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    1. [DNA] Re: Use of familial search by law enforcement
    2. Ann Turner

    3. The Chen case you mentioned was based on Y STRs, not CODIS (autosomal STRs). There was the additional complicating factor of the sample having a mixture of contributors. The analysis of DNA mixtures is controversial in general. Another problematic sample type is low copy number DNA ("touch" DNA). Prosecution of cases like this would be challenged by defense attorneys, and convictions should be based on the weight of other types of evidence. Ann Turner On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 6:14 AM Dave Hamm via GENEALOGY-DNA < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > WJohnson, > > Easy for you to say, without citing any sources. > > One of the examples I gave was regarding the CODIS markers, which is the > DNA used for conviction in court. > > That happens regardless of the type of DNA samples have been examined. > > The CODIS markers convicted Chen, and the jury ignored the remaining > evidence. > > "Five years later, Chen was exonerated when a second DNA test that found > he was not a match after all. In the years he lived as a convicted > rapist, he had lost his wife, his business and most of his life." > > Gizmodo: > > "When Bad DNA Tests Lead to False Convictions" > > https://gizmodo.com/when-bad-dna-tests-lead-to-false-convictions-1797915655 > > His original 17 genetic markers were overturned when testing more > markers showed that he was not a match. > > This was not sloppy police work, this was the presumption that DNA > analysis is accurate to within millions of suspects. This was at a time > when 13 CODIS markers were believed to be accurate to one in millions. > > In Chen's case, CODIS was not accurate to within one bar that night. A > cynic could presume that means nearly doubling the number of markers to > 20 CODIS markers would not be not accurate to the people within two > night clubs. > > see: > > "Average Probability that a “Cold Hit” in a DNA Database Search Results > in an Erroneous Attribution (2009)" > > "Random match probability (RMP), defined to be the probability that a > person picked at random has the same DNA profile as the evidentiary > sample, is very low if several unlinked loci are typed. For a 13-locus > CODIS profile, typical RMPs are on the order of 10^−14 to 10^−15.... > Such a low RMP implies that a particular DNA profile has a high > probability of being unique. To compute the RMP, the recommendation of > the second National Research Council Report (NRC II) is usually followed." > > That article mentions that for a population of 300 million, "we obtain > the probability of an erroneous attribution of approximately 2.93 × 10−7 > or approximately 1 in 3.4 million." I have seen similar claims from > genetic genealogists regarding 20 CODIS markers. > > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5124364/ > > Now, New York has recently reviewed some 800 case files, where the CODIS > DNA markers were not properly handled. There were some cases of "sorry > we convicted you and you spent time in jail, but we messed up your DNA > sample." > > see: "New York Examines Over 800 Rape Cases for Possible Mishandling of > Evidence" > > "The New York City medical examiner’s office is undertaking an unusual > review of more than 800 rape cases in which critical DNA evidence may > have been mishandled or overlooked by a lab technician, resulting in > incorrect reports being given to criminal investigators. > > Supervisors have so far found 26 cases in which the technician failed to > detect biological evidence when some actually existed, according to the > medical examiner’s office. In seven of those cases, full DNA profiles > were developed — in some instances, evidence that sex-crime > investigators did not see for years, hampering their ability to develop > cases against rape suspects. > > In one of those instances, the newly discovered DNA profile matched a > convicted offender’s sample, leading to an indictment a decade after the > evidence was collected, according to Dr. Mechthild Prinz, the director > of forensic biology at the medical examiner’s office. > > In two other instances, the new DNA profiles were linked to people > either already convicted or under suspicion. > > The scope of the problem has yet to be determined; at several points > over nearly two years, supervisors in the medical examiner’s office > thought they had gotten to the bottom of the technician’s errors, only > to find that the trail went further." > > > https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/11/nyregion/new-york-reviewing-over-800-rape-cases-for-possible-mishandling-of-dna-evidence.html?module=inline > > I have not reviewed these cases in order to determine how many used what > type of DNA to investigate the crimes. > > - Dave Hamm > > RE: > > On 11/26/2018 3:31 PM, genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:40:41 +0000 (UTC) > > From: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> > > Subject: [DNA] Re: Use of familial search by law enforcement > > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Cc: odoniv@yahoo.com > > Message-ID: <535140636.2840620.1543257642102@mail.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > The Y test you cited is not good evidence of anythingTHOUSANDS of men > have the exact same Y results on 12 and even on 37Using a Y test for a > crime scene is just utter stupidity on the part of the police > > The other example isn't actually an example of anything DNA relatedThe > test in question was the father's, the subpoena was merely because he was a > *close* matchAnd the *actual* test showed that he was not a match > > So once again, my claim, that no Autosomal DNA test has *ever* found a > positive match, that was later overturned > > By the way, that you might be *present* at an event where a crime > *later* took place is just sloppy police workNot evidence of an overturned > DNA test > > Wjhonson, > > RE: > > > "It is completely untrue that “improvements” in dna have exonerated > anyone... > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

    11/27/2018 07:47:30
    1. [DNA] New mtDNA sequences from Viet Nam on the GenBank database (2 of 25)
    2. Ian Logan

    3. List And the 2nd page. Ian www.ianlogan.co.uk --------------------------------------- MH448972(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup B5a1c1a 24-NOV-2018 A73G A210G T252C A263G 315.1C C522- A523- T593C G709A A750G A1438G A2706G A3537G A4769G G5237A C6960T C7028T C8281- C8282- C8283- C8284- C8285- T8286- C8287- T8288- A8289- G8584A A8860G T9950C G10325A A10398G A10523G G11719A C14766T A15235G A15326G T16140C A16182- A16183- T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C C16266A T16519C MH448973(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup D4e1a3 24-NOV-2018 A73G G94A T146C A263G 309.1C 315.1C T489C A750G A1438G A2706G G3010A G3316A A4769G C4883T C5178A T5964C C7028T T8119C C8414T A8701G A8860G C9536T T9540C A10398G C10400T T10873C C11215T G11719A C12705T T14470C C14668T C14766T T14783C G15043A G15301A A15326G A15924G T16092C C16223T T16362C MH448974(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup N9a10-T16311C 24-NOV-2018 A73G C150T A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G A2706G A4769G G5231A G5417A G5780A C7028T T8433C A8860G G9738A G11719A A12358G G12372A C12705T G12771A C14766T A15326G 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T16304C C16527T MH448983(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup B4g2 24-NOV-2018 C61A G62A A73G T195C A263G 309.1C 309.2C 309.3C 315.1C C522- A523- A750G A1438G C2378T A2706G A4769G C6482T C7028T C8215T C8281- C8282- C8283- C8284- C8285- T8286- C8287- T8288- A8289- A8860G C9968T G11719A C14766T A15326G A16180- A16181- A16182- A16183- T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C 16193.3C G16213A T16217C C16261T C16292T A16309G T16519C MH448984(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup G 24-NOV-2018 A73G A153G A183G A263G 309.1C 315.1C T489C G709A A750G A1438G C1959T A2706G C2772T C3342T A4769G A4833G T5108C A5222G C7028T 8289.1C 8289.2C 8289.3C 8289.4C 8289.5C 8289.6T 8289.7C 8289.8T 8289.9A A8701G A8860G T9540C A10286G A10398G C10400T T10873C T11410C G11719A A12397G C12705T T14530C G14569A C14766T T14783C G14905A G15043A G15301A A15326G T16086C T16092C C16223T T16362C T16519C MH448985(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup B4c2c 24-NOV-2018 A73G A263G C522- A523- A750G T1119C A1438G A2706G A4769G T5108C C7028T C8281- C8282- C8283- C8284- C8285- 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309.2C 315.1C C522- A523- A750G A1438G T1541C A2706G C3204T G3316A C3970T A4769G T6815C C7028T A8860G G11719A T12714C G13928C C14664T C14766T A15326G C16192T T16304C A16309G G16390A T16519C MH448989(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup R9c1b1 24-NOV-2018 A73G C151T A263G 309.1C 315.1C A479G A750G A1438G A2706G C3970T A4769G C7028T T7684C T7861C A8860G G10646C A11002G G11719A A12612G G12618A G13928C C14766T A15326G C15381T T15479C T16093C T16157C T16304C MH448990(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup G1a1 24-NOV-2018 A73G A200G A263G 309.1C 315.1C T489C C522- A523- G709A A750G A1438G T1694C A2706G C4694A A4769G A4833G T5108C C6668T C7028T C7867T T8200C A8701G A8860G T9540C A10398G C10400T A10658G T10873C G11719A C12705T G14569A C14766T T14783C G15043A G15301A G15323A A15326G G15497A A15860G C16223T T16325C C16355T T16362C T16519C MH448991(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup B4a5 24-NOV-2018 A73G A263G 315.1C C522- A523- A750G A1438G A2706G A4769G G5147A T5465C T5814C C7028T C8281- C8282- C8283- C8284- C8285- T8286- C8287- 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    11/27/2018 07:20:52
    1. [DNA] Re: Use of familial search by law enforcement
    2. Dave Hamm

    3. WJohnson, Easy for you to say, without citing any sources. One of the examples I gave was regarding the CODIS markers, which is the DNA used for conviction in court. That happens regardless of the type of DNA samples have been examined. The CODIS markers convicted Chen, and the jury ignored the remaining evidence. "Five years later, Chen was exonerated when a second DNA test that found he was not a match after all. In the years he lived as a convicted rapist, he had lost his wife, his business and most of his life." Gizmodo: "When Bad DNA Tests Lead to False Convictions" https://gizmodo.com/when-bad-dna-tests-lead-to-false-convictions-1797915655 His original 17 genetic markers were overturned when testing more markers showed that he was not a match. This was not sloppy police work, this was the presumption that DNA analysis is accurate to within millions of suspects. This was at a time when 13 CODIS markers were believed to be accurate to one in millions. In Chen's case, CODIS was not accurate to within one bar that night. A cynic could presume that means nearly doubling the number of markers to 20 CODIS markers would not be not accurate to the people within two night clubs. see: "Average Probability that a “Cold Hit” in a DNA Database Search Results in an Erroneous Attribution (2009)" "Random match probability (RMP), defined to be the probability that a person picked at random has the same DNA profile as the evidentiary sample, is very low if several unlinked loci are typed. For a 13-locus CODIS profile, typical RMPs are on the order of 10^−14 to 10^−15.... Such a low RMP implies that a particular DNA profile has a high probability of being unique. To compute the RMP, the recommendation of the second National Research Council Report (NRC II) is usually followed." That article mentions that for a population of 300 million, "we obtain the probability of an erroneous attribution of approximately 2.93 × 10−7 or approximately 1 in 3.4 million." I have seen similar claims from genetic genealogists regarding 20 CODIS markers. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5124364/ Now, New York has recently reviewed some 800 case files, where the CODIS DNA markers were not properly handled. There were some cases of "sorry we convicted you and you spent time in jail, but we messed up your DNA sample." see:  "New York Examines Over 800 Rape Cases for Possible Mishandling of Evidence" "The New York City medical examiner’s office is undertaking an unusual review of more than 800 rape cases in which critical DNA evidence may have been mishandled or overlooked by a lab technician, resulting in incorrect reports being given to criminal investigators. Supervisors have so far found 26 cases in which the technician failed to detect biological evidence when some actually existed, according to the medical examiner’s office. In seven of those cases, full DNA profiles were developed — in some instances, evidence that sex-crime investigators did not see for years, hampering their ability to develop cases against rape suspects. In one of those instances, the newly discovered DNA profile matched a convicted offender’s sample, leading to an indictment a decade after the evidence was collected, according to Dr. Mechthild Prinz, the director of forensic biology at the medical examiner’s office. In two other instances, the new DNA profiles were linked to people either already convicted or under suspicion. The scope of the problem has yet to be determined; at several points over nearly two years, supervisors in the medical examiner’s office thought they had gotten to the bottom of the technician’s errors, only to find that the trail went further." https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/11/nyregion/new-york-reviewing-over-800-rape-cases-for-possible-mishandling-of-dna-evidence.html?module=inline I have not reviewed these cases in order to determine how many used what type of DNA to investigate the crimes.  - Dave Hamm RE: On 11/26/2018 3:31 PM, genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:40:41 +0000 (UTC) > From: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> > Subject: [DNA] Re: Use of familial search by law enforcement > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Cc: odoniv@yahoo.com > Message-ID: <535140636.2840620.1543257642102@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > The Y test you cited is not good evidence of anythingTHOUSANDS of men have the exact same Y results on 12 and even on 37Using a Y test for a crime scene is just utter stupidity on the part of the police > The other example isn't actually an example of anything DNA relatedThe test in question was the father's, the subpoena was merely because he was a *close* matchAnd the *actual* test showed that he was not a match > So once again, my claim, that no Autosomal DNA test has *ever* found a positive match, that was later overturned > By the way, that you might be *present* at an event where a crime *later* took place is just sloppy police workNot evidence of an overturned DNA test Wjhonson, RE: > "It is completely untrue that “improvements” in dna have exonerated anyone...

