New Year Challenge: R1b in Cameroon Among our samples collected by Mathew on his last field trips we have found the following two haplotypes: http://www.yseq.net/R1bCameroonChallenge.html Note that Y-GATA-H4 is in the NIST standard. If you want to compare them to FTDNA you need to subtract 1. The haplogroup predictors clearly claim 100% R1b. Now the question is: How did those two Y chromosomes find their way to Sub-Saharan Africa? Could it be that some Europeans have left their traces during colonization times? Well, if you're familiar with R1b in Europe, the haplotypes still look a little bit strange. Also we keep finding R1b distribution maps that highlight an R1b hot-spot in Northern Cameroon: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b Wikipedia characterizes the hotspot in Northern Cameroon as R1b-V88. However V88 is in a region of the Y chromosome that is 97.9% identical to ChrX, so it wouldn't qualify for a stable marker according to the newest ISOGG guidelines. I'd rather prefer to test stable known SNPs that independently proof the association with the North African and Arabic regions. I'd like to involve you, the R1b experts to use your knowledge and experience to solve this mystery in a group effort. At the same time I'd like to give the A00 Cameroon Research Project another push for donations. So here are the rules of the game: YSEQ will do free SNP tests on those 2 samples if you donate an equal amount ($17.50 per SNP) to Bonnie Schrack's A00 Cameroon Research project. http://experiment.com/a00west When you make the donation, send Bonnie and myself an email thomas@yseq.net, bonnieschrack@gmail.com with the marker you want to sponsor and the YSEQ ID it should be tested for. The marker must be available in the YSEQ catalog: https://www.yseq.net/ or at least we must have the primers in stock so that we can quickly test them. Ask us for a distinct SNP if you're unsure. We will process the SNPs in the very next batch and release the results to the public. You can keep sponsoring the next round when the results come in. But note that the A00 Cameroon project deadline at experiment.com is on January 6th! So there are only 5 days left to submit your suggested SNP and the associated sample ID. The Prize: The researcher who submits the most downstream positive SNP first will win a free Haplogroup Panel at YSEQ which he can use for a person of his choice. Since there are two samples, there are two Haplogroup Panels that you can win! Good luck and Happy New Year! Thomas

Can I add this information to my blog post on this? Or even do another post I am personally fascinated by all this ... http://blog.kittycooper.com/2015/12/end-of-year-giving/ --------------------------------------------------------------- Kitty Munson Cooper, web developer,programmer, San Diego,CA genetic genealogy blog at http://blog.kittycooper.com/ family history and genealogy at http://kittymunson.com On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Thomas Krahn via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > wrote: > New Year Challenge: R1b in Cameroon > > Among our samples collected by Mathew on his last field trips we have > found the following two haplotypes: > > http://www.yseq.net/R1bCameroonChallenge.html > > Note that Y-GATA-H4 is in the NIST standard. If you want to compare them > to FTDNA you need to subtract 1. The haplogroup predictors clearly claim > 100% R1b. > > Now the question is: How did those two Y chromosomes find their way to > Sub-Saharan Africa? Could it be that some Europeans have left their > traces during colonization times? > > Well, if you're familiar with R1b in Europe, the haplotypes still look a > little bit strange. > > Also we keep finding R1b distribution maps that highlight an R1b > hot-spot in Northern Cameroon: > http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b > > Wikipedia characterizes the hotspot in Northern Cameroon as R1b-V88. > However V88 is in a region of the Y chromosome that is 97.9% identical > to ChrX, so it wouldn't qualify for a stable marker according to the > newest ISOGG guidelines. I'd rather prefer to test stable known SNPs > that independently proof the association with the North African and > Arabic regions. > > I'd like to involve you, the R1b experts to use your knowledge and > experience to solve this mystery in a group effort. At the same time I'd > like to give the A00 Cameroon Research Project another push for donations. > > So here are the rules of the game: > > YSEQ will do free SNP tests on those 2 samples if you donate an equal > amount ($17.50 per SNP) to Bonnie Schrack's A00 Cameroon Research project. > > http://experiment.com/a00west > > When you make the donation, send Bonnie and myself an email > thomas@yseq.net, bonnieschrack@gmail.com with the marker you want to > sponsor and the YSEQ ID it should be tested for. The marker must be > available in the YSEQ catalog: > > https://www.yseq.net/ > > or at least we must have the primers in stock so that we can quickly > test them. Ask us for a distinct SNP if you're unsure. > > We will process the SNPs in the very next batch and release the results > to the public. You can keep sponsoring the next round when the results > come in. But note that the A00 Cameroon project deadline at > experiment.com is on January 6th! So there are only 5 days left to > submit your suggested SNP and the associated sample ID. > > The Prize: > > The researcher who submits the most downstream positive SNP first will > win a free Haplogroup Panel at YSEQ which he can use for a person of his > choice. Since there are two samples, there are two Haplogroup Panels > that you can win! > > Good luck and Happy New Year! > > Thomas > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Absolutely. Thanks for spreading the word. Thomas On 01/03/2016 02:31 AM, Kitty Cooper wrote: > Can I add this information to my blog post on this? Or even do another > post > I am personally fascinated by all this ... > > http://blog.kittycooper.com/2015/12/end-of-year-giving/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Kitty Munson Cooper, web developer,programmer, San Diego,CA > > genetic genealogy blog at http://blog.kittycooper.com/ > family history and genealogy at http://kittymunson.com > > On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Thomas Krahn via > <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com <mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com>> wrote: > > New Year Challenge: R1b in Cameroon > > Among our samples collected by Mathew on his last field trips we have > found the following two haplotypes: > > http://www.yseq.net/R1bCameroonChallenge.html > > Note that Y-GATA-H4 is in the NIST standard. If you want to > compare them > to FTDNA you need to subtract 1. The haplogroup predictors clearly > claim > 100% R1b. > > Now the question is: How did those two Y chromosomes find their way to > Sub-Saharan Africa? Could it be that some Europeans have left their > traces during colonization times? > > Well, if you're familiar with R1b in Europe, the haplotypes still > look a > little bit strange. > > Also we keep finding R1b distribution maps that highlight an R1b > hot-spot in Northern Cameroon: > http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b > > Wikipedia characterizes the hotspot in Northern Cameroon as R1b-V88. > However V88 is in a region of the Y chromosome that is 97.9% identical > to ChrX, so it wouldn't qualify for a stable marker according to the > newest ISOGG guidelines. I'd rather prefer to test stable known SNPs > that independently proof the association with the North African and > Arabic regions. > > I'd like to involve you, the R1b experts to use your knowledge and > experience to solve this mystery in a group effort. At the same > time I'd > like to give the A00 Cameroon Research Project another push for > donations. > > So here are the rules of the game: > > YSEQ will do free SNP tests on those 2 samples if you donate an equal > amount ($17.50 per SNP) to Bonnie Schrack's A00 Cameroon Research > project. > > http://experiment.com/a00west > > When you make the donation, send Bonnie and myself an email > thomas@yseq.net <mailto:thomas@yseq.net>, bonnieschrack@gmail.com > <mailto:bonnieschrack@gmail.com> with the marker you want to > sponsor and the YSEQ ID it should be tested for. The marker must be > available in the YSEQ catalog: > > https://www.yseq.net/ > > or at least we must have the primers in stock so that we can quickly > test them. Ask us for a distinct SNP if you're unsure. > > We will process the SNPs in the very next batch and release the > results > to the public. You can keep sponsoring the next round when the results > come in. But note that the A00 Cameroon project deadline at > experiment.com <http://experiment.com> is on January 6th! So there > are only 5 days left to > submit your suggested SNP and the associated sample ID. > > The Prize: > > The researcher who submits the most downstream positive SNP first will > win a free Haplogroup Panel at YSEQ which he can use for a person > of his > choice. Since there are two samples, there are two Haplogroup Panels > that you can win! > > Good luck and Happy New Year! > > Thomas > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com > <mailto:GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > >

I increased my pledge by $20. I think that sample 3064 (at least) is R1b-V88. You can test him for any SNP on the V88 level according to Sergey's tree: http://www.kumbarov.com/ht35/R1b-M343xM269%20Y-DNA%20tree_02_11_25_2015.pdf I had a hard time determining which of these SNPs you have primers for. -- Best regards, Atanas Kumbarov http://dna.kumbarov.com/ On 2016-01-02 22:46, Thomas Krahn via wrote: > New Year Challenge: R1b in Cameroon > > Among our samples collected by Mathew on his last field trips we have > found the following two haplotypes: > > http://www.yseq.net/R1bCameroonChallenge.html > > Note that Y-GATA-H4 is in the NIST standard. If you want to compare them > to FTDNA you need to subtract 1. The haplogroup predictors clearly claim > 100% R1b. > > Now the question is: How did those two Y chromosomes find their way to > Sub-Saharan Africa? Could it be that some Europeans have left their > traces during colonization times? > > Well, if you're familiar with R1b in Europe, the haplotypes still look a > little bit strange. > > Also we keep finding R1b distribution maps that highlight an R1b > hot-spot in Northern Cameroon: > http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b > > Wikipedia characterizes the hotspot in Northern Cameroon as R1b-V88. > However V88 is in a region of the Y chromosome that is 97.9% identical > to