If you are still interest in how conclusive the tests have been may I suggest you get and read "The Jefferson-Hemings Controversy: Report of the Scholars Commission" edited bu Robert F. Turner. To use the punch line from the book "After a careful review of all of the evidence, the commission agrees unanimously that the allegation is by nomeans proven; and we find it regrettable that public confusion about the 1998 DNA testing and other evidence has misled many people." If you have a strong belief in the NGSQ issue about this topic please be sure and read pages 385-389 of the book I listed above as it addresses the comments provided on the subject. On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Sam Sloan via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Tomas Jefferson's oldest surviving daughter Martha had 13 children and his > next surviving daughter Maria also called Polly had two children before her > early death probably from breast cancer. > > When I studied this subject as I was writing my book "The Slave Children of > Thomas Jefferson" I found more than one thousand descendants of Martha and > Maria Jefferson. One of these was Professor George Shackleford, a professor > of history of Virginia Polytechnic University who often wrote articles > "defending" Thomas Jefferson. He is probably no longer with us as he was > already elderly when I wrote the book in 1993 but he may have descendants. > > Similarly Tom Woodson has more than one thousand descendants at least one > of whom has written a book about this. > > However, there is only one male line descendant of Sally Hemings that we > know about. That is the grandson of Eston Hemings. > > The most interesting person to test would be Edward Graham Jefferson. He > was born in 1921. His father was Edward Hemmings Jefferson (with two mms) > and his grandfather was Beverley Jefferson the presumed son of Sally > Hemings. Edward Graham Jefferson had a Ph.D. in chemistry and was the > Chairman of DuPont Chemical Corp. He had two sons, born in England. He is > dead now but perhaps his sons can be located. He was asked to take a DNA > test while he was alive but he refused. He said that all his life he had > been bothered by people asking if he was a descendant of Thomas Jefferson > and Sally Hemings and he was not going to respond to these inquiries or > participate in any way. However, now that he is gone perhaps his sons or > his grandchildren will agree. > > Sam Sloan > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:12 AM, 'Patty' searchangelpatty@gmail.com > [DNAAdoption] <DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > > You might want to consult with Cece on that > > > > > > > > > > > http://blog.23andme.com/23andme-customer-stories/dna-tests-uncover-african-ancestry-and-surprising-connection-to-thomas-jefferson/ > > > > > > > > As a result, I am spearheading an autosomal DNA project on the > descendants > > of Sally Hemings. Although it is now generally recognized that Thomas > > Jefferson fathered all of Sally Hemings’ children, it has been impossible > > to determine with certainty. The introduction of autosomal DNA testing > has > > changed this. Through autosomal DNA testing of specific individuals, I > hope > > to be able to demonstrate that the descendants of Sally Hemings share > > blocks of DNA with Jefferson’s “legitimate” descendants. If it is not > > possible to procure DNA from any of these known descendants, I will seek > > DNA from descendants of individuals one step further back in Thomas > > Jefferson’s pedigree in an attempt to show that Sally’s descendants > possess > > DNA from Jefferson’s ancestral lines. Since autosomal DNA undergoes > random > > recombination with each successive generation, it will be necessary to > test > > the oldest living descendants of these lines. DNA is the perfect tool for > > this because it does not harbor any prejudice or predetermined notions. > > Anyone who fits these parameters should contact me at > > yourgeneticgenealogist@gmail.com.] > > > > > > > > *From:* DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com] > > *Sent:* Thursday, October 15, 2015 12:16 AM > > *To:* genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com; DNA-NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com; > > DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com > > *Subject:* [DNAAdoption] Have new DNA tests been one on the Thomas > > Jefferson Sally Hemings Controversy? > > > > > > > > > > > > In 1998 a DNA test was done on descendants of Eston Hemings son of Sally > > Hemings and on descendants of Field Jefferson uncle of Thomas Jefferson. > > > > The result was a match indicating that Thomas Jefferson was the father of > > at least one of the children of Thomas Jefferson. > > > > However, at that time only 8 haplogroups were tested as back then DNA > > testing was primitive as compared to today when 111 groups were tested. > > > > My question is whether these tests have been upgraded in the 17 years > > since the first tests were done. It seems strange that there have been no > > further reports on this subject. > > > > I wrote one of the early books on this subject.The Slave Children of > > Thomas Jefferson ISBN 1-881373-02-9 > > > > http://www.amazon.com/dp/1881373029 > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson%E2%80%93Hemings_controversy > > > > Sam Sloan > > > > __._,_.