Although GEDmatch has many virtues, there's no way of getting around the privacy concerns it raises. I and my sister were on GEDmatch, but ended up deleting our records there because of the risk of leading someone to one or more of her grandchildren for a false accusation sometime in the future. Joan -----Original Message----- From: Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA [mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com] Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 10:28 AM To: clkonfetti@gmail.com Cc: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com; Wjhonson Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA This is why you need to be using more specific tools like gedmatch Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Thursday, November 22, 2018, Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> wrote: Autosomal DNA testing does not lie and is not incorrect, though it is very difficult to work with beyond close relatives. The problem is attaching DNA to trees full of errors. If you have two DNA matches, both with the same erroneous copied info in their trees, they will attribute their segment of shared DNA to a person who is actually not an ancestor of either of them. You might say, "So what? They deserve it." But DNA companies are talking about doing the same thing, using the trees people have attached to their DNA to tell their customers what ancestors the shared DNA came from and build trees for them. DNA could be a wonderful tool, but it's being used to create an absolute mess and add to the chaos created by people who copy trees blindly. I wonder what percentage of trees online are filled with errors due to copying. Ancestry encourages this. I was trying to create a tree for a DNA match last week and Ancestry kept offering me hints and a potential father. It was crazy because the man would have had to be a bigamist to have been begetting children with one wife in MO and another in GA at the same time. It's possible today, but in the 1850s it would have been impossible for a farmer to keep running back and forth like that. Apparently so many people have copied that info into their tree that Ancestry tries very hard to get everyone to do the same with their hints. My conclusion was that they were two different men. I never succeeded in finding the true father of the man in MO, which was what I was trying to do. I think I know who his father was, but no proof, Certainly no descendants of this man who copy the info Ancestry offers them will ever know who his real father was. It would be great if a DNA company could hire professional genealogists to create a world family tree based on documents only and attach DNA matches to it only when they submitted sufficient documentation that they were a descendant of that person. Then we would really have something useful! Carol On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 10:38 PM Rhonda Flowers <rwflowers@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Hello Carol > > This is precisely why I will never have a tree on Ancestry. There are dozens > of trees with my paternal line information just copied and copied and copied > from one tree to another. Pre the internet it was easy to make a mistake > because there was limited information out there to be had. Family > information can be passed down orally but if it is based on the wrong > ancestor (with the same surname) then the error can be perpetuated ad > infinitum. > > This too, is precisely why DNA testing and matching is so important. When > primary documents are unavailable or conflicting; DNA can be used to set the > record straight; even if there is a book sitting in the National Library > with unsupported incorrect ancestry information about ones family; perhaps > one day it will be acknowledged the inclusion of my family in it was an > error. > Cheers > Rhonda > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, 23 November 2018 1:14 PM > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA > > Personally, I think you should have to have the permission of the tree owner > to link anything. I don't like people adding things to my tree as most > people are extremely bad genealogists - actually not genealogists - just > tree copiers. I've spent 20 years gathering primary documents. Why should > people be able to link to my tree or alter information in it without > discussion? I'm not saying my tree might not have errors. Everyone makes > mistakes. Anyone who copies anything from any online tree or any book should > be aware that they could have errors, but most people don't seem to be. But > I don't want people wildly adding errors without so much as a by-your-leave > or discussion. > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 4:24 PM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA > <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > At FTDNA you can link your relatives DNA to your tree without the > > need for them to do anything.You are the one doing all the linking > > Wikitree also has this > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> > > To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 1:21 pm > > Subject: [DNA] Linking DNA > > > > With family tree DNA you can link your DNA in your tree with relatives > > who link their DNA in their tree to you. Do any of the other major > > testing companies have this feature? > > > > Karen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > RootsWeb community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is > funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Carol, you are so right, and you made your point even clearer with the example. I once put a tree on Ancestry and others edited in some wrong information. The tree is still there, with my family name in its title, but with the errors it not only gives wrong information but reflects badly on our carefully documented research. I wish I could delete the whole tree. Joan -----Original Message----- From: Carol Anne [mailto:clkonfetti@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 12:53 AM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA Autosomal DNA testing does not lie and is not incorrect, though it is very difficult to work with beyond close relatives. The problem is attaching DNA to trees full of errors. If you have two DNA matches, both with the same erroneous copied info in their trees, they will attribute their segment of shared DNA to a person who