The Facebook poll was directed to people who already had kits on GEDmatch. I have another metric that might address response bias, since it's based on actions people actually took. I downloaded a snapshot of my match list the day that the use of GEDmatch was revealed and for several months thereafter. About 2% of my matches had dropped out, with about half of those converting the kit to Research only and the other half removing their kits entirely. I do think you're right about the visceral reaction depending on the closeness of the relatives used to generate the investigative leads. So far, it has been in the 2nd to 3rd cousin range, and the matches are most likely not even aware that their kit was used. It would be devastating to learn that a closer relative was involved, but that would be true no matter how the suspect was identified. Ann Turner On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 4:43 AM Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> wrote: > Sorry Ann, I didn’t read the post beyond the first survey which I referred > to l. I ignored the more detailed and international survey results, which > are indeed very different and the responders are closer to the subgroup > they responded in our survey. > > I guess it’s all down to how you ask the questions and you can get > different results. > > Let’s take an example: > > a) Would you be ok that your DNA results is used by law enforcements to > identify a suspect of a violent crime in your immediately and close family? > > b) Would you be ok that your DNA results is used by law enforcements to > identify a suspect of a violent crime? > > I assume (because this could only be tested with randomly showing either > one of such type of questions) that the percentage saying “Yes” would be > significantly different under the circumstances of anonymity of the > internet. > > Because in public most of us would still say “Yes”, that’s the answer that > social pressure urges us to give. Or we don’t answer at all and stay silent. > > I guess you all get my point. > > Anyway, the purpose of our app is clearly defined and GEDmatch is working > with the law enforcements already, with a large database of 1 million or > so. Seems perfectly ok that we do focus to use familial search for our > hobby only and to help those who are in search of close family. > > > Andreas > > Andreas West > Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): > http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 > > Author of https://www.yourDNA.family > > Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - > https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/ > > > On 25 Nov 2018, at 20:24, Ann Turner <dnacousins@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Sorry about the incomplete message, which "my mouse" must have sent when > I > > was looking up the URL. > > > > That's an interesting contrast to a poll on Facebook about a month after > > the GSK arrest, where about 90% stated they planned to keep their > GEDmatch > > kits public. > > > > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/geneticgenealogytipsandtechniques/permalink/419979728465733/ > > > > Maurice Gleeson conducted a more detailed poll recently and posted a > > summary here: > > > > > https://dnaandfamilytreeresearch.blogspot.com/2018/11/how-do-you-feel-about-your-dna-being.html > > > > I imagine there will be a lot of media coverage when the trial does > begin. > > There is a right to a speedy trial, but both the prosecution and defense > > can request continuances. I think it will be a while before the trial > takes > > place. > > > > Ann Turner > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 4:13 AM Ann Turner <dnacousins@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> That's an interesting contrast to results of a poll on FB > >> > >> > >> > https://dnaandfamilytreeresearch.blogspot.com/2018/11/how-do-you-feel-about-your-dna-being.html > >> > >>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 11:37 PM Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> wrote: > >>> > >>> I did run a survey with the 900 followers of our app’s Facebook page > and > >>> asked them if they want that we explicitly DENY law enforcements to > use our > >>> app by uploading DNA data that was found at a crime scene. 2/3 of the > >>> answers were “Yes”, 1/3 was a “No”. This seems to support what you > wrote > >>> below, Joan. > >>> > >>> While I want that those who did these rape’s & murder’s to be properly > >>> prosecuted, we will follow the majority vote and not allow the said > >>> practice that law enforcements have used to identify now more than 14 > (or > >>> more) suspects. > >>> > >>> Please do note that despite how most media calls them, they are > >>> “suspects” and suppose to be innocent until proven otherwise. > >>> Unfortunately, most media doesn’t use such terms (the term “Golden > State > >>> Killer” sells more clicks than “suspect in the Golden State Killer > case" > >>> and it’s questionable if they ever get a fair trial as their DNA was > found > >>> at the crime scene. To my knowledge, not a single one is currently > >>> prosecuted which seems to indicated that things aren’t as easy as > getting a > >>> DNA match. > >>> > >>> Our app is for the purpose of finding close relatives and ancestors to > >>> those who seek them for either: > >>> > >>> a) their genealogy hobby > >>> > >>> b) to identify their birth parent(s) or birth parents of close > relatives > >>> > >>> > >>> Andreas > >>> > >>> Andreas West > >>> Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): > >>> http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 < > >>> http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5> > >>> > >>> Author of https://www.yourDNA.family <https://www.yourdna.family/> > >>> > >>> Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - < > >>> https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/> > >>> https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/ < > >>> https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/> > >>> > >>>> On Nov25, 2018, at 05:53, Joan Lince <joanklince@earthlink.net> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I think the reason many people resist copying over to GEDmatch is that > >>> it doesn't have the privacy protection that most of the vendors have. > >>>> > >>>> Joan > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > >>> Unsubscribe > >>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > >>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > >>> community > >>> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

