My mother and I share 196.1cM on X at gedmatch, (23andme shows 182cM). On Thursday, October 15, 2015 5:57 PM, Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> wrote: How much do you share with your mother? -----Original Message----- From: Rita Ruff via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: GENEALOGY-DNA <GENEALOGY-DNA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 3:55 pm Subject: [DNA] X-dna: Son shares none with maternal grandmother Hi- I read the previous X Inheritance thread(very interesting) and decided to check the X match between my son and my mother at 23andme. It was very surprising to see they have no matching segment at all. At gedmatch, after lowering the threshold to 1cM-100snps, their largest matching segment on X was 3.2cM-288snps. Total X match 16.8cMs.  Does this seem unusual, and does that mean my son's X-matches are all from my dad's side? My son and I share 196.1cM on the X. Rita ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi- I read the previous X Inheritance thread(very interesting) and decided to check the X match between my son and my mother at 23andme. It was very surprising to see they have no matching segment at all. At gedmatch, after lowering the threshold to 1cM-100snps, their largest matching segment on X was 3.2cM-288snps. Total X match 16.8cMs.  Does this seem unusual, and does that mean my son's X-matches are all from my dad's side? My son and I share 196.1cM on the X. Rita

I am an E-V13, and then took the Big-Y. Based on about 30 other V13s worldwide, we now have 3 more levels under V13, and I'm in one subgroup with another man on our own SNP (with plenty of other SNPs awaiting analysis) In the BARTLETT Y-DNA project there are several others with matching STRs. I've recommended that they take the relatively cheap V13 SNP pack. I presume since our MRCA is 300 years ago, that they would also be V13 and very probably have the same downstream SNPs I do. We are going to find out as one is doing the pack. This SNP pack (coupled with STR matches with me) should let them jump to a terminal SNP at very low cost - we'll see... Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Oct 15, 2015, at 7:58 PM, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > I agree--comparisons are everything so I hesitate to encourage anyone to order Big-Y unless we know that we will have a good comparison. In the case of Britton Group 3, since we appear to have two distantly related branches, the ideal comparison would be one test for each branch. > > Lindsey > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Katie Rennie <katerennie4@gmail.com> > To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 1:42 pm > Subject: Re: [DNA] Advice Needed RE: Big-Y Comparisons for E-M35 > > > > Looking at the FTDNA group results, it looks like there's at least a few people who have taken the Big-Y. > > > https://www.familytreedna.com/public/E3b?iframe=ysnp > > > > I'd probably contact one of the admins to see what they think. > > > There's also a message board, though I haven't been there in a while and am unable to find a link at work. Maybe someone else can send it. My grandfather and my grandmother's father were also both E, (E-M84 and E-V13) so I'd be interested in the conclusion whether to test or not. My grandfather died last year so what FTDNA has is all that will ever be able to be tested. > > > This is jmho, I'll preface and say that my interactions with Big-Y results have been limited but from what I've seen in another project, you really need at least 2 people to test because the majority of the use is in the comparison. So if one of his other Britton E-M35's tested, that would be where the greatest use would lie. > > > Katie > > > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Britton Group 3 traces its ancestry to the island of Jersey c 1500 or before and belongs to Haplogroup E-M35. etc. One member has inquired about Big-Y. If he orders the test, how many good comparisons, of possible genealogical value, is he likely to have? I would appreciate any suggestions from experts on this Haplogroup. > > https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Britton?iframe=ycolorized > > Lindsey > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree--comparisons are everything so I hesitate to encourage anyone to order Big-Y unless we know that we will have a good comparison. In the case of Britton Group 3, since we appear to have two distantly related branches, the ideal comparison would be one test for each branch. Lindsey -----Original Message----- From: Katie Rennie <katerennie4@gmail.com> To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 1:42 pm Subject: Re: [DNA] Advice Needed RE: Big-Y Comparisons for E-M35 Looking at the FTDNA group results, it looks like there's at least a few people who have taken the Big-Y. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/E3b?iframe=ysnp I'd probably contact one of the admins to see what they think. There's also a message board, though I haven't been there in a while and am unable to find a link at work. Maybe someone else can send it. My grandfather and my grandmother's father were also both E, (E-M84 and E-V13) so I'd be interested in the conclusion whether to test or not. My grandfather died last year so what FTDNA has is all that will ever be able to be tested. This is jmho, I'll preface and say that my interactions with Big-Y results have been limited but from what I've seen in another project, you really need at least 2 people to test because the majority of the use is in the comparison. So if one of his other Britton E-M35's tested, that would be where the greatest use would lie. Katie On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: Britton Group 3 traces its ancestry to the island of Jersey c 1500 or before and belongs to Haplogroup E-M35. etc. One member has inquired about Big-Y. If he orders the test, how many good comparisons, of possible genealogical value, is he likely to have? I would appreciate any suggestions from experts on this Haplogroup. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Britton?iframe=ycolorized Lindsey ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One member of Britton group 3 is confirmed E-M183. Lindsey -----Original Message----- From: Administrator <fixdnaproject@shentel.net> To: Katie Rennie <katerennie4@gmail.com>; Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 2:39 pm Subject: Re: [DNA] Advice Needed RE: Big-Y Comparisons for E-M35 We currently have 60 BigY E-V13 members in our project whose purpose is to refine the sub V13 tree so if you decide to have your E-V13 grandfather tested for BigY let me know. -----Original Message----- From: Katie Rennie via Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 1:41 PM To: Lindsey Britton ; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DNA] Advice Needed RE: Big-Y Comparisons for E-M35 Looking at the FTDNA group results, it looks like there's at least a few people who have taken the Big-Y. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/E3b?iframe=ysnp I'd probably contact one of the admins to see what they think. There's also a message board, though I haven't been there in a while and am unable to find a link at work. Maybe someone else can send it. My grandfather and my grandmother's father were also both E, (E-M84 and E-V13) so I'd be interested in the conclusion whether to test or not. My grandfather died last year so what FTDNA has is all that will ever be able to be tested. This is jmho, I'll preface and say that my interactions with Big-Y results have been limited but from what I've seen in another project, you really need at least 2 people to test because the majority of the use is in the comparison. So if one of his other Britton E-M35's tested, that would be where the greatest use would lie. Katie On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Lindsey Britton via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Britton Group 3 traces its ancestry to the island of Jersey c 1500 or > before and belongs to Haplogroup E-M35. etc. One member has inquired > about > Big-Y. If he orders the test, how many good comparisons, of possible > genealogical value, is he likely to have? I would appreciate any > suggestions from experts on this Haplogroup. > > https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Britton?iframe=ycolorized > > Lindsey > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I share nothing on the X with my maternal grandmother. I have tested a first cousin, uncle and second cousin. All share at least some part of their X with each other. I share zero with any of them. I have inherited quite a bit of autosomal DNA from my maternal grandmother, including my entire chromosome 21 (which can be traced in its entirety to her 3rd great grandparents). The evidence suggests that my mother gave me her paternal X intact. On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Robert Paine via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > A mother-child will always share a full X-chromosome. The 196.1cM is the > size of the X-chromosome using Build 36 standard and the 182cM is using the > Build 37 Standard. > > RPaine > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rita Ruff via > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 4:05 PM > To: Wjhonson ; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DNA] X-dna: Son shares none with maternal grandmother > > My mother and I share 196.1cM on X at gedmatch, (23andme shows 182cM). > > > On Thursday, October 15, 2015 5:57 PM, Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> > wrote: > > > How much do you share with your mother? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rita Ruff via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > To: GENEALOGY-DNA <GENEALOGY-DNA@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 3:55 pm > Subject: [DNA] X-dna: Son shares none with maternal grandmother > > Hi- > I read the previous X Inheritance thread(very interesting) and decided to > check the X match between my son and my mother at 23andme. It was very > surprising to see they have no matching segment at all. At gedmatch, after > lowering the threshold to 1cM-100snps, their largest matching segment on X > was > 3.2cM-288snps. Total X match 16.8cMs. Does this seem unusual, and does > that > mean my son's X-matches are all from my dad's side? My son and I share > 196.1cM > on the X. > Rita > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, > please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Please see how you can confirm a collaborative online ancestry using X chromosome matching: http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:Relationship&action=calculate&person1_name=Turner-12974&person2_name=Roberts-7085 where the relationship between me and my 5th cousin twice removed (both of us are male) are an X chromosome match.  The footnote for each parent/child relationship back to our shared ancestral couple states:   "Maternal [or Paternal as the case may be] relationship is confirmed by a 49 cM X chromosome match from 2,904,827 to 32,262,167 between Peter Roberts GEDmatch F008867 and his male fifth cousin twice removed Anonymous Turner GEDmatch F8583." Any GEDmatch user may independently verify this. Our shared X-DNA ancestors are  William Batchelor Denmark Jr. (1743 - aft. 1827) http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Denmark-271 and Anna Moye (abt. 1740 - 1806) http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Moye-102. We descend from different daughters of this couple.  If one of us had descended from a son then we would know that our shared X-DNA segment was actually from Anna Moye (and not William). WikiTree needs more genetic genealogists to help improve its DNA features. Sincerely, Peter Peter J. Robertshttp://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Roberts-7085/5http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Roberts-7085/89#Xhttp://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Roberts-Family-Tree-7085