    11/27/2018 07:14:07
    1. [DNA] New mtDNA sequences from Viet Nam on the GenBank database (1 of 25)
    2. Ian Logan

    3. List A set of over 600 mtDNA sequences from Viet Nam has appeared on the GenBank database. They accompany the paper: Sci Rep. 2018 Aug 3;8(1):11651. 'Complete human mtDNA genome sequences from Vietnam and the phylogeography of Mainland Southeast Asia' Duong NT, Macholdt E, et al. Free download from: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6076260/ Abstract given below. The sequences belong to many East Asian Haplogroups. As usual I have added the sequences to my 'Checker' program to ensure accuracy of transcription. Ian www.ianlogan.co.uk ---------------------------- Abstract Vietnam is an important crossroads within Mainland Southeast Asia (MSEA) and a gateway to Island Southeast Asia, and as such exhibits high levels of ethnolinguistic diversity. However, comparatively few studies have been undertaken of the genetic diversity of Vietnamese populations. In order to gain comprehensive insights into MSEA mtDNA phylogeography, we sequenced 609 complete mtDNA genomes from individuals belonging to five language families (Austroasiatic, Tai-Kadai, Hmong-Mien, Sino-Tibetan and Austronesian) and analyzed them in comparison with sequences from other MSEA countries and Taiwan. Within Vietnam, we identified 399 haplotypes belonging to 135 haplogroups; among the five language families, the sequences from Austronesian groups differ the most from the other groups. Phylogenetic analysis revealed 111 novel Vietnamese mtDNA lineages. Bayesian estimates of coalescence times and associated 95% HPD for these show a peak of mtDNA diversification around 2.5-3 kya, which coincides with the Dong Son culture, and thus may be associated with the agriculturally-driven expansion of this culture. Networks of major MSEA haplogroups emphasize the overall distinctiveness of sequences from Taiwan, in keeping with previous studies that suggested at most a minor impact of the Austronesian expansion from Taiwan on MSEA. We also see evidence for population expansions across MSEA geographic regions and language families. -------------------------- MH448947(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup M10 24-NOV-2018 A73G A263G 315.1C T489C G709A A750G T953C A1438G A2706G 3172.1C C4140T A4769G T4823C A6040G C7028T A8701G T8793C A8860G T9540C A9644G C9729T A10398G C10400T T10873C G11719A C12549T C12705T C12976T A13152G A13203G T14502C C14766T T14783C C15040T G15043A T15071C G15301A A15326G T15514C C16223T C16256T T16311C MH448948(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup A-T16362C 24-NOV-2018 A73G T152C A235G A263G 315.1C C522- A523- A663G A750G A1438G A1736G A2706G T4248C A4769G A4824G C7028T T7705C C8794T A8860G A9033G A9545G G11719A C12705T G13707A C14766T A15326G C16223T C16290T T16311C G16319A T16362C MH448949(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup F1a1a 24-NOV-2018 A73G C150T A189G T195C A249- A263G 315.1C C522- A523- A750G G930A A1438G A2706G C3970T C4086T A4769G T6392C G6962A C7028T A8149G A8860G G9053A G9548A G10310A T10609C G11719A G12406A C12882T G13759A T13768C G13928C C14766T A15326G G15596A C16108T C16111T G16129A A16162G T16172C T16304C T16519C MH448950(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup M10 24-NOV-2018 A73G A263G 315.1C T489C G709A A750G T953C A1438G A2706G 3172.1C C4140T A4769G T4823C A6040G C7028T A8701G T8793C A8860G T9540C A9644G C9729T A10398G C10400T T10873C G11719A C12549T C12705T C12976T A13152G A13203G A13722G T14502C C14766T T14783C C15040T G15043A T15071C G15301A A15326G T15514C C16223T C16256T T16311C MH448951(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup B4g2 24-NOV-2018 C61A G62A A73G A183G A263G C522- A523- A750G A1438G C2378T A2706G A4769G C6482T C7028T C8281- C8282- C8283- C8284- C8285- T8286- C8287- T8288- A8289- A8860G C9968T G11719A C14766T A15326G A16180- A16181- A16182- A16183- T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C 16193.3C G16213A T16217C C16242T C16261T C16292T C16301T T16519C MH448952(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup M10 24-NOV-2018 A73G A263G 315.1C T489C G709A A750G T953C A1438G A2706G 3172.1C C4140T A4769G T4823C A6040G C7028T A8701G T8793C A8860G T9540C A9644G C9729T A10398G C10400T T10873C G11719A C12549T C12705T C12976T A13152G A13203G T14502C C14766T T14783C C15040T G15043A T15071C G15301A A15326G T15514C C16223T C16256T T16311C MH448953(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup M74a 24-NOV-2018 T63C C64T G66A A73G A215G A263G 315.1C T489C C522- A523- A750G A1438G A2706G A4769G G5054A T6185C A6575G C7028T G8251A A8701G A8860G T9540C C10268T A10398G C10400T T10873C G11719A C12705T A12850G T14311C C14766T T14783C G15043A G15301A A15326G T16093C C16223T T16311C T16362C T16381C MH448954(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup C7a 24-NOV-2018 A73G A249- A263G 315.1C T489C G709A A750G A1438G A2706G T3552A A4715G A4769G G5821A A6338G C7028T C7196A C7801T G7853A G8584A A8701G A8860G T9540C A9545G A10398G C10400T T10873C G11719A G11914A C12705T A13263G T14318C C14766T T14783C G15043A G15301A A15326G A15487T C16223T T16298C C16327T T16519C MH448955(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup C7a 24-NOV-2018 A73G A249- A263G 315.1C T489C G709A A750G A1438G A2706G T3552A A4715G A4769G G5821A A6338G C7028T C7196A C7801T G7853A G8584A A8701G A8860G T9540C A9545G A10398G C10400T T10873C G11719A G11914A C12705T A13263G T14318C C14766T T14783C G15043A G15301A A15326G A15487T C16223T T16298C C16327T T16519C MH448956(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup F1a1a 24-NOV-2018 A73G C150T A189G T195C A249- A263G 315.1C C522- A523- A750G G930A A1438G A2706G C3970T C4086T A4769G T6392C G6962A C7028T A8149G A8860G G9053A G9548A G10310A T10609C G11719A G12406A C12882T G13759A T13768C G13928C C14766T A15326G G15596A C16108T C16111T G16129A A16162G T16172C T16304C T16519C MH448957(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup M10 24-NOV-2018 A73G A263G T489C G709A A750G T953C A1438G A2706G 3172.1C C4140T A4769G T4823C A6040G C7028T A8701G T8793C A8860G T9540C A9644G C9729T A10398G C10400T T10873C G11719A C12549T C12705T C12976T A13152G A13203G T14502C C14766T T14783C C15040T G15043A T15071C G15301A A15326G T15514C C16223T C16256T T16311C MH448958(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup M10 24-NOV-2018 A73G A263G 315.1C T489C G709A A750G T953C A1438G A2706G 3172.1C C4140T A4769G T4823C A6040G C7028T A8701G T8793C A8860G T9540C A9644G C9729T A10398G C10400T T10873C G11719A C12549T C12705T C12976T A13152G A13203G T14502C C14766T T14783C C15040T G15043A T15071C G15301A A15326G T15514C C16223T C16256T T16311C MH448959(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup M10 24-NOV-2018 A73G A263G 315.1C T489C G709A A750G T953C A1438G A2706G 3172.1C C4140T A4769G T4823C A6040G C7028T A8701G T8793C A8860G T9540C A9644G C9729T A10398G C10400T T10873C G11719A C12549T C12705T C12976T A13152G A13203G T14502C C14766T T14783C C15040T G15043A T15071C G15301A A15326G T15514C C16223T C16256T T16311C MH448960(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup M7c2a 24-NOV-2018 A73G T146C A263G 309.1C 315.1C T489C C522- A523- A750G A1438G T1700C A2706G A3912G C4071T A4769G C4850T A5378G C6455T C7028T A8701G A8860G C9449T T9540C T9824C A10398G C10400T T10873C C10897T C11665T G11719A C11932T T12091C C12705T A14053G C14766T T14783C G15043A G15301A A15326G C15338T T16172C C16223T G16274A C16291T T16311C T16519C MH448961(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup B4a5 24-NOV-2018 A73G A263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C C522- A523- A750G A1438G A2706G A4769G T5465C T5814C C7028T C8281- C8282- C8283- C8284- C8285- T8286- C8287- T8288- A8289- A8860G G9123A G11719A A14518G C14766T A15236G A15244G A15326G A16182- A16183- T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C T16217C C16261T T16357C T16519C MH448962(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup M74a 24-NOV-2018 T63C C64T G66A A73G A215G A263G 315.1C T489C C522- A523- A750G A1438G A2706G A4769G G5054A T6185C A6575G C7028T G8251A A8701G A8860G T9540C C10268T A10398G C10400T T10873C G11719A C12705T A12850G T14311C C14766T T14783C G15043A G15301A A15326G T16093C C16223T T16311C T16362C T16381C MH448963(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup M7c2a 24-NOV-2018 A73G T146C A263G 309.1C 315.1C T489C C522- A523- A750G A1438G T1700C A2706G A3912G C4071T A4769G C4850T A5378G C6455T C7028T A8701G A8860G C9449T T9540C T9824C A10398G C10400T T10873C C10897T C11665T G11719A C11932T T12091C C12705T A14053G C14766T T14783C G15043A G15301A A15326G C15338T T16172C C16223T G16274A C16291T T16311C T16519C MH448964(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup B4a1c2 24-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C A263G A350C C522- A523- G709A A750G A1438G A2706G A4769G T5465C C7028T A7052G A7271G C8281- C8282- C8283- C8284- C8285- T8286- C8287- T8288- A8289- A8860G G9123A T10238C G11719A C13188T C14766T A15326G C15661T A15799G C16167T A16183- T16189C 16193.1C T16217C C16218T C16261T T16519C MH448965(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup B5a1c1a 24-NOV-2018 A73G A210G A263G 315.1C C522- A523- T593C G709A A750G A1438G A2706G A3537G A4769G G5237A C6960T C7028T C8281- C8282- C8283- C8284- C8285- T8286- C8287- T8288- A8289- G8584A A8860G T9950C G10325A A10398G A10523G G11719A C14766T A15235G A15326G T16140C A16182- A16183- T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C C16266A T16519C MH448966(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup B5a1c1a 24-NOV-2018 A73G C114T A210G A263G 309.1C 315.1C C522- A523- T593C G709A A750G A1438G A2706G A3537G A4769G G5237A C6960T C7028T C8281- C8282- C8283- C8284- C8285- T8286- C8287- T8288- A8289- G8584A A8860G T9758C T9950C G10325A A10398G A10523G G11719A C14766T A15235G A15326G T16140C A16183- T16189C 16193.1C C16266A T16519C MH448967(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup M7b1a1h 24-NOV-2018 A73G C150T T199C A263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C T489C A750G A1438G A2706G G4048A C4071T A4164G A4769G A5351G G5460A C6455T T6680C C7028T T7684C G7853A A8701G A8860G T9540C T9824C A10397G A10398G C10400T T10873C G11719A C12405T C12705T T12811C C14766T T14783C G15043A G15261A G15301A A15326G A16038G G16129A A16220C C16223T T16297C T16298C T16311C MH448968(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup F1a1 24-NOV-2018 A73G T152C A249- A263G 315.1C T477C C522- A523- A750G A1438G A2706G C3970T C4086T A4769G T4772C C6263T T6392C G6962A C7028T A8860G G9053A G9548A G10310A T10609C A10972G G11518A G11719A G12406A C12882T G13759A G13928C C14766T A15326G G16129A A16162G T16172C T16304C T16311C T16519C MH448969(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup M7b1a1h 24-NOV-2018 A73G C150T T199C A263G T489C A750G A1438G A2706G G4048A C4071T A4164G A4769G A5351G G5460A G5763N C6455T T6680C C7028T T7684C G7853A A8701G A8860G T9540C T9824C A10397G A10398G C10400T T10873C G11719A C12405T C12705T T12811C C14766T T14783C G15043A G15301A A15326G A16038G G16129A A16220C C16223T T16297C T16298C T16311C MH448970(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup M7b1a1h 24-NOV-2018 A73G C150T T199C A263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C T489C A750G A1438G A2706G G4048A C4071T A4164G A4769G A5351G G5460A C6455T T6680C C7028T T7684C G7853A A8701G A8860G T9540C T9824C A10397G A10398G C10400T T10873C G11719A C12405T C12705T T12811C C14766T T14783C G15043A G15301A A15326G A16038G G16129A A16220C C16223T T16297C T16298C T16311C MH448971(Vietnam) Nong Haplogroup B4b1a2a 24-NOV-2018 A73G G207A A263G 315.1C G499A A750G A827G A1438G G1719A A2220G A2706G G2831A A4769G G4820A T6216C T6413C C7028T T7993C C8281- C8282- C8283- C8284- C8285- T8286- C8287- T8288- A8289- A8860G G11719A G13590A C14766T G15301A A15326G C15535T T16136C A16183- T16189C 16193.1C T16217C A16309G C16354T T16519C

    11/27/2018 03:55:55
    1. [DNA] Re: Use of familial search by law enforcement
    2. Dave Hamm