I did not go to this discussion at GGI led by Maurice - as my wife had broken her arm. Much to my great sadness, as I laid out the airfare and hotel expense. I think the point about establishing whether these cases lead to convictions is absolutely key to their credibility and longer-term use. There was one other point in Maurice's analysis which really did alarm me. "I was drawn to the unusual results for Ireland, which I can partially attribute to my own Irish bias as an Irishman. Only 64% of responders were "reasonably comfortable" with the use of their DNA results by law enforcement agencies, and only 4% felt that existing regulations were sufficient. In fact, 64% felt that additional regulation was essential. But why this stark contrast to other countries? I am mindful of the 1200 unsolved murders in Northern Ireland that could potentially be resolved through the use of these Genetic Genealogy techniques. But is that going to open a can of worms? Might old animosities be rekindled? Might it spark a resurgence of the violence? Is it better to let the dead rest?" Maurice has flagged these as questions. I would turn all these rhetorical questions around and say that it will not happen for those precise reasons in Northern Ireland. We have, and going to continue to have, ongoing issues with the DUP in Ireland and Brexit for the short-term foreseeable future. You tend not to be aware of those issues if you live outside of the UK. I would also go along with Maurice's comment at the end: "In short, there is a need to explore the pros and cons of additional regulation, and the pros and cons of no additional regulation ... country by country." If Maurice is seriously proposing to take that on - as an ongoing reporting situation for the foreseeable future - I wish him the very, very best of luck! We have not sampled properly the vast masses of scientifically illiterate members of our communities. We have sampled reasonably intelligent, reasonably scientifically literate folk - and are likely to be the most supportive of the use of DNA in such criminal scenarios. I think all this will run, and run, and run - as the amount of education required to reach an informed opinion is absolutely vast - in practice. We are only scratching the surface of the issues here. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> Sent: 25 November 2018 12:43 To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA Sorry Ann, I didn’t read the post beyond the first survey which I referred to. I ignored the more detailed and international survey results, which are indeed very different and the responders are closer to the subgroup they responded in our survey. I guess it’s all down to how you ask the questions and you can get different results. Let’s take an example: a) Would you be ok that your DNA results is used by law enforcements to identify a suspect of a violent crime in your immediately and close family? b) Would you be ok that your DNA results is used by law enforcements to identify a suspect of a violent crime? I assume (because this could only be tested with randomly showing either one of such type of questions) that the percentage saying “Yes” would be significantly different under the circumstances of anonymity of the internet. Because in public most of us would still say “Yes”, that’s the answer that social pressure urges us to give. Or we don’t answer at all and stay silent. I guess you all get my point. Anyway, the purpose of our app is clearly defined and GEDmatch is working with the law enforcements already, with a large database of 1 million or so. Seems perfectly ok that we do focus to use familial search for our hobby only and to help those who are in search of close family. Andreas Andreas West Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 Author of https://www.yourDNA.family Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/ On 25 Nov 2018, at 20:24, Ann Turner <dnacousins@gmail.com> wrote: Sorry about the incomplete message, which "my mouse" must have sent when I was looking up the URL. That's an interesting contrast to a poll on Facebook about a month after the GSK arrest, where about 90% stated they planned to keep their GEDmatch kits public. https://www.facebook.com/groups/geneticgenealogytipsandtechniques/permalink/419979728465733/ Maurice Gleeson conducted a more detailed poll recently and posted a summary here: https://dnaandfamilytreeresearch.blogspot.com/2018/11/how-do-you-feel-about-your-dna-being.html I imagine there will be a lot of media coverage when the trial does begin. There is a right to a speedy trial, but both the prosecution and defense can request continuances. I think it will be a while before the trial takes place. Ann Turner On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 4:13 AM Ann Turner <dnacousins@gmail.com> wrote: That's an interesting contrast to results of a poll on FB https://dnaandfamilytreeresearch.blogspot.com/2018/11/how-do-you-feel-about-your-dna-being.html On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 11:37 PM Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> wrote: I did run a survey with the 900 followers of our app’s Facebook page and asked them if they want that we explicitly DENY law enforcements to use our app by uploading DNA data that was found at a crime scene. 2/3 of the answers were “Yes”, 1/3 was a “No”. This seems to support what you wrote below, Joan. While I want that those who did these rapes & murders to be properly prosecuted, we will follow the majority vote and not allow the said practice that law enforcements have used to identify now more than 14 (or more) suspects. Please do note that despite how most media calls them, they are “suspects” and suppose to be innocent until proven otherwise. Unfortunately, most media doesn’t use such terms (the term “Golden State Killer” sells more clicks than “suspect in the Golden State Killer case" and it’s questionable if they ever get a fair trial as their DNA was found at the crime scene. To my knowledge, not a single one is currently prosecuted which seems to indicated that things aren’t as easy as getting a DNA match. Our app is for the purpose of finding close relatives and ancestors to those who seek them for either: a) their genealogy hobby b) to identify their birth parent(s) or birth parents of close relative Andreas Andreas West Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5