How much do you share with your mother? -----Original Message----- From: Rita Ruff via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: GENEALOGY-DNA <GENEALOGY-DNA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 3:55 pm Subject: [DNA] X-dna: Son shares none with maternal grandmother Hi- I read the previous X Inheritance thread(very interesting) and decided to check the X match between my son and my mother at 23andme. It was very surprising to see they have no matching segment at all. At gedmatch, after lowering the threshold to 1cM-100snps, their largest matching segment on X was 3.2cM-288snps. Total X match 16.8cMs. Does this seem unusual, and does that mean my son's X-matches are all from my dad's side? My son and I share 196.1cM on the X. Rita ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A mother-child will always share a full X-chromosome. The 196.1cM is the size of the X-chromosome using Build 36 standard and the 182cM is using the Build 37 Standard. RPaine -----Original Message----- From: Rita Ruff via Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 4:05 PM To: Wjhonson ; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DNA] X-dna: Son shares none with maternal grandmother My mother and I share 196.1cM on X at gedmatch, (23andme shows 182cM). On Thursday, October 15, 2015 5:57 PM, Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> wrote: How much do you share with your mother? -----Original Message----- From: Rita Ruff via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: GENEALOGY-DNA <GENEALOGY-DNA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 3:55 pm Subject: [DNA] X-dna: Son shares none with maternal grandmother Hi- I read the previous X Inheritance thread(very interesting) and decided to check the X match between my son and my mother at 23andme. It was very surprising to see they have no matching segment at all. At gedmatch, after lowering the threshold to 1cM-100snps, their largest matching segment on X was 3.2cM-288snps. Total X match 16.8cMs. Does this seem unusual, and does that mean my son's X-matches are all from my dad's side? My son and I share 196.1cM on the X. Rita ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You passed your father's X-chromosome to your son with no or minimal recombination. In my extended family project the X-was passed through the mother intact about 20 to 25% of the time. My g-granddaughter had one of her X-chromosomes pass intact through both her grandmother and her mother. (She shares a full X-match with her gg-grandmother. RPaine -----Original Message----- From: Rita Ruff via Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 3:51 PM To: GENEALOGY-DNA@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] X-dna: Son shares none with maternal grandmother Hi- I read the previous X Inheritance thread(very interesting) and decided to check the X match between my son and my mother at 23andme. It was very surprising to see they have no matching segment at all. At gedmatch, after lowering the threshold to 1cM-100snps, their largest matching segment on X was 3.2cM-288snps. Total X match 16.8cMs. Does this seem unusual, and does that mean my son's X-matches are all from my dad's side? My son and I share 196.1cM on the X. Rita ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For the Committee's Report Google - [Report of the Research Committee on Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings] The 1998 report of the Thomas Jefferson committee states "Although paternity cannot be established with absolute certainty, our evaluation of the best evidence available suggests the strong likelihood that Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings had a relationship over time that led to the birth of one, and perhaps all, of the known children of Sally Hemings." The committee concludes that convincing evidence does not exist for the hypothesis that another male Jefferson was the father of Sally Heming's children. The committee's research included eight of the 25 Jefferson descendants who warranted investigation as a possible father. The historical evidence for Thomas Jefferson's paternity of Easton Hemings and his known siblings overwhelmingly outweighs that for any other Jefferson. Lee On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Belinda Dettmann < belindadettmann@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > I thought the match did not necessarily prove Thomas Jefferson himself > was the father Eston Hemmings but it could equally well have been any > of Jefferson's cousins or nephews. -Belinda