    3. RE:  > "So once again, my claim, that no Autosomal DNA test has *ever* found a positive match, that was later overturned" No, you said DNA, as I had quoted previously. You did not originally say "autosomal" DNA. No matter, though, courts seek conviction on CODIS markers, not exclusively on Y-DNA, mtDNA, or autosomal DNA. One of my examples was regarding poor DNA work with CODIS markers. RE:  > "The Y test you cited is not good evidence of anything THOUSANDS of men have the exact same Y results on 12 and even on 37 Using a Y test for a crime scene is just utter stupidity on the part of the police" Well, that seems like a curious statement to me. In the case regarding the filmmaker, we had other genetic genealogists with the same aura of confidence way back when:    ------- 'Colleen M. Fitzpatrick, a well-known forensic genealogist, said a partial match of 34 of 35 alleles is “very close to a 100 percent” indication that the donor of the semen is an Usry. She suggested the authorities take a closer look at the family lineage. “There’s still a small percent chance that it’s not an Usry due to an adoption or illegitimate” child in the family lineage, she noted.'  --------- "Greg Hampikian, a professor at Boise State University who has worked on the Dodge case, also seemed impressed by the partial match. According to the search warrant application, he told police that Usry’s father “would probably be within three or four generations” of the unidentified suspect."     ------- Jan. 13, 2015 Usry received the email he’d been awaiting. His DNA, Hoffman wrote, did not match the semen from the scene of Dodge’s murder. See The New Orleans Advocate, " New Orleans filmmaker cleared in cold-case murder; false positive highlights limitations of familial DNA searching FALSE POSITIVE":   https://www.theadvocate.com/new_orleans/news/article_1b3a3f96-d574-59e0-9c6a-c3c7c0d2f166.html Please educate yourself.  - Dave Hamm RE: On 11/26/2018 1:40 PM, Wjhonson wrote: > The Y test you cited is not good evidence of anything > THOUSANDS of men have the exact same Y results on 12 and even on 37 > Using a Y test for a crime scene is just utter stupidity on the part > of the police > > The other example isn't actually an example of anything DNA related > The test in question was the father's, the subpoena was merely because > he was a *close* match > And the *actual* test showed that he was not a match > > So once again, my claim, that no Autosomal DNA test has *ever* found a > positive match, that was later overturned > > By the way, that you might be *present* at an event where a crime > *later* took place is just sloppy police work > Not evidence of an overturned DNA test > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Hamm via GENEALOGY-DNA <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Cc: Dave Hamm <odoniv@yahoo.com> > Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2018 10:35 am > Subject: [DNA] Re: Use of familial search by law enforcement > > Wjhonson, > > RE: > > > "It is completely untrue that “improvements” in dna have exonerated > anyone > > What is true is that dna has exonerated people where No DNA was ever > taken originally > > There is NO example is all of Dna history that a positive match was > later overturned > > Not one " > > Well, I don't have access to Lexis Nexis, so I can't give you a full > summary. > > However... use in criminal cases is not well regulated, and defending > yourself in such DNA based cases can be expensive. DNA companies could > sell your data to a company that receives a court order for that DNA > information. > > For example (links given below): > > CODIS markers have convicted the wrong people (see Chen Long-Qi, a bad > DNA test derailed his life, below. A different type of case, but at a > time when everybody thought DNA was the definitive answer.). > > "Five years later, Chen was exonerated when a second DNA test that found > he was not a match after all. In the years he lived as a convicted > rapist, he had lost his wife, his business and most of his life." > > Gizmodo: > > "When Bad DNA Tests Lead to False Convictions" > > https://gizmodo.com/when-bad-dna-tests-lead-to-false-convictions-1797915655 > > Another example along the same lines: > > "In 2014, a New Orleans filmmaker was identified in an Idaho murder > based on a DNA sample that his father had given years earlier as part of > a church-sponsored genealogy project. The father's DNA was sold to > Ancestry(dot)com, and he was identified to police after Ancestry > received a court order. The suspect was later cleared after his DNA > didn't match evidence at the crime scene. " > > Not all people are wealthy film makers who can mount an adequate > defense. Even for film makers, this probably took months or even years > of effort, which could have been better spent on normal life activities. > > USA Today: > "Took an ancestry DNA test? You might be a 'genetic informant' > unleashing secrets about your relatives" > > https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/nation-now/2018/04/27/ancestry-genealogy-dna-test-privacy-golden-state-killer/557263002/ > > As I understand it, one case obtained discarded samples from the pizza > store and got a 'match.' With microscopic DNA, and the thought of > 'planting' DNA on another person (by handshake, back of stamps, etc.), I > am sure the list can go on and on. > > Most folks in their seventies have little resources to hire an attorney > to defend themselves. Most likely, a court appointed attorney would have > little incentive to defend anybody in such a case. > > And then there's the problem with insurance companies, etc. > >  - Dave Hamm > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community

    11/26/2018 01:31:34
    1. [DNA] Re: Use of familial search by law enforcement
    2. Wjhonson

    3. The Y test you cited is not good evidence of anythingTHOUSANDS of men have the exact same Y results on 12 and even on 37Using a Y test for a crime scene is just utter stupidity on the part of the police The other example isn't actually an example of anything DNA relatedThe test in question was the father's, the subpoena was merely because he was a *close* matchAnd the *actual* test showed that he was not a match So once again, my claim, that no Autosomal DNA test has *ever* found a positive match, that was later overturned By the way, that you might be *present* at an event where a crime *later* took place is just sloppy police workNot evidence of an overturned DNA test -----Original Message----- From: Dave Hamm via GENEALOGY-DNA <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Cc: Dave Hamm <odoniv@yahoo.com> Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2018 10:35 am Subject: [DNA] Re: Use of familial search by law enforcement Wjhonson, RE: > "It is completely untrue that “improvements” in dna have exonerated anyone What is true is that dna has exonerated people where No DNA was ever taken originally There is NO example is all of Dna history that a positive match was later overturned Not one " Well, I don't have access to Lexis Nexis, so I can't give you a full summary. However... use in criminal cases is not well regulated, and defending yourself in such DNA based cases can be expensive. DNA companies could sell your data to a company that receives a court order for that DNA information. For example (links given below): CODIS markers have convicted the wrong people (see Chen Long-Qi, a bad DNA test derailed his life, below. A different type of case, but at a time when everybody thought DNA was the definitive answer.). "Five years later, Chen was exonerated when a second DNA test that found he was not a match after all. In the years he lived as a convicted rapist, he had lost his wife, his business and most of his life." Gizmodo: "When Bad DNA Tests Lead to False Convictions" https://gizmodo.com/when-bad-dna-tests-lead-to-false-convictions-1797915655 Another example along the same lines: "In 2014, a New Orleans filmmaker was identified in an Idaho murder based on a DNA sample that his father had given years earlier as part of a church-sponsored genealogy project. The father's DNA was sold to Ancestry(dot)com, and he was identified to police after Ancestry received a court order. The suspect was later cleared after his DNA didn't match evidence at the crime scene. " Not all people are wealthy film makers who can mount an adequate defense. Even for film makers, this probably took months or even years of effort, which could have been better spent on normal life activities. USA Today: "Took an ancestry DNA test? You might be a 'genetic informant' unleashing secrets about your relatives" https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/nation-now/2018/04/27/ancestry-genealogy-dna-test-privacy-golden-state-killer/557263002/ As I understand it, one case obtained discarded samples from the pizza store and got a 'match.' With microscopic DNA, and the thought of 'planting' DNA on another person (by handshake, back of stamps, etc.), I am sure the list can go on and on. Most folks in their seventies have little resources to hire an attorney to defend themselves. Most likely, a court appointed attorney would have little incentive to defend anybody in such a case. And then there's the problem with insurance companies, etc.  - Dave Hamm _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    11/26/2018 11:40:41
    1. [DNA] Re: Use of familial search by law enforcement
    2. Dave Hamm

    3. Wjhonson, RE: > "It is completely untrue that “improvements” in dna have exonerated anyone What is true is that dna has exonerated people where No DNA was ever taken originally There is NO example is all of Dna history that a positive match was later overturned Not one " Well, I don't have access to Lexis Nexis, so I can't give you a full summary. However... use in criminal cases is not well regulated, and defending yourself in such DNA based cases can be expensive. DNA companies could sell your data to a company that receives a court order for that DNA information. For example (links given below): CODIS markers have convicted the wrong people (see Chen Long-Qi, a bad DNA test derailed his life, below. A different type of case, but at a time when everybody thought DNA was the definitive answer.). "Five years later, Chen was exonerated when a second DNA test that found he was not a match after all. In the years he lived as a convicted rapist, he had lost his wife, his business and most of his life." Gizmodo: "When Bad DNA Tests Lead to False Convictions" https://gizmodo.com/when-bad-dna-tests-lead-to-false-convictions-1797915655 Another example along the same lines: "In 2014, a New Orleans filmmaker was identified in an Idaho murder based on a DNA sample that his father had given years earlier as part of a church-sponsored genealogy project. The father's DNA was sold to Ancestry(dot)com, and he was identified to police after Ancestry received a court order. The suspect was later cleared after his DNA didn't match evidence at the crime scene. " Not all people are wealthy film makers who can mount an adequate defense. Even for film makers, this probably took months or even years of effort, which could have been better spent on normal life activities. USA Today: "Took an ancestry DNA test? You might be a 'genetic informant' unleashing secrets about your relatives" https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/nation-now/2018/04/27/ancestry-genealogy-dna-test-privacy-golden-state-killer/557263002/ As I understand it, one case obtained discarded samples from the pizza store and got a 'match.' With microscopic DNA, and the thought of 'planting' DNA on another person (by handshake, back of stamps, etc.), I am sure the list can go on and on. Most folks in their seventies have little resources to hire an attorney to defend themselves. Most likely, a court appointed attorney would have little incentive to defend anybody in such a case. And then there's the problem with insurance companies, etc.  - Dave Hamm

    11/26/2018 11:35:10
    1. [DNA] Re: GENEALOGY-DNA Digest, Vol 13, Issue 515
    2. Wjhonson

    3. I’ve been a member of ancestry for fifteen yearsThere has never been a situation where someone could change your tree unless you’ve added them as an editor of that tree  Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Sunday, November 25, 2018, Betsy Shafer <betspix@gmail.com> wrote: If someone feels his/her tree was changed on Ancestry we can't really argue (as maybe some kind of bug caused it to be insecure or the whole thing occurred long ago when policies allowed someone in . . . we can't be sure that was never the policy). What i can suggest is deleting the tree (be sure you have the data in your possession first) and putting in a new one, as now no one is allowed into your subscription tree or trees. No tree i have added (public or private)(and i do trees for other people and have a huge number) has been changed by anyone other than by someone i have invited to that tree and given 'editor' status to. If you don't want changes made, make sure anyone you invite has only 'guest' status, not 'editor' and not 'contributor.' 'Sharing' allows you to invite people and it might be possible to make a mistake when doing that. If that happened, you could delete the tree. There are ways to manage invitees, but in Carol's case, it sounds like deleting the tree is the best option. - b <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 11:32 AM <genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Send GENEALOGY-DNA mailing list submissions to > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body > subscribe to genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and > body unsubscribe to genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > genealogy-dna-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of GENEALOGY-DNA digest..." > > Today's Topics: > >    1. Re: Linking DNA (Doris Wheeler) >    2. Re: Linking DNA (McDonald, J Douglas) >    3. Re: Ancestry Trees (McDonald, J Douglas) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 14:25:04 -0500 > From: Doris Wheeler <doriswh@gmail.com> > Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: >        <CAF0x4J21pOoipt_kw-kJAfUa2r+KhiP8Z5o3HK_Ts3pfWw= > saQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I agree, Doug. Ancestry has degrees of sharing, which you can change any > time you wish. No one has ever made a change to my trees. > > Doris > > On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 2:22 PM McDonald, J Douglas <jdmcdona@illinois.edu > > > wrote: > > > I don't see how opther people can edit you tree at Ancestry without you > > giving them permission. > > Nobody has even changed my trees. > > > > Doug McDonald > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joan Lince <joanklince@earthlink.net> > > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 9:45 AM > > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA > > > > Carol, you are so right, and you made your point even clearer with the > > example. I once put a tree on Ancestry and others edited in some wrong > > information. The tree is still there, with my family name in its title, > but > > with the errors it not only gives wrong information but reflects badly on > > our carefully documented  research. I wish I could delete the whole tree. > > > > Joan > > b community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > community > > > > > -- > https://www.doriswheeler.org > https://genealogyanddna.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 19:28:24 +0000 > From: "McDonald, J Douglas" <jdmcdona@illinois.edu> > Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA > To: "samhsloan@gmail.com" <samhsloan@gmail.com>, >        "genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com"    <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <DM6PR11MB3097DD9BCFBB1FB761CC7D69BFD60@DM6PR11MB3097.namp >        rd11.prod.outlook.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > " Those who we thought were > our close relatives are not our relatives, and those who we never imagined > to be our relatives are our relatives." > > Odd. So far DNA has never even suggested that anyone on my main tree > was incorrect. Its confirmed vast numbers of people I was quite sure of. > > I also have a tree with suspicious people on it. So far DNA has > "definitively denied" anyone > on it, and has only "definitively confirmed" one person, who died in 1368. > It has > confirmed that our supposition that a case of "which father" cannot be > decided by > DNA because they were indeed brothers. > > Doug McDonald > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Sloan <samhsloan@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 10:19 AM > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com; DNA-NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com; > DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com; Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> > Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA > > The problem with all of this is most of the people who have spent years > gathering the information that is in these Family Trees are dead now, and > most of the few rest of us will be going there soon. I am 74. > Do we want our information to die with us and be lost forever, or do we > want to pass it on to those who in the future who might want it? > I predict that perhaps 20-30 years in the future there will be just one > family tree and the entire world population 7 billion people will be on it. > Those of us doing DNA testing are finding out that our real family tree is > completely different from what we imagined to be. ****** Those who we > thought were > our close relatives are not our relatives, and those who we never imagined > to be our relatives are our relatives.******** > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 19:31:55 +0000 > From: "McDonald, J Douglas" <jdmcdona@illinois.edu> > Subject: [DNA] Re: Ancestry Trees > To: "genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com" <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <DM6PR11MB309791C5E0C07C288EC13E72BFD60@DM6PR11MB3097.namp >        rd11.prod.outlook.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > You can accomplish a very lot at Ancestry using your DNA without a tree. > You just have to have the extreme patience to > root your way through other people's trees using their exceedingly, and > intentionally, cumbersome system. > > Even if you have a tree there, you still have to do this if you want full > benefit. > > Doug McDonald > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lindsey Britton via GENEALOGY-DNA <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > > This discussion about Ancestry is making me have second thoughts about > ordering.  How much can be accomplished at Ancestry DNA without a tree? > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the %(real_name)s list administrator, send an email to > %(real_name)s-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the GENEALOGY-DNA mailing list -- > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com, send an email to %(real_name)s@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > %(real_name)s-request@%(host_name)s > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > ------------------------------ > > End of GENEALOGY-DNA Digest, Vol 13, Issue 515 > ********************************************** > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    11/25/2018 08:48:01
    1. [DNA] Re: Use of familial search by law enforcement
    2. Mori Hillman