___ > > ------------------------------ > > Posted by: "Patty" <searchangelpatty@gmail.com> > > ------------------------------ > > Reply via web post > > < > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/conversations/messages/57583;_ylc=X3oDMTJyMzZpZTkwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRtc2dJZAM1NzU4MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTU-?act=reply&messageNum=57583 > > > > • Reply to sender > > < > searchangelpatty@gmail.com?subject=RE%3A%20%5BDNAAdoption%5D%20Have%20new%20DNA%20tests%20been%20one%20on%20the%20Thomas%20Jefferson%20Sally%20Hemings%20Controversy%3F > > > > • Reply to group > > < > DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE%3A%20%5BDNAAdoption%5D%20Have%20new%20DNA%20tests%20been%20one%20on%20the%20Thomas%20Jefferson%20Sally%20Hemings%20Controversy%3F > > > > • Start a New Topic > > < > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMnYydWE4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTU- > > > > • Messages in this topic > > < > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/conversations/topics/57453;_ylc=X3oDMTM3ZHZyN2UyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRtc2dJZAM1NzU4MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTUEdHBjSWQDNTc0NTM- > > > > (5) > > Visit Your Group > > < > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmNW9rMDM3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTU- > > > > > > - New Members > > < > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJnaG5mNG1jBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxNDQ1MTY3NTU1 > > > > 12 > > > > [image: Yahoo! 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This happens every time. Every time somebody posts somebody posts something about Tommy and Sally this same group of previously unknown self-appointed "prominent scholars" comes out and says this is all nonsense. They are usually led by Hebert Barger who has also corresponded with me personally and has published books about this. Madison Hemings was interviewed in 1873 and his interview was published by the Pike County Republican in Waverly, Ohio. In the interview he stated that Thomas Jefferson was his father and Sally Hemings was his mother. He had been born in 1805 and had lived in Montecello until after the death of Thomas Jefferson in 1826. He was provided for in the will of Thomas Jefferson. He was survived only by daughters as he had no sons. I am surprised that this person had not been contacted earlier as we have been searching for descendants of any of the four surviving children of Sally Hemings, Beverley, Harriet, Madison and Eston. It is important that this man be DNA tested and the results publicly posted in a place such as gedmatch where we can all see the results. Otherwise, the objections of Herbert Barger and others who are always attacking and disparaging this story will be put to rest. On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Douglas Burnett <dougb81042@gmail.com> wrote: > If you are still interest in how conclusive the tests have been may I > suggest you get and read "The Jefferson-Hemings Controversy: Report of the > Scholars Commission" edited bu Robert F. Turner. > To use the punch line from the book "After a careful review of all of the > evidence, the commission agrees unanimously that the allegation is by > nomeans proven; and we find it regrettable that public confusion about the > 1998 DNA testing and other evidence has misled many people." > If you have a strong belief in the NGSQ issue about this topic please be > sure and read pages 385-389 of the book I listed above as it addresses the > comments provided on the subject. > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Sam Sloan via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > wrote: > >> Tomas Jefferson's oldest surviving daughter Martha had 13 children and his >> next surviving daughter Maria also called Polly had two children before >> her >> early death probably from breast cancer. >> >> When I studied this subject as I was writing my book "The Slave Children >> of >> Thomas Jefferson" I found more than one thousand descendants of Martha and >> Maria Jefferson. One of these was Professor George Shackleford, a >> professor >> of history of Virginia Polytechnic University who often wrote articles >> "defending" Thomas Jefferson. He is probably no longer with us as he was >> already elderly when I wrote the book in 1993 but he may have descendants. >> >> Similarly Tom Woodson has more than one thousand descendants at least one >> of whom has written a book about this. >> >> However, there is only one male line descendant of Sally Hemings that we >> know about. That is the grandson of Eston Hemings. >> >> The most interesting person to test would be Edward Graham Jefferson. He >> was born in 1921. His father was Edward Hemmings Jefferson (with two mms) >> and his grandfather was Beverley Jefferson the presumed son of Sally >> Hemings. Edward Graham Jefferson had a Ph.D. in chemistry and was the >> Chairman of DuPont Chemical Corp. He had two sons, born in England. He is >> dead now but perhaps his sons can be located. He was asked to take a DNA >> test while he was alive but he refused. He said that all his life he had >> been bothered by people asking if he was a descendant of Thomas Jefferson >> and Sally Hemings and he was not going to respond to these inquiries or >> participate in any way. However, now that he is gone perhaps his sons or >> his grandchildren will agree. >> >> Sam Sloan >> >> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:12 AM, 'Patty' searchangelpatty@gmail.com >> [DNAAdoption] <DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > You might want to consult with Cece on that >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> http://blog.23andme.com/23andme-customer-stories/dna-tests-uncover-african-ancestry-and-surprising-connection-to-thomas-jefferson/ >> > >> > >> > >> > As a result, I am spearheading an autosomal DNA project on the >> descendants >> > of Sally Hemings. Although it is now generally recognized that Thomas >> > Jefferson fathered all of Sally Hemings’ children, it has been >> impossible >> > to determine with certainty. The introduction of autosomal DNA testing >> has >> > changed this. Through autosomal DNA testing of specific individuals, I >> hope >> > to be able to demonstrate that the descendants of Sally Hemings share >> > blocks of DNA with Jefferson’s “legitimate” descendants. If it is not >> > possible to procure DNA from any of these known descendants, I will seek >> > DNA from descendants of individuals one step further back in Thomas >> > Jefferson’s pedigree in an attempt to show that Sally’s descendants >> possess >> > DNA from Jefferson’s ancestral lines. Since autosomal DNA undergoes >> random >> > recombination with each successive generation, it will be necessary to >> test >> > the oldest living descendants of these lines. DNA is the perfect tool >> for >> > this because it does not harbor any prejudice or predetermined notions. >> > Anyone who fits these parameters should contact me at >> > yourgeneticgenealogist@gmail.com.] >> > >> > >> > >> > *From:* DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com >> ] >> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 15, 2015 12:16 AM >> > *To:* genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com; DNA-NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com; >> > DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com >> > *Subject:* [DNAAdoption] Have new DNA tests been one on the Thomas >> > Jefferson Sally Hemings Controversy? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > In 1998 a DNA test was done on descendants of Eston Hemings son of Sally >> > Hemings and on descendants of Field Jefferson uncle of Thomas Jefferson. >> > >> > The result was a match indicating that Thomas Jefferson was the father >> of >> > at least one of the children of Thomas Jefferson. >> > >> > However, at that time only 8 haplogroups were tested as back then DNA >> > testing was primitive as compared to today when 111 groups were tested. >> > >> > My question is whether these tests have been upgraded in the 17 years >> > since the first tests were done. It seems strange that there have been >> no >> > further reports on this subject. >> > >> > I wrote one of the early books on this subject.The Slave Children of >> > Thomas Jefferson ISBN 1-881373-02-9 >> > >> > http://www.amazon.com/dp/1881373029 >> > >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson%E2%80%93Hemings_controversy >> > >> > Sam Sloan >> > >> > __._,_.___ >> > ------------------------------ >> > Posted by: "Patty" <searchangelpatty@gmail.com> >> > ------------------------------ >> > Reply via web post >> > < >> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/conversations/messages/57583;_ylc=X3oDMTJyMzZpZTkwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRtc2dJZAM1NzU4MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTU-?act=reply&messageNum=57583 >> > >> > • Reply to sender >> > < >> searchangelpatty@gmail.com?subject=RE%3A%20%5BDNAAdoption%5D%20Have%20new%20DNA%20tests%20been%20one%20on%20the%20Thomas%20Jefferson%20Sally%20Hemings%20Controversy%3F >> > >> > • Reply to group >> > < >> DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE%3A%20%5BDNAAdoption%5D%20Have%20new%20DNA%20tests%20been%20one%20on%20the%20Thomas%20Jefferson%20Sally%20Hemings%20Controversy%3F >> > >> > • Start a New Topic >> > < >> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMnYydWE4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTU- >> > >> > • Messages in this topic >> > < >> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/conversations/topics/57453;_ylc=X3oDMTM3ZHZyN2UyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRtc2dJZAM1NzU4MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTUEdHBjSWQDNTc0NTM- >> > >> > (5) >> > Visit Your Group >> > < >> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmNW9rMDM3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTU- >> > >> > >> > - New Members >> > < >> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJnaG5mNG1jBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxNDQ1MTY3NTU1 >> > >> > 12 >> > >> > [image: Yahoo! 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List And a further 27 sequences. Sequences from Haplogroups: A, H, HV, I, L, M, N, R, V, W As usual the sequences have been added to my 'Checker' program to ensure accuracy of transcription. Ian www.ianlogan.co.uk ----------------------------- KJ801457(cancer-BMF2-1/3) Lang Haplogroup H28a 12-OCT-2015 T72C C186A A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G C3414T A4769G T8715C A8860G A11038- C11191T A15326G T16092C T16311C T16519C KJ801458(cancer-BMF2-1/4) Lang Haplogroup H28a 12-OCT-2015 T72C C186A A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G C3414T A4769G T8715C A8860G A11038- C11191T A15326G T16092C T16311C T16519C KJ801459(cancer-BMF2-1/5) Lang Haplogroup H28a 12-OCT-2015 T72C C186A A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G C3414T A4769G T8715C A8860G A11038- C11191T A15326G T16092C T16311C T16519C KJ801460(cancer-BMF4-1/1) Lang Haplogroup V10b 12-OCT-2015 T72C A200G A240G A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G A2706G A2755G 3571.1C G4580A A4769G C5687Y C5699Y A5705M A5711W A5715M C5720Y C7028T A8860G A9254G A9368G A15326G C15904T T16298C C16465T T16519C KJ801461(cancer-BMF4-1/2) Lang Haplogroup V10b 12-OCT-2015 T72C A200G A240G A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G A2706G A2755G 3571.1C G4580A A4769G C7028T A8860G A9254G A9368G A15326G C15904T T16298C C16465T T16519C KJ801462(cancer-BHD7-2) Lang Haplogroup HV16 12-OCT-2015 A263G 309.1C 315.1C A472- C473- T474- A475- C476- T477- A478- A479- T480- C481- T482- A750G A1438G A2706G A4769G A5581G G5595R C7028T A8860G A12492T A15326G C16239T T16311C KJ801463(cancer-BHD7-1) Lang Haplogroup HV16 12-OCT-2015 A263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C A750G A1438G A2706G A4769G A5581G C7028T A8860G A12492T A15326G C16239T T16311C KJ801464(Cancer-chRCC5) Lang Haplogroup R0a1a 12-OCT-2015 T58C C64T T146C A263G 270.1T 309.1C 315.1C A750G A827G A1438G T2442C A2706G T3847C G4659A A4769G C7028T G8292A A8860G C11761T C13188T C14766T A15326G T16126C C16355T T16362C KJ801465(cancer-BHD5-1) Lang Haplogroup A2 12-OCT-2015 C64T A73G T146C A153G A200G A235G A263G 315.1C C522- A523- A663G A750G A1438G A1736G A2706G T4248C A4769G A4824G C7028T G8027A C8794T A8860G G10310A G11719A G12007A C14766T A15326G T16093C C16111T T16136C C16223T C16290T T16311C G16319A T16362C KJ801466(cancer-BHD5-3) Lang Haplogroup A2 12-OCT-2015 C64T A73G T146C A153G A200G A235G A263G 315.1C C522- A523- A663G A750G A1438G A1736G A2706G T4248C A4769G A4824G C7028T G8027A C8794T A8860G G10310A G11719A G12007A C14766T A15326G T16093C C16111T T16136C C16223T C16290T T16311C G16319A T16362C KJ801467(cancer-BHD5-3) Lang Haplogroup A2 12-OCT-2015 C64T A73G T146C A153G A200G A235G A263G 315.1C C522- A523- A663G A750G A1438G A1736G A2706G T4248C A4769G A4824G C7028T G8027A C8794T A8860G G10310A G11719A G12007A