is actually not an ancestor of either of them. You might say, "So what? They deserve it." But DNA companies are talking about doing the same thing, using the trees people have attached to their DNA to tell their customers what ancestors the shared DNA came from and build trees for them. DNA could be a wonderful tool, but it's being used to create an absolute mess and add to the chaos created by people who copy trees blindly. I wonder what percentage of trees online are filled with errors due to copying. Ancestry encourages this. I was trying to create a tree for a DNA match last week and Ancestry kept offering me hints and a potential father. It was crazy because the man would have had to be a bigamist to have been begetting children with one wife in MO and another in GA at the same time. It's possible today, but in the 1850s it would have been impossible for a farmer to keep running back and forth like that. Apparently so many people have copied that info into their tree that Ancestry tries very hard to get everyone to do the same with their hints. My conclusion was that they were two different men. I never succeeded in finding the true father of the man in MO, which was what I was trying to do. I think I know who his father was, but no proof, Certainly no descendants of this man who copy the info Ancestry offers them will ever know who his real father was. It would be great if a DNA company could hire professional genealogists to create a world family tree based on documents only and attach DNA matches to it only when they submitted sufficient documentation that they were a descendant of that person. Then we would really have something useful! Carol On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 10:38 PM Rhonda Flowers <rwflowers@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Hello Carol > > This is precisely why I will never have a tree on Ancestry. There are dozens > of trees with my paternal line information just copied and copied and copied > from one tree to another. Pre the internet it was easy to make a mistake > because there was limited information out there to be had. Family > information can be passed down orally but if it is based on the wrong > ancestor (with the same surname) then the error can be perpetuated ad > infinitum. > > This too, is precisely why DNA testing and matching is so important. When > primary documents are unavailable or conflicting; DNA can be used to set the > record straight; even if there is a book sitting in the National Library > with unsupported incorrect ancestry information about ones family; perhaps > one day it will be acknowledged the inclusion of my family in it was an > error. > Cheers > Rhonda > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, 23 November 2018 1:14 PM > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA > > Personally, I think you should have to have the permission of the tree owner > to link anything. I don't like people adding things to my tree as most > people are extremely bad genealogists - actually not genealogists - just > tree copiers. I've spent 20 years gathering primary documents. Why should > people be able to link to my tree or alter information in it without > discussion? I'm not saying my tree might not have errors. Everyone makes > mistakes. Anyone who copies anything from any online tree or any book should > be aware that they could have errors, but most people don't seem to be. But > I don't want people wildly adding errors without so much as a by-your-leave > or discussion. > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 4:24 PM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA > <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > At FTDNA you can link your relatives DNA to your tree without the > > need for them to do anything.You are the one doing all the linking > > Wikitree also has this > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> > > To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 1:21 pm > > Subject: [DNA] Linking DNA > > > > With family tree DNA you can link your DNA in your tree with relatives > > who link their DNA in their tree to you. Do any of the other major > > testing companies have this feature? > > > > Karen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > RootsWeb community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is > funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

This is why you need to be using more specific tools like gedmatch Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Thursday, November 22, 2018, Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> wrote: Autosomal DNA testing does not lie and is not incorrect, though it is very difficult to work with beyond close relatives. The problem is attaching DNA to trees full of errors. If you have two DNA matches, both with the same erroneous copied info in their trees, they will attribute their segment of shared DNA to a person who is actually not an ancestor of either of them. You might say, "So what? They deserve it." But DNA companies are talking about doing the same thing, using the trees people have attached to their DNA to tell their customers what ancestors the shared DNA came from and build trees for them. DNA could be a wonderful tool, but it's being used to create an absolute mess and add to the chaos created by people who copy trees blindly. I wonder what percentage of trees online are filled with errors due to copying. Ancestry encourages this. I was trying to create a tree for a DNA match last week and Ancestry kept offering me hints and a potential father. It was crazy because the man would have had to be a bigamist to have been begetting children with one wife in MO and another in GA at the same time. It's possible today, but in the 1850s it would have been impossible for a farmer to keep running back and forth like that. Apparently so many people have copied that info into their tree that Ancestry tries very hard to get everyone to do the same with their hints. My conclusion was that they were two different men. I never succeeded in finding the true father of the man in MO, which was what I was trying to do. I think I know who his father was, but no proof, Certainly no descendants of this man who copy the info Ancestry offers them will ever know who his real father was. It would be great if a DNA company could hire professional genealogists to create a world family tree based on documents only and attach DNA matches to it