I thought the match did not necessarily prove Thomas Jefferson himself was the father Eston Hemmings but it could equally well have been any of Jefferson's cousins or nephews. -Belinda -----Original Message----- From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sam Sloan via Sent: Thursday, 15 October 2015 3:16 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com; DNA-NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com; DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DNA] Have new DNA tests been one on the Thomas Jefferson Sally Hemings Controversy? In 1998 a DNA test was done on descendants of Eston Hemings son of Sally Hemings and on descendants of Field Jefferson uncle of Thomas Jefferson. The result was a match indicating that Thomas Jefferson was the father of at least one of the children of Thomas Jefferson. However, at that time only 8 haplogroups were tested as back then DNA testing was primitive as compared to today when 111 groups were tested. My question is whether these tests have been upgraded in the 17 years since the first tests were done. It seems strange that there have been no further reports on this subject. I wrote one of the early books on this subject.The Slave Children of Thomas Jefferson ISBN 1-881373-02-9 http://www.amazon.com/dp/1881373029 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson%E2%80%93Hemings_controversy Sam Sloan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We currently have 60 BigY E-V13 members in our project whose purpose is to refine the sub V13 tree so if you decide to have your E-V13 grandfather tested for BigY let me know. -----Original Message----- From: Katie Rennie via Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 1:41 PM To: Lindsey Britton ; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DNA] Advice Needed RE: Big-Y Comparisons for E-M35 Looking at the FTDNA group results, it looks like there's at least a few people who have taken the Big-Y. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/E3b?iframe=ysnp I'd probably contact one of the admins to see what they think. There's also a message board, though I haven't been there in a while and am unable to find a link at work. Maybe someone else can send it. My grandfather and my grandmother's father were also both E, (E-M84 and E-V13) so I'd be interested in the conclusion whether to test or not. My grandfather died last year so what FTDNA has is all that will ever be able to be tested. This is jmho, I'll preface and say that my interactions with Big-Y results have been limited but from what I've seen in another project, you really need at least 2 people to test because the majority of the use is in the comparison. So if one of his other Britton E-M35's tested, that would be where the greatest use would lie. Katie On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Lindsey Britton via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Britton Group 3 traces its ancestry to the island of Jersey c 1500 or > before and belongs to Haplogroup E-M35. etc. One member has inquired > about > Big-Y. If he orders the test, how many good comparisons, of possible > genealogical value, is he likely to have? I would appreciate any > suggestions from experts on this Haplogroup. > > https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Britton?iframe=ycolorized > > Lindsey > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looking at the FTDNA group results, it looks like there's at least a few people who have taken the Big-Y. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/E3b?iframe=ysnp I'd probably contact one of the admins to see what they think. There's also a message board, though I haven't been there in a while and am unable to find a link at work. Maybe someone else can send it. My grandfather and my grandmother's father were also both E, (E-M84 and E-V13) so I'd be interested in the conclusion whether to test or not. My grandfather died last year so what FTDNA has is all that will ever be able to be tested. This is jmho, I'll preface and say that my interactions with Big-Y results have been limited but from what I've seen in another project, you really need at least 2 people to test because the majority of the use is in the comparison. So if one of his other Britton E-M35's tested, that would be where the greatest use would lie. Katie On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Lindsey Britton via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Britton Group 3 traces its ancestry to the island of Jersey c 1500 or > before and belongs to Haplogroup E-M35. etc. One member has inquired about > Big-Y. If he orders the test, how many good comparisons, of possible > genealogical value, is he likely to have? I would appreciate any > suggestions from experts on this Haplogroup. > > https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Britton?iframe=ycolorized > > Lindsey > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Britton Group 3 traces its ancestry to the island of Jersey c 1500 or before and belongs to Haplogroup E-M35. etc. One member has inquired about Big-Y. If he orders the test, how many good comparisons, of possible genealogical value, is he likely to have? I would appreciate any suggestions from experts on this Haplogroup. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Britton?iframe=ycolorized Lindsey

Eston Hemmings -----Original Message----- From: Marleen Van Horne via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: Ann Turner <dnacousins@gmail.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 10:04 am Subject: Re: [DNA] Have new DNA tests been one on the Thomas Jefferson Sally Hemings Controversy? A discussion of Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings is not off topic for this list, as it encompasses both DNA and conventional genealogy. I have not read Sam's book, so I cannot comment on what conclusions he might have reached. After the original DNA test results were announced, the National Genealogical Society published a special issue of the NGS Quarterly devoted entirely to the Jefferson-Hemings controversy. Using conventional genealogy and going over the original source documents created by Thomas Jefferson during his lifetime, the conclusion they reached was that Thomas was the only Jefferson male present on the Monticello estate at the time of the conception of Eason Hemmings. The fact that the descendant of Thomas Woodson did not match the Jefferson yDNA does not mean Woodson was not Jefferson's son, it just means the line of descent was contaminated by stranger yDNA between the life of Woodson and the testing of the Woodson descendant. If you are interested in the conclusions in the NGS Quarterly, it is Volume 89, No. 3, September 2001. Marleen Van Horne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