C14766T A15326G T16093C C16111T T16136C C16223T C16290T T16311C G16319A T16362C KJ801468(cancer-chRCC1-2) Lang Haplogroup A2 12-OCT-2015 C64T A73G T146C A153G A235G A263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C C522- A523- A663G A750G A1438G A1736G A2706G T4248C A4769G A4824G T6253C C7028T G8027A C8794T A8860G G11719A G12007A C12705T C14766T T15229C G15314A A15326G C16111T G16129A C16223T C16290T G16319A T16362C KJ801469(cancer-chRCC1-1) Lang Haplogroup A2 12-OCT-2015 C64T A73G T146C A153G A235G A263G 309.1C C311Y 315.1C 315.2C C522- A523- A663G A750G A1438G A1736G A2706G T4248C A4769G A4824G T6253C C7028T G8027A C8794T A8860G G11719A G12007A C12705T C14766T T15229C G15314A A15326G C16111T G16129A C16223T C16290T G16319A T16362C KJ801470(cancer-BMF7-1/1) Lang Haplogroup N1b1a5 12-OCT-2015 G67R A73G G143A T152C A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G G1598A C1703T G1719A C2639T A2706G C3921A A4769G C4960T T4967C G5471A C7028T G8251A C8472T A8836G A8860G C9335T T10238C 10952.1C A11362G G11719A G12007A G12501A C12705T A12822G G12923R C14766T A15326G G16145A C16176G C16223T G16390A T16519C KJ801471(cancer-spCC6) Lang Haplogroup N1b1a5 12-OCT-2015 A73G G143A T152C A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G G1598A C1703T G1719A C2639T A2706G C3921A G4244R A4769G C4960T T4967C G5471A C7028T G8251A C8472T A8836G A8860G C9335T T10238C A11362G A11672R G11719A G12007A G12501A C12705T A12822G G12997A C14766T A15326G G16145A C16176G C16223T G16390A T16519C KJ801472(cancer-BMF5-1/1) Lang Haplogroup I1c1a 12-OCT-2015 A73G T199C T204C T250C A263G 309.1C 315.1C 455.1T 523.1C 523.2A 573.1C 573.2C 573.3C A750G A1438G G1719A A2706G A4529T A4769G G6267A A6359G G6734A C7028T C7483Y G8251A G8573A A8860G T9386C G9966A T10034C T10238C A10398G G11719A G12501A C12705T T13191C A13780G C14766T G15043A A15326G A15924G G16129A C16223T C16264T C16270T T16311C G16319A T16362C G16391A T16519C KJ801473(cancer-chRCC8) Lang Haplogroup W3a1a1 12-OCT-2015 A73G A189G T195C T204C G207A C222Y C253Y A263G 309.1C 315.1C G709A A750G T1243C T1406C A1438G C2386Y A2706G G2917R G3421A A3505G A4769G G5046A G5460A C7028T C7151T G8251A A8860G G8994A C10715T C11674T G11719A A11947G T12414C C12705T A13263G C14766T A15326G T15784C G15884C A15951G C16223T C16291T C16292T T16519C KJ801474(cancer-sPAP5) Lang Haplogroup L3b3 12-OCT-2015 A73G G185A A189G A249- A263G 315.1C C522- A523- A750G A1438G A2706G C3450T A4769G C5450T G5773A T6221C A6527G C7028T A8860G A9007G C9449T T9540C A10086G A10398G T10873C G11719A C12705T A13105G C13914A C13934T C14066S T14182C C14766T G15301A A15311G A15326G A15824G T15944- G16048A T16124C C16223T C16278T T16362C T16519C KJ801475(cancer-sPAP2) Lang Haplogroup L3e1f1a 12-OCT-2015 A73G C150T G185R A189G A200G A263G T310C G316S T318Y A750G A1438G T2352C A2706G A4395G A4769G T6221C C6587T C7028T C8281- C8282- C8283- C8284- C8285- T8286- C8287- T8288- A8289- A8701G A8860G T9540C A10398G A10819G T10873C G11719A C12705T A14152G T14212C C14766T G15301A A15326G T15670C T15942C A16182- A16183- T16189C C16191- C16192- C16193M C16223T C16260T C16327T KJ801476(cancer-FH1) Lang Haplogroup M71a2 12-OCT-2015 A73G G143A T146C A263G 315.1C T480C T489C A750G A1438G A2706G A3957G A4769G A5605G A5813G C7028T A8440G A8701G A8718G G8838A A8860G T9540C T9615C A10398G C10400T T10873C G11719A C12705T A13407G T13581C A14605G C14766T T14783C G15043A G15301A A15326G T15458C G16129A T16140C C16223T T16271C T16325C T16519C KJ801477(cancer-BHD6-1) Lang Haplogroup L2a1d1 12-OCT-2015 A73G G143A T146C T152C C182T A189G T195C A263G 315.1C C522- A523- A750G G769A G1018A A1438G T1654C T2416C A2706G C2789T C3594T A4104G A4769G T5090C T5196C C7028T T7175C C7256T C7274T G7521A A7771G G8206A A8701G A8860G A9221G T9530C T9540C T10115C A10398G T10873C T11386C G11719A G11914A T11944C G12007A A12397G A12612G A12693G C12705T A13395G G13590A C13650T A13803G C13934T A14566G C14766T G15301A A15326G T15784C T16209C C16223T C16278T C16294T C16296T C16301T C16354T G16390A C16527T KJ801478(cancer-chRCC3) Lang Haplogroup L2a1d1 12-OCT-2015 A73G G143A T146C T152C C182T A189G T195C A263G 315.1C C522- A523- A750G G769A G1018A A1438G T1654C T2416C A2706G C2789T C3594T A4104G A4769G T5090C T5196C C7028T T7175C C7256T C7274T G7521A A7771G G8206A A8701G A8860G A9221G T9530C T9540C T10115C A10398G T10873C T11386C G11719A G11914A T11944C G12007A A12397G A12612G A12693G C12705T A13395G G13590A C13650T A13803G C13934T A14566G C14766T G15301A A15326G T15784C T16209C C16223T C16278T C16294T C16296T C16301T C16354T G16390A C16527T KJ801479(cancer-BHd6-3) Lang Haplogroup L2a1d1 12-OCT-2015 A73G G143A T146C T152C C182T A189G T195C A263G 315.1C T452W C522- A523- A750G G769A G1018A A1438G T1654C T2416C A2706G C2789T C3594T A4104G A4769G T5090C T5196C C7028T T7175C C7256T C7274T G7521A A7771G G8206A A8701G A8860G A9221G T9530C T9540C T10115C A10398G T10873C T11386C G11719A G11914A T11944C G12007A A12397G A12612G A12693G C12705T A13395G G13590A C13650T A13803G C13934T A14566G C14766T G15301A A15326G T15784C T16209C C16223T C16278T C16294T C16296T C16301T C16354T G16390A C16527T KJ801480(cancer-BHD6-2) Lang Haplogroup L2a1d1 12-OCT-2015 A73G G143A T146C T152C C182T A189G T195C A263G 315.1C C522- A523- A750G G769A G1018A A1438G T1654C T2416C A2706G C2789T C3594T A4104G A4769G T5090C T5196C C7028T T7175C C7256T C7274T G7521A A7771G G8206A A8701G A8860G A9221G T9530C T9540C T10115C A10398G T10873C T11386C G11719A G11914A T11944C G12007A A12397G A12612G A12693G C12705T A13395G G13590A C13650T A13803G C13934T A14566G C14766T G15301A A15326G T15784C T16209C C16223T T16263Y C16278T C16294T C16296T C16301T C16354T G16390A C16527T KJ801481(cancer-sPAP1) Lang Haplogroup L2a1a 12-OCT-2015 T60- A73G T146C T152C T195C A263G 315.1C A750G G769A G1018A A1438G T2416C A2706G C2789T C3594T G3918A A4104G A4769G A5285G C7028T T7175C C7256T C7274T G7337A G7521A A7771G G8206A A8701G A8860G A9221G T9540C T9989C T10115C A10398G T10873C G11719A G11914A T11944C A12242C A12693G C12705T G13590A C13650T A13803G A14566G C14766T T14992C A15244G G15301A A15326G T15629C T15784C C16223T C16278T C16287T C16294T A16309G G16390A T16519C KJ801482(cancer-chRCC10) Lang Haplogroup L2b2 12-OCT-2015 