only when they submitted sufficient documentation that they were a descendant of that person. Then we would really have something useful! Carol On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 10:38 PM Rhonda Flowers <rwflowers@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Hello Carol > > This is precisely why I will never have a tree on Ancestry. There are dozens > of trees with my paternal line information just copied and copied and copied > from one tree to another. Pre the internet it was easy to make a mistake > because there was limited information out there to be had. Family > information can be passed down orally but if it is based on the wrong > ancestor (with the same surname) then the error can be perpetuated ad > infinitum. > > This too, is precisely why DNA testing and matching is so important. When > primary documents are unavailable or conflicting; DNA can be used to set the > record straight;  even if there is a book sitting in the National Library > with unsupported incorrect ancestry information about ones family; perhaps > one day it will be acknowledged the inclusion of my family in it was an > error. > Cheers > Rhonda > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, 23 November 2018 1:14 PM > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA > > Personally, I think you should have to have the permission of the tree owner > to link anything. I don't like people adding things to my tree as most > people are extremely bad genealogists - actually not genealogists - just > tree copiers. I've spent 20 years gathering primary documents. Why should > people be able to link to my tree or alter information in it without > discussion? I'm not saying my tree might not have errors. Everyone makes > mistakes. Anyone who copies anything from any online tree or any book should > be aware that they could have errors, but most people don't seem to be. But > I don't want people wildly adding errors without so much as a by-your-leave > or discussion. > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 4:24 PM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA > <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > >  At FTDNA you can link your relatives DNA to your tree without the > > need for them to do anything.You are the one doing all the linking > > Wikitree also has this > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> > > To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 1:21 pm > > Subject: [DNA] Linking DNA > > > > With family tree DNA you can link your DNA in your tree with relatives > > who link their DNA in their tree to you. Do any of the other major > > testing companies have this feature? > > > > Karen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > RootsWeb community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is > funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

It’s a good idea but who’s willing to pay for those professional genealogists? It’s not in the interest of Ancestry or any other company to add cost with no benefit for them. Andreas Andreas West Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 Author of https://www.yourDNA.family Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/ > On 23 Nov 2018, at 13:52, Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> wrote: > > Autosomal DNA testing does not lie and is not incorrect, though it is > very difficult to work with beyond close relatives. The problem is > attaching DNA to trees full of errors. If you have two DNA matches, > both with the same erroneous copied info in their trees, they will > attribute their segment of shared DNA to a person who is actually not > an ancestor of either of them. > > You might say, "So what? They deserve it." But DNA companies are > talking about doing the same thing, using the trees people have > attached to their DNA to tell their customers what ancestors the > shared DNA came from and build trees for them. DNA could be a > wonderful tool, but it's being used to create an absolute mess and add > to the chaos created by people who copy trees blindly. I wonder what > percentage of trees online are filled with errors due to copying. > > Ancestry encourages this. I was trying to create a tree for a DNA > match last week and Ancestry kept offering me hints and a potential > father. It was crazy because the man would have had to be a bigamist > to have been begetting children with one wife in MO and another in GA > at the same time. It's possible today, but in the 1850s it would have > been impossible for a farmer to keep running back and forth like that. > Apparently so many people have copied that info into their tree that > Ancestry tries very hard to get everyone to do the same with their > hints. My conclusion was that they were two different men. I never > succeeded in finding the true father of the man in MO, which was what > I was trying to do. I think I know who his father was, but no proof, > Certainly no descendants of this man who copy the info Ancestry offers > them will ever know who his real father was. > > It would be great if a DNA company could hire professional > genealogists to create a world family tree based on documents only and > attach DNA matches to it only when they submitted sufficient > documentation that they were a descendant of that person. Then we > would really have something useful! > > Carol > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 10:38 PM Rhonda Flowers > <rwflowers@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> >> Hello Carol >> >> This is precisely why I will never have a tree on Ancestry. There are dozens >> of trees with my paternal line information just copied and copied and copied >> from one tree to another. Pre the internet it was easy to make a mistake >> because there was limited information out there to be had. Family >> information can be passed down orally but if it is based on the wrong >> ancestor (with the same surname) then the error can be perpetuated ad >> infinitum. >> >> This too, is precisely why DNA testing and matching is so important. When >> primary documents are unavailable or conflicting; DNA can be used to set the >> record straight; even if there is a book sitting in the National Library >> with unsupported incorrect ancestry information about ones family; perhaps >> one day it will be acknowledged the inclusion of my family in it was an >> error. >> Cheers >> Rhonda >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> >> Sent: Friday, 23 November 2018 1:14 PM >> To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA >> >> Personally, I think you should have to have the permission of the tree owner >> to link anything. I don't like people adding things to my tree as most >> people are extremely bad genealogists - actually not genealogists - just >> tree copiers. I've spent 20 years gathering primary documents. Why should >> people be able to link to my tree or alter information in it without >> discussion? I'm not saying my tree might not have errors. Everyone makes >> mistakes. Anyone who copies anything from any online tree or any book should >> be aware that they could have errors, but most people don't seem to be. But >> I don't want people wildly adding errors without so much as a by-your-leave >> or discussion. >> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 4:24 PM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA >> <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>> >>> At FTDNA you can link your relatives DNA to your tree without the >>> need for them to do anything.You are the one doing all the linking >>> Wikitree also has this >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> >>> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 1:21 pm >>> Subject: [DNA] Linking DNA >>> >>> With family tree DNA you can link your DNA in your tree with relatives >>> who link their DNA in their tree to you. Do any of the other major >>> testing companies have this feature? >>> >>> Karen >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >>> RootsWeb community >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >>> RootsWeb community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is >> funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Amen to that, Rhonda. That’s why I don’t like the approach that Ancestry takes. Everyone has his own tree, sometimes many versions. Instead of just requiring to all work together and having a process when there is conflicting evidence. Happy Thanksgiving, Andreas Andreas West Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 Author of https://www.yourDNA.family Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/ > On 23 Nov 2018, at 11:38, Rhonda Flowers <rwflowers@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Hello Carol > > This is precisely why I will never have a tree on Ancestry. There are dozens > of trees with my paternal line information just copied and copied and copied > from one tree to another. Pre the internet it was easy to make a mistake > because there was limited information out there to be had. Family > information can be passed down orally but if it is based on the wrong > ancestor (with the same surname) then the error can be perpetuated ad > infinitum. > > This too, is precisely why DNA testing and matching is so important. When > primary documents are unavailable or conflicting; DNA can be used to set the > record straight; even if there is a book sitting in the National Library > with unsupported incorrect ancestry information about ones family; perhaps > one day it will be acknowledged the inclusion of my family in it was an > error. > Cheers > Rhonda > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, 23 November 2018 1:14 PM > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA > > Personally, I think you should have to have the permission of the tree owner > to link anything. I don't like people adding things to my tree as most > people are extremely bad genealogists - actually not genealogists - just > tree copiers. I've spent 20 years gathering primary documents. Why should > people be able to link to my tree or alter information in it without > discussion? I'm not saying my tree might not have errors. Everyone makes > mistakes. Anyone who copies anything from any online tree or any book should > be aware that they could have errors, but most people don't seem to be. But > I don't want people wildly adding errors without so much as a by-your-leave > or discussion. > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 4:24 PM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA > <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> At FTDNA you can link your relatives DNA to your tree without the >> need for them to do anything.You are the one doing all the linking >> Wikitree also has this >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> >> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 1:21 pm >> Subject: [DNA] Linking DNA >> >> With family tree DNA you can link your DNA in your tree with relatives >> who link their DNA in their tree to you. Do any of the other major >> testing companies have this feature? >> >> Karen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >> RootsWeb community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >> RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is > funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Autosomal DNA testing does not lie and is not incorrect, though it is very difficult to work with beyond close relatives. The problem is attaching DNA to trees full of errors. If you have two DNA matches, both with the same erroneous copied info in their trees, they will attribute their segment of shared DNA to a person who is actually not an ancestor of either of them. You might say, "So what? They deserve it." But DNA companies are talking about doing the same thing, using the trees people have attached to their DNA to tell their customers what ancestors the shared DNA came from and build trees for them. DNA could be a wonderful tool, but it's being used to create an absolute mess and add to the chaos created by people who copy trees blindly. I wonder what percentage of trees online are filled with errors due to copying. Ancestry encourages this. I was trying to create a tree for a DNA match last week and Ancestry kept offering me hints and a potential father. It was crazy because the man would have had to be a bigamist to have been begetting children with one wife in MO and another in GA at the same time. It's possible today, but in the 1850s it would have been impossible for a farmer to keep running back and forth like that. Apparently so many people have copied that info into their tree that Ancestry tries very hard to get everyone to do the same with their hints. My conclusion was that they were two different men. I never succeeded in finding the true father of the man in MO, which was what I was trying to do. I think I know who his father was, but no proof, Certainly no descendants of this man who copy the info Ancestry offers them will ever know who his real father was. It would be great if a DNA company could hire professional genealogists to create a world family tree based on documents only and attach DNA matches to it only when they submitted sufficient documentation that they were a descendant of that person. Then we would really have something useful! Carol On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 10:38 PM Rhonda Flowers <rwflowers@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Hello Carol > > This is precisely why I will never have a tree on Ancestry. There are dozens > of trees with my paternal line information just copied and copied and copied > from one tree to another. Pre the internet it was easy to make a mistake > because there was limited information out there to be had. Family > information can be passed down orally but if it is based on the wrong > ancestor (with the same surname) then the error can be perpetuated ad > infinitum. > > This too, is precisely why DNA testing and matching is so important. When > primary documents are unavailable or conflicting; DNA can be used to set the > record straight; even if there is a book sitting in the National Library > with unsupported incorrect ancestry information about ones family; perhaps > one day it will be acknowledged the inclusion of my family in it was an > error. > Cheers > Rhonda > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, 23 November 2018 1:14 PM > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA > > Personally, I think you should have to have the permission of the tree owner > to link anything. I don't like people adding things to my tree as most > people are extremely bad genealogists - actually not genealogists - just > tree copiers. I've spent 20 years gathering primary documents. Why should > people be able to link to my tree or alter information in it without > discussion? I'm not saying my tree might not have errors. Everyone makes > mistakes. Anyone who copies anything from any online tree or any book should > be aware that they could have errors, but most people don't seem to be. But > I don't want people wildly adding errors without so much as a by-your-leave > or discussion. > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 4:24 PM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA > <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > At FTDNA you can link your relatives DNA to your tree without the > > need for them to do anything.You are the one doing all the linking > > Wikitree also has this > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> > > To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 1:21 pm > > Subject: [DNA] Linking DNA > > > > With family tree DNA you can link your DNA in your tree with relatives > > who link their DNA in their tree to you. Do any of the other major > > testing companies have this feature? > > > > Karen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > RootsWeb community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is > funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hello Carol This is precisely why I will never have a tree on Ancestry. There are dozens of trees with my paternal line information just copied and copied and copied from one tree to another. Pre the internet it was easy to make a mistake because there was limited information out there to be had. Family information can be passed down orally but if it is based on the wrong ancestor (with the same surname) then the error can be perpetuated ad infinitum. This too, is precisely why DNA testing and matching is so important. When primary documents are unavailable or conflicting; DNA can be used to set the record straight; even if there is a book sitting in the National Library with unsupported incorrect ancestry information about ones family; perhaps one day it will be acknowledged the inclusion of my family in it was an error. Cheers Rhonda -----Original Message----- From: Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, 23 November 2018 1:14 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA Personally, I think you should have to have the permission of the tree owner to link anything. I don't like people adding things to my tree as most people are extremely bad genealogists - actually not genealogists - just tree copiers. I've spent 20 years gathering primary documents. Why should people be able to link to my tree or alter information in it without discussion? I'm not saying my tree might not have errors. Everyone makes mistakes. Anyone who copies anything from any online tree or any book should be aware that they could have errors, but most people don't seem to be. But I don't want people wildly adding errors without so much as a by-your-leave or discussion. On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 4:24 PM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > At FTDNA you can link your relatives DNA to your tree without the > need for them to do anything.You are the one doing all the linking > Wikitree also has this > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> > To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 1:21 pm > Subject: [DNA] Linking DNA > > With family tree DNA you can link your DNA in your tree with relatives > who link their DNA in their tree to you. Do any of the other major > testing companies have this feature? > > Karen > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Are you sure you can't hide your email address at FTDNA? I had a match come in just this week and there is no email address attached to the match. Just thought I should mention that. Cheers Rhonda -----Original Message----- From: Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 23 November 2018 10:51 AM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Cc: lplantagenet@aol.com; Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> Subject: [DNA] Re: Privacy at Ancestry You can hide all of that at AncestryIn *addition* you can even hide your email address at Ancestry, while FTDNA has it displayed publicly to your matches -----Original Message----- From: Lindsey Britton via GENEALOGY-DNA <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Cc: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 2:51 pm Subject: [DNA] Privacy at Ancestry If I buy test kits at Ancestry and have them sent to my address, how do I protect my privacy? How much control will I have over the information my matches can see? At FTDNA we can withhold our names, addresses, and ethnic information if we wish--none of which is needed to identify a relationship. How much can we withhold at Ancestry? The only information I share at FTDNA is a list of ancestral surnames and locations. Lindsey _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Personally, I think you should have to have the permission of the tree owner to link anything. I don't like people adding things to my tree as most people are extremely bad genealogists - actually not genealogists - just tree copiers. I've spent 20 years gathering primary documents. Why should people be able to link to my tree or alter information in it without discussion? I'm not saying my tree might not have errors. Everyone makes mistakes. Anyone who copies anything from any online tree or any book should be aware that they could have errors, but most people don't seem to be. But I don't want people wildly adding errors without so much as a by-your-leave or discussion. On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 4:24 PM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > At FTDNA you can link your relatives DNA to your tree without the need for them to do anything.You are the one doing all the linking > Wikitree also has this > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> > To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 1:21 pm > Subject: [DNA] Linking DNA > > With family tree DNA you can link your DNA in your tree with relatives who > link their DNA in their tree to you. Do any of the other major testing > companies have this feature? > > Karen > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I read recently that Ancestry displayed match locations as the default option.  How difficult is it to opt out?  I don't know why anyone would want this feature unless location means only USA, UK, etc. Lindsey

Thank you for your replies.  I have an old account under my real name at Ancestry and I will definitely change that after I order my kit.  The second kit is for my mother, so consent is not a factor.  I wouldn't use her real name either.   This is a difficult decision for me.   I have never had nor wanted a tree at Ancestry, but will have to create one if I hope to get good results.  Does Ancestry take information from customers' trees and use it for Ancestry's benefit? Lindsey

Kits plural? Each kit must have its own email and sign the consent agreement. There are ways to manage another person's kit (with their consent, of course). As for your own account, your matches will see your Ancestry log in ID by default, but you can change that to whatever you want (real name, initials, whatever). There are two choices for displaying ethnicity: all regions, or just the regions you share with a match. All communications go through the Ancestry messaging system. Your email is not displayed to anyone. Ann Turner On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 2:51 PM Lindsey Britton via GENEALOGY-DNA < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > If I buy test kits at Ancestry and have them sent to my address, how do I > protect my privacy? How much control will I have over the information my > matches can see? At FTDNA we can withhold our names, addresses, and > ethnic information if we wish--none of which is needed to identify a > relationship. How much can we withhold at Ancestry? The only information > I share at FTDNA is a list of ancestral surnames and locations. Lindsey > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

You can hide all of that at AncestryIn *addition* you can even hide your email address at Ancestry, while FTDNA has it displayed publicly to your matches -----Original Message----- From: Lindsey Britton via GENEALOGY-DNA <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Cc: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 2:51 pm Subject: [DNA] Privacy at Ancestry If I buy test kits at Ancestry and have them sent to my address, how do I protect my privacy?  How much control  will I have over the information my matches can see?   At FTDNA we can withhold our names, addresses, and ethnic information if we wish--none of which is needed to identify a relationship.  How much can we withhold at Ancestry?  The only information I share at FTDNA is a list of ancestral surnames and locations.  Lindsey _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

If I buy test kits at Ancestry and have them sent to my address, how do I protect my privacy?  How much control  will I have over the information my matches can see?   At FTDNA we can withhold our names, addresses, and ethnic information if we wish--none of which is needed to identify a relationship.  How much can we withhold at Ancestry?  The only information I share at FTDNA is a list of ancestral surnames and locations.  Lindsey

At FTDNA you can link your relatives DNA to your tree without the need for them to do anything.You are the one doing all the linking Wikitree also has this -----Original Message----- From: Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 1:21 pm Subject: [DNA] Linking DNA With family tree DNA you can link your DNA in your tree with relatives who link their DNA in their tree to you. Do any of the other major testing companies have this feature? Karen _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

With family tree DNA you can link your DNA in your tree with relatives who link their DNA in their tree to you. Do any of the other major testing companies have this feature? Karen

Aha. I am downloading matches. Obviously I need to download raw data. However if I look at the Third cousin and above in the matches list I probably get the right answer, or near it. Thanks Ann, I will do the correct download! Belinda -----Original Message----- From: Ann Turner [mailto:dnacousins@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 23 November 2018 7:20 AM To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DNA] Re: Fwd: Where to get best autosomal results Are you downloading all segments from the Chromosome Browser? I see these column headers: Name Match Name Chromosome Start Location End Location Centimorgans Matching SNPs Ann On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 11:59 AM Belinda Dettmann < belindadettmann@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Ann, I know that the total includes small segments but I can't get > your formula to work. When I download my results I get column F with > Relationship and column H with total cM. Pasting the formula into col > H gives 0 all the way down. > > Belinda > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ann Turner [mailto:dnacousins@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, 23 November 2018 1:01 AM > To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [DNA] Re: Fwd: Where to get best autosomal results > > Belinda, your FTDNA count is heavily skewed because you are including > small segments in the total. It would be very different if you excluded those. > This can be done with a spreadsheet formula. From the Chromosome > Browser, download all segments. Column B will be the match name and column F the cM. > Paste this formula into cell H2, then copy it down all the rows. (A > shortcut for that is to hover over the lower right hand corner of the > cell until you see a + sign, then double click.) In English, the > formula says to sum the numbers in column F if the name in column B > matches cell B2 AND the cM value in column F is >= 7. > > =SUMIFS(F:F,B:B,B2,F:F,">=7") > > Copy this data to a new worksheet with Paste Special and use Remove > Duplicates (under the Data ribbon in Excel) on columns B and F to > consolidate the results. > > When I did that this morning, I had 1522 matches over 40 cM if I used > the total, but only 28 matches if I excluded the small segments. > > Ann Turner > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:07 PM Belinda Dettmann < > belindadettmann@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > Using 40cM as a cutoff point I get: > > 34 Ancestry DNA > > 14 23andMe > > 24 My Heritage > > 597 FTDNA > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Are you downloading all segments from the Chromosome Browser? I see these column headers: Name Match Name Chromosome Start Location End Location Centimorgans Matching SNPs Ann On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 11:59 AM Belinda Dettmann < belindadettmann@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Ann, I know that the total includes small segments but I can't get your > formula to work. When I download my results I get column F with > Relationship > and column H with total cM. Pasting the formula into col H gives 0 all the > way down. > > Belinda > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ann Turner [mailto:dnacousins@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, 23 November 2018 1:01 AM > To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [DNA] Re: Fwd: Where to get best autosomal results > > Belinda, your FTDNA count is heavily skewed because you are including small > segments in the total. It would be very different if you excluded those. > This can be done with a spreadsheet formula. From the Chromosome Browser, > download all segments. Column B will be the match name and column F the cM. > Paste this formula into cell H2, then copy it down all the rows. (A > shortcut > for that is to hover over the lower right hand corner of the cell until you > see a + sign, then double click.) In English, the formula says to sum the > numbers in column F if the name in column B matches cell B2 AND the cM > value > in column F is >= 7. > > =SUMIFS(F:F,B:B,B2,F:F,">=7") > > Copy this data to a new worksheet with Paste Special and use Remove > Duplicates (under the Data ribbon in Excel) on columns B and F to > consolidate the results. > > When I did that this morning, I had 1522 matches over 40 cM if I used the > total, but only 28 matches if I excluded the small segments. > > Ann Turner > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:07 PM Belinda Dettmann < > belindadettmann@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > Using 40cM as a cutoff point I get: > > 34 Ancestry DNA > > 14 23andMe > > 24 My Heritage > > 597 FTDNA > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is > funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hello Thena Thank you! Yes I have slightly more maternal matches linked to my family tree. Maternal matches: Half brother 1st cousin once removed 2nd cousin 2nd cousin once removed 3rd cousin once removed 4th cousin Paternal matches: 2nd cousin 1st cousin once removed 2nd cousin once removed 4th cousin once removed Best wishes Rhonda -----Original Message----- From: Thena Jones <tsjones1@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2018 9:35 AM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Re: Fwd: Where to get best autosomal results Rhonda - Do you have more of your maternal side matches linked to your tree than paternal side matches? It's those linked matches - especially closer ones - that enable the phasing used for the Paternal/Maternal tabs feature. This feature is called the Family Matching Sort Tabs (or Family Matching Feature), and it uses phased matching based on the matches that you've linked to your tree. FTDNA says "Family Matching is based on phased blocks detected between relations, taking into account phased information is significant as it ensures that the block is not only of similar size and in the same location, but also transmitted by the same alleles." Here is a link to more information on how it works: https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/ftdna/ftdna-family-matching-system/ And here's a link to getting Family Matching started - you've done this already since you have these Paternal/Maternal tabs: https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/user-guide/family-finder-myftdna/family- matching-tool/ --Thena Jones On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 4:25 PM Rhonda Flowers <rwflowers@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Yes Doris this is a great tool!! > > One question about this tool...can anyone explain why there are far > more phased maternal matches than paternal in my matches! 491 maternal > and 46 paternal. > > Would it be that it is simply a case of more of my maternal matches > testing or does it have something to do with how DNA is passed down? > > I have about equal amount of close relatives paternal and maternal who > have tested. > > Rhonda > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doris Wheeler <doriswh@gmail.com> > Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2018 7:56 AM > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DNA] Re: Fwd: Where to get best autosomal results > > Don't overlook FTDNA's phasing tools for their trees. It's the only > company that sorts paternal vs. maternal matches. > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 3:22 PM Richard Weiss <1navy.gator@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Karen > > > > Here is my summary > > > > My Heritage: trees + all the tools at FTDNA and 23andMe 3rd largest > > pool of testers growing fast, more international testers 23and Me: > > no trees - most of the tools at MH 2nd largest pool of testers > > FTDNA: some trees (hard to use) - several tools but not quite as > > robust as MH or 23andme (only company to offer Projects) > > Ancestry: trees + very limited DNA tools largest pool of testers by > > far Living DNA: no trees - basic matching soon tools are TBD > > GEDMatch: limited trees (hard to use) + best tools in the business > > > > Cheers > > Richard > > DNAAdoption > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 12:10 PM Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Lorna > > > > > > How do you find the chromosome tools compare between my heritage > > > and > > > 23 > > and > > > me? 23 and me who I don't have a test with had a cool tool that > > displayed > > > ethnicity on each chromosome that could be compared to matches. > > > Wondering if my heritage had introduced this tool with their updates ? > > > > > > Karen > > > > > > > > > > > > Y heritage might have introduceded this > > > > > > On Tuesday, November 20, 2018, LornaMoa <lornamoa@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Lindsey, > > > > I'm mining ALL of the match lists on all of the companies for > > > > hints for > > > my > > > > current brickwall focus of my 2 greats grandmother and her > > father-in-law > > > my > > > > 3greats. > > > > By now I have an extended family that we DO fit into somewhere > > > > for the 3greats, so I'm also mining all the trees I can find to > > > > see where I > > might > > > > find other tested descendants who have data to contribute to > > > > narrow > > this > > > > down. > > > > > > > > It doesn't change where I'd test from last time we discussed > > > > recommendations as long as data is on all of them to go fishing. > > > > For the price of two tests, FTDNA or MyHeritage, transferred to > > > > the > > other > > > > and to GEDMatch plus a test at Ancestry you have covered most bases. > > > > As to why retest FTDNA rather than transfer from Ancestry if you > > started > > > > with the latter? > > > > I believe that the matches that FTDNA doesn't report from the > > > > transfer > > in > > > > to FTDNA from Ancestry actually matter, particularly when > > > > exploring > > such > > > > things as your subject. The shared matches there are more > > > > complete from tests than from Ancestry transfers. > > > > I also rarely bother with 23andme although I have tested there > > > > along > > with > > > > a representative from each "side" of my family just to have toe > > > > in the water. > > > > I get too annoyed by the complicated sharing system, and > > > > complete lack > > of > > > > trees as so few people realise you can link to one in your > > > > profile > > > > > > > > Lorna Henderson > > > > http://LornaHen.com > > > > > > > > On 20/11/18 14:47, Lindsey Britton via GENEALOGY-DNA wrote: > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com> > > > >> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > > > >> Sent: Sun, Nov 18, 2018 7:25 pm > > > >> Subject: Where to get best autosomal results > > > >> > > > >> If you have used autosomal DNA to identify a 3rd great > > > >> grandparent or > > a > > > >> more distant ancestor, which testing company do you recommend? > > > Lindsey > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@roo > > > >> tsweb.com > > > >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and > Conditions: > > > >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > > >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and > > > >> supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > RootsWeb > > > >> community > > > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@roo > > > > tsweb.com > > > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and > > > > supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb. > > > co m Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and > > > Conditions: > > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and > > > supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.co > > m Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and > > Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > RootsWeb community > > > > > -- > https://www.doriswheeler.org > https://genealogyanddna.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Ann, I know that the total includes small segments but I can't get your formula to work. When I download my results I get column F with Relationship and column H with total cM. Pasting the formula into col H gives 0 all the way down. Belinda -----Original Message----- From: Ann Turner [mailto:dnacousins@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 23 November 2018 1:01 AM To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DNA] Re: Fwd: Where to get best autosomal results Belinda, your FTDNA count is heavily skewed because you are including small segments in the total. It would be very different if you excluded those. This can be done with a spreadsheet formula. From the Chromosome Browser, download all segments. Column B will be the match name and column F the cM. Paste this formula into cell H2, then copy it down all the rows. (A shortcut for that is to hover over the lower right hand corner of the cell until you see a + sign, then double click.) In English, the formula says to sum the numbers in column F if the name in column B matches cell B2 AND the cM value in column F is >= 7. =SUMIFS(F:F,B:B,B2,F:F,">=7") Copy this data to a new worksheet with Paste Special and use Remove Duplicates (under the Data ribbon in Excel) on columns B and F to consolidate the results. When I did that this morning, I had 1522 matches over 40 cM if I used the total, but only 28 matches if I excluded the small segments. Ann Turner On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:07 PM Belinda Dettmann < belindadettmann@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Using 40cM as a cutoff point I get: > 34 Ancestry DNA > 14 23andMe > 24 My Heritage > 597 FTDNA > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community