List A few days ago I posted the first sequence from what has turned out to be a set of 42 mtDNA sequences. For some unknown reason the 'headers' of the 41 other sequences are different on the GenBank pages - and my usual searching method only managed to find the first sequence. So to repeat - the sequences accompany the paper (unpublished so far): Coia,V. 'Whole mtDNA sequencing in Alpine populations and the genetic history of the Neolithic Tyrolean Iceman' and would appear to come from a search that has been made to look for close relations to 'Otzi - the Iceman'. The sequences all belong to Haplogroups K1 & K2. As usual I have added the sequence to my 'Checker' program to ensure accuracy of transcription. Ian www.ianlogan.co.uk (PS Thanks to Bill Hurst and Gisele Horvat for supplying details of this set.) ------------- KT749775(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a-T195C 10-OCT-2015 A73G T195C A263G 315.1C C497T 523.1C 523.2A A750G T1189C A1438G T1452C A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C G16390A T16519C KT749776(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a5b 10-OCT-2015 A73G A93G A153G T204C A263G 315.1C T408A C497T 523.1C 523.2A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G T6407C C7028T A8860G G9055A T9428C T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16093C T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749777(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a2a 10-OCT-2015 A73G A263G 309.1C 315.1C C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G G5773A C7028T A8860G G9055A G9438A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11025C T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A G13708A C14167T C14766T T14767A T14798C A15326G G16145A T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749778(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K2a3 10-OCT-2015 A73G T146C T152C A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G T4561C A4769G C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C T9716C A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C13293T C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C A16233G T16311C T16519C KT749779(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a4a1 10-OCT-2015 A73G T195C A263G 315.1C C497T A750G T1189C A1438G C1628T A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G G6260A C7028T A8860G T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G T11485C G11719A C11840T A12308G G12372A T13740C C14167T C14766T T14798C C14950G A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749780(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1b2a3 10-OCT-2015 A73G T146C T195C A263G 315.1C 523.1C 523.2A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G G5913A C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A T12188C A12308G G12372A T12738G G12771A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749781(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a4a1 10-OCT-2015 A73G A263G 309.1C 315.1C C497T 523.1C 523.2A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A3547G A4769G G6260A C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G T11485C G11719A C11840T A12308G G12372A T13740C C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T15889C T16224C C16257T T16311C T16519C KT749782(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a4a1a 10-OCT-2015 A73G T131C A263G 309.1C 315.1C C497T 523.1C 523.2A 523.3C 523.4A 523.5C 523.6A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4295G A4769G G6260A C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G T11485C G11719A C11840T A12308G G12372A T13740C C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G G15884A T16224C T16311C T16362C T16519C KT749783(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K2b1 10-OCT-2015 A73G T146C A263G 309.1C 315.1C C522- A523- A750G A1438G A1811G A1842G C2217T A2706G A3480G C3696T A4769G G5231A C7028T A8860G G9055A C9413T T9698C T9716C A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A C11869A G11969A G12164A A12308G G12372A A14037G C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C C16256T T16311C T16519C KT749784(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a-T195C 10-OCT-2015 A73G T195C A263G 315.1C C497T A750G T1187C T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G C5936T C6357T C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C C14854T A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749785(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a12a 10-OCT-2015 A73G A189G A200G A263G 309.1C 315.1C C497T 523.1C 523.2A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G G5460A C7028T A7245G A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A11923G A12308G G12372A G13707A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749786(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1b2a1 10-OCT-2015 A73G T146C T195C A263G 309.1C 315.1C 523.1C 523.2A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G C3204T A3480G A4769G G5913A C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A G11914A A12308G G12372A T12738G G12771A G13759A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749787(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1b2a1 10-OCT-2015 A73G T146C T195C A263G 309.1C 315.1C 523.1C 