You need to look at the Y-SNP cascades down to each of these markers - and is one on the path down to the other. There is a separate question as to whether any of the can be used as a marker for Wales - and is there any crossover in to Ireland, and does it pick up south Wales as well as north Wales. Forget about what any specific location claims are made for either marker to begin with. Use the ISOGG Haplotree or FTDNAs new Haplotree to find out. I would like to know your answer to this one too - given my historic interests in Wales. Brian -----Original Message----- From: David Gough <familypast@gmail.com> Sent: 25 November 2018 11:01 To: GENEALOGY-DNA@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Which Haplogroup A few years ago I was designated as belonging to the L371 ychromosome haplogroup. Known commonly as Ancient Welsh. My surname is of Welsh origin, most of my matches have Welsh surnames or geographical connections with that country. Although I have no known personal family history of a connection with Wales. Now I have recently tested with LivingDNA. And they now designate me as being L-1065, associated with Scottish origins, I do have known family connections with Scotland. So what the heck am I really? *David* _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Sorry Ann, I didn’t read the post beyond the first survey which I referred to l. I ignored the more detailed and international survey results, which are indeed very different and the responders are closer to the subgroup they responded in our survey. I guess it’s all down to how you ask the questions and you can get different results. Let’s take an example: a) Would you be ok that your DNA results is used by law enforcements to identify a suspect of a violent crime in your immediately and close family? b) Would you be ok that your DNA results is used by law enforcements to identify a suspect of a violent crime? I assume (because this could only be tested with randomly showing either one of such type of questions) that the percentage saying “Yes” would be significantly different under the circumstances of anonymity of the internet. Because in public most of us would still say “Yes”, that’s the answer that social pressure urges us to give. Or we don’t answer at all and stay silent. I guess you all get my point. Anyway, the purpose of our app is clearly defined and GEDmatch is working with the law enforcements already, with a large database of 1 million or so. Seems perfectly ok that we do focus to use familial search for our hobby only and to help those who are in search of close family. Andreas Andreas West Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 Author of https://www.yourDNA.family Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/ > On 25 Nov 2018, at 20:24, Ann Turner <dnacousins@gmail.com> wrote: > > Sorry about the incomplete message, which "my mouse" must have sent when I > was looking up the URL. > > That's an interesting contrast to a poll on Facebook about a month after > the GSK arrest, where about 90% stated they planned to keep their GEDmatch > kits public. > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/geneticgenealogytipsandtechniques/permalink/419979728465733/ > > Maurice Gleeson conducted a more detailed poll recently and posted a > summary here: > > https://dnaandfamilytreeresearch.blogspot.com/2018/11/how-do-you-feel-about-your-dna-being.html > > I imagine there will be a lot of media coverage when the trial does begin. > There is a right to a speedy trial, but both the prosecution and defense > can request continuances. I think it will be a while before the trial takes > place. > > Ann Turner > > > > > >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 4:13 AM Ann Turner <dnacousins@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> That's an interesting contrast to results of a poll on FB >> >> >> https://dnaandfamilytreeresearch.blogspot.com/2018/11/how-do-you-feel-about-your-dna-being.html >> >>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 11:37 PM Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> wrote: >>> >>> I did run a survey with the 900 followers of our app’s Facebook page and >>> asked them if they want that we explicitly DENY law enforcements to use our >>> app by uploading DNA data that was found at a crime scene. 2/3 of the >>> answers were “Yes”, 1/3 was a “No”. This seems to support what you wrote >>> below, Joan. >>> >>> While I want that those who did these rape’s & murder’s to be properly >>> prosecuted, we will follow the majority vote and not allow the said >>> practice that law enforcements have used to identify now more than 14 (or >>> more) suspects. >>> >>> Please do note that despite how most media calls them, they are >>> “suspects” and suppose to be innocent until proven otherwise. >>> Unfortunately, most media doesn’t use such terms (the term “Golden State >>> Killer” sells more clicks than “suspect in the Golden State Killer case" >>> and it’s questionable if they ever get a fair trial as their DNA was found >>> at the crime scene. To my knowledge, not a single one is currently >>> prosecuted which seems to indicated that things aren’t as easy as getting a >>> DNA match. >>> >>> Our app is for the purpose of finding close relatives and ancestors to >>> those who seek them for either: >>> >>> a) their genealogy hobby >>> >>> b) to identify their birth parent(s) or birth parents of close relatives >>> >>> >>> Andreas >>> >>> Andreas West >>> Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): >>> http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 < >>> http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5> >>> >>> Author of https://www.yourDNA.family <https://www.yourdna.family/> >>> >>> Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - < >>> https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/> >>> https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/ < >>> https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/> >>> >>>> On Nov25, 2018, at 05:53, Joan Lince <joanklince@earthlink.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> I think the reason many people resist copying over to GEDmatch is that >>> it doesn't have the privacy protection that most of the vendors have. >>>> >>>> Joan >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> Unsubscribe >>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >>> community >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I don’t think so, Ann. My survey was done specifically with those people being so interested in DNA & genealogy, that follow our app’s page. So a very coherent and specific subgroup of the general population of the World! Whereas the survey you refer to was conducted with the following participants: “Participants were aged 18 years or older and were recruited from the general US population.” So we have two quite distinct groups here. Not only is the FB group more international which usually means a higher level of privacy is important to them (especially to Europeans). But it’s also a group of people who has actively submitted their time and DNA results for the purpose of their hobby. That’s there main motivation. Here is the link and 10% of our followers (back then) answered the poll: https://www.facebook.com/360575541023105/posts/442152139532111/ Andreas Andreas West Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 Author of https://www.yourDNA.family Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/ > On 25 Nov 2018, at 20:13, Ann Turner <dnacousins@gmail.com> wrote: > > That's an interesting contrast to results of a poll on FB > > https://dnaandfamilytreeresearch.blogspot.com/2018/11/how-do-you-feel-about-your-dna-being.html > >> On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 11:37 PM Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> wrote: >> >> I did run a survey with the 900 followers of our app’s Facebook page and >> asked them if they want that we explicitly DENY law enforcements to use our >> app by uploading DNA data that was found at a crime scene. 2/3 of the >> answers were “Yes”, 1/3 was a “No”. This seems to support what you wrote >> below, Joan. >> >> While I want that those who did these rape’s & murder’s to be properly >> prosecuted, we will follow the majority vote and not allow the said >> practice that law enforcements have used to identify now more than 14 (or >> more) suspects. >> >> Please do note that despite how most media calls them, they are “suspects” >> and suppose to be innocent until proven otherwise. Unfortunately, most >> media doesn’t use such terms (the term “Golden State Killer” sells more >> clicks than “suspect in the Golden State Killer case" and it’s questionable >> if they ever get a fair trial as their DNA was found at the crime scene. To >> my knowledge, not a single one is currently prosecuted which seems to >> indicated that things aren’t as easy as getting a DNA match. >> >> Our app is for the purpose of finding close relatives and ancestors to >> those who seek them for either: >> >> a) their genealogy hobby >> >> b) to identify their birth parent(s) or birth parents of close relatives >> >> >> Andreas

Sorry about the incomplete message, which "my mouse" must have sent when I was looking up the URL. That's an interesting contrast to a poll on Facebook about a month after the GSK arrest, where about 90% stated they planned to keep their GEDmatch kits public. https://www.facebook.com/groups/geneticgenealogytipsandtechniques/permalink/419979728465733/ Maurice Gleeson conducted a more detailed poll recently and posted a summary here: https://dnaandfamilytreeresearch.blogspot.com/2018/11/how-do-you-feel-about-your-dna-being.html I imagine there will be a lot of media coverage when the trial does begin. There is a right to a speedy trial, but both the prosecution and defense can request continuances. I think it will be a while before the trial takes place. Ann Turner On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 4:13 AM Ann Turner <dnacousins@gmail.com> wrote: > That's an interesting contrast to results of a poll on FB > > > https://dnaandfamilytreeresearch.blogspot.com/2018/11/how-do-you-feel-about-your-dna-being.html > > On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 11:37 PM Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> wrote: > >> I did run a survey with the 900 followers of our app’s Facebook page and >> asked them if they want that we explicitly DENY law enforcements to use our >> app by uploading DNA data that was found at a crime scene. 2/3 of the >> answers were “Yes”, 1/3 was a “No”. This seems to support what you wrote >> below, Joan. >> >> While I want that those who did these rape’s & murder’s to be properly >> prosecuted, we will follow the majority vote and not allow the said >> practice that law enforcements have used to identify now more than 14 (or >> more) suspects. >> >> Please do note that despite how most media calls them, they are >> “suspects” and suppose to be innocent until proven otherwise. >> Unfortunately, most media doesn’t use such terms (the term “Golden State >> Killer” sells more clicks than “suspect in the Golden State Killer case" >> and it’s questionable if they ever get a fair trial as their DNA was found >> at the crime scene. To my knowledge, not a single one is currently >> prosecuted which seems to indicated that things aren’t as easy as getting a >> DNA match. >> >> Our app is for the purpose of finding close relatives and ancestors to >> those who seek them for either: >> >> a) their genealogy hobby >> >> b) to identify their birth parent(s) or birth parents of close relatives >> >> >> Andreas >> >> Andreas West >> Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): >> http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 < >> http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5> >> >> Author of https://www.yourDNA.family <https://www.yourdna.family/> >> >> Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - < >> https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/> >> https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/ < >> https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/> >> >> > On Nov25, 2018, at 05:53, Joan Lince <joanklince@earthlink.net> wrote: >> > >> > I think the reason many people resist copying over to GEDmatch is that >> it doesn't have the privacy protection that most of the vendors have. >> > >> > Joan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >

That's an interesting contrast to results of a poll on FB https://dnaandfamilytreeresearch.blogspot.com/2018/11/how-do-you-feel-about-your-dna-being.html On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 11:37 PM Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> wrote: > I did run a survey with the 900 followers of our app’s Facebook page and > asked them if they want that we explicitly DENY law enforcements to use our > app by uploading DNA data that was found at a crime scene. 2/3 of the > answers were “Yes”, 1/3 was a “No”. This seems to support what you wrote > below, Joan. > > While I want that those who did these rape’s & murder’s to be properly > prosecuted, we will follow the majority vote and not allow the said > practice that law enforcements have used to identify now more than 14 (or > more) suspects. > > Please do note that despite how most media calls them, they are “suspects” > and suppose to be innocent until proven otherwise. Unfortunately, most > media doesn’t use such terms (the term “Golden State Killer” sells more > clicks than “suspect in the Golden State Killer case" and it’s questionable > if they ever get a fair trial as their DNA was found at the crime scene. To > my knowledge, not a single one is currently prosecuted which seems to > indicated that things aren’t as easy as getting a DNA match. > > Our app is for the purpose of finding close relatives and ancestors to > those who seek them for either: > > a) their genealogy hobby > > b) to identify their birth parent(s) or birth parents of close relatives > > > Andreas > > Andreas West > Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): > http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 < > http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5> > > Author of https://www.yourDNA.family <https://www.yourdna.family/> > > Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - < > https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/> > https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/ < > https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/> > > > On Nov25, 2018, at 05:53, Joan Lince <joanklince@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > I think the reason many people resist copying over to GEDmatch is that > it doesn't have the privacy protection that most of the vendors have. > > > > Joan > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

A few years ago I was designated as belonging to the L371 ychromosome haplogroup. Known commonly as Ancient Welsh. My surname is of Welsh origin, most of my matches have Welsh surnames or geographical connections with that country. Although I have no known personal family history of a connection with Wales. Now I have recently tested with LivingDNA. And they now designate me as being L-1065, associated with Scottish origins, I do have known family connections with Scotland. So what the heck am I really? *David*

I did run a survey with the 900 followers of our app’s Facebook page and asked them if they want that we explicitly DENY law enforcements to use our app by uploading DNA data that was found at a crime scene. 2/3 of the answers were “Yes”, 1/3 was a “No”. This seems to support what you wrote below, Joan. While I want that those who did these rape’s & murder’s to be properly prosecuted, we will follow the majority vote and not allow the said practice that law enforcements have used to identify now more than 14 (or more) suspects. Please do note that despite how most media calls them, they are “suspects” and suppose to be innocent until proven otherwise. Unfortunately, most media doesn’t use such terms (the term “Golden State Killer” sells more clicks than “suspect in the Golden State Killer case" and it’s questionable if they ever get a fair trial as their DNA was found at the crime scene. To my knowledge, not a single one is currently prosecuted which seems to indicated that things aren’t as easy as getting a DNA match. Our app is for the purpose of finding close relatives and ancestors to those who seek them for either: a) their genealogy hobby b) to identify their birth parent(s) or birth parents of close relatives Andreas Andreas West Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 <http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5> Author of https://www.yourDNA.family <https://www.yourdna.family/> Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - <https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/>https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/ <https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/> > On Nov25, 2018, at 05:53, Joan Lince <joanklince@earthlink.net> wrote: > > I think the reason many people resist copying over to GEDmatch is that it doesn't have the privacy protection that most of the vendors have. > > Joan

I think that you now have to wait for him to get and sign the written consent that ships with the kit. It is a "new" thing related to privacy laws. <sigh> ******************* Thank you, Rebecca.  I suspected the problem might be related to GDPR.  FTDNA should replace the electronic consent message with a message explaining that new members cannot join projects until they return their written consent with the test kit. Lindsey

I think the reason many people resist copying over to GEDmatch is that it doesn't have the privacy protection that most of the vendors have. Joan -----Original Message----- From: Eric S Johnson [mailto:crates@oneotaslopes.org] Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 3:42 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA > > I no longer ask people who show up as my DNA relatives to join Gedmatch. > > Almost nobody joins. I do not know the reason. Must be somebody is > > circulating bad information about Gedmatch. > Those people that you ask don’t understand what they should do with > GEDmatch and how this is going to help them in what they want to achieve. Andreas' point's good. For most folks, it's simple: why bother? "Sounds like quite a bit of work for no obvious benefit." 5% get it. For another 5% of DNA cousins, obviating the "quite a bit of work" objection is easy: "I'll do it for you." For the other 90%, it's still: "Why?" ... which is especially hard to answer if you're on AncestryDNA (whose users need it most, right?), because, having no experience of chromosome browsers, and HIRs, and triangulation, we're just speaking Greek to them. (Apologies to the Greeks on our list.) I haven't found a one-size-fits-all answer. It depends on their age, their interests, their degree of curiosity (or paranoia), their technological competency, etc. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

> > I no longer ask people who show up as my DNA relatives to join Gedmatch. > > Almost nobody joins. I do not know the reason. Must be somebody is > > circulating bad information about Gedmatch. > Those people that you ask don’t understand what they should do with > GEDmatch and how this is going to help them in what they want to achieve. Andreas' point's good. For most folks, it's simple: why bother? "Sounds like quite a bit of work for no obvious benefit." 5% get it. For another 5% of DNA cousins, obviating the "quite a bit of work" objection is easy: "I'll do it for you." For the other 90%, it's still: "Why?" ... which is especially hard to answer if you're on AncestryDNA (whose users need it most, right?), because, having no experience of chromosome browsers, and HIRs, and triangulation, we're just speaking Greek to them. (Apologies to the Greeks on our list.) I haven't found a one-size-fits-all answer. It depends on their age, their interests, their degree of curiosity (or paranoia), their technological competency, etc.

I think that you now have to wait for him to get and sign the written consent that ships with the kit. It is a "new" thing related to privacy laws. <sigh> On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 1:22 PM Lindsey Britton via GENEALOGY-DNA < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Yesterday I made the mistake of ordering FF for my cousin from FTDNA's > main page rather than from the Administrator's page of my project. Now I > can't move the kit into my project. I have my cousin's permission to enter > her results into the database and accordingly signed the electronic consent > form and received notice that I had signed it; however, each time I try to > join the Britton project, I am told I haven't signed the consent form. > What is wrong with this system and what should I do? Lindsey > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- --- Regards, Rebekah A. Canada Volunteer Administrator, Family Tree DNA <https://affiliate.familytreedna.com/idevaffiliate.php?id=598> Author, Haplogroup <https://haplogroup.org> -- PRIVILEGED & CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION -- This communication is privileged and contains confidential information. If it has been sent to you in error, please disregard, reply to the sender that you received it in error, and delete it. Any distribution or other reproduction is strictly prohibited.

Yesterday I made the mistake of ordering FF for my cousin from FTDNA's main page rather than from the Administrator's page of my project.  Now I can't move the kit into my project.  I have my cousin's permission to enter her results into the database and accordingly signed the electronic consent form and received notice that I had signed it; however, each time I try to join the Britton project, I am told I haven't signed the consent form.  What is wrong with this system and what should I do? Lindsey