A73G T146C C150T T152C C182T T195C C198T T204C A263G 309.1C 315.1C G513A A750G G769A G1018A A1438G G1442A C1706T C2332T A2358G T2416C A2706G G3196A C3594T A4104G A4158G T4370C A4767G A4769G T4823C C5027T A5258G C5331A T5814C C6563T T6614C T6681C C6713T A6806G C7028T C7256T G7521A T7624A C8080T G8206A G8387A T8503C A8701G A8860G A9221G T9540C T10115C A10398G T10873C G11719A T11944C G12236A C12705T A12948G G13590A C13650T A14059G C14766T G15110A G15217A G15301A C15318T A15326G C16114A G16129A G16213A C16223T A16265G C16278T T16311C T16368C G16390A KJ801483(cancer-BMF3-1/1) Lang Haplogroup L1c3a 12-OCT-2015 A73G C151T T152C C182T C186A A189C G247A A263G 309.1C 315.1C G316A C522- A523- A750G G769A T825A G1018A A1438G A2395- A2706G G2758A T2885C C3594T G3666A A4104G A4769G A5951G T6071C T6221A G6260A A6791G G6917A C7028T A7146G C7256T T7389C G7498A G7521A G7789A G8027A C8468T C8655T A8701G A8860G A9072G T9540C G9966A A10398G G10586A G10688A T10810C T10873C C11302T G11719A C12019T G12501A C12705T A12810G C12906T A13105G A13485G C13506T C13650T T13789C G13915A T14000A T14178C G14560A C14766T C14911T A15226G A15326G T15905C C15978T G16129A A16183- T16189C 16193.1C A16194R A16215G C16223T C16278T A16293G C16294T T16311C C16360T T16368C T16519C

List And a further 28 sequences. All from Haplogroup H subgroups. As usual the sequences have been added to my 'Checker' program to ensure accuracy of transcription. Ian www.ianlogan.co.uk ---------------------------- KJ801429(cancer-BHD4-2 Lang Haplogroup H5a1 12-OCT-2015 A235G A263G 315.1C T452W C456T C522- A523- A750G A1438G T4336C A4769G A8860G T12354C A15326G C15833T T16304C KJ801430(cancer-BHD4-3) Lang Haplogroup H5a1 12-OCT-2015 A235G A263G 315.1C C456T C522- A523- A750G A1438G T4336C A4769G A8860G T12354C A15326G C15833T T16304C KJ801431(cancer-BDH4-1) Lang Haplogroup H5a1 12-OCT-2015 A235G A263G 315.1C C456T C522- A523- T531Y A750G A1438G T4336C A4769G A8860G T12354C A15326G C15833T T16304C KJ801432(cancer-BHD1-1) Lang Haplogroup H5c1 12-OCT-2015 A263G 315.1C C456T A750G A1438G A4769G G6917A A8860G T11944C G12127A A14071R A15326G T16304C KJ801433(cancer-BHD1-2) Lang Haplogroup H5c1 12-OCT-2015 A263G 315.1C C456T A750G A1438G A4769G G6917A A8860G T11944C G12127A A15326G T16304C KJ801434(cancer-BHD1-3) Lang Haplogroup H5c1 12-OCT-2015 A263G 315.1C C456T A750G A1438G A4769G G6917A A8860G T11944C G12127A A15326G T16304C KJ801435(cancer-BHD1-5) Lang Haplogroup H5c1 12-OCT-2015 A263G 315.1C C456T A750G A1438G A4769G G5400R G6917A A8860G T11944C G12127A A15326G T16304C KJ801436(cancer-BHD1-6) Lang Haplogroup H5c1 12-OCT-2015 A263G 315.1C C456T A750G A1438G A4769G G6917A A8860G T11944C G12127A A15326G T16304C KJ801437(cancer-BHD1-9) Lang Haplogroup H5c1 12-OCT-2015 A263G 315.1C C456T A750G A1438G A4769G G6917A A8860G T11944C G12127A A15326G T16304C KJ801438(cancer-BHD1-4) Lang Haplogroup H5c1 12-OCT-2015 A263G 315.1C C456T A750G A1438G A4769G G6917A A8860G T11944C G12127A A15326G T16304C KJ801439(cancer-BHD1-8) Lang Haplogroup H5c1 12-OCT-2015 A263G 315.1C G316R G347R C456T A750G A1438G A4769G G6917A A8860G T11944C G12127A A15326G T16304C KJ801440(cancer-BHD1-7) Lang Haplogroup H5c1 12-OCT-2015 T72C A263G 315.1C C456T A750G A1438G A4769G G6917A A8860G T11944C G12127A A15326G T16304C KJ801441(cancer-sPAP3) Lang Haplogroup H5 12-OCT-2015 T72C A263G 309.1C C311Y 315.1C 315.2C C456T A750G A1438G C4140T A4576G A4769G T5302C A8860G A15326G T16304C T16311C G16391A KJ801442(cancer-VHL2) Lang Haplogroup H36 12-OCT-2015 T152C A263G 315.1C C456T A750G A1438G A2765G C3525A A4769G C8578T A8860G C13056T A15326G A16070G KJ801443(cancer-chRCC9) Lang Haplogroup H2a1a 12-OCT-2015 A263G 315.1C A750G G951A C6173T A8860G G9804A T13095C T15067C A15326G C16354T KJ801444(cancer-spCC2) Lang Haplogroup H2a1e1b 12-OCT-2015 A263G 309.1C 315.1C C575T A750G A751G G951A A4715G 5899.1C A8860G A10855G A15326G C16354T KJ801445(cancer-BHD10) Lang Haplogroup H53 12-OCT-2015 T239C A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G G3915A A4727G A4769G A8860G A9254G G9380A G10589A A15326G T16362C A16482G KJ801446(cancer-BHD3-1) Lang Haplogroup H31 12-OCT-2015 T146C T195C A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G A4769G A7930T A8860G G9744A A10771G A15326G T16519C KJ801447(cancer-BHD8-2) Lang Haplogroup H31 12-OCT-2015 T146C T195C A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G A4769G A7930T G8219R A8860G A10771G A15326G T16519C KJ801448(cancer-BHD11) Lang Haplogroup H31 12-OCT-2015 T146C T195C A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G A4769G A7930T A8860G A10771G A15326G T16519C KJ801449(cancer-BDH8-1) Lang Haplogroup H31 12-OCT-2015 T146C T195C A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G A4769G A7930T A8860G A10771G A15326G T16519C KJ801450(cancer-chRCC11) Lang Haplogroup H40a 12-OCT-2015 A263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C A750G A1438G A4769G 5752.1A T7621C A8860G C11740Y A15326G T16519C KJ801451(cancer-VHL4) Lang Haplogroup H24a 12-OCT-2015 A263G 309.1C 309.2Y T310C A750G A1438G C3333T A4769G A8860G A15326G T16093C A16293G T16519C KJ801452(cancer-spCC1) Lang Haplogroup H1 12-OCT-2015 A263G A302M 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G G3010A G4655A A4769G A8860G T12354C A15326G T16189C T16519C KJ801453(cancer-FH3) Lang Haplogroup H1a 12-OCT-2015 A73G A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G G3010A A4769G T4891C A8860G A15326G A16162G T16519C KJ801454(cancer-BMF2-1/1) Lang Haplogroup H28a 12-OCT-2015 T72C C186A A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G C3414T A4769G T8715C A8860G A11038- C11191T A15326G T16092C T16311C T16519C KJ801455(cancer-BMF2-2/1) Lang Haplogroup H28a 12-OCT-2015 T72C C186A A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G C3414T A4769G T8715C A8860G A11038- C11191T A15326G G15961A T16092C T16311C T16519C KJ801456(cancer-BMF2-1/2) Lang Haplogroup H28a 12-OCT-2015 T72C C186A A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G C3414T A4769G T8715C A8860G A11038- C11191T A15326G T16092C T16311C T16519C

