Explain why it would matter that a person is a "male-line" descendant of Sally Hemmings? I suppose to do the Y test, but you can also do atDNA tests that would show conclusively the cousinship of living people It's true that two fourth cousins might not match at all, but a triangulated group of say four of them would certainly match somewhere -----Original Message----- From: Sam Sloan via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: DNAAdoption <DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com> Cc: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com>; DNA-NEWBIE <DNA-NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Oct 18, 2015 6:44 am Subject: Re: [DNA] [DNAAdoption] Have new DNA tests been one on the Thomas Jefferson Sally Hemings Controversy? Tomas Jefferson's oldest surviving daughter Martha had 13 children and his next surviving daughter Maria also called Polly had two children before her early death probably from breast cancer. When I studied this subject as I was writing my book "The Slave Children of Thomas Jefferson" I found more than one thousand descendants of Martha and Maria Jefferson. One of these was Professor George Shackleford, a professor of history of Virginia Polytechnic University who often wrote articles "defending" Thomas Jefferson. He is probably no longer with us as he was already elderly when I wrote the book in 1993 but he may have descendants. Similarly Tom Woodson has more than one thousand descendants at least one of whom has written a book about this. However, there is only one male line descendant of Sally Hemings that we know about. That is the grandson of Eston Hemings. The most interesting person to test would be Edward Graham Jefferson. He was born in 1921. His father was Edward Hemmings Jefferson (with two mms) and his grandfather was Beverley Jefferson the presumed son of Sally Hemings. Edward Graham Jefferson had a Ph.D. in chemistry and was the Chairman of DuPont Chemical Corp. He had two sons, born in England. He is dead now but perhaps his sons can be located. He was asked to take a DNA test while he was alive but he refused. He said that all his life he had been bothered by people asking if he was a descendant of Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings and he was not going to respond to these inquiries or participate in any way. However, now that he is gone perhaps his sons or his grandchildren will agree. Sam Sloan On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:12 AM, 'Patty' searchangelpatty@gmail.com [DNAAdoption] <DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > You might want to consult with Cece on that > > > > > http://blog.23andme.com/23andme-customer-stories/dna-tests-uncover-african-ancestry-and-surprising-connection-to-thomas-jefferson/ > > > > As a result, I am spearheading an autosomal DNA project on the descendants > of Sally Hemings. Although it is now generally recognized that Thomas > Jefferson fathered all of Sally Hemings’ children, it has been impossible > to determine with certainty. The introduction of autosomal DNA testing has > changed this. Through autosomal DNA testing of specific individuals, I hope > to be able to demonstrate that the descendants of Sally Hemings share > blocks of DNA with Jefferson’s “legitimate” descendants. If it is not > possible to procure DNA from any of these known descendants, I will seek > DNA from descendants of individuals one step further back in Thomas > Jefferson’s pedigree in an attempt to show that Sally’s descendants possess > DNA from Jefferson’s ancestral lines. Since autosomal DNA undergoes random > recombination with each successive generation, it will be necessary to test > the oldest living descendants of these lines. DNA is the perfect tool for > this because it does not harbor any prejudice or predetermined notions. > Anyone who fits these parameters should contact me at > yourgeneticgenealogist@gmail.com.] > > > > *From:* DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, October 15, 2015 12:16 AM > *To:* genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com; DNA-NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com; > DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [DNAAdoption] Have new DNA tests been one on the Thomas > Jefferson Sally Hemings Controversy? > > > > > > In 1998 a DNA test was done on descendants of Eston Hemings son of Sally > Hemings and on descendants of Field Jefferson uncle of Thomas Jefferson. > > The result was a match indicating that Thomas Jefferson was the father of > at least one of the children of Thomas Jefferson. > > However, at that time only 8 haplogroups were tested as back then DNA > testing was primitive as compared to today when 111 groups were tested. > > My question is whether these tests have been upgraded in the 17 years > since the first tests were done. It seems strange that there have been no > further reports on this