    3. Was intrigued by Andreas West’s survey of Gedmatch users. But I hope that DNA won’t be limited in it’s use and suspect it will not. Most gedmatch users who objected appear to have voted with their feet and they were reportedly a minority. I received an email from the DNA doe project that I shared 15 cM with an unidentified 1971 murder victim and would I share my tree? A sheriff’s office wanted to reunite the victim to her nearer family. I think DNA is a wonderful tool and I would hate to see it’s utility limited. ________________________________ From: genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com <genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: November 25, 2018 9:05:21 AM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: GENEALOGY-DNA Digest, Vol 13, Issue 508 Send GENEALOGY-DNA mailing list submissions to genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body subscribe to genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and body unsubscribe to genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at genealogy-dna-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of GENEALOGY-DNA digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Linking DNA (Wjhonson) 2. Re: Which Haplogroup (Wjhonson) 3. Use of familial search by law enforcement (Andreas West) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 16:16:26 +0000 (UTC) From: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA To: ahnen@awest.de Cc: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <300807910.2274094.1543162586857@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 As you can see it’s not possible to deny that law enforcement uses these same apps You cannot tell which kits are from living people and which are from crime scenes Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Saturday, November 24, 2018, Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> wrote: I did run a survey with the 900 followers of our app’s Facebook page and asked them if they want that we explicitly DENY law enforcements to use our app by uploading DNA data that was found at a crime scene. 2/3 of the answers were “Yes”, 1/3 was a “No”. This seems to support what you wrote below, Joan. While I want that those who did these rape’s & murder’s to be properly prosecuted, we will follow the majority vote and not allow the said practice that law enforcements have used to identify now more than 14 (or more) suspects. Please do note that despite how most media calls them, they are “suspects” and suppose to be innocent until proven otherwise. Unfortunately, most media doesn’t use such terms (the term “Golden State Killer” sells more clicks than “suspect in the Golden State Killer case" and it’s questionable if they ever get a fair trial as their DNA was found at the crime scene. To my knowledge, not a single one is currently prosecuted which seems to indicated that things aren’t as easy as getting a DNA match. Our app is for the purpose of finding close relatives and ancestors to those who seek them for either: a) their genealogy hobby b) to identify their birth parent(s) or birth parents of close relatives Andreas Andreas West Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 <http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5> Author of https://www.yourDNA.family <https://www.yourdna.family/> Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - <https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/>https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/ <https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/> > On Nov25, 2018, at 05:53, Joan Lince <joanklince@earthlink.net> wrote: > > I think the reason many people resist copying over to GEDmatch is that it doesn't have the privacy protection that most of the vendors have. > > Joan _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 16:17:22 +0000 (UTC) From: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> Subject: [DNA] Re: Which Haplogroup To: familypast@gmail.com Cc: GENEALOGY-DNA@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1060355656.2266316.1543162642510@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 And what does your autosomal dna say ? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Sunday, November 25, 2018, David Gough <familypast@gmail.com> wrote: A few years ago I was designated as belonging to the L371 ychromosome haplogroup. Known commonly as Ancient Welsh. My surname is of Welsh origin, most of my matches have Welsh surnames or geographical connections with that country. Although I have no known personal family history of a connection with Wales. Now I have recently tested with LivingDNA. And they now designate me as being L-1065, associated with Scottish origins, I do have known family connections with Scotland. So what the heck am I really? *David* _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 01:05:09 +0800 From: Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> Subject: [DNA] Use of familial search by law enforcement To: <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <2F1D7DE8-9BD7-4C52-8B66-C484DDAF7D1F@awest.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 True, but the terms and conditions explicitly don’t allow them to use our app or rather more specifically upload data that is not their own. I had some beta testers express their dissatisfaction about how we check this and why we do it but that’s exactly the reason why. Right now it’s anyway not a problem as we work with 23andMe only and within the limits defined in 23andMe. As long as we don’t calculate matches based on raw DNA data there is nothing that the law enforcement could use our app for anyway. Andreas Andreas West Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 Author of https://www.yourDNA.family Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - https://www.facebook.com/yourDNAfamily/ > On 26 Nov 2018, at 00:16, Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> wrote: > > As you can see it’s not possible to deny that law enforcement uses these same apps > > You cannot tell which kits are from living people and which are from crime scenes > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Saturday, November 24, 2018, Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> wrote: > > I did run a survey with the 900 followers of our app’s Facebook page and asked them if they want that we explicitly DENY law enforcements to use our app by uploading DNA data that was found at a crime scene. 2/3 of the answers were “Yes”, 1/3 was a “No”. This seems to support what you wrote below, Joan. > > While I want that those who did these rape’s & murder’s to be properly prosecuted, we will follow the majority vote and not allow the said practice that law enforcements have used to identify now more than 14 (or more) suspects. > > Please do note that despite how most media calls them, they are “suspects” and suppose to be innocent until proven otherwise. Unfortunately, most media doesn’t use such terms (the term “Golden State Killer” sells more clicks than “suspect in the Golden State Killer case" and it’s questionable if they ever get a fair trial as their DNA was found at the crime scene. To my knowledge, not a single one is currently prosecuted which seems to indicated that things aren’t as easy as getting a DNA match. > > Our app is for the purpose of finding close relatives and ancestors to those who seek them for either: > > a) their genealogy hobby > > b) to identify their birth parent(s) or birth parents of close relatives > > > Andreas ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the %(real_name)s list administrator, send an email to %(real_name)s-admin@rootsweb.com. 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    11/25/2018 08:45:47
    1. [DNA] Re: GENEALOGY-DNA Digest, Vol 13, Issue 515
    2. Betsy Shafer

    3. If someone feels his/her tree was changed on Ancestry we can't really argue (as maybe some kind of bug caused it to be insecure or the whole thing occurred long ago when policies allowed someone in . . . we can't be sure that was never the policy). What i can suggest is deleting the tree (be sure you have the data in your possession first) and putting in a new one, as now no one is allowed into your subscription tree or trees. No tree i have added (public or private)(and i do trees for other people and have a huge number) has been changed by anyone other than by someone i have invited to that tree and given 'editor' status to. If you don't want changes made, make sure anyone you invite has only 'guest' status, not 'editor' and not 'contributor.' 'Sharing' allows you to invite people and it might be possible to make a mistake when doing that. If that happened, you could delete the tree. There are ways to manage invitees, but in Carol's case, it sounds like deleting the tree is the best option. - b <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 11:32 AM <genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Send GENEALOGY-DNA mailing list submissions to > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body > subscribe to genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and > body unsubscribe to genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > genealogy-dna-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of GENEALOGY-DNA digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Linking DNA (Doris Wheeler) > 2. Re: Linking DNA (McDonald, J Douglas) > 3. Re: Ancestry Trees (McDonald, J Douglas) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 14:25:04 -0500 > From: Doris Wheeler <doriswh@gmail.com> > Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAF0x4J21pOoipt_kw-kJAfUa2r+KhiP8Z5o3HK_Ts3pfWw= > saQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I agree, Doug. Ancestry has degrees of sharing, which you can change any > time you wish. No one has ever made a change to my trees. > > Doris > > On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 2:22 PM McDonald, J Douglas <jdmcdona@illinois.edu > > > wrote: > > > I don't see how opther people can edit you tree at Ancestry without you > > giving them permission. > > Nobody has even changed my trees. > > > > Doug McDonald > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joan Lince <joanklince@earthlink.net> > > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 9:45 AM > > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA > > > > Carol, you are so right, and you made your point even clearer with the > > example. I once put a tree on Ancestry and others edited in some wrong > > information. The tree is still there, with my family name in its title, > but > > with the errors it not only gives wrong information but reflects badly on > > our carefully documented research. I wish I could delete the whole tree. > > > > Joan > > b community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > community > > > > > -- > https://www.doriswheeler.org > https://genealogyanddna.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 19:28:24 +0000 > From: "McDonald, J Douglas" <jdmcdona@illinois.edu> > Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA > To: "samhsloan@gmail.com" <samhsloan@gmail.com>, > "genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com" <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <DM6PR11MB3097DD9BCFBB1FB761CC7D69BFD60@DM6PR11MB3097.namp > rd11.prod.outlook.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > " Those who we thought were > our close relatives are not our relatives, and those who we never imagined > to be our relatives are our relatives." > > Odd. So far DNA has never even suggested that anyone on my main tree > was incorrect. Its confirmed vast numbers of people I was quite sure of. > > I also have a tree with suspicious people on it. So far DNA has > "definitively denied" anyone > on it, and has only "definitively confirmed" one person, who died in 1368. > It has > confirmed that our supposition that a case of "which father" cannot be > decided by > DNA because they were indeed brothers. > > Doug McDonald > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Sloan <samhsloan@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 10:19 AM > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com; DNA-NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com; > DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com; Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> > Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA > > The problem with all of this is most of the people who have spent years > gathering the information that is in these Family Trees are dead now, and > most of the few rest of us will be going there soon. I am 74. > Do we want our information to die with us and be lost forever, or do we > want to pass it on to those who in the future who might want it? > I predict that perhaps 20-30 years in the future there will be just one > family tree and the entire world population 7 billion people will be on it. > Those of us doing DNA testing are finding out that our real family tree is > completely different from what we imagined to be. ****** Those who we > thought were > our close relatives are not our relatives, and those who we never imagined > to be our relatives are our relatives.******** > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 19:31:55 +0000 > From: "McDonald, J Douglas" <jdmcdona@illinois.edu> > Subject: [DNA] Re: Ancestry Trees > To: "genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com" <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <DM6PR11MB309791C5E0C07C288EC13E72BFD60@DM6PR11MB3097.namp > rd11.prod.outlook.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > You can accomplish a very lot at Ancestry using your DNA without a tree. > You just have to have the extreme patience to > root your way through other people's trees using their exceedingly, and > intentionally, cumbersome system. > > Even if you have a tree there, you still have to do this if you want full > benefit. > > Doug McDonald > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lindsey Britton via GENEALOGY-DNA <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > > This discussion about Ancestry is making me have second thoughts about > ordering. How much can be accomplished at Ancestry DNA without a tree? > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the %(real_name)s list administrator, send an email to > %(real_name)s-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the GENEALOGY-DNA mailing list -- > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com, send an email to %(real_name)s@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > %(real_name)s-request@%(host_name)s > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > ------------------------------ > > End of GENEALOGY-DNA Digest, Vol 13, Issue 515 > ********************************************** > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

    11/25/2018 08:35:47
    1. [DNA] Re: Linking DNA
    2. Eric S Johnson

    3. > My trees are public and no one can change them I don't think anyone can arbitrarily change someone else's Ancestry trees (now). But, if you invite someone into your tree and give them the right to edit your tree ... then ... they can edit your tree (and it's easy to forget who-all you've invited, over the years). Many folks (including me) are fairly cavalier about issuing invitations--if only to enable a friend/relative/guest to see living people. It's true it's a bit confusing, since there are a number of separate tree visibility attribute "switches" which can be toggled: public/private, visible-on-profile/invisible, indexed/non-indexed, explicitly-shared/not, and then when shared, -living-people-visible/not, and -with-editing-privileges/not. But, more-DNA-interestingly, I have a triangulated group around a 77-cM atDNA HIR which has over 40 people in it (each sharing more or less, but many in the 35cM+ range), almost none of whom I can find a relationship with/among. Has anyone seen any explanation for why/how this can happen?

    11/25/2018 04:56:12
    1. [DNA] Re: Linking DNA
    2. Joan Lince

    3. I think an issue in this discussion is possibly the fact that Ancestry has not always had the same policies. When I had a subscription about ten years ago I posted a five generation pedigree. Then I discontinued the subscription but the tree remained online and I no longer could modify it in any way. But during that time I saw evidence on the Ancestry Library Edition that the tree was still there but with some incorrect information added. I still don't have a subscription but have some access on my own computer because of DNA testing, so I can see that the wrong information is not there, but there's a lot of information I myself did not post. Maybe Ancestry's present policies wouldn't allow changes, but I do know that when I recently asked a cousin who has a subscription to delete my name from the tree she was able to do it. Joan From: McDonald, J Douglas [mailto:jdmcdona@illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 2:28 PM To: samhsloan@gmail.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA " Those who we thought were our close relatives are not our relatives, and those who we never imagined to be our relatives are our relatives." Odd. So far DNA has never even suggested that anyone on my main tree was incorrect. Its confirmed vast numbers of people I was quite sure of. I also have a tree with suspicious people on it. So far DNA has "definitively denied" anyone on it, and has only "definitively confirmed" one person, who died in 1368. It has confirmed that our supposition that a case of "which father" cannot be decided by DNA because they were indeed brothers. Doug McDonald -----Original Message----- From: Sam Sloan <samhsloan@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 10:19 AM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com; DNA-NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com; DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com; Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA The problem with all of this is most of the people who have spent years gathering the information that is in these Family Trees are dead now, and most of the few rest of us will be going there soon. I am 74. Do we want our information to die with us and be lost forever, or do we want to pass it on to those who in the future who might want it? I predict that perhaps 20-30 years in the future there will be just one family tree and the entire world population 7 billion people will be on it. Those of us doing DNA testing are finding out that our real family tree is completely different from what we imagined to be. ****** Those who we thought were our close relatives are not our relatives, and those who we never imagined to be our relatives are our relatives.******** _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    11/25/2018 04:21:13
    1. [DNA] Re: Linking DNA
    2. Wjhonson

    3. This is still not trueMy trees are public and no one can change them  Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Sunday, November 25, 2018, Joan Lince <joanklince@earthlink.net> wrote: I think it depends on whether you make your tree public or private. I'm not clear about the consequences of one's choices, and I was even less so at the time I posted the tree. What is very clear to me now is that additional information is now in the tree and there are errors in it that I couldn't possibly have made. Joan -----Original Message----- From: McDonald, J Douglas [mailto:jdmcdona@illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 2:22 PM To: joanklince@earthlink.net; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA I don't see how opther people can edit you tree at Ancestry without you giving them permission. Nobody has even changed my trees. Doug McDonald -----Original Message----- From: Joan Lince <joanklince@earthlink.net> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 9:45 AM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA Carol, you are so right, and you made your point even clearer with the example. I once put a tree on Ancestry and others edited in some wrong information. The tree is still there, with my family name in its title, but with the errors it not only gives wrong information but reflects badly on our carefully documented  research. I wish I could delete the whole tree. Joan b community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    11/25/2018 03:25:37
    1. [DNA] Re: Linking DNA
    2. Joan Lince