List A very interesting set of 83 new mtDNA sequences has appeared on the GenBank database. The samples come from cancer samples and accompany the paper (abstract given below.): Lang,M., Vocke,C.D., Merino,M.J., Schmidt,L.S. and Linehan,W.M. 'Mitochondrial DNA mutations distinguish bilateral multifocal renal oncocytomas from familial Birt-Hogg-Dube tumors' Mod. Pathol. 2015 Oct 2 The sequences on this post belong to Haplogroups: H, J, K, T, U As usual the sequences have been added to my 'Checker' program to ensure accuracy of transcription. As with many mtDNA sequences there are insertions, deletions, heteroplasmies and fresh mutations. - but these do appear to be random events. It is interesting that there many of the sequences come from uncommon subgroups - and this makes it diffiluct to know if a 'new' mutation is indeed 'new' or just a polymorphic result that is not seen very often. Ian ww.ianlogan.co.uk ------------------------------- Abstract Oncocytomas are mostly benign tumors characterized by accumulation of defective mitochondria, and in sporadic cases, are associated with disruptive mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) mutations. However, the role mtDNA mutations have in renal tumors of Birt-Hogg-Dubé (BHD) patients and other renal oncocytomas with an apparent genetic component has not been investigated to date. Here we characterize the mitochondrial genome in different renal tumors and investigate the possibility of employing mtDNA sequencing analyses of biopsy specimens to aid in the differential diagnosis of oncocytomas. The entire mitochondrial genome was sequenced in 25 samples of bilateral and multifocal (BMF) renal oncocytomas, 30 renal tumors from BHD patients and 36 non-oncocytic renal tumors of different histologies as well as in biopsy samples of kidney tumors. mtDNA sequencing in BMF oncocytomas revealed that all tumors carry disruptive mutations, which impair the assembly of the NADH-ubiquinone oxidoreductase. Multiple tumors from a given BMF oncocytoma patient mainly harbor the same somatic mutation and the kidneys of these patients display diffuse oncocytosis. In contrast, renal oncocytomas of patients with BHD syndrome and renal tumors with different histologies do not show disruptive mtDNA mutations. Moreover, we demonstrate that it is feasible to amplify and sequence the entire mtDNA in biopsy specimens, and that these sequences are representative of the tumor DNA. These results show that pathogenic mtDNA mutations affecting complex I of the respiratory chain are strongly correlated with the oncocytoma phenotype in non-BHD-related renal tumors and that mtDNA sequences from biopsies are predictive of the tumor genotype. This work supports a role for mtDNA mutations in respiratory chain complexes as diagnostic markers for renal oncocytomas. ---------------- KJ801401(cancer-BMF1-1/1) Lang Haplogroup T1a1b 12-OCT-2015 A73G T152C T195C A263G 315.1C G709A A750G A1438G G1888A A2706G T4216C A4769G A4917G C7028T G8697A A8860G G9438A T9899C G10143A T10463C A11251G G11719A A12425- C12633A G13368A C14281T C14766T G14905A G15323A A15326G C15452A A15607G G15928A T16126C A16163G C16186T C16188T T16189C C16294T T16519C KJ801402(cancer-BMF1-1/2) Lang Haplogroup T1a1b 12-OCT-2015 A73G T152C T195C A263G 315.1C G709A A750G A1438G G1888A A2706G 3571.1C T4216C A4769G A4917G C7028T G8697A A8860G G9438A T9899C G10143A T10463C A11251G G11719A C12633A G13368A C14281T C14766T G14905A G15323A A15326G C15452A A15607G G15928A T16126C A16163G C16186T T16189C C16294T T16519C KJ801403(cancer-chRCC12-5) Lang Haplogroup T1a4 12-OCT-2015 A73G T152C T195C A263G 309.1C 315.1C G709A A750G A1438G G1888A A2706G T4216C A4769G A4917G A7001G C7028T G8020A A8343G C8465Y G8697A A8860G G9266A T10463C A11251G G11719A T11776C C12633A G13368A 14623.1C C14766T G14905A A15326G C15452A A15607G G15928A T16126C A16163G C16169T C16186T T16189C T16263C C16294T T16311C T16519C KJ801404(cancer-chRCC12-6) Lang Haplogroup T1a4 12-OCT-2015 A73G T152C T195C A263G 309.1C 315.1C C549- G709A A750G A1438G G1888A A2706G T4216C A4769G A4917G A7001G C7028T G8020A A8343G G8697A A8860G G9266A T10463C A11251G G11719A T11776C C12633A G13368A C14766T G14905A A15326G C15452A A15607G G15928A T16126C A16163G C16169T C16186T T16189C T16263C C16294T T16311C T16519C KJ801405(cancer-chRCC12-3) Lang Haplogroup T1a4 12-OCT-2015 A73G T152C T195C A263G 309.1C 315.1C G709A A750G A1438G G1888A A2706G T4216C A4769G A4917G A7001G C7028T G8020A A8343G G8697A A8860G G9266A T10463C A11251G G11719A T11776C C12633A G13368A C14766T G14905A A15326G C15452A A15607G G15928A T16126C A16163G C16169T C16186T T16189C T16263C C16294T T16311C T16519C KJ801406(cancer-chRCC12-7) Lang Haplogroup T1a4 12-OCT-2015 A73G T152C T195C A263G 309.1C 315.1C G513A C522- A523- G709A A750G A1438G G1888A A2706G 3571.1C T4216C A4769G A4917G G5316A A7001G C7028T G8020A A8343G G8697A A8860G G9266A T10463C A11251G G11719A T11776C C12633A G13368A C14766T G14905A T15209K A15326G C15452A A15607G G15928A T16126C A16163G C16169T C16186T T16189C T16263C C16294T T16311C T16519C KJ801407(cancer-chRCC12-8) Lang Haplogroup T1a4 12-OCT-2015 G71- A73G T152C T195C A263G 309.1C 315.1C G709A A750G A1438G G1888A A2706G 3571.1C T4216C A4769G A4917G A7001G C7028T G8020A A8343G G8697A A8860G G9266A T10463C A11251G G11719A T11776C C12633A G13368A C14766T G14905A A15326G C15452A A15607G G15928A T16126C A16163G C16169T C16186T T16189C T16263C C16294T T16311C T16519C KJ801408(cancer-chRCC12-9) Lang Haplogroup T1a4 12-OCT-2015 A73G T152C T195C A263G 309.1C 315.1C T531C G709A A750G A1438G G1888A A2706G T4216C A4769G A4917G G6955A A7001G C7028T G8020A A8343G G8697C A8860G G9266A T10463C A11251G G11719A T11776C C12633A G13368A C14766T G14905A A15326G C15452A A15607G G15928A T16126C A16163G C16169T C16186T T16189C T16263C C16294T T16311C T16519C KJ801409(cancer-BHD2) Lang Haplogroup J1c2 12-OCT-2015 A73G G185A A188G A263G C295T 309.1C 315.1C C462T T489C A750G A1438G A2706G G3010A T4216C A4769G C7028T A8860G A10398G A11251G G11719A A12612G G13708A C14766T T14798C A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C T16519C KJ801410(cancer-VHL3) Lang Haplogroup J1c3g 12-OCT-2015 A73G G185A A188G A263G C295T 309.1C 315.1C C462T T489C A750G A1438G A2706G G3010A T4216C A4769G C7028T A8860G G9755A A10398G A11251G G11719A A12612G G13708A C13934T A14327R