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DNA] Have new DNA tests been one on the Thomas Jefferson Sally > Hemings Controversy? > > In 1998 a DNA test was done on descendants of Eston Hemings son of Sally > Hemings and on descendants of Field Jefferson uncle of Thomas Jefferson. > > The result was a match indicating that Thomas Jefferson was the father of > at > least one of the children of Thomas Jefferson. > > However, at that time only 8 haplogroups were tested as back then DNA > testing was primitive as compared to today when 111 groups were tested. > > My question is whether these tests have been upgraded in the 17 years since > the first tests were done. It seems strange that there have been no further > reports on this subject. > > I wrote one of the early books on this subject.The Slave Children of Thomas > Jefferson ISBN 1-881373-02-9 > > http://www.amazon.com/dp/1881373029 > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson%E2%80%93Hemings_controversy > > Sam Sloan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >