Wjhonson That's between you. your conscience, and hopefully the person whose DNA you are sharing, I was merely spelling out what the "rules" are. Lorna Henderson http://LornaHen.com On 24/11/18 11:38, Wjhonson wrote: > Actually you can. > You set up a new gmail account, link it, add the gedmatch number and > you're done > > That WikiTree interprets certain laws in the most ridiculous way > possible, doesn't stop me > > > -----Original Message----- > From: LornaMoa <lornamoa@gmail.com> > To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com>; rowantreek > <rowantreek@gmail.com> > Cc: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> > Sent: Fri, Nov 23, 2018 2:26 pm > Subject: Re: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA > > wjhonson, > On WikiTree only the living person, signed in as themselves can attach > DNA to their profile. > Once it is attached WT will however propagate links on the profile > throughout the 8 degrees of separation around the tree as connected (or > subsequently amended). > It is the latter part that needs people to check, collaborate and ensure > the tree is accurate. > But even so, a DNA link on a profile is just an indication that there > may be someone out there who has tested who holds DNA information to aid > the accuracy of the tree, it doesn't mean that they've inherited the > right bits of DNA for whatever it is you are trying to prove. > > Karen, > The FTDNA tree shown on your DNA test profile is yours, able to be > shared to view (where all living other than yourself are privatised, and > I think depending on your privacy settings also those born within 100 > years but deceased) > BUT not able to be editted by other than you. > What you are doing by linking a close DNA match to your tree is showing > _yourself_ where you believe they "fit" AND utilising FTDNA's phased > matching routines to allocate them and their matches to the > paternal/maternal buckets, which is a very useful feature, but of course > only as good as _your_ research/tree. > It is only worth doing this for up to actual (not predicted 2-4th which > we all agree can be wildly optimistic as a prediction) 2nd cousins, with > some 3rd cousin exceptions who share enough DNA with you, for the > phasing routines to actually work. Linking in more distant cousins who > share smaller amounts of DNA with you will not add to the > Paternal/Maternal buckets in my experience. > > For Ancestry and MyHeritage, where trees form part of their package > regardless of DNA, it is your choice how much control you keep over your > own tree and what you allow others to do to it. > Any DNA linking can only be done by the person managing the DNA kit, and > only to trees they have permission to edit. > > Lorna Henderson > http://LornaHen.com > > On 24/11/18 09:57, Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA wrote: > > You can link the gedmatch kit of someone in wiki tree without their > permission > > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > >  On Friday, November 23, 2018, Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com > <mailto:rowantreek@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > I agree. > > > > Both parties have to agree the relationship is correct before it is > used to > > sort other matches in common  into a paternal or maternal bucket. > > > > Unless the owner of the site gives permission to have their tree > altered. > > This is up to the individual to not invite a person to their tree [or > > restrict what others can do when visiting their site] if you don't > believe > > they used the same level of research(source proving) as yourselves. > If you > > don't invite someone to fill in your tree ,you need to do it yourself by > > exchanging information and checking it is right, then enter it to your > > tree, and link the dna. Good old genealogy done right. > > > > I can't see that the other companies allow people to link DNA but > they can > > create trees that have the same people in and link the tree to their > dna. > > Can anyone confirm if this is the case with ancestry and my heritage? > > Thank you for all the comments > > > > Karen > > > > On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 3:37 AM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA < > > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com <mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com>> wrote: > > > >>    It isn't that you are linking their *tree* to your *tree*What > you are > >> doing is linking their DNA test to your tree.Doing that doesn't > automatilly > >> import their tree into your tree or anything like that > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com <mailto:clkonfetti@gmail.com>> > >> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > <mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com>> > >> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 6:14 pm > >> Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA > >> > >> Personally, I think you should have to have the permission of the tree > >> owner to link anything. I don't like people adding things to my tree > >> as most people are extremely bad genealogists - actually not > >> genealogists - just tree copiers. I've spent 20 years gathering > >> primary documents. Why should people be able to link to my tree or > >> alter information in it without discussion? I'm not saying my tree > >> might not have errors. Everyone makes mistakes. Anyone who copies > >> anything from any online tree or any book should be aware that they > >> could have errors, but most people don't seem to be. But I don't want > >> people wildly adding errors without so much as a by-your-leave or > >> discussion. > >> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 4:24 PM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA > >> <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com <mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com>> wrote: > >>>    At FTDNA you can link your relatives DNA to your tree without > the need > >> for them to do anything.You are the one doing all the linking > >>> Wikitree also has this > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com > <mailto:rowantreek@gmail.com>> > >>> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > <mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com>> > >>> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 1:21 pm > >>> Subject: [DNA] Linking DNA > >>> > >>> With family tree DNA you can link your DNA in your tree with relatives > >> who > >>> link their DNA in their tree to you. Do any of the other major testing > >>> companies have this feature? > >>> > >>> Karen > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > >>> Unsubscribe > >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb > >> community > > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > >>> Unsubscribe > >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb > >> community > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > >> Unsubscribe > >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > >> community > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > >> Unsubscribe > >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > >> community > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community >

Actually you can.You set up a new gmail account, link it, add the gedmatch number and you're done That WikiTree interprets certain laws in the most ridiculous way possible, doesn't stop me -----Original Message----- From: LornaMoa <lornamoa@gmail.com> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com>; rowantreek <rowantreek@gmail.com> Cc: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 23, 2018 2:26 pm Subject: Re: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA wjhonson, On WikiTree only the living person, signed in as themselves can attach DNA to their profile. Once it is attached WT will however propagate links on the profile throughout the 8 degrees of separation around the tree as connected (or subsequently amended). It is the latter part that needs people to check, collaborate and ensure the tree is accurate. But even so, a DNA link on a profile is just an indication that there may be someone out there who has tested who holds DNA information to aid the accuracy of the tree, it doesn't mean that they've inherited the right bits of DNA for whatever it is you are trying to prove. Karen, The FTDNA tree shown on your DNA test profile is yours, able to be shared to view (where all living other than yourself are privatised, and I think depending on your privacy settings also those born within 100 years but deceased) BUT not able to be editted by other than you. What you are doing by linking a close DNA match to your tree is showing _yourself_ where you believe they "fit" AND utilising FTDNA's phased matching routines to allocate them and their matches to the paternal/maternal buckets, which is a very useful feature, but of course only as good as _your_ research/tree. It is only worth doing this for up to actual (not predicted 2-4th which we all agree can be wildly optimistic as a prediction) 2nd cousins, with some 3rd cousin exceptions who share enough DNA with you, for the phasing routines to actually work. Linking in more distant cousins who share smaller amounts of DNA with you will not add to the Paternal/Maternal buckets in my experience. For Ancestry and MyHeritage, where trees form part of their package regardless of DNA, it is your choice how much control you keep over your own tree and what you allow others to do to it. Any DNA linking can only be done by the person managing the DNA kit, and only to trees they have permission to edit. Lorna Henderson http://LornaHen.com On 24/11/18 09:57, Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA wrote: > You can link the gedmatch kit of someone in wiki tree without their permission > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >  On Friday, November 23, 2018, Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> wrote: > > I agree. > > Both parties have to agree the relationship is correct before it is used to > sort other matches in common  into a paternal or maternal bucket. > > Unless the owner of the site gives permission to have their tree altered. > This is up to the individual to not invite a person to their tree [or > restrict what others can do when visiting their site] if you don't believe > they used the same level of research(source proving) as yourselves. If you > don't invite someone to fill in your tree ,you need to do it yourself by > exchanging information and checking it is right, then enter it to your > tree, and link the dna. Good old genealogy done right. > > I can't see that the other companies allow people to link DNA but they can > create trees that have the same people in and link the tree to their dna. > Can anyone confirm if this is the case with ancestry and my heritage? > Thank you for all the comments > > Karen > > On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 3:37 AM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >>    It isn't that you are linking their *tree* to your *tree*What you are >> doing is linking their DNA test to your tree.Doing that doesn't automatilly >> import their tree into your tree or anything like that >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> >> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 6:14 pm >> Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA >> >> Personally, I think you should have to have the permission of the tree >> owner to link anything. I don't like people adding things to my tree >> as most people are extremely bad genealogists - actually not >> genealogists - just tree copiers. I've spent 20 years gathering >> primary documents. Why should people be able to link to my tree or >> alter information in it without discussion? I'm not saying my tree >> might not have errors. Everyone makes mistakes. Anyone who copies >> anything from any online tree or any book should be aware that they >> could have errors, but most people don't seem to be. But I don't want >> people wildly adding errors without so much as a by-your-leave or >> discussion. >> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 4:24 PM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA >> <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>    At FTDNA you can link your relatives DNA to your tree without the need >> for them to do anything.You are the one doing all the linking >>> Wikitree also has this >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> >>> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 1:21 pm >>> Subject: [DNA] Linking DNA >>> >>> With family tree DNA you can link your DNA in your tree with relatives >> who >>> link their DNA in their tree to you. Do any of the other major testing >>> companies have this feature? >>> >>> Karen >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

wjhonson, On WikiTree only the living person, signed in as themselves can attach DNA to their profile. Once it is attached WT will however propagate links on the profile throughout the 8 degrees of separation around the tree as connected (or subsequently amended). It is the latter part that needs people to check, collaborate and ensure the tree is accurate. But even so, a DNA link on a profile is just an indication that there may be someone out there who has tested who holds DNA information to aid the accuracy of the tree, it doesn't mean that they've inherited the right bits of DNA for whatever it is you are trying to prove. Karen, The FTDNA tree shown on your DNA test profile is yours, able to be shared to view (where all living other than yourself are privatised, and I think depending on your privacy settings also those born within 100 years but deceased) BUT not able to be editted by other than you. What you are doing by linking a close DNA match to your tree is showing _yourself_ where you believe they "fit" AND utilising FTDNA's phased matching routines to allocate them and their matches to the paternal/maternal buckets, which is a very useful feature, but of course only as good as _your_ research/tree. It is only worth doing this for up to actual (not predicted 2-4th which we all agree can be wildly optimistic as a prediction) 2nd cousins, with some 3rd cousin exceptions who share enough DNA with you, for the phasing routines to actually work. Linking in more distant cousins who share smaller amounts of DNA with you will not add to the Paternal/Maternal buckets in my experience. For Ancestry and MyHeritage, where trees form part of their package regardless of DNA, it is your choice how much control you keep over your own tree and what you allow others to do to it. Any DNA linking can only be done by the person managing the DNA kit, and only to trees they have permission to edit. Lorna Henderson http://LornaHen.com On 24/11/18 09:57, Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA wrote: > You can link the gedmatch kit of someone in wiki tree without their permission > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > On Friday, November 23, 2018, Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> wrote: > > I agree. > > Both parties have to agree the relationship is correct before it is used to > sort other matches in common  into a paternal or maternal bucket. > > Unless the owner of the site gives permission to have their tree altered. > This is up to the individual to not invite a person to their tree [or > restrict what others can do when visiting their site] if you don't believe > they used the same level of research(source proving) as yourselves. If you > don't invite someone to fill in your tree ,you need to do it yourself by > exchanging information and checking it is right, then enter it to your > tree, and link the dna. Good old genealogy done right. > > I can't see that the other companies allow people to link DNA but they can > create trees that have the same people in and link the tree to their dna. > Can anyone confirm if this is the case with ancestry and my heritage? > Thank you for all the comments > > Karen > > On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 3:37 AM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >>   It isn't that you are linking their *tree* to your *tree*What you are >> doing is linking their DNA test to your tree.Doing that doesn't automatilly >> import their tree into your tree or anything like that >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> >> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 6:14 pm >> Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA >> >> Personally, I think you should have to have the permission of the tree >> owner to link anything. I don't like people adding things to my tree >> as most people are extremely bad genealogists - actually not >> genealogists - just tree copiers. I've spent 20 years gathering >> primary documents. Why should people be able to link to my tree or >> alter information in it without discussion? I'm not saying my tree >> might not have errors. Everyone makes mistakes. Anyone who copies >> anything from any online tree or any book should be aware that they >> could have errors, but most people don't seem to be. But I don't want >> people wildly adding errors without so much as a by-your-leave or >> discussion. >> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 4:24 PM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA >> <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>   At FTDNA you can link your relatives DNA to your tree without the need >> for them to do anything.You are the one doing all the linking >>> Wikitree also has this >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> >>> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 1:21 pm >>> Subject: [DNA] Linking DNA >>> >>> With family tree DNA you can link your DNA in your tree with relatives >> who >>> link their DNA in their tree to you. Do any of the other major testing >>> companies have this feature? >>> >>> Karen >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Can you be more specific? Are you talking about linking a kit to WikiTree or WikiTree to a kit? Are you talking about profiles and kits owned and managed by the individual to whom the profile and kit apply or by a third-party? If I am not mistaken, one must be a profile manager to link the WikiTree profile to GEDmatch. I would need to review permission on the GEDmatch side, but pointing to a profile that does not have public permission will only result in an error message. It is possible to spoof profiles and kits just as is done with email, factbook profiles, phone numbers, etc. But that's a different subject. -----Original Message----- From: Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA [mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com] Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 3:58 PM To: rowantreek@gmail.com Cc: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com; Wjhonson Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA You can link the gedmatch kit of someone in wiki tree without their permission Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Friday, November 23, 2018, Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> wrote: I agree. Both parties have to agree the relationship is correct before it is used to sort other matches in common into a paternal or maternal bucket. Unless the owner of the site gives permission to have their tree altered. This is up to the individual to not invite a person to their tree [or restrict what others can do when visiting their site] if you don't believe they used the same level of research(source proving) as yourselves. If you don't invite someone to fill in your tree ,you need to do it yourself by exchanging information and checking it is right, then enter it to your tree, and link the dna. Good old genealogy done right. I can't see that the other companies allow people to link DNA but they can create trees that have the same people in and link the tree to their dna. Can anyone confirm if this is the case with ancestry and my heritage? Thank you for all the comments Karen On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 3:37 AM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > It isn't that you are linking their *tree* to your *tree*What you are > doing is linking their DNA test to your tree.Doing that doesn't automatilly > import their tree into your tree or anything like that > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> > To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 6:14 pm > Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA > > Personally, I think you should have to have the permission of the tree > owner to link anything. I don't like people adding things to my tree > as most people are extremely bad genealogists - actually not > genealogists - just tree copiers. I've spent 20 years gathering > primary documents. Why should people be able to link to my tree or > alter information in it without discussion? I'm not saying my tree > might not have errors. Everyone makes mistakes. Anyone who copies > anything from any online tree or any book should be aware that they > could have errors, but most people don't seem to be. But I don't want > people wildly adding errors without so much as a by-your-leave or > discussion. > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 4:24 PM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA > <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > At FTDNA you can link your relatives DNA to your tree without the need > for them to do anything.You are the one doing all the linking > > Wikitree also has this > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> > > To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 1:21 pm > > Subject: [DNA] Linking DNA > > > > With family tree DNA you can link your DNA in your tree with relatives > who > > link their DNA in their tree to you. Do any of the other major testing > > companies have this feature? > > > > Karen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

You can link the gedmatch kit of someone in wiki tree without their permission  Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Friday, November 23, 2018, Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> wrote: I agree. Both parties have to agree the relationship is correct before it is used to sort other matches in common  into a paternal or maternal bucket. Unless the owner of the site gives permission to have their tree altered. This is up to the individual to not invite a person to their tree [or restrict what others can do when visiting their site] if you don't believe they used the same level of research(source proving) as yourselves. If you don't invite someone to fill in your tree ,you need to do it yourself by exchanging information and checking it is right, then enter it to your tree, and link the dna. Good old genealogy done right. I can't see that the other companies allow people to link DNA but they can create trees that have the same people in and link the tree to their dna. Can anyone confirm if this is the case with ancestry and my heritage? Thank you for all the comments Karen On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 3:37 AM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >  It isn't that you are linking their *tree* to your *tree*What you are > doing is linking their DNA test to your tree.Doing that doesn't automatilly > import their tree into your tree or anything like that > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> > To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 6:14 pm > Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA > > Personally, I think you should have to have the permission of the tree > owner to link anything. I don't like people adding things to my tree > as most people are extremely bad genealogists - actually not > genealogists - just tree copiers. I've spent 20 years gathering > primary documents. Why should people be able to link to my tree or > alter information in it without discussion? I'm not saying my tree > might not have errors. Everyone makes mistakes. Anyone who copies > anything from any online tree or any book should be aware that they > could have errors, but most people don't seem to be. But I don't want > people wildly adding errors without so much as a by-your-leave or > discussion. > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 4:24 PM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA > <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > >  At FTDNA you can link your relatives DNA to your tree without the need > for them to do anything.You are the one doing all the linking > > Wikitree also has this > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> > > To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 1:21 pm > > Subject: [DNA] Linking DNA > > > > With family tree DNA you can link your DNA in your tree with relatives > who > > link their DNA in their tree to you. Do any of the other major testing > > companies have this feature? > > > > Karen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I agree. Both parties have to agree the relationship is correct before it is used to sort other matches in common into a paternal or maternal bucket. Unless the owner of the site gives permission to have their tree altered. This is up to the individual to not invite a person to their tree [or restrict what others can do when visiting their site] if you don't believe they used the same level of research(source proving) as yourselves. If you don't invite someone to fill in your tree ,you need to do it yourself by exchanging information and checking it is right, then enter it to your tree, and link the dna. Good old genealogy done right. I can't see that the other companies allow people to link DNA but they can create trees that have the same people in and link the tree to their dna. Can anyone confirm if this is the case with ancestry and my heritage? Thank you for all the comments Karen On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 3:37 AM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > It isn't that you are linking their *tree* to your *tree*What you are > doing is linking their DNA test to your tree.Doing that doesn't automatilly > import their tree into your tree or anything like that > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> > To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 6:14 pm > Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA > > Personally, I think you should have to have the permission of the tree > owner to link anything. I don't like people adding things to my tree > as most people are extremely bad genealogists - actually not > genealogists - just tree copiers. I've spent 20 years gathering > primary documents. Why should people be able to link to my tree or > alter information in it without discussion? I'm not saying my tree > might not have errors. Everyone makes mistakes. Anyone who copies > anything from any online tree or any book should be aware that they > could have errors, but most people don't seem to be. But I don't want > people wildly adding errors without so much as a by-your-leave or > discussion. > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 4:24 PM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA > <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > At FTDNA you can link your relatives DNA to your tree without the need > for them to do anything.You are the one doing all the linking > > Wikitree also has this > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> > > To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 1:21 pm > > Subject: [DNA] Linking DNA > > > > With family tree DNA you can link your DNA in your tree with relatives > who > > link their DNA in their tree to you. Do any of the other major testing > > companies have this feature? > > > > Karen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

I no longer ask people who show up as my DNA relatives to join Gedmatch. Almost nobody joins. I do not know the reason. Must be somebody is circulating bad information about Gedmatch. Sam Sloan On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 9:37 AM Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> wrote: > It’s not Lindsey. I have given up trying to contact people on GEDmatch. > > Andreas > > Andreas West > Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): > http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 > > Author of https://www.yourDNA.family > > Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - > https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/ > > > On 24 Nov 2018, at 00:16, Lindsey Britton via GENEALOGY-DNA < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > I like GEDMATCH, but it isn't a substitute for useful matches. In my > experience most matches just aren't useful. They may masquerade as 2nd to > 4th cousins, but they are actually more distant and either don't answer > e-mails or don't know anything. I can't believe that my experience in this > regard is unusual. Lindsey > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

I agree with everything that has been said about the choices for posting your research on-line, except for one. I have been researching my ancestors for 24 years, and except for my own website, never posted any of my research on-line with any company or organization. I have known about and used the resources and trees on familysearch.org, but until recently I have not posted any information there. About 7 years ago, Family Search completely redid their family tree application.  Now, there is only ONE tree and everyone posts their information to that tree.  Every family has a monitor who can accept or reject the information posted by you and others. Mostly they monitor to see that the posts do not contain offensive or inappropriate information. When there are differences on facts, they research the issue and remove the incorrect information.  You can Watch each person you post and correct and challenge incorrect changes.  The monitor evaluates the situation and corrects the issue.  Adding sources and family information is very easy. I have been posting my research one person at a time, which some may not want to do, but I prefer it.  The Familt Search Family Tree staff have built a skeleton tree using information from census records and other original source documentation, usually with two sources.  When you find a skeleton entry for your ancestor, you just add your sources and information to the record.  Duplicate entries can be merged.  When you add a person you automatically go through a process to see if they are already there, before you create a new person. I could probably go on forever with praise for this application, but I won't bore you, try it you might like it. You will not have to worry about your research being lost.  I am sure that when Our World Comes to an end, the Family History Library will build a rocket to send our family history into space. AND, FOLKS, IT IS ENTIRELY FREE.  You do have to register to use the tree, but that is an administrative requirement. Marleen Van Horne

It’s not Lindsey. I have given up trying to contact people on GEDmatch. Andreas Andreas West Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 Author of https://www.yourDNA.family Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/ > On 24 Nov 2018, at 00:16, Lindsey Britton via GENEALOGY-DNA <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I like GEDMATCH, but it isn't a substitute for useful matches. In my experience most matches just aren't useful. They may masquerade as 2nd to 4th cousins, but they are actually more distant and either don't answer e-mails or don't know anything. I can't believe that my experience in this regard is unusual. Lindsey

And once you share that information, it goes into public trees *without* any of your confirmatory research.So future researchers simply see bald assertions without any documentation.Congrats on making things harder for others -----Original Message----- From: Joan Lince <joanklince@earthlink.net> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Cc: 'Lindsey Britton' <lplantagenet@aol.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 23, 2018 9:07 am Subject: [DNA] Re: Ancestry Trees I admit that my approach is purely selfish, but I had my DNA tested on Ancestry without posting a tree, yet I'm finding a lot of connections based on other people's trees. A lot of my matches are people I already knew about so in those cases trees aren't needed  but the DNA has the benefit of confirming the research. In other cases people unknown to me have posted trees that reveal ancestors a few generations back who I am also descended from. This has helped me especially when the paper trail is iffy, sometimes because of nonexistent records. I have contacted many matches I've been able to figure out, and offered to share information offline, by direct email or however. Joan -----Original Message----- From: Lindsey Britton via GENEALOGY-DNA [mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com] Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 11:24 AM To: GENEALOGY-DNA@rootsweb.com Cc: Lindsey Britton Subject: [DNA] Re: Ancestry Trees This discussion about Ancestry is making me have second thoughts about ordering.  How much can be accomplished at Ancestry DNA without a tree?  My understanding is that the tree makes it easy to identify matches with common ancestry.  It is definitely not easy to identify matches with common ancestry at FTDNA or GEDMATCH. I admit I have always had a negative feeling about Ancestry because it has helped spread flawed genealogies and, like Facebook, it monetizes customer data. Lindsey  You can delete your own tree Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Friday, November 23, 2018, Joan Lince <joanklince@earthlink.net> wrote: Carol, you are so right, and you made your point even clearer with the example. I once put a tree on Ancestry and others edited in some wrong information. The tree is still there, with my family name in its title, but with the errors it not only gives wrong information but reflects badly on our carefully documented  research. I wish I could delete the whole tree _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I admit that my approach is purely selfish, but I had my DNA tested on Ancestry without posting a tree, yet I'm finding a lot of connections based on other people's trees. A lot of my matches are people I already knew about so in those cases trees aren't needed but the DNA has the benefit of confirming the research. In other cases people unknown to me have posted trees that reveal ancestors a few generations back who I am also descended from. This has helped me especially when the paper trail is iffy, sometimes because of nonexistent records. I have contacted many matches I've been able to figure out, and offered to share information offline, by direct email or however. Joan -----Original Message----- From: Lindsey Britton via GENEALOGY-DNA [mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com] Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 11:24 AM To: GENEALOGY-DNA@rootsweb.com Cc: Lindsey Britton Subject: [DNA] Re: Ancestry Trees This discussion about Ancestry is making me have second thoughts about ordering. How much can be accomplished at Ancestry DNA without a tree? My understanding is that the tree makes it easy to identify matches with common ancestry. It is definitely not easy to identify matches with common ancestry at FTDNA or GEDMATCH. I admit I have always had a negative feeling about Ancestry because it has helped spread flawed genealogies and, like Facebook, it monetizes customer data. Lindsey You can delete your own tree Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Friday, November 23, 2018, Joan Lince <joanklince@earthlink.net> wrote: Carol, you are so right, and you made your point even clearer with the example. I once put a tree on Ancestry and others edited in some wrong information. The tree is still there, with my family name in its title, but with the errors it not only gives wrong information but reflects badly on our carefully documented research. I wish I could delete the whole tree _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

It isn't that you are linking their *tree* to your *tree*What you are doing is linking their DNA test to your tree.Doing that doesn't automatilly import their tree into your tree or anything like that -----Original Message----- From: Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 6:14 pm Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA Personally, I think you should have to have the permission of the tree owner to link anything. I don't like people adding things to my tree as most people are extremely bad genealogists - actually not genealogists - just tree copiers. I've spent 20 years gathering primary documents. Why should people be able to link to my tree or alter information in it without discussion? I'm not saying my tree might not have errors. Everyone makes mistakes. Anyone who copies anything from any online tree or any book should be aware that they could have errors, but most people don't seem to be. But I don't want people wildly adding errors without so much as a by-your-leave or discussion. On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 4:24 PM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >  At FTDNA you can link your relatives DNA to your tree without the need for them to do anything.You are the one doing all the linking > Wikitree also has this > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> > To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 1:21 pm > Subject: [DNA] Linking DNA > > With family tree DNA you can link your DNA in your tree with relatives who > link their DNA in their tree to you. Do any of the other major testing > companies have this feature? > > Karen > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

The way around this is triangulation and segment assignment  Then throw in self paid kits for eight of your nearest relatives and it won’t matter if other people answer your emails you can still tell that they are burrows or Thompsons or McCabes  Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Friday, November 23, 2018, Lindsey Britton via GENEALOGY-DNA <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: I like GEDMATCH, but it isn't a substitute for useful matches.  In my experience most matches just aren't useful.  They may masquerade as 2nd to 4th cousins, but they are actually more distant and either don't answer e-mails or don't know anything. I can't believe that my experience in this regard is unusual.   Lindsey ****************************** This is why you need to be using more specific tools like gedmatch _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Amen SamThose people who selfishly horde their data will be buried with it and all of that will be lost forever  Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Friday, November 23, 2018, Sam Sloan <samhsloan@gmail.com> wrote: The problem with all of this is most of the people who have spent years gathering the information that is in these Family Trees are dead now, and most of the few rest of us will be going there soon. I am 74.Do we want our information to die with us and be lost forever, or do we want to pass it on to those who in the future who might want it?I predict that perhaps 20-30 years in the future there will be just one family tree and the entire world population 7 billion people will be on it.Those of us doing DNA testing are finding out that our real family tree is completely different from what we imagined to be. Those who we thought were our close relatives are not our relatives, and those who we never imagined to be our relatives are our relatives. Why not let this process work out? There is nothing we can do to stop it or change it anyway.Sam Sloan On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 8:06 AM Sam Sloan <samhsloan@gmail.com> wrote: On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 8:04 AM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: You can delete your own tree Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com  On Friday, November 23, 2018, Joan Lince <joanklince@earthlink.net> wrote: Carol, you are so right, and you made your point even clearer with the example. I once put a tree on Ancestry and others edited in some wrong information. The tree is still there, with my family name in its title, but with the errors it not only gives wrong information but reflects badly on our carefully documented  research. I wish I could delete the whole tree. Joan -----Original Message----- From: Carol Anne [mailto:clkonfetti@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 12:53 AM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA Autosomal DNA testing does not lie and is not incorrect, though it is very difficult to work with beyond close relatives. The problem is attaching DNA to trees full of errors. If you have two DNA matches, both with the same erroneous copied info in their trees, they will attribute their segment of shared DNA to a person who is actually not an ancestor of either of them. You might say, "So what? They deserve it." But DNA companies are talking about doing the same thing, using the trees people have attached to their DNA to tell their customers what ancestors the shared DNA came from and build trees for them. DNA could be a wonderful tool, but it's being used to create an absolute mess and add to the chaos created by people who copy trees blindly. I wonder what percentage of trees online are filled with errors due to copying. Ancestry encourages this. I was trying to create a tree for a DNA match last week and Ancestry kept offering me hints and a potential father. It was crazy because the man would have had to be a bigamist to have been begetting children with one wife in MO and another in GA at the same time. It's possible today, but in the 1850s it would have been impossible for a farmer to keep running back and forth like that. Apparently so many people have copied that info into their tree that Ancestry tries very hard to get everyone to do the same with their hints. My conclusion was that they were two different men. I never succeeded in finding the true father of the man in MO, which was what I was trying to do. I think I know who his father was, but no proof, Certainly no descendants of this man who copy the info Ancestry offers them will ever know who his real father was. It would be great if a DNA company could hire professional genealogists to create a world family tree based on documents only and attach DNA matches to it only when they submitted sufficient documentation that they were a descendant of that person. Then we would really have something useful! Carol On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 10:38 PM Rhonda Flowers <rwflowers@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Hello Carol > > This is precisely why I will never have a tree on Ancestry. There are dozens > of trees with my paternal line information just copied and copied and copied > from one tree to another. Pre the internet it was easy to make a mistake > because there was limited information out there to be had. Family > information can be passed down orally but if it is based on the wrong > ancestor (with the same surname) then the error can be perpetuated ad > infinitum. > > This too, is precisely why DNA testing and matching is so important. When > primary documents are unavailable or conflicting; DNA can be used to set the > record straight;  even if there is a book sitting in the National Library > with unsupported incorrect ancestry information about ones family; perhaps > one day it will be acknowledged the inclusion of my family in it was an > error. > Cheers > Rhonda > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, 23 November 2018 1:14 PM > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA > > Personally, I think you should have to have the permission of the tree owner > to link anything. I don't like people adding things to my tree as most > people are extremely bad genealogists - actually not genealogists - just > tree copiers. I've spent 20 years gathering primary documents. Why should > people be able to link to my tree or alter information in it without > discussion? I'm not saying my tree might not have errors. Everyone makes > mistakes. Anyone who copies anything from any online tree or any book should > be aware that they could have errors, but most people don't seem to be. But > I don't want people wildly adding errors without so much as a by-your-leave > or discussion. > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 4:24 PM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA > <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > >  At FTDNA you can link your relatives DNA to your tree without the > > need for them to do anything.You are the one doing all the linking > > Wikitree also has this > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> > > To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 1:21 pm > > Subject: [DNA] Linking DNA > > > > With family tree DNA you can link your DNA in your tree with relatives > > who link their DNA in their tree to you. Do any of the other major > > testing companies have this feature? > > > > Karen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > RootsWeb community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is > funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

This discussion about Ancestry is making me have second thoughts about ordering.  How much can be accomplished at Ancestry DNA without a tree?  My understanding is that the tree makes it easy to identify matches with common ancestry.  It is definitely not easy to identify matches with common ancestry at FTDNA or GEDMATCH. I admit I have always had a negative feeling about Ancestry because it has helped spread flawed genealogies and, like Facebook, it monetizes customer data. Lindsey  You can delete your own tree Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Friday, November 23, 2018, Joan Lince <joanklince@earthlink.net> wrote: Carol, you are so right, and you made your point even clearer with the example. I once put a tree on Ancestry and others edited in some wrong information. The tree is still there, with my family name in its title, but with the errors it not only gives wrong information but reflects badly on our carefully documented  research. I wish I could delete the whole tree

The problem with all of this is most of the people who have spent years gathering the information that is in these Family Trees are dead now, and most of the few rest of us will be going there soon. I am 74. Do we want our information to die with us and be lost forever, or do we want to pass it on to those who in the future who might want it? I predict that perhaps 20-30 years in the future there will be just one family tree and the entire world population 7 billion people will be on it. Those of us doing DNA testing are finding out that our real family tree is completely different from what we imagined to be. Those who we thought were our close relatives are not our relatives, and those who we never imagined to be our relatives are our relatives. Why not let this process work out? There is nothing we can do to stop it or change it anyway. Sam Sloan On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 8:06 AM Sam Sloan <samhsloan@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 8:04 AM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> You can delete your own tree >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >> On Friday, November 23, 2018, Joan Lince <joanklince@earthlink.net >> > wrote: >> >> Carol, you are so right, and you made your point even clearer with the >> example. I once put a tree on Ancestry and others edited in some wrong >> information. The tree is still there, with my family name in its title, >> but >> with the errors it not only gives wrong information but reflects badly on >> our carefully documented research. I wish I could delete the whole tree. >> >> Joan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carol Anne [mailto:clkonfetti@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 12:53 AM >> To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA >> >> Autosomal DNA testing does not lie and is not incorrect, though it is >> very difficult to work with beyond close relatives. The problem is >> attaching DNA to trees full of errors. If you have two DNA matches, >> both with the same erroneous copied info in their trees, they will >> attribute their segment of shared DNA to a person who is actually not >> an ancestor of either of them. >> >> You might say, "So what? They deserve it." But DNA companies are >> talking about doing the same thing, using the trees people have >> attached to their DNA to tell their customers what ancestors the >> shared DNA came from and build trees for them. DNA could be a >> wonderful tool, but it's being used to create an absolute mess and add >> to the chaos created by people who copy trees blindly. I wonder what >> percentage of trees online are filled with errors due to copying. >> >> Ancestry encourages this. I was trying to create a tree for a DNA >> match last week and Ancestry kept offering me hints and a potential >> father. It was crazy because the man would have had to be a bigamist >> to have been begetting children with one wife in MO and another in GA >> at the same time. It's possible today, but in the 1850s it would have >> been impossible for a farmer to keep running back and forth like that. >> Apparently so many people have copied that info into their tree that >> Ancestry tries very hard to get everyone to do the same with their >> hints. My conclusion was that they were two different men. I never >> succeeded in finding the true father of the man in MO, which was what >> I was trying to do. I think I know who his father was, but no proof, >> Certainly no descendants of this man who copy the info Ancestry offers >> them will ever know who his real father was. >> >> It would be great if a DNA company could hire professional >> genealogists to create a world family tree based on documents only and >> attach DNA matches to it only when they submitted sufficient >> documentation that they were a descendant of that person. Then we >> would really have something useful! >> >> Carol >> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 10:38 PM Rhonda Flowers >> <rwflowers@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> > >> > Hello Carol >> > >> > This is precisely why I will never have a tree on Ancestry. There are >> dozens >> > of trees with my paternal line information just copied and copied and >> copied >> > from one tree to another. Pre the internet it was easy to make a mistake >> > because there was limited information out there to be had. Family >> > information can be passed down orally but if it is based on the wrong >> > ancestor (with the same surname) then the error can be perpetuated ad >> > infinitum. >> > >> > This too, is precisely why DNA testing and matching is so important. >> When >> > primary documents are unavailable or conflicting; DNA can be used to set >> the >> > record straight; even if there is a book sitting in the National >> Library >> > with unsupported incorrect ancestry information about ones family; >> perhaps >> > one day it will be acknowledged the inclusion of my family in it was an >> > error. >> > Cheers >> > Rhonda >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> >> > Sent: Friday, 23 November 2018 1:14 PM >> > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA >> > >> > Personally, I think you should have to have the permission of the tree >> owner >> > to link anything. I don't like people adding things to my tree as most >> > people are extremely bad genealogists - actually not genealogists - just >> > tree copiers. I've spent 20 years gathering primary documents. Why >> should >> > people be able to link to my tree or alter information in it without >> > discussion? I'm not saying my tree might not have errors. Everyone makes >> > mistakes. Anyone who copies anything from any online tree or any book >> should >> > be aware that they could have errors, but most people don't seem to be. >> But >> > I don't want people wildly adding errors without so much as a >> by-your-leave >> > or discussion. >> > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 4:24 PM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA >> > <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > At FTDNA you can link your relatives DNA to your tree without the >> > > need for them to do anything.You are the one doing all the linking >> > > Wikitree also has this >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> >> > > To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> >> > > Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 1:21 pm >> > > Subject: [DNA] Linking DNA >> > > >> > > With family tree DNA you can link your DNA in your tree with relatives >> > > who link their DNA in their tree to you. Do any of the other major >> > > testing companies have this feature? >> > > >> > > Karen >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >> > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >> > > RootsWeb community >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >> > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >> > > RootsWeb community >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >> > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is >> > funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> > Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >

I like GEDMATCH, but it isn't a substitute for useful matches.  In my experience most matches just aren't useful.  They may masquerade as 2nd to 4th cousins, but they are actually more distant and either don't answer e-mails or don't know anything. I can't believe that my experience in this regard is unusual.   Lindsey ****************************** This is why you need to be using more specific tools like gedmatch

On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 8:04 AM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > You can delete your own tree > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > On Friday, November 23, 2018, Joan Lince <joanklince@earthlink.net > > wrote: > > Carol, you are so right, and you made your point even clearer with the > example. I once put a tree on Ancestry and others edited in some wrong > information. The tree is still there, with my family name in its title, but > with the errors it not only gives wrong information but reflects badly on > our carefully documented research. I wish I could delete the whole tree. > > Joan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Anne [mailto:clkonfetti@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 12:53 AM > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA > > Autosomal DNA testing does not lie and is not incorrect, though it is > very difficult to work with beyond close relatives. The problem is > attaching DNA to trees full of errors. If you have two DNA matches, > both with the same erroneous copied info in their trees, they will > attribute their segment of shared DNA to a person who is actually not > an ancestor of either of them. > > You might say, "So what? They deserve it." But DNA companies are > talking about doing the same thing, using the trees people have > attached to their DNA to tell their customers what ancestors the > shared DNA came from and build trees for them. DNA could be a > wonderful tool, but it's being used to create an absolute mess and add > to the chaos created by people who copy trees blindly. I wonder what > percentage of trees online are filled with errors due to copying. > > Ancestry encourages this. I was trying to create a tree for a DNA > match last week and Ancestry kept offering me hints and a potential > father. It was crazy because the man would have had to be a bigamist > to have been begetting children with one wife in MO and another in GA > at the same time. It's possible today, but in the 1850s it would have > been impossible for a farmer to keep running back and forth like that. > Apparently so many people have copied that info into their tree that > Ancestry tries very hard to get everyone to do the same with their > hints. My conclusion was that they were two different men. I never > succeeded in finding the true father of the man in MO, which was what > I was trying to do. I think I know who his father was, but no proof, > Certainly no descendants of this man who copy the info Ancestry offers > them will ever know who his real father was. > > It would be great if a DNA company could hire professional > genealogists to create a world family tree based on documents only and > attach DNA matches to it only when they submitted sufficient > documentation that they were a descendant of that person. Then we > would really have something useful! > > Carol > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 10:38 PM Rhonda Flowers > <rwflowers@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > Hello Carol > > > > This is precisely why I will never have a tree on Ancestry. There are > dozens > > of trees with my paternal line information just copied and copied and > copied > > from one tree to another. Pre the internet it was easy to make a mistake > > because there was limited information out there to be had. Family > > information can be passed down orally but if it is based on the wrong > > ancestor (with the same surname) then the error can be perpetuated ad > > infinitum. > > > > This too, is precisely why DNA testing and matching is so important. When > > primary documents are unavailable or conflicting; DNA can be used to set > the > > record straight; even if there is a book sitting in the National Library > > with unsupported incorrect ancestry information about ones family; > perhaps > > one day it will be acknowledged the inclusion of my family in it was an > > error. > > Cheers > > Rhonda > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> > > Sent: Friday, 23 November 2018 1:14 PM > > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA > > > > Personally, I think you should have to have the permission of the tree > owner > > to link anything. I don't like people adding things to my tree as most > > people are extremely bad genealogists - actually not genealogists - just > > tree copiers. I've spent 20 years gathering primary documents. Why should > > people be able to link to my tree or alter information in it without > > discussion? I'm not saying my tree might not have errors. Everyone makes > > mistakes. Anyone who copies anything from any online tree or any book > should > > be aware that they could have errors, but most people don't seem to be. > But > > I don't want people wildly adding errors without so much as a > by-your-leave > > or discussion. > > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 4:24 PM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA > > <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > > At FTDNA you can link your relatives DNA to your tree without the > > > need for them to do anything.You are the one doing all the linking > > > Wikitree also has this > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> > > > To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 1:21 pm > > > Subject: [DNA] Linking DNA > > > > > > With family tree DNA you can link your DNA in your tree with relatives > > > who link their DNA in their tree to you. Do any of the other major > > > testing companies have this feature? > > > > > > Karen > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > > RootsWeb community > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > > RootsWeb community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb > is > > funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

You can delete your own tree Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Friday, November 23, 2018, Joan Lince <joanklince@earthlink.net> wrote: Carol, you are so right, and you made your point even clearer with the example. I once put a tree on Ancestry and others edited in some wrong information. The tree is still there, with my family name in its title, but with the errors it not only gives wrong information but reflects badly on our carefully documented  research. I wish I could delete the whole tree. Joan -----Original Message----- From: Carol Anne [mailto:clkonfetti@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 12:53 AM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA Autosomal DNA testing does not lie and is not incorrect, though it is very difficult to work with beyond close relatives. The problem is attaching DNA to trees full of errors. If you have two DNA matches, both with the same erroneous copied info in their trees, they will attribute their segment of shared DNA to a person who is actually not an ancestor of either of them. You might say, "So what? They deserve it." But DNA companies are talking about doing the same thing, using the trees people have attached to their DNA to tell their customers what ancestors the shared DNA came from and build trees for them. DNA could be a wonderful tool, but it's being used to create an absolute mess and add to the chaos created by people who copy trees blindly. I wonder what percentage of trees online are filled with errors due to copying. Ancestry encourages this. I was trying to create a tree for a DNA match last week and Ancestry kept offering me hints and a potential father. It was crazy because the man would have had to be a bigamist to have been begetting children with one wife in MO and another in GA at the same time. It's possible today, but in the 1850s it would have been impossible for a farmer to keep running back and forth like that. Apparently so many people have copied that info into their tree that Ancestry tries very hard to get everyone to do the same with their hints. My conclusion was that they were two different men. I never succeeded in finding the true father of the man in MO, which was what I was trying to do. I think I know who his father was, but no proof, Certainly no descendants of this man who copy the info Ancestry offers them will ever know who his real father was. It would be great if a DNA company could hire professional genealogists to create a world family tree based on documents only and attach DNA matches to it only when they submitted sufficient documentation that they were a descendant of that person. Then we would really have something useful! Carol On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 10:38 PM Rhonda Flowers <rwflowers@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Hello Carol > > This is precisely why I will never have a tree on Ancestry. There are dozens > of trees with my paternal line information just copied and copied and copied > from one tree to another. Pre the internet it was easy to make a mistake > because there was limited information out there to be had. Family > information can be passed down orally but if it is based on the wrong > ancestor (with the same surname) then the error can be perpetuated ad > infinitum. > > This too, is precisely why DNA testing and matching is so important. When > primary documents are unavailable or conflicting; DNA can be used to set the > record straight;  even if there is a book sitting in the National Library > with unsupported incorrect ancestry information about ones family; perhaps > one day it will be acknowledged the inclusion of my family in it was an > error. > Cheers > Rhonda > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, 23 November 2018 1:14 PM > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA > > Personally, I think you should have to have the permission of the tree owner > to link anything. I don't like people adding things to my tree as most > people are extremely bad genealogists - actually not genealogists - just > tree copiers. I've spent 20 years gathering primary documents. Why should > people be able to link to my tree or alter information in it without > discussion? I'm not saying my tree might not have errors. Everyone makes > mistakes. Anyone who copies anything from any online tree or any book should > be aware that they could have errors, but most people don't seem to be. But > I don't want people wildly adding errors without so much as a by-your-leave > or discussion. > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 4:24 PM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA > <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > >  At FTDNA you can link your relatives DNA to your tree without the > > need for them to do anything.You are the one doing all the linking > > Wikitree also has this > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> > > To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 1:21 pm > > Subject: [DNA] Linking DNA > > > > With family tree DNA you can link your DNA in your tree with relatives > > who link their DNA in their tree to you. Do any of the other major > > testing companies have this feature? > > > > Karen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > RootsWeb community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is > funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

There is absolutely no way that a 100% match on gedmatch could be false  Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Friday, November 23, 2018, Joan Lince <joanklince@earthlink.net> wrote: Although GEDmatch has many virtues, there's no way of getting around the privacy concerns it raises. I and my sister were on GEDmatch, but ended up deleting our records there because of the risk of leading someone to one or more of her grandchildren for a false accusation sometime in the future. Joan -----Original Message----- From: Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA [mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com] Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 10:28 AM To: clkonfetti@gmail.com Cc: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com; Wjhonson Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA This is why you need to be using more specific tools like gedmatch Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Thursday, November 22, 2018, Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> wrote: Autosomal DNA testing does not lie and is not incorrect, though it is very difficult to work with beyond close relatives. The problem is attaching DNA to trees full of errors. If you have two DNA matches, both with the same erroneous copied info in their trees, they will attribute their segment of shared DNA to a person who is actually not an ancestor of either of them. You might say, "So what? They deserve it." But DNA companies are talking about doing the same thing, using the trees people have attached to their DNA to tell their customers what ancestors the shared DNA came from and build trees for them. DNA could be a wonderful tool, but it's being used to create an absolute mess and add to the chaos created by people who copy trees blindly. I wonder what percentage of trees online are filled with errors due to copying. Ancestry encourages this. I was trying to create a tree for a DNA match last week and Ancestry kept offering me hints and a potential father. It was crazy because the man would have had to be a bigamist to have been begetting children with one wife in MO and another in GA at the same time. It's possible today, but in the 1850s it would have been impossible for a farmer to keep running back and forth like that. Apparently so many people have copied that info into their tree that Ancestry tries very hard to get everyone to do the same with their hints. My conclusion was that they were two different men. I never succeeded in finding the true father of the man in MO, which was what I was trying to do. I think I know who his father was, but no proof, Certainly no descendants of this man who copy the info Ancestry offers them will ever know who his real father was. It would be great if a DNA company could hire professional genealogists to create a world family tree based on documents only and attach DNA matches to it only when they submitted sufficient documentation that they were a descendant of that person. Then we would really have something useful! Carol On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 10:38 PM Rhonda Flowers <rwflowers@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Hello Carol > > This is precisely why I will never have a tree on Ancestry. There are dozens > of trees with my paternal line information just copied and copied and copied > from one tree to another. Pre the internet it was easy to make a mistake > because there was limited information out there to be had. Family > information can be passed down orally but if it is based on the wrong > ancestor (with the same surname) then the error can be perpetuated ad > infinitum. > > This too, is precisely why DNA testing and matching is so important. When > primary documents are unavailable or conflicting; DNA can be used to set the > record straight;  even if there is a book sitting in the National Library > with unsupported incorrect ancestry information about ones family; perhaps > one day it will be acknowledged the inclusion of my family in it was an > error. > Cheers > Rhonda > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, 23 November 2018 1:14 PM > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA > > Personally, I think you should have to have the permission of the tree owner > to link anything. I don't like people adding things to my tree as most > people are extremely bad genealogists - actually not genealogists - just > tree copiers. I've spent 20 years gathering primary documents. Why should > people be able to link to my tree or alter information in it without > discussion? I'm not saying my tree might not have errors. Everyone makes > mistakes. Anyone who copies anything from any online tree or any book should > be aware that they could have errors, but most people don't seem to be. But > I don't want people wildly adding errors without so much as a by-your-leave > or discussion. > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 4:24 PM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA > <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > >  At FTDNA you can link your relatives DNA to your tree without the > > need for them to do anything.You are the one doing all the linking > > Wikitree also has this > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> > > To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 1:21 pm > > Subject: [DNA] Linking DNA > > > > With family tree DNA you can link your DNA in your tree with relatives > > who link their DNA in their tree to you. Do any of the other major > > testing companies have this feature? > > > > Karen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > RootsWeb community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is > funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community