    3. I think it depends on whether you make your tree public or private. I'm not clear about the consequences of one's choices, and I was even less so at the time I posted the tree. What is very clear to me now is that additional information is now in the tree and there are errors in it that I couldn't possibly have made. Joan -----Original Message----- From: McDonald, J Douglas [mailto:jdmcdona@illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 2:22 PM To: joanklince@earthlink.net; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA I don't see how opther people can edit you tree at Ancestry without you giving them permission. Nobody has even changed my trees. Doug McDonald -----Original Message----- From: Joan Lince <joanklince@earthlink.net> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 9:45 AM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA Carol, you are so right, and you made your point even clearer with the example. I once put a tree on Ancestry and others edited in some wrong information. The tree is still there, with my family name in its title, but with the errors it not only gives wrong information but reflects badly on our carefully documented research. I wish I could delete the whole tree. Joan b community

    11/25/2018 03:24:12
    1. [DNA] mtDNA sequences from South Africa on the GenBank database (4 of 4)
    2. Ian Logan

    3. List And the 4th. page. Ian ----------------- MH981666(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0d2b2 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C G247A A750G G769A T794C T825A G1018A C1048T T1386C A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A C3594T A3756G A3981G C4025T A4044G A4104G T4232C C4312T A4769G G5054A T5442C T6185C T6815C C7028T A7146G A7154G C7256T G7521A C8113A G8152A G8251A C8468T C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C G9755A G9932A T10084C A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C A11101G G11719A T11854C G11914A G12007A T12121C C12705T A12720G A13105G A13276G C13506T C13650T T13768C T14326C C14766T A15326G G15466A T15511C A15766G G15930A T15940C T15941C C16069T G16129A C16169T C16187T T16189C A16212G C16223T A16230G T16243C T16311C T16519C MH981667(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L3d1a1a1 20-NOV-2018 A73G C150T T152C A263G A750G T921C A1438G G1503A A2706G A3579G G4048A A4203G A4769G G5147A G5471A T6680C C7028T A7424G C7648T T8618C A8701G A8860G T9540C A10398G T10640C T10873C T10915C G11719A G11887A C12705T A13105G T13886C C14284T C14766T G15301A A15326G T16124C C16223T G16319A MH981668(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L2a1b1a 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C A263G A750G G769A G1018A A1438G G2304A T2416C A2706G C2789T C3594T A4104G A4769G T5090C C7028T T7175C C7256T C7274T G7521A A7771G G8206A A8701G A8860G A9221G T9540C T10115C G10143A A10398G T10873C G11719A G11914A T11944C A12693G C12705T G13590A C13650T A13803G A14566G C14766T G15301A A15326G C15735T T15784C A16182- A16183- C16184M T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C C16223T C16278T C16290T C16294T A16309G C16380Y G16390A MH981669(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0d2a1a 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C C198T G247A C597T A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A C3594T A3756G A3981G C4025T A4044G A4104G A4225G T4232C C4312T A4769G A5153G T5442C T6185C T6815C C7028T A7146G A7154G C7256T G7521A C8113A G8152A G8251A G8392A C8468T G8545A C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C G9755A A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C G11719A T11854C G11914A G12007A T12121C A12172G A12234G C12705T A12720G A12810G A13105G A13276G C13506T C13650T T14221C C14766T A15326G G15466A A15766G G15930A T15941C G16129A T16189C A16212G C16223T A16230G T16243C T16311C G16390A T16519C MH981670(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0d1b2b2b 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C G247A G719A A750G G769A T825A A1008G G1018A C1048T G2758A T2885C G3438A C3516A C3594T T3618C A3660G A3756G A4104G T4232C C4312T A4769G T5442C T6185C A6266G T6815C C7028T A7146G C7256T T7283C G7521A C8113A G8152A G8251A T8383C C8468T A8577G C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C G9755A A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C G11611A G11719A G11914A G12007A T12121C T12414C C12705T A12720G A13105G A13276G C13506T C13650T G13759A C14315T C14659T C14766T A15326G G15466A A15692G T15697C G15930A T15941C A16037G G16129A C16187T T16189C C16223T C16239T T16243C C16294T T16311C T16519C MH981671(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0d1b2b2a 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C G247A G719A A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T G2758A T2885C T2887C G3438A C3516A C3594T T3618C A3756G A4104G T4232C C4312T A4769G T5442C T6185C A6266G T6815C C7028T A7146G C7256T T7283C G7521A C8113A G8152A G8251A T8383C C8468T C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C G9755A A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C G11719A G11914A G12007A T12121C C12705T A12720G A13105G A13276G C13506T C13650T G13759A C14315T C14659T C14766T A15326G G15466A A15692G G15930A T15941C G16129A C16187T T16189C C16223T C16239T T16243C C16294T T16311C T16519C MH981672(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L2a1b1a 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C A263G A750G G769A G1018A A1438G T2416C A2706G C2789T C3594T A4104G A4769G T5090C C7028T T7175C C7256T C7274T G7521A A7771G G8206A A8701G A8860G A9221G T9540C T10115C G10143A A10398G T10873C G11719A G11914A T11944C A12693G C12705T G13590A C13650T A13803G A14566G C14766T G15301A A15326G C15735T T15784C A16182- A16183- C16184M T16189C 16193.1Y 16193.2C C16223T C16278T C16290T C16294T A16309G G16390A MH981673(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0a1b1a1 20-NOV-2018 T89C A93G A95C T152C G185A A189G T236C G247A A263G A750G G769A T825A T961C G1018A C1048T A1438G A2245G A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A C3594T A4104G C4312T T4586C A4769G T5096C G5231A T5442C G5460A C5603T C5911T T6185C C7028T A7146G C7256T G7521A A8191G C8428T C8468T A8566G C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C G9755A C9818T A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C G11176A A11641G G11719A G11914A G12007A G12127A C12705T A12720G A13105G A13276G C13506T C13650T A14007G T14308C C14766T C15136T A15326G G15431A G16129A C16148T C16168T T16172C C16187T C16188G T16189C C16223T A16230G C16278T A16293G T16311C C16320T MH981674(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0a2a2a 20-NOV-2018 C64T A93G T152C A189G T204C G207A T236C G247A A263G A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T A1438G A2245G A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A C3594T A4104G C4312T T4586C A4769G G5147A G5231A T5442C G5460A C5603T A5711G T6185C T6221C G6257A C7028T A7146G C7256T G7521A C8428T A8460G C8468T A8566G C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C A9545G G9554A G9755A C9818T A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C C11143T A11172G G11176A A11641G G11719A G11914A G12007A C12705T A12720G A13105G C13116T A13276G C13506T C13650T T14308C A14755G C14766T C15136T A15326G G15431A C16148T T16172C C16187T C16188G T16189C C16223T A16230G T16311C C16320T MH981675(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L3e1a3a 20-NOV-2018 A73G C150T A189G A200G A263G A750G A1438G T2352C A2706G A4769G C5255T T6221C C6587T C7028T G7337A A8701G A8860G T9540C A10819G T10873C G11719A C12705T A14152G T14212C C14766T T15099C G15301A A15326G T15670C T15942C C16185T C16223T C16327T T16519C MH981676(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L2a1b1a 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C A263G A750G G769A G1018A A1438G T2416C A2706G C2789T C3594T A4104G A4769G T5090C C7028T T7175C C7256T C7274T G7521A T7705Y A7771G G8206A A8701G A8860G A9221G T9540C T10115C G10143A A10398G T10873C G11719A G11914A T11944C A12397G A12693G C12705T G13590A C13650T A13803G A14566G C14766T G15301A A15326G C15735T T15784C A16182- A16183- C16184M T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C C16223T C16278T C16290T C16294T A16309G G16390A MH981677(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0a2a2a 20-NOV-2018 C64T A93G T152C A189G T204C G207A T236C G247A A263G A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T A1438G A2245G A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A C3594T A4104G C4312T T4586C A4769G G5147A G5231A T5442C G5460A C5603T A5711G T6185C G6257A C7028T A7146G C7256T G7521A C8428T A8460G C8468T A8566G C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C A9545G G9554A G9755A C9818T T10007C A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C C11143T A11172G G11176A A11641G G11719A G11914A T11935C G12007A C12705T A12720G A13105G C13116T A13276G C13506T C13650T T14308C A14755G C14766T C15136T A15326G G15431A C16148T T16172C C16187T C16188G T16189C C16223T A16230G T16311C C16320T MH981678(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0d2a1 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C C198T G247A C597T A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A T3552C C3594T A3756G A3981G C4025T A4044G A4104G A4225G T4232C C4312T A4769G A4944G A5153G T5442C T6185C T6815C C7028T A7146G A7154G C7256T G7521A C8113A G8152A G8251A G8392A C8468T C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C G9755A T10084C A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C G11719A T11854C G11914A G12007A T12121C A12172G A12234G C12705T A12720G A12810G A13105G A13276G C13506T C13650T T14221C C14766T A15326G G15466A A15766G G15930A T15941C G16129A C16187T T16189C A16212G C16223T A16230G T16243C T16311C G16390A T16519C MH981679(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L2a1a2a1a 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C A263G A750G G769A G1018A A1438G T2416C A2706G C2789T C3594T G3918A A4104G A4769G A4976G A5285G C7028T T7175C C7256T C7274T G7521A A7771G G8206A A8701G A8860G C9211T A9221G T9540C G9548S T10115C A10398G T10454C T10873C G11719A G11914A T11944C A12693G C12705T G13590A C13650T A13803G A14566G C14766T C15211T A15244G G15301A A15326G A15421G T15629C T15784C C16223T C16278T C16286T C16294T A16309G G16390A T16519C MH981680(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L2a1b1a 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C A263G A750G G769A G1018A A1438G T2416C A2706G C2789T C3594T A4104G A4769G T5090C C7028T T7175C C7256T C7274T G7521A A7771G G8206A A8701G A8860G A9221G T9540C G9548S T10115C G10143A A10398G T10873C G11719A G11914A T11944C A12693G C12705T G13590A C13650T A13803G A14566G C14766T G15301A A15326G C15735T T15784C A16182- A16183- T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C C16223T C16278T C16290T C16294T A16309G G16390A MH981681(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L2a1h 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C A263G A750G G769A G1018A T1193C A1438G T2416C A2706G C2789T A3505G C3594T A4104G T4703C A4769G T4772C C5312T G5822A C7028T T7175C C7256T C7274T G7521A A7771G G8206A A8701G A8860G A9221G T9540C T10115C A10398G T10873C G11719A G11914A T11944C A12693G C12705T C12976T G13590A C13650T C13764T A13803G A13824G A14566G C14766T G15301A A15326G T15784C C16223T C16234T T16249C C16278T C16294T C16295T G16390A MH981682(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L2a1b1a 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C A263G A750G G769A G1018A A1438G T2416C A2706G C2789T C3594T A4104G A4769G T5090C C7028T T7175C C7256T C7274T G7521A A7771G G8206A A8701G A8860G A9221G T9540C T10115C G10143A A10398G T10873C G11719A G11914A T11944C A12693G C12705T G13590A C13650T A13803G A14566G C14766T G15301A A15326G C15735T T15784C A16182- A16183- C16184M T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C C16223T C16278T C16290T C16294T A16309G G16390A MH981683(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup J2a1a1e 20-NOV-2018 A73G C150T T152C T195C A215G A263G C295T T319C T489C G513A A750G A1438G A2706G T4216C A4769G C7028T T7080C C7476T G7789A C8270T A8860G G9548S A10398G A10499G A11251G G11377A G11719A A12612G G13708A A13722G A14133G C14766T G15257A A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C G16145A A16183- T16189C 16193.1C T16231C C16261T MH981684(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L3e1b2 20-NOV-2018 A73G C150T G185A A189G A263G A750G A1438G T2352C A2706G A4769G T6221C C6587T C7028T A8577G A8701G A8860G T9540C G9548S A10398G A10819G T10873C G11719A G12192A C12705T A14152G T14212C C14766T A14926G G15301A A15326G T15670C T15942C T16075C C16223T C16239T MH981685(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L1c2a3a 20-NOV-2018 C64Y A73G C151T T152C C182T C186A A189C T195C C198T G247A A263G A297G G316A A385G T471C A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T T1420C A1438G A2394M A2395M A2706G G2758A T2885C C3594T G3666A A4104G A4769G A5951G T6071C G6150A T6253C G6723A C7028T A7055G A7076G A7146G C7256T G7337A T7389C G7521A T7741C G8027A C8468T C8655T A8701G A8784G A8860G T8877C A9072G T9540C T10321C A10398G G10586A G10688A A10792G C10793T T10810C T10873C A11329G A11654G G11719A C12049T C12705T A12810G A13105G A13149G C13506T C13650T T13789C T14000A A14127G T14178C G14560A C14766T G14861A C14911T C15016T A15326G T15784C T16172C C16184T C16187T T16189C C16223T A16265C C16278T C16286G C16294T T16311C C16360T T16519C C16527T MH981686(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L3d1a1a1 20-NOV-2018 A73G C150T T152C A263G A750G T921C A1438G G1503A A2706G A3579G G4048A A4203G A4769G G5147A G5471A T6680C C7028T A7424G C7648T T8618C A8701G A8860G T9540C G9548S A10398G T10640C T10873C T10915C G11719A G11887A C12705T A13105G T13886C C14284T C14766T G15301A A15326G T16124C C16223T G16319A

    11/25/2018 02:20:00
    1. [DNA] mtDNA sequences from South Africa on the GenBank database (3 of 4)
    2. Ian Logan