C14766T T14798C A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C KJ801411(cancer-chRCC4) Lang Haplogroup J1c7a 12-OCT-2015 A73G G185A G228A A263G C295T 315.1C C462T T489C A750G A1438G A2706G G3010A T4216C A4769G C6464A C6554T C7028T A8860G A10398G A11251G G11719A G12127A A12612G A13681G G13708A A14552G C14766T T14798C A15326G C15452A C16069T T16092C T16126C C16261T KJ801412(cancer-sPAP4) Lang Haplogroup J1c5a1 12-OCT-2015 A73G G185A G228A A263G C295T 315.1C C462T T489C A750G A1438G T1535- T2387C A2706G G3010A T4216C A4769G A5198G C7028T A8860G C10192T A10398G A10598G A11251G T11583Y G11719A A12612G G12895A G13708A C14766T T14798C A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C KJ801413(cancer-VHL1) Lang Haplogroup J1b1a1 12-OCT-2015 A73G T146C C242T A263G C295T 315.1C C462T T489C A750G A1438G T2158C A2706G G3010A T4216C A4769G G5460A C7028T G8269A G8557A A8860G A10398G A11251G G11719A G12007A A12612G G13708A T13879C T14470C A14706G C14766T A15326G C15452A C16069T T16093C T16126C G16145A T16172C C16222T C16261T T16362C KJ801414(cancer-chRCC2) Lang Haplogroup J2a2b2 12-OCT-2015 A73G C150T T195C A263G C295T 315.1C C456T T489C A750G A1438G A2706G T4216C A4769G T6671C C7028T C7476T A8860G G9947A A10398G A10499G A11002G A11251G G11377A C11698G G11719A A12570G A12612G G12622R T13015C G13708A T13830C C14766T G15257A A15326G C15452A A15679G C16069T T16126C A16241G T16288Y KJ801415(cancer-spCC3) Lang Haplogroup J2a1a1 12-OCT-2015 A73G C150T T152C T195C A215G A263G C295T 315.1C T319C T489C G513A A750G A1438G A2706G 3571.1C T4216C A4769G C7028T C7476T G7789A A8860G T10333Y A10398G A10499G A11251G G11377A G11719A A12612G G13708A A13722G A14133G C14766T G15257A A15326G C15452A C16069T G16145A T16231C C16261T T16519C KJ801416(cancer-BMF6-1/1) Lang Haplogroup U2e1a1 12-OCT-2015 A73G T152C T217C A263G 309.1C 315.1C C340T A508G A750G A1438G G1664A A1811G A2706G C3116T A3720G G4036A A4769G A5390G T5426C C6045T T6152C C7028T A8860G A10127G A10876G C11197T A11467G G11719A T11732C A12308G G12372A T13020C T13734C C14766T A15326G A15907G A16051G G16129C A16182- A16183- C16184M T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C T16362C T16519C KJ801417(cancer-BMF6-1/2) Lang Haplogroup U2e1a1 12-OCT-2015 A73G T152C T217C A263G 309.1C 315.1C C340T A508G 523.1C 523.2A A750G A1438G A1811G A2706G C3116T A3720G G4036A A4769G A5390G T5426C C6045T T6152C C7028T A8860G A10127G A10876G C11197T A11467G G11719A T11732C A12308G G12372A T13020C T13734C C14766T A15326G A15907G A16051G G16129C A16182- A16183- C16184M T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C T16362C T16519C KJ801418(cancer-FH2) Lang Haplogroup U2e1e 12-OCT-2015 A73G T152C T217C A263G 309.1C 315.1C C340T A508G C522- A523- A750G A1438G A1811G C2526T A2706G A3720G A4769G A5390G T5426C C6045T T6152C C7028T G8251A A8860G A9926G T10786C A10876G A11467G T11552Y G11719A A12308G G12372A G12618A T13020C T13734C G14607A C14766T A15326G A15907G A16051G G16129C G16145A A16182- A16183- T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C T16362C T16519C KJ801419(cancer- BHD13-1) Lang Haplogroup U4b1b1 12-OCT-2015 T60C A73G T146C T152C T195C A263G 309.1C 315.1C G499A 523.1C 523.2A A750G A1438G A1811G A2706G A4547M T4646C A4769G T5999C A6047G C7028T T7705C A8860G T9047C C11332T T11339C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A A13528G C13565T C14620T C14766T A15326G T15693C T16356C T16519C KJ801420(cancer-chRCC7) Lang Haplogroup U4b1a3a 12-OCT-2015 G69R 71.1G A73G T146C T195C A263G 309.1C 315.1C G499A A750G A1438G A1811G A2706G A3672G T4646C A4769G A5752- T5999C A6047G C7028T A7265G T7705C A8860G T9989C T11017C C11332T T11339C A11467G C11674T G11719A A12308G G12372A C14620T C14766T A15326G T15693C T16356C T16519C KJ801421(cancer-BHD9) Lang Haplogroup K1a1a2a 12-OCT-2015 71.1G A73G A263G 315.1C C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G T3552C A4769G A6060G C7028T 8276.1C A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A G11914A A12308G G12372A G12771A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G A15799G G16129A T16224C T16311C T16519C KJ801422(cancer-FH4) Lang Haplogroup K1a4a1a2b 12-OCT-2015 A73G T146C A263G 315.1C C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4295G A4769G G6260A C7028T A8860G G9055A A9214G T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G T11485C G11719A C11840T A12308G G12372A T13401C T13740C C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G G15884A T16224C C16245T T16311C T16519C KJ801423(cancer-spCC5) Lang Haplogroup K1a-T195C 12-OCT-2015 A73G T195C A263G 315.1C C497T 523.1C 523.2A 523.3C 523.4A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C C14997Y A15326G T16093C T16224C T16311C T16519C KJ801424(cancer-chrCC6) Lang Haplogroup K1b2a2 12-OCT-2015 A73G T146C T195C A263G 309.1C 309.2C T310Y 315.1G 523.1C 523.2A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G T5021C G5913A C7028T G7521A A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A T12738G G12771A C14167T C14766T T14798C G15045R A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C KJ801425(cancer-BHD12) Lang Haplogroup U5b2b4 12-OCT-2015 A73G C150T G185A A263G C303M 309.1C C311Y 315.1C 315.2C A1438G C1721T A2706G T3197C A4769G C7028T A7768G A8860G G9477A A9670G A11467G A11653G G11719A A12308G G12372A A12634G T13617C A13630G A13637G T14182C C14766T A15326G T16189C C16193M C16270T T16519C KJ801426(cancer-spCC4) Lang Haplogroup H13a1a 12-OCT-2015 A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G G811R C858Y A1438G C2259T C2326Y G4201S A4745G A4769G G6951R A8860G G9755A C13680T C14794Y C14872T A15326G G15927A KJ801427(cancer-VHL5) Lang Haplogroup H15a1 12-OCT-2015 A56T T57C 60.1T A263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C A750G A1438G A4769G T6253C A8860G C10937T T11410C A11821G C14953T A15326G KJ801428(cancer-BHD4-4) Lang Haplogroup H5a1 12-OCT-2015 A235G A263G 315.1C C456T C522- A523- A750G A1438G T4336C A4769G A8860G T12354C A15326G C15833T T16304C