ChrX, so it wouldn't qualify for a stable marker according to the > newest ISOGG guidelines. I'd rather prefer to test stable known SNPs > that independently proof the association with the North African and > Arabic regions. > > I'd like to involve you, the R1b experts to use your knowledge and > experience to solve this mystery in a group effort. At the same time I'd > like to give the A00 Cameroon Research Project another push for donations. > > So here are the rules of the game: > > YSEQ will do free SNP tests on those 2 samples if you donate an equal > amount ($17.50 per SNP) to Bonnie Schrack's A00 Cameroon Research project. > > http://experiment.com/a00west > > When you make the donation, send Bonnie and myself an email > thomas@yseq.net, bonnieschrack@gmail.com with the marker you want to > sponsor and the YSEQ ID it should be tested for. The marker must be > available in the YSEQ catalog: > > https://www.yseq.net/ > > or at least we must have the primers in stock so that we can quickly > test them. Ask us for a distinct SNP if you're unsure. > > We will process the SNPs in the very next batch and release the results > to the public. You can keep sponsoring the next round when the results > come in. But note that the A00 Cameroon project deadline at > experiment.com is on January 6th! So there are only 5 days left to > submit your suggested SNP and the associated sample ID. > > The Prize: > > The researcher who submits the most downstream positive SNP first will > win a free Haplogroup Panel at YSEQ which he can use for a person of his > choice. Since there are two samples, there are two Haplogroup Panels > that you can win! > > Good luck and Happy New Year! > > Thomas > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE Thank you! We have had quite a few sponsored SNPs that we'll run tomorrow morning in the PCR. For simplicity we'll test the same SNPs for both samples now. The SNPs currently in processing are: V1684 L388 SK2076 Z30246 M18 U152 PF6333 PF6332 PF6292 Y7782 PF6368 V69 Y18462 Y18459 V3181 Y7771 Results are expected for Tuesday. Then you'll still have the chance to bet on markers further downstream from the SNPs that will (hopefully) be derived. Prepare yourself and do some research. If you want to win, you must be fast so that you're the first to pledge for a "terminal" SNP. Note that Wednesday is the last possibility to donate to the Cameroon A00 project. That's when the last entries for the challenge are accepted. http://experiment.com/a00west <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fexperiment.com%2Fa00west&h=_AQG8xchr> On 01/02/2016 10:46 PM, Thomas Krahn via wrote: > New Year Challenge: R1b in Cameroon > > Among our samples collected by Mathew on his last field trips we have > found the following two haplotypes: > > http://www.yseq.net/R1bCameroonChallenge.html > > Note that Y-GATA-H4 is in the NIST standard. If you want to compare them > to FTDNA you need to subtract 1. The haplogroup predictors clearly claim > 100% R1b. > > Now the question is: How did those two Y chromosomes find their way to > Sub-Saharan Africa? Could it be that some Europeans have left their > traces during colonization times? > > Well, if you're familiar with R1b in Europe, the haplotypes still look a > little bit strange. > > Also we keep finding R1b distribution maps that highlight an R1b > hot-spot in Northern Cameroon: > http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b > > Wikipedia characterizes the hotspot in Northern Cameroon as R1b-V88. > However V88 is in a region of the Y chromosome that is 97.9% identical > to ChrX, so it wouldn't qualify for a stable marker according to the > newest ISOGG guidelines. I'd rather prefer to test stable known SNPs > that independently proof the association with the North African and > Arabic regions. > > I'd like to involve you, the R1b experts to use your knowledge and > experience to solve this mystery in a group effort. At the same time I'd > like to give the A00 Cameroon Research Project another push for donations. > > So here are the rules of the game: > > YSEQ will do free SNP tests on those 2 samples if you donate an equal > amount ($17.50 per SNP) to Bonnie Schrack's A00 Cameroon Research project. > > http://experiment.com/a00west > > When you make the donation, send Bonnie and myself an email > thomas@yseq.net, bonnieschrack@gmail.com with the marker you want to > sponsor and the YSEQ ID it should be tested for. The marker must be > available in the YSEQ catalog: > > https://www.yseq.net/ > > or at least we must have the primers in stock so that we can quickly > test them. Ask us for a distinct SNP if you're unsure. > > We will process the SNPs in the very next batch and release the results > to the public. You can keep sponsoring the next round when the results > come in. But note that the A00 Cameroon project deadline at > experiment.com is on January 6th! So there are only 5 days left to > submit your suggested SNP and the associated sample ID. > > The Prize: > > The researcher who submits the most downstream positive SNP first will > win a free Haplogroup Panel at YSEQ which he can use for a person of his > choice. Since there are two samples, there are two Haplogroup Panels > that you can win! > > Good luck and Happy New Year! > > Thomas > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message