subject. > > I wrote one of the early books on this subject.The Slave Children of > Thomas Jefferson ISBN 1-881373-02-9 > > http://www.amazon.com/dp/1881373029 > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson%E2%80%93Hemings_controversy > > Sam Sloan > > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------ > Posted by: "Patty" <searchangelpatty@gmail.com> > ------------------------------ > Reply via web post > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/conversations/messages/57583;_ylc=X3oDMTJyMzZpZTkwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRtc2dJZAM1NzU4MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTU-?act=reply&messageNum=57583> > • Reply to sender > <searchangelpatty@gmail.com?subject=RE%3A%20%5BDNAAdoption%5D%20Have%20new%20DNA%20tests%20been%20one%20on%20the%20Thomas%20Jefferson%20Sally%20Hemings%20Controversy%3F> > • Reply to group > <DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE%3A%20%5BDNAAdoption%5D%20Have%20new%20DNA%20tests%20been%20one%20on%20the%20Thomas%20Jefferson%20Sally%20Hemings%20Controversy%3F> > • Start a New Topic > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMnYydWE4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTU-> > • Messages in this topic > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/conversations/topics/57453;_ylc=X3oDMTM3ZHZyN2UyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRtc2dJZAM1NzU4MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTUEdHBjSWQDNTc0NTM-> > (5) > Visit Your Group > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmNW9rMDM3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTU-> > > - New Members > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJnaG5mNG1jBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxNDQ1MTY3NTU1> > 12 > > [image: Yahoo! 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Because back in 1998 when the highly publicized tests were done, autosomal DNA testing did not yet exist or else was an a primitive state. Therefore the test that proved that Thomas Jefferson was the father of at least one of the children of Sally Hemings had to be a Y-DNA test. They tested only eight sites and as I recall one of those was not a perfect match. Now that we have autosomal testing and since Thomas Jefferson died in 1826 and had his children between 1789 and 1805 which is well within the range of autosomal testing we can go back and get a far more conclusive determination as to whether Thomas Jefferson was or was not the real father. Sam Sloan On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> wrote: > Explain why it would matter that a person is a "male-line" descendant of > Sally Hemmings? > I suppose to do the Y test, but you can also do atDNA tests that would > show conclusively the cousinship of living people > > It's true that two fourth cousins might not match at all, but a > triangulated group of say four of them would certainly match somewhere > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Sloan via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > To: DNAAdoption <DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com> > Cc: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com>; DNA-NEWBIE < > DNA-NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sun, Oct 18, 2015 6:44 am > Subject: Re: [DNA] [DNAAdoption] Have new DNA tests been one on the Thomas > Jefferson Sally Hemings Controversy? > > Tomas Jefferson's oldest surviving daughter Martha had 13 children and his > next > surviving daughter Maria also called Polly had two children before her > early > death probably from breast cancer. > > When I studied this subject as I was writing > my book "The Slave Children of > Thomas Jefferson" I found more than one thousand > descendants of Martha and > Maria Jefferson. One of these was Professor George > Shackleford, a professor > of history of Virginia Polytechnic University who often > wrote articles > "defending" Thomas Jefferson. He is probably no longer with us as > he was > already elderly when I wrote the book in 1993 but he may have > descendants. > > Similarly Tom Woodson has more than one thousand descendants at > least one > of whom has written a book about this. > > However, there is only one > male line descendant of Sally Hemings that we > know about. That is the grandson > of Eston Hemings. > > The most interesting person to test would be Edward Graham > Jefferson. He > was born in 1921. His father was Edward Hemmings Jefferson (with > two mms) > and his grandfather was Beverley Jefferson the presumed son of > Sally > Hemings. Edward Graham Jefferson had a Ph.D. in chemistry and was > the > Chairman of DuPont Chemical Corp. He had two sons, born in England. He > is > dead now but perhaps his sons can be located. He was asked to take a DNA > test > while he was alive but he refused. He said that all his life he had > been > bothered by people asking if he was a