    3. List And the 3rd. page. Ian ------------------------ MH981644(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0d2c2 20-NOV-2018 A73G G94A T146C T195C G247A T294A A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A C3594T A3756G A3981G C4025T A4038G A4044G A4104G T4204C T4232C C4312T A4769G T4937C T5442C T6185C C6644T T6815C C7028T A7146G A7154G C7256T G7521A C8113A G8152A G8251A C8284T A8420G C8468T C8655T A8701G A8725G C9042T T9230C G9305A A9347G A9531G T9540C G9755A G10373A A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C G11719A T11854C G11914A A11974G G12007A T12121C T12161C G12501A C12705T A12720G A13105G A13276G C13506T C13650T A13827G A14007G C14766T A15326G G15346A G15466A A15766G G15930A T15941C G16129A C16187T T16189C C16223T A16230G T16243C T16311C T16519C MH981645(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L2a1b1a 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C A263G A750G G769A G1018A A1438G T2416C A2706G C2789T C3594T A4104G A4769G T5090C C7028T T7175C C7256T C7274T G7521A A7771G G8206A A8701G A8860G A9221G T9540C T10115C G10143A A10398G T10873C G11719A G11914A T11944C A12693G C12705T G13590A C13650T A13803G A14566G C14766T G15301A A15326G C15735T T15784C T16126C A16182- A16183- T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C C16223T C16278T C16290T C16294T A16309G G16390A MH981646(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L3f1b4a1 20-NOV-2018 A73G C150T A189G A200G A263G A750G A1438G T1822C A2706G T3396C A3505G T4218C A4769G C5601T C7028T C7819A A8527G A8701G A8799G A8860G C8932T T9540C T9950C A10398G T10873C G11440A G11719A C12705T A13167G C14766T A14769G G15301A A15326G T15514C T15940Y T16209C C16223T T16311C T16519C MH981647(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L3f1b4a1 20-NOV-2018 A73G C150T A189G A200G A263G A750G A1438G T1822C A2706G T3396C A3505G G3736A T4218C A4769G C5601T C7028T C7819A A8527G A8701G A8799G A8860G C8932T T9540C T9950C A10398G T10873C G11440A G11719A C12705T A13167G C14766T A14769G G15301A A15326G T15514C T15940Y T16209C C16223T T16311C T16519C MH981648(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0d1a1a 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T195C T199C G247A G719A A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T T1243C G2758A T2885C G3438A C3516A C3594T A3756G A4104G T4232C C4312T A4769G T5442C T6185C A6266G T6815C C7028T A7146G A7241G C7256T T7389C G7521A C8113A G8152A G8251A G8392A C8468T C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C G9755A T9950C A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10907C T10915C G11719A G11914A G12007A T12121C A12142G T12696C C12705T A12720G C12798T T12957C A13105G A13276G C13506T C13650T G13759A C14766T A15326G G15466A G15930A T15941C G16129A C16187T T16189C A16230G C16234T T16243C C16266A T16311C T16519C A16524T MH981649(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup H3c 20-NOV-2018 A263G A750G A1438G A4769G G6261A T6776C A8860G A12193G T12957C A14152G A15326G T16519C MH981650(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup HV0-T195C 20-NOV-2018 T72C T195C A263G A750G A1438G A2706G G3337A A4769G C7028T A8860G T14581C A15326G G15617A G15734A T16298C T16311C MH981651(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0d1b2b 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C G247A G719A A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T G2758A T2885C G3438A C3516A C3594T T3618C A3756G A3796G A4104G T4232C C4312T A4769G T5442C T5562C T6185C A6266G T6815C C7028T A7146G C7256T T7283C G7521A C8113A G8152A G8251A C8468T C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C G9755A A10398G G10589A T10609C C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C G11719A G11914A G12007A T12121C C12705T A12720G A13105G A13276G T13488C C13506T C13650T G13759A T13818C C14315T C14659T C14766T A15326G G15466A G15930A T15941C G16129A C16187T T16189C C16223T A16230G C16239T T16243C C16294T T16311C T16519C MH981652(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup H11a-T152C 20-NOV-2018 T152C T195C A263G A750G T961G A1438G G3736A A4769G G4820A A5515G T8448C A8860G G13759A A15326G A16293G T16311C MH981653(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0d2a1a 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C C198T G247A C597T A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A C3594T A3756G A3981G C4025T A4044G A4104G A4225G T4232C C4312T A4769G A4965G A5153G T5442C T6185C T6815C C7028T A7146G A7154G C7256T G7521A T8093C C8113A G8152A G8251A G8392A C8468T G8545A C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C G9755A G10373A A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C G11719A T11854C G11914A G12007A T12121C A12172G A12234G C12705T A12720G A12810G A13105G A13276G C13506T C13650T T14221C A14517G C14766T A15326G G15466A A15766G G15930A T15941C G16129A C16187T T16189C A16212G C16223T A16230G T16243C T16311C G16390A T16519C MH981654(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L1c2a3a 20-NOV-2018 A73G C151T T152C C182T C186A A189C T195C C198T G247A A263G A297G G316A A385G T471C A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T T1420C A1438G A2394M A2395M A2706G G2758A T2885C C3594T G3666A A4104G A4769G A5951G T6071C G6150A T6253C G6723A C7028T A7055G A7076G A7146G C7256T G7337A T7389C G7521A T7741C G8027A C8468T T8473C C8655T A8701G A8784G A8860G T8877C A9072G T9540C T10321C A10398G G10586A G10688A A10792G C10793T T10810C T10873C A11329G A11654G G11719A C12049T C12705T A12810G A13105G A13149G C13506T C13650T T13789C T14000A A14127G T14178C G14560A C14766T G14861A C14911T C15016T A15326G T15784C C16169Y T16172C C16187T T16189C C16223T A16265C C16278T C16286G C16294T T16311C C16360T T16519C C16527T MH981655(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L3e2b 20-NOV-2018 A73G C150T T195C A263G A750G G769A A1438G T2352C A2706G A4164G A4769G C7028T A8701G A8860G T9540C A10398G A10819G T10873C G11719A C12705T T14212C C14766T G14905A G15301A A15326G T16172C A16183- T16189C 16193.1C C16223T C16320T T16519C MH981656(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup H48 20-NOV-2018 A263G A750G A1438G A4769G A8860G G11016A A15326G G16129A T16519C MH981657(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L2a1b1a 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C A263G A750G G769A G1018A C1120T A1438G T2416C A2706G C2789T C3594T A4104G A4769G T5090C C7028T T7175C C7256T C7274T G7521A A7771G G8206A C8270T A8701G A8860G A9221G T9540C T10115C G10143A A10398G T10873C G11719A G11914A T11944C A12693G C12705T G13590A C13650T A13803G A14566G C14766T G15301A A15326G C15735T T15784C A16183- T16189C 16193.1C C16223T C16278T C16290T C16294T A16309G G16390A MH981658(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0d1a1 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T195C T199C G247A G719A A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T T1243C G2758A T2885C G3438A C3516A C3594T A3756G G3849A A4104G T4232C C4312T A4769G T5442C T6185C A6266G T6815C C7028T A7146G C7256T G7521A C8113A G8152A G8251A C8468T C8655T A8701G T8793C A8860G C9042T A9347G G9477A T9540C G9755A T9950C A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C G11719A G11914A G12007A T12121C A12142G C12705T A12720G C12798T A13105G A13276G C13506T C13650T G13759A C14766T A15326G G15466A G15930A T15941C G16129A C16187T T16189C A16230G C16234T T16243C C16266A T16311C T16519C MH981659(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L1c2a3a 20-NOV-2018 A73G C151T T152C C182T C186A A189C T195C C198T G247A A263G A297G G316A A385G T471C A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T T1420C A1438G A2394M A2395M A2706G G2758A T2885C C3594T G3666A A4104G A4769G A5951G T6071C G6150A A6203G T6253C G6723A C7028T A7055G A7076G A7146G C7256T G7337A T7389C G7521A T7741C G8027A C8468T C8655T A8701G A8784G A8860G T8877C A9072G T9540C T10321C A10398G G10586A G10688A A10792G C10793T T10810C T10873C A11329G A11654G G11719A C12049T C12705T A12810G A13105G A13149G C13506T C13650T T13789C T14000A A14127G T14178C G14560A C14766T G14861A C14911T C15016T A15326G T15784C T16172C C16187T T16189C C16223T A16265C C16278T C16286G C16294T T16311C C16360T T16519C C16527T MH981660(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0a2a2a 20-NOV-2018 C64T A93G T152C A189G T204C G207A T236C G247A A263G A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T A1438G A2245G A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A C3594T A4104G C4312T T4586C A4769G G5147A G5231A T5442C G5460A C5603T A5711G T6185C G6257A C7028T A7146G C7256T G7521A C8428T A8460G C8468T A8566G C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C A9545G G9554A G9755A C9818T A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C C11143T A11172G G11176A C11602T A11641G G11719A G11914A G12007A C12705T A12720G A13105G C13116T A13276G C13506T C13650T T14308C A14755G C14766T C15136T A15326G G15431A C16148T T16172C C16187T C16188A T16189C C16223T A16230G T16311C C16320T T16519C MH981661(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0a2a2a 20-NOV-2018 C64T A93G T152C A189G T204C G207A T236C G247A A263G A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T A1438G A2245G A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A C3594T A4104G C4312T T4586C A4769G G5147A G5231A T5442C G5460A C5603T A5711G T6185C G6257A C7028T A7146G C7256T G7521A C8428T A8460G C8468T A8566G C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C A9545G G9554A G9755A C9818T A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C C11143T A11172G G11176A A11641G G11719A G11914A G12007A C12705T A12720G A13105G C13116T A13276G C13506T C13650T T14308C A14755G C14766T C15136T A15326G G15431A C16148T T16172C C16187T C16188G T16189C C16223T A16230G T16311C C16320T T16519C MH981662(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L3d1a1a1 20-NOV-2018 A73G C150T A263G A750G T921C A1438G G1503A A2706G A3579G G4048A A4203G A4769G G5147A G5471A T6680C C7028T A7424G C7648T T8618C A8701G A8860G G8989R T9540C A10398G T10640C T10873C T10915C G11719A G11887A C12705T A13104R A13105G T13886C C14284T C14766T G15301A A15326G T16124C C16223T G16319A MH981663(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0a2a2a 20-NOV-2018 C64T A93G T152C A189G T204C G207A T236C G247A A263G A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T A1438G A2245G A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A C3594T A4104G C4312T T4586C A4769G G5147A G5231A T5442C G5460A C5603T A5711G T6185C G6257A C7028T A7146G C7256T G7521A C8428T A8460G C8468T A8566G C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C A9545G G9554A G9755A C9818T A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C C11143T A11172G G11176A A11641G G11719A G11914A G12007A C12705T A12720G A13105G C13116T A13276G C13506T C13650T T14308C A14755G C14766T C15136T A15326G G15431A C16148T T16172C C16187T C16188G T16189C C16223T A16230G T16311C C16320T T16519C MH981664(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0a2a2a 20-NOV-2018 C64T A93G T152C A189G T204C G207A T236C G247A A263G A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T A1438G A2245G A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A C3594T A4104G C4312T T4586C A4769G G5147A G5231A T5442C G5460A C5603T A5711G T6185C G6257A C7028T A7146G C7256T G7521A C8428T A8460G C8468T A8566G C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C A9545G G9554A G9755A C9818T A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C C11143T A11172G G11176A A11641G G11719A G11914A G12007A C12705T A12720G A13105G C13116T A13276G C13506T C13650T T14308C A14755G C14766T C15136T A15326G G15431A C16148T T16172C C16187T C16188G T16189C C16223T A16230G T16311C C16320T T16519C MH981665(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L2a1b1a 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C A263G A750G G769A G1018A A1438G T2416C A2706G C2789T C3594T A4104G A4769G T5090C C7028T T7175C C7256T C7274T G7521A A7771G G8206A A8701G A8860G A9221G T9540C T10115C G10143A A10398G T10873C G11719A G11914A T11944C A12693G C12705T G13590A C13650T A13803G A14566G C14766T G15301A A15326G C15735T T15784C A16051G A16182- A16183- C16184M T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C C16223T C16278T C16290T C16294T A16309G G16390A