Only if they are users on WikiTree! They took that option away to link every GEDmatch kit when GDPR was introduced. Not the right move IMO but I’m not the owner of WikiTree. Andreas Andreas West Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 Author of https://www.yourDNA.family Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/ > On 24 Nov 2018, at 04:57, Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > You can link the gedmatch kit of someone in wiki tree without their permission > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > On Friday, November 23, 2018, Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> wrote: > > I agree. > > Both parties have to agree the relationship is correct before it is used to > sort other matches in common into a paternal or maternal bucket. > > Unless the owner of the site gives permission to have their tree altered. > This is up to the individual to not invite a person to their tree [or > restrict what others can do when visiting their site] if you don't believe > they used the same level of research(source proving) as yourselves. If you > don't invite someone to fill in your tree ,you need to do it yourself by > exchanging information and checking it is right, then enter it to your > tree, and link the dna. Good old genealogy done right. > > I can't see that the other companies allow people to link DNA but they can > create trees that have the same people in and link the tree to their dna. > Can anyone confirm if this is the case with ancestry and my heritage? > Thank you for all the comments > > Karen > > On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 3:37 AM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> It isn't that you are linking their *tree* to your *tree*What you are >> doing is linking their DNA test to your tree.Doing that doesn't automatilly >> import their tree into your tree or anything like that >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> >> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 6:14 pm >> Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA >> >> Personally, I think you should have to have the permission of the tree >> owner to link anything. I don't like people adding things to my tree >> as most people are extremely bad genealogists - actually not >> genealogists - just tree copiers. I've spent 20 years gathering >> primary documents. Why should people be able to link to my tree or >> alter information in it without discussion? I'm not saying my tree >> might not have errors. Everyone makes mistakes. Anyone who copies >> anything from any online tree or any book should be aware that they >> could have errors, but most people don't seem to be. But I don't want >> people wildly adding errors without so much as a by-your-leave or >> discussion. >> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 4:24 PM Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA >> <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>> >>> At FTDNA you can link your relatives DNA to your tree without the need >> for them to do anything.You are the one doing all the linking >>> Wikitree also has this >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Karen Hodges <rowantreek@gmail.com> >>> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2018 1:21 pm >>> Subject: [DNA] Linking DNA >>> >>> With family tree DNA you can link your DNA in your tree with relatives >> who >>> link their DNA in their tree to you. Do any of the other major testing >>> companies have this feature? >>> >>> Karen >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Sam, Those people that you ask don’t understand what they should do with GEDmatch and how this is going to help them in what they want to achieve. Andreas Andreas West Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 Author of https://www.yourDNA.family Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/ > On 24 Nov 2018, at 02:46, Sam Sloan <samhsloan@gmail.com> wrote: > > I no longer ask people who show up as my DNA relatives to join Gedmatch. > Almost nobody joins. I do not know the reason. Must be somebody is > circulating bad information about Gedmatch. > Sam Sloan > >> On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 9:37 AM Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> wrote: >> >> It’s not Lindsey. I have given up trying to contact people on GEDmatch. >> >> Andreas >> >> Andreas West >> Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): >> http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 >> >> Author of https://www.yourDNA.family >> >> Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - >> https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/ >> >>> On 24 Nov 2018, at 00:16, Lindsey Britton via GENEALOGY-DNA < >> genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>> >>> I like GEDMATCH, but it isn't a substitute for useful matches. In my >> experience most matches just aren't useful. They may masquerade as 2nd to >> 4th cousins, but they are actually more distant and either don't answer >> e-mails or don't know anything. I can't believe that my experience in this >> regard is unusual. Lindsey >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Not to forget their mobile and tablet app. They have improved them so much that I believe they are head and shoulders above any other Ancestry app on the market. Again, all for free (for us, members of the church pay for all of this). All what you have summed up below Marleen makes FamilySearch our preferred website that our app will work with when it comes to retrieve and update family tree information (as we combine DNA and family tree information to confirm ancestors). Their API is great to work with as a developer and they constantly improve their API, website and apps! Disclaimer: I’m not affiliated with the LDS other than being an user/contributor of their FamilySearch website. Andreas West Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 Author of https://www.yourDNA.family Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/ > On 24 Nov 2018, at 02:10, Marleen Van Horne <msvnhrn@jps.net> wrote: > > I agree with everything that has been said about the choices for posting your research on-line, except for one. > > I have been researching my ancestors for 24 years, and except for my own website, never posted any of my research on-line with any company or organization. > > I have known about and used the resources and trees on familysearch.org, but until recently I have not posted any information there. > > About 7 years ago, Family Search completely redid their family tree application. Now, there is only ONE tree and everyone posts their information to that tree. Every family has a monitor who can accept or reject the information posted by you and others. Mostly they monitor to see that the posts do not contain offensive or inappropriate information. When there are differences on facts, they research the issue and remove the incorrect information. You can Watch each person you post and correct and challenge incorrect changes. The monitor evaluates the situation and corrects the issue. Adding sources and family information is very easy. > > I have been posting my research one person at a time, which some may not want to do, but I prefer it. The Familt Search Family Tree staff have built a skeleton tree using information from census records and other original source documentation, usually with two sources. When you find a skeleton entry for your ancestor, you just add your sources and information to the record. Duplicate entries can be merged. When you add a person you automatically go through a process to see if they are already there, before you create a new person. > > I could probably go on forever with praise for this application, but I won't bore you, try it you might like it. > > You will not have to worry about your research being lost. I am sure that when Our World Comes to an end, the Family History Library will build a rocket to send our family history into space. > > AND, FOLKS, IT IS ENTIRELY FREE. You do have to register to use the tree, but that is an administrative requirement. > > Marleen Van Horne