descendant of Thomas Jefferson > and Sally > Hemings and he was not going to respond to these inquiries or > participate in any > way. However, now that he is gone perhaps his sons or > his grandchildren will > agree. > > Sam Sloan > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:12 AM, 'Patty'searchangelpatty@gmail.com > [DNAAdoption] <DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > You might want to consult with Cece on that > > > > > > > > > >http://blog.23andme.com/23andme-customer-stories/dna-tests-uncover-african-ancestry-and-surprising-connection-to-thomas-jefferson/ > > > > > > > > > As a result, I am spearheading an autosomal DNA project on the descendants > > of > Sally Hemings. Although it is now generally recognized that Thomas > > Jefferson > fathered all of Sally Hemings’ children, it has been impossible > > to determine > with certainty. The introduction of autosomal DNA testing has > > changed this. > Through autosomal DNA testing of specific individuals, I hope > > to be able to > demonstrate that the descendants of Sally Hemings share > > blocks of DNA with > Jefferson’s “legitimate” descendants. If it is not > > possible to procure DNA > from any of these known descendants, I will seek > > DNA from descendants of > individuals one step further back in Thomas > > Jefferson’s pedigree in an attempt > to show that Sally’s descendants possess > > DNA from Jefferson’s ancestral lines. > Since autosomal DNA undergoes random > > recombination with each successive > generation, it will be necessary to test > > the oldest living descendants of > these lines. DNA is the perfect tool for > > this because it does not harbor any > prejudice or predetermined notions. > > Anyone who fits these parameters should > contact me at > > yourgeneticgenealogist@gmail.com > .] > > > > > > > > *From:*DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com <DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com?>] > > *Sent:* > Thursday, October 15, 2015 12:16 AM > > *To:* genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com;DNA-NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com; > > DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com > > *Subject:* > [DNAAdoption] Have new DNA tests been one on the Thomas > > Jefferson Sally > Hemings Controversy? > > > > > > > > > > > > In 1998 a DNA test was done on descendants of > Eston Hemings son of Sally > > Hemings and on descendants of Field Jefferson uncle > of Thomas Jefferson. > > > > The result was a match indicating that Thomas Jefferson > was the father of > > at least one of the children of Thomas Jefferson. > > > > > However, at that time only 8 haplogroups were tested as back then DNA > > testing > was primitive as compared to today when 111 groups were tested. > > > > My question > is whether these tests have been upgraded in the 17 years > > since the first > tests were done. It seems strange that there have been no > > further reports on > this subject. > > > > I wrote one of the early books on this subject.The Slave > Children of > > Thomas Jefferson ISBN 1-881373-02-9 > > > >http://www.amazon.com/dp/1881373029 > > > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson%E2%80%93Hemings_controversy > > > > Sam > Sloan > > > > __._,_.___ > > ------------------------------ > > Posted by: "Patty" > <searchangelpatty@gmail.com> > > ------------------------------ > > Reply via web > post > > > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/conversations/messages/57583;_ylc=X3oDMTJyMzZpZTkwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRtc2dJZAM1NzU4MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTU-?act=reply&messageNum=57583> > > > • Reply to sender > > > <searchangelpatty@gmail.com?subject=RE%3A%20%5BDNAAdoption%5D%20Have%20new%20DNA%20tests%20been%20one%20on%20the%20Thomas%20Jefferson%20Sally%20Hemings%20Controversy%3F> > > > • Reply to group > > > <DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE%3A%20%5BDNAAdoption%5D%20Have%20new%20DNA%20tests%20been%20one%20on%20the%20Thomas%20Jefferson%20Sally%20Hemings%20Controversy%3F> > > > • Start a New Topic > > > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMnYydWE4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTU-> > > > • Messages in this topic > > > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/conversations/topics/57453;_ylc=X3oDMTM3ZHZyN2UyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRtc2dJZAM1NzU4MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTUEdHBjSWQDNTc0NTM-> > > > (5) > > Visit Your Group > > > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmNW9rMDM3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTU-> > > > > > - New Members > > > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJnaG5mNG1jBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxNDQ1MTY3NTU1> > > > 12 > > > > [image: Yahoo! 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