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    1. [DNA] mtDNA sequences from South Africa on the GenBank database (2 of 4)
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List And the 2nd. page Ian ---------------------------- >MH981622(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0d1b2b2a 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C G247A G719A A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T G2758A T2885C T2887C G3438A C3516A C3594T T3618C A3756G A4104G T4232C C4312T A4769G T5442C T6185C A6266G T6815C C7028T A7146G C7256T T7283C G7521A C8113A G8152A G8251A T8383C C8468T C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C G9755A A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C G11719A G11914A G12007A T12121C C12705T A12720G G12775A A13105G A13276G C13506T C13650T G13759A C14315T C14659T C14766T A15326G G15466A A15692G G15930A T15941C G16129A C16187T T16189C C16223T C16239T T16243C C16294T T16311C T16519C MH981623(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup J1c2c1 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C G185A A188G C222T G228A A263G C295T C462T T489C A750G A1438G A2706G G3010A T4216C A4769G C7028T A8860G A10398G G10685A A11251G G11719A A12612G T13281C G13708A A13933G C14766T T14798C A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C T16519C >MH981624(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0d1b2b1b 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C G247A G719A A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T G2758A T2885C G3438A C3516A C3594T T3618C A3756G A4104G T4232C C4312T A4769G T5442C T6185C A6266G G6383A T6815C C7028T A7146G C7256T T7283C G7521A C8113A G8152A G8251A C8468T C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T T9111C A9347G T9540C G9755A A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C C10920T G11176A G11719A G11914A G12007A T12121C C12436T C12705T A12720G A13105G A13276G C13506T C13650T G13759A C14315T C14659T C14766T A15326G C15337T G15466A G15930A T15941C G16129A C16187T T16189C C16223T A16230G C16239T T16243C C16294T T16311C C16320T T16519C MH981625(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup U2e1 20-NOV-2018 A73G T152C T195Y T217C A263G C340T A508G G709A A750G A1438G A1811G A2706G A3140G A3720G A4769G A5390G T5426C C6045T T6152C C7028T A8860G A10876G A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A T13020C T13734C C14766T A15326G A15907G A16051G G16129C A16183- T16189C 16193.1C C16278T T16362C T16519C >MH981626(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0a2a2a 20-NOV-2018 C64T A93G C150T T152C A189G T204C G207A T236C G247A A263G A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T A1438G A2245G A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A C3594T A4104G C4312T T4586C A4769G G5147A G5231A T5442C G5460A C5603T A5711G T6185C G6257A C7028T A7146G C7256T G7521A C8428T A8460G C8468T A8566G C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C A9545G G9554A G9755A C9818T A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C C11143T A11172G G11176A A11641G G11719A G11914A G12007A C12705T A12720G A13105G C13116T A13276G C13506T C13650T T14308C A14755G C14766T C15136T A15326G G15431A C16148T T16172C C16187T C16188G T16189C C16223T A16230G T16311C C16320T T16519C >MH981627(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L3e2b1a2 20-NOV-2018 A73G C150T T195C A263G A750G A1438G T2352C T2483C A2706G G3277A A4769G C7028T A8701G A8860G A9377G T9540C A10398G A10819G T10873C G11719A G12406A C12705T T14212C C14766T G14905A G15301A A15326G T15721C T16172C A16183- T16189C 16193.1C C16223T C16320T T16519C >MH981628(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L2a1b1a 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C A263G A750G G769A G1018A A1438G T2416C A2706G C2789T A3505G C3594T A4104G A4769G T5090C C7028T T7175C C7256T C7274T G7521A A7771G G8206A A8701G A8860G A9221G T9540C T10115C G10143A A10398G T10873C G11719A G11914A T11944C A12693G C12705T G13590A C13650T A13803G A14566G C14766T G15301A A15326G C15735T T15784C A16182- A16183- C16184M T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C C16223T C16278T C16290T C16294T A16309G G16390A MH981629(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L4b2b1 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C A244G A263G C340T G709A A750G G769A G1018A A1438G A2220T A2706G G3918A A4206G A4769G A5128G G6260A C7028T G7805A G7897A T8104C G8292A A8343G A8701G A8860G T9540C A9855G T10265C A10398G T10873C G11719A T12438C T12609C C12705T A13470G C14766T G15301A A15326G A16051G C16114T T16189C C16223T A16293T T16311C A16316G C16355T T16362C A16399G T16519C >MH981630(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0d1b2b1b 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C T204Y G247A G719A A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T A1900G G2758A T2885C G3438A C3516A C3594T T3618C A3756G A4104G T4232C C4312T A4769G T5442C T6185C A6266G G6383A T6815C C7028T A7146G C7256T T7283C G7521A C8113A G8152A G8251A C8468T C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T T9111C A9347G T9540C G9755A A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C C10920T G11719A G11914A G12007A T12121C C12436T C12705T A12720G A13105G A13276G C13506T C13650T G13759A A13827G C14315T C14659T C14766T G15110A A15326G C15337T C15364T G15466A T15852C G15930A T15941C T16093C G16129A C16187T T16189C C16223T A16230G C16239T T16243C C16294T T16311C T16325C T16519C >MH981631(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0a2a1a2 20-NOV-2018 C64T A93G T152C A189G T236C G247A A263G A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T A1438G A2245G A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A C3594T A4104G C4312T T4586C T4598C A4769G G5147A G5231A T5442C G5460A C5603T A5711G T6185C G6257A C7028T A7146G C7256T A7424G G7521A C8428T A8460G C8468T A8566G C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C G9755A C9818T A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C C11143T A11172G G11176A A11641G G11719A G11914A G12007A C12705T A12720G A13105G A13276G C13506T C13650T T14182C T14308C A14755G C14766T C15136T A15326G G15431A G15617A T16093C C16148T T16172C C16187T C16188A T16189C C16223T A16230G T16311C C16320T T16519C >MH981632(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0d1b2b1b 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C G247A G719A A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T A1900G G2758A T2885C G3438A C3516A C3594T T3618C A3756G A4104G T4232C C4312T A4769G T5442C T6185C A6266G G6383A T6815C C7028T A7146G C7256T T7283C G7521A C8113A G8152A G8251A C8468T A8489G C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T T9111C A9347G T9540C G9755A A10042G A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C C10920T G11719A G11914A G12007A T12121C C12436T C12705T A12720G A13105G A13276G C13506T C13650T G13759A A13827G C14315T C14659T C14766T A15326G C15337T C15364T G15466A G15930A T15941C G16129A C16187T T16189C C16223T A16230G C16239T T16243C C16294T T16311C T16325C T16519C >MH981633(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0a1b1a1 20-NOV-2018 A93G A95C G185A A189G T236C G247A A263G A750G G769A T825A T961C G1018A C1048T A1438G A2245G A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A C3594T A4104G C4312T T4586C A4769G T5096C G5231A T5442C G5460A C5603T C5911T T6185C T6293C C7028T A7146G C7256T G7521A A8191G C8428T C8468T A8566G C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C G9755A C9818T A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C G11176A A11641G G11719A G11914A G12007A G12127A C12705T A12720G A13105G A13276G C13506T C13650T A14007G T14308C C14766T C15136T A15326G G15431A C15481T G16129A C16148T C16168T T16172C C16187T C16188G T16189C C16223T A16230G C16278T A16293G T16311C C16320T >MH981634(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0a2a2a 20-NOV-2018 C64T A93G T152C A189G T204C G207A T236C G247A A263G A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T A1438G A2245G A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A C3594T A4104G C4312T T4586C A4769G G5147A G5231A T5442C G5460A C5603T A5711G T6185C G6257A C7028T A7146G C7256T G7521A C8428T A8460G C8468T A8566G C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C A9545G G9554A G9755A C9818T A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C C11143T A11172G G11176A A11641G G11719A G11914A G12007A C12705T A12720G A13105G C13116T A13276G C13506T C13650T T14308C A14755G C14766T C15136T A15326G G15431A C16148T T16172C C16187T C16188G T16189C C16223T A16230G T16311C C16320T T16519C >MH981635(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L3e2b1a2 20-NOV-2018 A73G C150T T195C A263G A750G A1438G T2352C T2483C A2706G G3277A A4769G C7028T A8701G A8860G A9377G T9540C A10398G A10819G T10873C G11719A G12406A C12705T T14212C C14766T G14905A G15301A A15326G T15721C T16172C A16183- T16189C 16193.1C C16223T C16320T T16519C >MH981636(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L2a1b1a 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C C198T A263G A750G G769A G1018A A1438G T2416C A2706G C2789T C3594T A4104G A4769G T5090C C7028T T7175C C7256T C7274T G7521A A7771G G8206A A8701G A8860G A9221G T9540C T10115C G10143A A10398G T10873C G11719A G11914A T11944C A12693G C12705T G13590A C13650T A13803G A14566G C14766T G15301A A15326G C15735T T15784C A16182- A16183- C16184M T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C C16223T C16278T C16290T C16294T A16309G G16390A >MH981637(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0a2a2a 20-NOV-2018 C64T A93G T152C A189G T204C G207A T236C G247A A263G A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T A1438G A2245G A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A C3594T T3766Y A4104G C4312T T4586C A4769G G5147A G5231A T5442C G5460A C5603T A5711G T6185C G6257A C7028T A7146G C7256T G7521A G8020A C8428T A8460G C8468T A8566G C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C A9545G G9554A G9755A C9818T A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C C11143T A11172G G11176A A11641G G11719A G11914A G12007A C12705T A12720G A13105G C13116T A13276G C13506T C13650T T14308C A14755G C14766T C15136T A15326G G15431A C16148T T16172C C16187T C16188G T16189C C16223T A16230G T16311C C16320T T16519C >MH981638(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0d2a1 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C C198T G247A C597T A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A C3594T A3756G A3981G C4025T A4044G A4104G A4225G T4232C C4312T C4479T A4769G A5106G A5153G T5442C G5460A T6185C C6445T T6815C C7028T A7146G A7154G C7256T G7521A C8113A G8152A G8251A G8392A C8468T C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C G9755A A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C G11719A T11854C G11914A G12007A T12121C A12172G A12234G C12705T A12720G A12810G A13105G A13276G C13506T C13650T T14221C C14766T G15043A A15326G G15466A A15766G G15930A T15941C G16129A C16187T T16189C A16212G C16223T A16230G T16243C T16311C G16390A T16519C >MH981639(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L1c3a 20-NOV-2018 A73G C151T T152C C182T C186A A189C G247A A263G G316A T408A C494T A750G G769A T825A G1018A A1438G A2395M A2706G G2758A T2885C C3594T G3666A A4104G A4769G A5951G T6071C T6221A G6260A G6917A T7022C C7028T A7146G C7256T T7389C G7498A G7521A G7789A G8027A C8468T C8655T A8701G A8860G A9072G T9540C G9966A A10398G G10586A G10688A T10810C T10873C C11302T G11719A C12019T G12501A C12705T A12810G A13105G A13485G C13506T C13650T T13789C T14000A T14178C G14560A C14766T C14911T A15226G A15326G T15905C C15978T G16129A A16183- T16189C 16193.1C T16209C A16215G C16223T C16278T C16294T T16311C C16360T T16519C >MH981640(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L2a1a2a1a 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C A263G A750G G769A G1018A A1438G T2416C A2706G C2789T C3594T G3918A A4104G A4769G A5285G C7028T T7175C C7256T C7274T G7521A A7771G G8206A A8701G A8860G C9211T A9221G T9540C T10115C A10398G T10454C T10873C G11719A G11914A T11944C A12693G C12705T G13590A C13650T A13803G A14566G C14766T C15211T A15244G G15301A A15326G A15421G T15629C T15784C T16189C C16223T C16278T C16286T C16294T A16309G G16390A T16519C >MH981641(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L2a1a2a1a 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C A263G A750G G769A G1018A A1438G T2416C A2706G C2789T C3594T G3918A A4104G A4769G A5285G C7028T T7175C C7256T C7274T G7521A A7771G G8206A A8701G A8860G G9010A C9211T A9221G T9540C T10115C A10398G T10454C T10873C G11719A G11914A T11944C G12406A A12693G C12705T G13590A C13650T A13803G A14566G C14766T C15211T A15244G G15301A A15326G A15421G T15629C T15784C T16092C C16223T C16278T C16286T C16294T A16309G G16390A T16519C >MH981642(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L2a1b1a 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C A263G A750G G769A G1018A A1438G T2416C A2706G C2789T C3594T A4104G A4769G T5090C C7028T T7175C C7256T C7274T G7521A A7771G G8206A A8701G A8860G A9221G T9540C T10115C G10143A A10398G T10873C G11719A G11914A T11944C A12693G C12705T G13590A C13650T A13803G A14566G C14766T G15301A A15326G C15735T T15784C A16182- A16183- C16184M T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C C16223T C16278T C16290T C16294T A16309R G16390A MH981643(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup H 20-NOV-2018 A263G A750G A1438G A4769G A8860G A15326G T16311C T16519C

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    1. [DNA] mtDNA sequences from South Africa on the GenBank database (1 of 4)
    2. Ian Logan