523.2A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G C3204T A3480G A4769G G5913A C7028T T8119C A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A G11914A A12308G G12372A T12738G G12771A G13759A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749788(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1c1 10-OCT-2015 A73G T146C T152C A257G A263G 315.1C C498- 573.1C 573.2C A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G C7028T A8713G A8860G G9055A A9093G T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C G11377A A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C13080T C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749789(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1c1 10-OCT-2015 A73G T146C T152C A257G A263G 315.1C C498- 573.1C A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G C7028T A8713G A8860G G9055A A9093G T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C G11377A A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C13080T C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749790(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a4a1 10-OCT-2015 A73G A263G 309.1C 315.1C C497T 523.1C 523.2A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G T2630C A2706G A3480G A3547G A4769G G6260A C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G T11485C G11719A C11840T A12308G G12372A T13740C C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T15889C T16224C C16257T T16311C T16519C KT749791(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a1 10-OCT-2015 A73G C114T A263G 315.1C T393A C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G A5664G C7028T A8860G G8865A G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G A11101G T11299C A11467G G11719A G11914A A12308G G12372A A12634G T14110C C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16126C T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749792(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1b2a1 10-OCT-2015 A73G T146C T195C A263G 315.1C 523.1C 523.2A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G C3204T A3480G A4769G C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A T12738G G12771A G13759A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749793(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K2a9 10-OCT-2015 A73G T146C A263G C296T 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G A1811G A2706G A3348G A3480G T4561C A4769G T5081C T5130C C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C T9716C A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749794(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a-T195C 10-OCT-2015 A73G T195C A263G 315.1C C497T 523.1C 523.2A C722T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G T3398C A3480G A4769G C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A A12712G C14167T G14249A C14766T T14798C A15326G C15625A T16093C T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749795(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K2a9 10-OCT-2015 A73G T146C A263G C296T 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G A1811G A2706G A3348G A3480G T4561C A4769G T5081C T5130C C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C T9716C A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749796(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a-T195C 10-OCT-2015 A73G T195C A263G 315.1C C497T A750G T1187C T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G G6182A C6357T C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749797(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a24a 10-OCT-2015 A73G C150T T195C A263G 309.1C 315.1C C497T C522- A523- A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G T5964C C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G C15625A A15791G G16145A T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749798(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a24a 10-OCT-2015 A73G C150T T195C A263G 309.1C 315.1C C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G T5964C C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G C15625A A15791G G16145A T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749799(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K2a6 10-OCT-2015 A73G T146C T152C A263G 315.1C G709A A750G A1438G C1764Y A1811G A2706G A3480G T4561C A4769G C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C T9716C A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T G14305A C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749800(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a4 10-OCT-2015 A73G T152C A263G 315.1C C497T 523.1C 523.2A 523.3C 523.4A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G T4313C A4769G C7028T A8860G G9055A G9064A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G T11485C G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749801(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1c1 10-OCT-2015 A73G T146C T152C A263G 315.1C A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G C7028T A8860G G9055A A9093G T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C G11377A A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G G15884A T16224C T16311C G16474C T16519C KT749802(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a12a 10-OCT-2015 A73G G185A A189G A200G A234G A263G 309.1C 315.1C C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G G5460A C7028T A7245G A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A11923G A12308G G12372A A13105G G13707A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749803(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a-T195C 10-OCT-2015 A73G T195C A263G 315.1C C497T 523.1C 523.2A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G G6570T C7028T T7759C A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A