The company would have to charge a subscription fee to view the tree and use that money to pay the genealogists. Anybody could purchase a subscription whether they had their DNA tested or not. It's just a dream. I can't see anybody ever doing it. I'd rather have no connections made without documentary proof. No preponderance of evidence or whatever. Have individuals unconnected when there is no proof. Let people decide for themselves when they make their own trees. Eventually DNA might solve some of the problems if everything is accurate. False trees are going to yield false DNA conclusions. Carol Anne On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 4:37 AM Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> wrote: > > It’s a good idea but who’s willing to pay for those professional genealogists? It’s not in the interest of Ancestry or any other company to add cost with no benefit for them. > > Andreas > > Andreas West > Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 > > Author of https://www.yourDNA.family > > Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/ > > > On 23 Nov 2018, at 13:52, Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Autosomal DNA testing does not lie and is not incorrect, though it is > > very difficult to work with beyond close relatives. The problem is > > attaching DNA to trees full of errors. If you have two DNA matches, > > both with the same erroneous copied info in their trees, they will > > attribute their segment of shared DNA to a person who is actually not > > an ancestor of either of them. > > > > You might say, "So what? They deserve it." But DNA companies are > > talking about doing the same thing, using the trees people have > > attached to their DNA to tell their customers what ancestors the > > shared DNA came from and build trees for them. DNA could be a > > wonderful tool, but it's being used to create an absolute mess and add > > to the chaos created by people who copy trees blindly. I wonder what > > percentage of trees online are filled with errors due to copying. > > > > Ancestry encourages this. I was trying to create a tree for a DNA > > match last week and Ancestry kept offering me hints and a potential > > father. It was crazy because the man would have had to be a bigamist > > to have been begetting children with one wife in MO and another in GA > > at the same time. It's possible today, but in the 1850s it would have > > been impossible for a farmer to keep running back and forth like that. > > Apparently so many people have copied that info into their tree that > > Ancestry tries very hard to get everyone to do the same with their > > hints. My conclusion was that they were two different men. I never > > succeeded in finding the true father of the man in MO, which was what > > I was trying to do. I think I know who his father was, but no proof, > > Certainly no descendants of this man who copy the info Ancestry offers > > them will ever know who his real father was. > > > > It would be great if a DNA company could hire professional > > genealogists to create a world family tree based on documents only and > > attach DNA matches to it only when they submitted sufficient > > documentation that they were a descendant of that person. Then we > > would really have something useful! > > > > Carol

This is perfect timing! After 35 years of research, I’m finally writing my family history, and have been wondering how to publish it. I will join the rootsweb list. Thanks. Linda Linda Stokesbury Brennan Natchitoches, LA, USA Stokesbury DNA Project Administrator http://www.familytreedna.com/public/stokesburyDNAproject Researching: STOKESBURY (STUTCHBURY), LAMARE, BABIN, DUNNING, MORRIS, YOUNG, PAINTER/BAINTER, BAUGHMAN, CLARK, OLINGER, ORR, HENINGER. > On Nov 23, 2018, at 5:05 PM, Marleen Van Horne <msvnhrn@jps.net> wrote: > > P.S. > > A while back, I set up a mail list called publish-famhist. It is intended to help genealogists decide which company or organization to use to publish their family histories, and once a choice was made to provide help to the users of the various applications. > > Someone from the DNA list already asked me how to remove an incorrect entry and replace it with the correct person on Family Search Family Tree. > > I am sure other people have similar questions about the apps they use. > > Use this URL to subscribe: > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/publish-famhist.rootsweb.com/ > > You may have to register for an account, if you have not already done so. Do not try to use old passwords. > > Marleen Van Horne > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

P.S. A while back, I set up a mail list called publish-famhist.  It is intended to help genealogists decide which company or organization to use to publish their family histories, and once a choice was made to provide help to the users of the various applications. Someone from the DNA list already asked me how to remove an incorrect entry and replace it with the correct person on Family Search Family Tree.  I am sure other people have similar questions about the apps they use. Use this URL to subscribe: https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/publish-famhist.rootsweb.com/ You may have to register for an account, if you have not already done so.  Do not try to use old passwords. Marleen Van Horne