    3. List A set of 87 mtDNA sequences has appeared on the GenBank database. They accompany the paper written in 2016: Prostate. 2016 Mar;76(4):349-58. 'Spectrum of mitochondrial genomic variation and associated clinical presentation of prostate cancer in South African men' McCrow JP, Petersen DC, et  al. A free download from: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4832339/ The sequences are all from South Africa and are mostly in Haplogroups L0, L1, L2 & L3. Overall there does not appear to be any significant mutations; and the sequencing appears to ignore most deletions and insertions. As usual I have added the sequences to my 'Checker' program to ensure accuracy of transcription. Ian www.ianlogan.co.uk ---------------------------- MH981600(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L2a1b1a 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C A263G A750G G769A G1018A A1438G T2416C A2706G C2789T C3594T A4104G A4769G T5090C C7028T T7175C C7256T C7274T G7521A A7771G G8206A A8701G A8860G A9221G T9540C T10115C G10143A A10398G T10873C G11719A G11914A T11944C A12693G C12705T G13590A C13650T A13803G A14566G C14766T G15301A A15326G C15735T T15784C C16167T A16182- A16183- C16184M T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C C16223T C16278T C16290T C16294T A16309G G16390A T16519C MH981601(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0a2a2a 20-NOV-2018 C64T A93G T152C A189G T204C G207A T236C G247A A263G A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T A1438G A2245G A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A C3594T A4104G C4312T T4586C A4769G C5118T G5147A G5231A T5442C G5460A C5603T A5711G T6185C G6257A C7028T A7146G C7256T G7521A C8428T A8460G C8468T A8566G C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9181G A9347G T9540C A9545G G9554A G9755A C9818T A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C C11143T A11172G G11176A A11641G G11719A G11914A G12007A C12705T A12720G A13105G C13116T A13276G C13506T C13650T T14308C A14755G C14766T C15136T A15326G G15431A G15928R C16148T T16172C C16187T C16188G T16189C C16223T A16230G T16311C C16320T T16519C MH981602(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0a1b1a1 20-NOV-2018 T89C A93G A95C G185A A189G T236C G247A A263G A750G G769A T825A T961C G1018A C1048T A1438G G2140A A2245G A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A C3594T A4104G C4312T T4586C A4769G T5096C G5231A T5442C G5460A C5603T C5911T T6185C C7028T A7146G C7256T G7521A A8191G C8428T C8468T A8566G C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C G9755A C9818T A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C G11176A A11641G G11719A G11914A G12007A G12127A C12705T A12720G A13105G A13276G C13506T C13650T A14007G T14308C C14766T C15136T A15326G G15431A G16129A C16148T C16168T T16172C C16187T C16188G T16189C C16223T A16230G C16278T A16293G T16311C C16320T MH981603(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0a2a2a 20-NOV-2018 C64T A93G T152C A189G T204C G207A T236C G247A A263G A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T A1438G A2245G A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A C3594T A4104G C4312T T4586C A4769G G5147A G5231A T5442C G5460A C5603T A5711G T6185C G6257A C7028T A7146G C7256T G7521A C8428T A8460G C8468T A8566G C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C A9545G G9554A G9755A C9818T T10007C A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C C11143T A11172G G11176A A11641G G11719A G11914A G12007A C12705T A12720G A13105G C13116T A13276G C13506T C13650T T14308C A14755G C14766T C15136T A15326G G15431A C16148T T16172C C16187T C16188G T16189C C16223T A16230G T16311C C16320T MH981604(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0d1c 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C G247A C456T G719A A750G G769A T825A T980C G1018A C1048T G2758A T2885C G3438A C3516A C3594T A3756G A4104G C4197T T4232C C4312T A4769G T5442C T6185C A6266G T6815C C7028T A7146G C7256T G7521A A7696G C7699T C8113A G8152A G8251A C8468T C8655T A8701G A8860G G8994A C9042T A9150G A9347G C9449T T9540C G9755A A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C A11167G T11437C G11719A G11914A G12007A T12121C T12235C C12705T A13105G C13129T A13276G A13473G C13506T C13650T G13759A C14766T C15315T A15326G G15466A G15930A T15941C A15951G C16187T T16189C C16223T A16230G C16234T T16243C T16249C T16311C T16519C MH981605(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L2a1b1a 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C A263G A750G G769A G1018A A1438G T2416C A2706G C2789T C3594T A4104G A4769G T5090C C7028T T7175C C7256T C7274T G7521A A7771G G8206A A8701G A8860G A9221G T9540C T10115C G10143A A10398G T10873C G11719A G11914A T11944C A12693G C12705T G13590A C13650T A13803G A14566G C14766T G15301A A15326G C15735T T15784C A16182- A16183- T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C C16223T C16278T C16290T C16294T A16309G G16390A MH981606(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L3d1a1a1 20-NOV-2018 A73G C150T T152C A263G A750G T921C A1438G G1503A A2706G A3579G G4048A A4203G A4769G G5147A G5471A T6680C C7028T A7424G C7648T T8618C A8701G A8860G T9540C A10398G T10640C T10873C T10915C G11719A G11887A C12705T A13105G A13681G T13886C C14284T C14766T G15301A A15326G T16124C C16223T G16319A MH981607(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0f1 20-NOV-2018 C151T T152C A189G G207A G247A A263G T482C A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T A1438G A2245G A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A C3594T T3644C C3699G A4104G C4312T T4586C A4769G C4964T T5108C T5442C T5492C C5603T A5984G T6185C C7028T A7146G T7148C C7256T A7364G G7521A A7543G C8468T C8655T A8701G A8860G T8911C C9042T A9347G T9540C T9581C C9620T C9818T G10310A A10398G A10580R G10589A C10664T G10688A C10692T A10694G T10810C T10873C T10915C A11084G A11314G A11641G G11719A G11914A G12007A C12346T C12705T A12720G A13105G G13145A A13276G A13470G C13506T C13650T A14091G C14109T T14178C G14364A C14620T C14766T C15136T A15236G A15326G G15431A T15852C G16129A C16169T T16172C C16174T A16183- T16189C 16193.1C C16223T A16230G C16278T T16311C C16327T C16354T T16368C T16519C MH981608(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L3b1a11 20-NOV-2018 A73G A263G A750G A1438G A2706G C3450T A4769G G5147A G5773A T6221C C7028T A8701G A8860G C9449T T9540C A10086G G10373A A10398G T10873C A11002G G11719A G11914A C12705T A13105G A13790G C13914A C14766T G15301A A15311G A15326G A15824G T15940Y T16124C C16223T C16278T T16311C T16362C T16519C MH981609(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L2b2a 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C C150T T152C C182T T195C C198T T204C A263G G709A A750G G769A G1018A A1438G G1442A C1706T C2332T A2358G T2416C A2706G C3594T A4104G A4158G T4370C A4767G A4769G C5027T C5331A T5814C T6614C A6710G C6713T A6806G C7028T C7256T G7521A T7624A C8080T G8206A G8387A T8503C A8701G G8790A A8860G A9221G A9350G T9540C T10115C A10398G T10873C G11719A T11944C G12236A C12705T A12948G G13590A C13650T A13966G A14059G C14407T C14766T G15110A G15217A G15301A A15326G C16114A G16129A G16213A C16223T C16278T C16354T G16390A T16519C MH981610(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L1c2a3a 20-NOV-2018 A73G C151T T152C C182T C186A A189C T195C C198T G247A A263G A297G G316A A385G T471C A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T T1420C A1438G T1822C A2395M A2706G G2758A T2885C C3594T G3666A A4104G A4769G A5951G T6071C G6150A T6253C G6723A C7028T A7055G A7076G A7146G C7256T G7337A T7389C G7521A T7741C G8027A C8468T C8655T A8701G A8784G A8860G T8877C A9072G T9540C T10321C A10398G G10586A G10688A A10792G C10793T T10810C T10873C A11329G A11654G G11719A C12049T C12705T A12810G A13105G A13149G C13506T C13650T T13789C T14000A A14127G T14178C G14560A C14766T G14861A C14911T C15016T A15326G T15784C T16172C C16187T T16189C C16223T A16265C C16278T C16286G C16294T T16311C C16360T T16519C C16527T MH981611(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0d1c 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C G247A C456T G719A A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T G2758A T2885C G3438A C3516A C3594T A3756G A4104G C4197T T4232C C4312T A4769G T5442C T6185C A6266G T6815C C7028T A7146G C7256T G7521A C8113A G8152A G8251A C8468T C8655T A8701G A8860G G8994A C9042T A9150G A9347G T9540C G9755A A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C A11167G T11437C G11719A G11914A G12007A T12121C T12235C C12705T A12720G A13105G C13129T A13276G A13473G C13506T C13650T G13759A C14766T C15315T A15326G G15466A G15930A T15941C A15951G C16187T T16189C C16223T A16230G C16234T T16243C T16249C T16311C T16519C MH981612(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L3e2b1a2 20-NOV-2018 A73G C150T T195C A263G A750G A1438G T2352C T2483C A2706G G3277A A4769G C7028T A8701G A8860G A9377G T9540C A10398G A10819G T10873C G11719A G12406A C12705T T14212C C14766T G14905A G15301A A15326G T15721C T16172C A16183- T16189C 16193.1C C16223T C16320T T16519C MH981613(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0a1b1a1 20-NOV-2018 A93G A95C G185A A189G T236C G247A A263G A750G G769A T825A T961C G1018A C1048T A1438G A2245G A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A C3594T A4104G C4312T T4586C A4769G T5096C G5231A T5442C G5460A C5603T C5911T T6185C C7028T A7146G C7256T G7521A A8191G C8428T C8468T A8566G C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T T9230C A9347G T9540C G9755A C9818T A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C G11176A A11641G G11719A G11914A G12007A G12127A C12705T A12720G A13105G A13276G C13506T C13650T A14007G T14308C C14766T C15136T A15326G G15431A G16129A C16148T C16168T T16172C C16187T C16188G T16189C C16223T A16230G C16278T A16293G T16311C C16320T MH981614(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0d1b2b1b 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C G247A G719A A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T G2758A T2885C G3438A C3510T C3516A T3578C C3594T T3618C A3756G A4104G T4232C C4312T A4769G T5442C G5563R T6185C A6266G G6383A T6815C G6917A C7028T A7146G C7256T T7283C G7521A C8113A G8152A G8251A A8440G C8468T C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T T9111C A9347G T9540C G9755A A10352G A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C C10920T G11719A G11914A G12007A T12121C C12436T C12705T A12720G A13105G A13276G C13506T C13650T G13759A C14315T C14659T C14766T A15326G C15337T G15466A G15930A T15941C G16129A C16187T T16189C C16223T A16230G C16239T T16243C C16294T T16311C T16519C MH981615(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L2a1b1a 20-NOV-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C A263G A750G G769A G1018A A1438G T2416C A2706G C2789T C3594T A4104G A4769G T5090C C7028T T7175C C7256T C7274T G7521A A7771G G8206A A8701G A8860G A9221G T9540C T10115C G10143A A10398G T10873C G11719A G11914A T11944C A12693G C12705T G13590A C13650T A13803G A14053G A14566G C14766T G15301A A15326G C15735T T15784C A16183- T16189C 16193.1C C16223T C16278T C16290T C16294T A16309G G16390A MH981616(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L1c1 20-NOV-2018 A73G C151T T152C C182T C186A A189G T195C C198T G247A A263G A297G G316A A750G G769A T825A G1018A A1438G A2394M A2395M A2706G G2758A T2885C C3594T G3666A A3796T A3843G A4104G T4314C A4769G G5417A T5628C A5951G T6071C C7028T A7055G A7146G C7256T T7389C G7521A T7609C G8027A C8468T C8655T A8701G A8860G A9072G T9540C T10321C G10586A G10688A T10810C T10873C G11719A G12007A G12127A C12705T A12810G A13105G A13485G T13500C C13506T C13650T C13692T T13789C T14000A A14007G A14148G A14161G T14178C G14305A T14311C G14476T G14560A C14766T C14911T G15172A A15326G T15970C G16129A T16172C C16173T C16188A T16189C C16223T C16256T C16278T A16293G C16294T T16311C C16360T T16368C T16519C MH981617(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup J2a1a1e 20-NOV-2018 A73G C150T T152C T195C A215G A263G C295T T319C T489C G513A A750G A1438G A2706G T4216C A4769G C7028T T7080C C7476T G7789A C8270T A8860G A10398G A10499G A11251G G11377A G11719A A12612G G13708A A13722G A14133G G14305A C14766T G15257A A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C G16145A A16183- T16189C 16193.1C T16231C C16261T MH981618(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L1c2a3a 20-NOV-2018 A73G T125G C151T T152C C182T C186A A189C T195C C198T G247A A263G A297G G316A A385G T471C A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T T1420C A1438G A2395N A2706G G2758A T2885C C3594T G3666A A4104G A4769G A5951G T6071C G6150A T6253C G6723A C7028T A7055G A7076G A7146G C7256T G7337A T7389C G7521A T7741C G8027A C8468T C8655T A8701G A8784G A8860G T8877C A9072G T9540C T10321C A10398G G10586A G10688A A10792G C10793T T10810C T10873C A11329G A11654G G11719A C12049T C12705T A12810G A13105G A13149G C13506T C13650T T13789C T14000A A14127G T14178C G14560A C14766T G14861A C14911T C15016T A15326G T15784C T16172C C16187T T16189C C16223T A16265C C16278T C16286G C16294T T16311C C16360T T16519C C16527T MH981619(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0a2a1a2 20-NOV-2018 C64T A93G T152C A189G T236C G247A A263G A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T A1438G A2245G A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A C3594T A4104G C4312T T4586C T4598C A4769G G5147A G5231A T5442C G5460A C5603T A5711G T6185C G6257A C7028T A7146G C7256T A7424G G7521A C8428T A8460G C8468T A8566G C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C G9755A C9818T A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C C11143T A11172G G11176A A11641G G11719A G11914A G12007A C12705T A12720G A13105G A13276G C13506T C13650T T14182C T14308C A14755G C14766T C15136T A15326G G15431A G15617A T16093C C16148T T16172C C16187T C16188A T16189C C16223T A16230G T16311C C16320T T16519C MH981620(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L3e1a1a 20-NOV-2018 A73G C150T G185A A189G A263G A750G A1438G T2352C A2706G G3438A A4769G T6221C C6587T C7028T C8650T A8701G A8860G T9540C A10398G A10819G T10873C G11719A C12705T A14152G T14212C C14766T G15301A A15326G T15670C T15942C C16185T C16223T T16311C C16327T T16519C MH981621(South Africa) Petersen Haplogroup L0a2a2a 20-NOV-2018 C64T A93G T152C A189G T204C G207A T236C G247A A263G A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T A1438G A2245G A2706G G2758A T2885C C3516A C3594T A4104G C4312T T4586C A4769G G5147A G5231A T5442C G5460A C5603T A5711G T6185C G6257A C7028T A7146G C7256T G7521A C8428T A8460G C8468T A8566G C8655T A8701G A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C A9545G G9554A G9755A C9818T A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C C11143T A11172G G11176A A11641G G11719A G11914A G12007A C12705T A12720G A13105G C13116T A13276G C13506T C13650T T14308C A14755G C14766T C15136T A15326G G15431A G15777R C16148T T16172C C16187T C16188G T16189C C16223T A16230G T16311C C16320T T16519C

    11/25/2018 02:18:28
    1. [DNA] Re: Ancestry Trees
    2. McDonald, J Douglas

    3. You can accomplish a very lot at Ancestry using your DNA without a tree. You just have to have the extreme patience to root your way through other people's trees using their exceedingly, and intentionally, cumbersome system. Even if you have a tree there, you still have to do this if you want full benefit. Doug McDonald -----Original Message----- From: Lindsey Britton via GENEALOGY-DNA <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> This discussion about Ancestry is making me have second thoughts about ordering.  How much can be accomplished at Ancestry DNA without a tree? 

    11/25/2018 12:31:55
    1. [DNA] Re: Linking DNA
    2. McDonald, J Douglas

    3. " Those who we thought were our close relatives are not our relatives, and those who we never imagined to be our relatives are our relatives." Odd. So far DNA has never even suggested that anyone on my main tree was incorrect. Its confirmed vast numbers of people I was quite sure of. I also have a tree with suspicious people on it. So far DNA has "definitively denied" anyone on it, and has only "definitively confirmed" one person, who died in 1368. It has confirmed that our supposition that a case of "which father" cannot be decided by DNA because they were indeed brothers. Doug McDonald -----Original Message----- From: Sam Sloan <samhsloan@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 10:19 AM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com; DNA-NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com; DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com; Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> Subject: [DNA] Re: Linking DNA The problem with all of this is most of the people who have spent years gathering the information that is in these Family Trees are dead now, and most of the few rest of us will be going there soon. I am 74. Do we want our information to die with us and be lost forever, or do we want to pass it on to those who in the future who might want it? I predict that perhaps 20-30 years in the future there will be just one family tree and the entire world population 7 billion people will be on it. Those of us doing DNA testing are finding out that our real family tree is completely different from what we imagined to be. ****** Those who we thought were our close relatives are not our relatives, and those who we never imagined to be our relatives are our relatives.********

    11/25/2018 12:28:24