T13143C C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16093C G16153A T16224C G16274A T16311C T16519C KT749804(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a12a 10-OCT-2015 A73G G185A A189G A200G A263G 309.1C 315.1C C497T 523.1C 523.2A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G A5042G G5460A C7028T A7245G A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A11923G A12308G G12372A G13707A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749805(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a3a1 10-OCT-2015 A73G A263G 315.1C C497T 523.1C 523.2A A750G T1189C A1438G C1764T A1811G A2706G T3398C A3480G A4769G C7028T A7559G A8440G A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A A13117G C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16093C C16167T T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749806(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a1b2a1a 10-OCT-2015 A73G T152C T195C A263G 315.1C C497T A750G C770T T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G T3777C A4769G C7028T T7278C A7729G A8860G G9055A T9698C T9800C A10398G A10550G A11053G T11299C A11467G G11719A G11914A A12308G G12372A T13326C C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G A15758G A15924G T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749807(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a19 10-OCT-2015 A73G A263G 315.1C C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G A5811G C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G T12338C G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749808(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1c2 10-OCT-2015 A73G T146C T152C A263G 315.1C C498- A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G C7028T A8860G A9006G G9055A A9437G T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A A14002G G14040A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C C16320T T16519C KT749809(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1e1 10-OCT-2015 A73G C151T T152C A263G 309.1C 315.1C 523.1C 523.2A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G T1819C A2706G A3480G A4769G T6413C C7028T G8251A A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G C10478T A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A A12810G C14142G C14167T C14766T T14798C A15244G A15326G T16093C T16189A T16224C G16274A T16311C T16362C T16519C KT749810(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K2b1b 10-OCT-2015 A73G T146C T195C A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G A1811G C2217T A2706G A3480G A4769G G5054A G5231A A6002G C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C T9716C A10550G G11016A T11299C A11467G G11719A C11869A A12308G G12372A G12501A A12950G A14037G C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G G16129A T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749811(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a4 10-OCT-2015 A73G T152C A263G 315.1C C497T 523.1C 523.2A 523.3C 523.4A A750G T1189C A1438G T1607C A1811G A2706G A3480G T4313C A4769G C7028T A8860G G9055A G9064A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G T11485C G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749812(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a4 10-OCT-2015 A73G T152C A263G 315.1C C497T 523.1C 523.2A 523.3C 523.4A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G T4313C A4769G C7028T A8860G G9055A G9064A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G T11485C G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749813(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a-T195C 10-OCT-2015 A73G T195C A263G 315.1C C497T A750G T1187C T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G C6357T C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C C14854T A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749814(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a4b 10-OCT-2015 A73G T195C A263G C280G C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G G5231A C6569T C7028T A7394G C7648T C8029T A8860G G9055A A9448G C9569T T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G T11485C G11719A A12308G G12372A A12693G C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C A16247G T16311C T16519C KT749815(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K1a-T195C 10-OCT-2015 A73G T195C A263G C497T A750G T1187C T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G G6182A C6357T C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C KT749816(Italy) Coia Haplogroup K2a9 10-OCT-2015 A73G T146C A263G C296T A750G A1438G A1811G A2706G A3348G A3480G T4561C A4769G T5081C T5130C C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C T9716C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C

Actually there is 1 other caveat that hasn't been mentioned (at least up to the sending of this digest).  The criteria for female to females is much much more restrictive than ordinary autosomal DNA.  IOW I have many 10 cM matches to females on my X at the same place; and yet they don't match each other.  I think Anne T said the limit for females (at least at 23) was 12 cM (instead of the usual 7 cM); and I think the # of SNPs was also more restrictive.  So I think the strict answer to your question is probably yes.  But if you had said 11.9 cM, the answer might have been probably not. John L WJH wrote From: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> Subject: Re: [DNA] X-inheritence To: paul.rakow@cantab.net Cc: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <15067e1ef32-64c4-8922@webprd-a69.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 So if a father matches on the X to some cousin for say 20cms, the daughter should match *exactly* the same to that cousin Is that correct?

> > Hi Sam, > > I created the Hemings/Jefferson atDNA Project and took over both surname > projects at FTDNA after discovering that my brother-in-law is a direct > descendant. (Shannon Christmas is my co-admin.) I asked a descendant to > test and I now have the Jefferson Y-DNA haplotype out to 111 markers. This > is the only one of which I am aware. We are continuing work on the subject > using atDNA, but it is slow going, mostly because of my busy schedule. > Marleen, multiple different lines of descent from Thomas Woodman were > tested and none matched the Jefferson Y-DNA haplotype, so he cannot be > the son of Thomas Jefferson. > CeCe > > > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 09:59:51 -0700 > From: Marleen Van Horne <msvnhrn@jps.net> > Subject: Re: [DNA] Have new DNA tests been one on the Thomas Jefferson > > > ...snip > > The fact that the descendant of Thomas Woodson did not match the > Jefferson yDNA does not mean Woodson was not Jefferson's son, it just > means the line of descent was contaminated by stranger yDNA between the > life of Woodson and the testing of the Woodson descendant. > > ...snip > > Marleen Van Horne > > > >

Wow one interesting thing from kitty's blog http://blog.kittycooper.com/2014/01/what-does-shared-x-dna-really-mean/ is that you can share a 14cm match from over 300 years ago on the X -----Original Message----- From: Teddi Montes via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: paul.rakow <paul.rakow@cantab.net>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 14, 2015 2:08 pm Subject: Re: [DNA] X-inheritence So when looking at the X-any way to determine WHOSE X it might be???? Its the one from mom or the one from dad ?? In a male or in a female...very confusing. Teddi On Oct 14, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Paul Rakow via wrote: > > Will, > > For all practical purposes, the X a woman inherits from > her father will be intact, while the X from her mother might > be recombined. > > Fine print: there is a little bit near one end where the > X and Y chromosomes are similar, and it is possible for DNA to > cross over. But we don't normally worry about that. > > Paul Rakow > > On Wed, October 14, 2015 20:23, Wjhonson wrote: >> I understand this just now. >> >> >> Does this work the same for females and their fathers? >> I mean do the X and Y recombine into a new X >> Or do females inherit their X strictly intact from their fathers >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paul Rakow via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> >> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wed, Oct 14, 2015 12:16 pm >> Subject: Re: [DNA] X-inheritence >> >> >> >> W, >> >> >> Your mother, being a woman, has two X chromosomes, you (male) >> have just one. All of your X chromosome will match your mother, but >> quite >> possibly, parts of it will match her on one of the Xs, and parts on >> the >> other. But any place on your X chromosome only matches to one of >> your >> mother's two X chromosomes. >> >> The match between your mother and her cousin must be on >> >> >> the X chromosome that you don't match, at that region. >> >> I don't think >> you can be sure that you have an intact chromosome from your mother >> - one >> end of your X chromosome might match to the X chromosome your mother >> inherited from her mother, and the other end might match to the X >> chromosome your mother inherited from her father, and you would still > show a >> perfect match to your mother over the whole length of your X >> chromosome. >> >> Paul >> Rakow >> >> >> Wjhonson wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >>> That doesnt change that her X came to me >>> >> intact. >>> >>> >>> So her X matches, should match me in the exact same >>> >> way. >>> >> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Karla Huebner >>> >> <calypsospots@gmail.com> >> >>> To: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com>; genealogy-dna >>> >>> >> <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> >> >>> Sent: Wed, Oct 14, 2015 10:08 am >>> Subject: Re: >>> >> [DNA] X-inheritence >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Do you know for a fact that there was no >>> >> recombination? Your mother got >>> one X from her mother, one from her father. >> Chances are your X has some of >> >>> each unless you can show otherwise. >>> >>> >>> >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Wjhonson via >> >>> >> <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> >> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> My mother and her female first >>> >> cousin share 52 cms on the X >>> >>> >>> My mother passed to me (a male) her entire >>> >> X intact >> >>> >>> >>> Should not I also share exactly 52cms on the X with this same >>> >> female >>> first cousin? >>> >>> If not, why not? >>> >>> >>> >>> Will >>> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message