Explain why it would matter that a person is a "male-line" descendant of Sally Hemmings? I suppose to do the Y test, but you can also do atDNA tests that would show conclusively the cousinship of living people It's true that two fourth cousins might not match at all, but a triangulated group of say four of them would certainly match somewhere -----Original Message----- From: Sam Sloan via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: DNAAdoption <DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com> Cc: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com>; DNA-NEWBIE <DNA-NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Oct 18, 2015 6:44 am Subject: Re: [DNA] [DNAAdoption] Have new DNA tests been one on the Thomas Jefferson Sally Hemings Controversy? Tomas Jefferson's oldest surviving daughter Martha had 13 children and his next surviving daughter Maria also called Polly had two children before her early death probably from breast cancer. When I studied this subject as I was writing my book "The Slave Children of Thomas Jefferson" I found more than one thousand descendants of Martha and Maria Jefferson. One of these was Professor George Shackleford, a professor of history of Virginia Polytechnic University who often wrote articles "defending" Thomas Jefferson. He is probably no longer with us as he was already elderly when I wrote the book in 1993 but he may have descendants. Similarly Tom Woodson has more than one thousand descendants at least one of whom has written a book about this. However, there is only one male line descendant of Sally Hemings that we know about. That is the grandson of Eston Hemings. The most interesting person to test would be Edward Graham Jefferson. He was born in 1921. His father was Edward Hemmings Jefferson (with two mms) and his grandfather was Beverley Jefferson the presumed son of Sally Hemings. Edward Graham Jefferson had a Ph.D. in chemistry and was the Chairman of DuPont Chemical Corp. He had two sons, born in England. He is dead now but perhaps his sons can be located. He was asked to take a DNA test while he was alive but he refused. He said that all his life he had been bothered by people asking if he was a descendant of Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings and he was not going to respond to these inquiries or participate in any way. However, now that he is gone perhaps his sons or his grandchildren will agree. Sam Sloan On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:12 AM, 'Patty' searchangelpatty@gmail.com [DNAAdoption] <DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > You might want to consult with Cece on that > > > > > http://blog.23andme.com/23andme-customer-stories/dna-tests-uncover-african-ancestry-and-surprising-connection-to-thomas-jefferson/ > > > > As a result, I am spearheading an autosomal DNA project on the descendants > of Sally Hemings. Although it is now generally recognized that Thomas > Jefferson fathered all of Sally Hemings’ children, it has been impossible > to determine with certainty. The introduction of autosomal DNA testing has > changed this. Through autosomal DNA testing of specific individuals, I hope > to be able to demonstrate that the descendants of Sally Hemings share > blocks of DNA with Jefferson’s “legitimate” descendants. If it is not > possible to procure DNA from any of these known descendants, I will seek > DNA from descendants of individuals one step further back in Thomas > Jefferson’s pedigree in an attempt to show that Sally’s descendants possess > DNA from Jefferson’s ancestral lines. Since autosomal DNA undergoes random > recombination with each successive generation, it will be necessary to test > the oldest living descendants of these lines. DNA is the perfect tool for > this because it does not harbor any prejudice or predetermined notions. > Anyone who fits these parameters should contact me at > yourgeneticgenealogist@gmail.com.] > > > > *From:* DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, October 15, 2015 12:16 AM > *To:* genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com; DNA-NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com; > DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [DNAAdoption] Have new DNA tests been one on the Thomas > Jefferson Sally Hemings Controversy? > > > > > > In 1998 a DNA test was done on descendants of Eston Hemings son of Sally > Hemings and on descendants of Field Jefferson uncle of Thomas Jefferson. > > The result was a match indicating that Thomas Jefferson was the father of > at least one of the children of Thomas Jefferson. > > However, at that time only 8 haplogroups were tested as back then DNA > testing was primitive as compared to today when 111 groups were tested. > > My question is whether these tests have been upgraded in the 17 years > since the first tests were done. It seems strange that there have been no > further reports on this subject. > > I wrote one of the early books on this subject.The Slave Children of > Thomas Jefferson ISBN 1-881373-02-9 > > http://www.amazon.com/dp/1881373029 > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson%E2%80%93Hemings_controversy > > Sam Sloan > > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------ > Posted by: "Patty" <searchangelpatty@gmail.com> > ------------------------------ > Reply via web post > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/conversations/messages/57583;_ylc=X3oDMTJyMzZpZTkwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRtc2dJZAM1NzU4MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTU-?act=reply&messageNum=57583> > • Reply to sender > <searchangelpatty@gmail.com?subject=RE%3A%20%5BDNAAdoption%5D%20Have%20new%20DNA%20tests%20been%20one%20on%20the%20Thomas%20Jefferson%20Sally%20Hemings%20Controversy%3F> > • Reply to group > <DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE%3A%20%5BDNAAdoption%5D%20Have%20new%20DNA%20tests%20been%20one%20on%20the%20Thomas%20Jefferson%20Sally%20Hemings%20Controversy%3F> > • Start a New Topic > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMnYydWE4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTU-> > • Messages in this topic > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/conversations/topics/57453;_ylc=X3oDMTM3ZHZyN2UyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRtc2dJZAM1NzU4MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTUEdHBjSWQDNTc0NTM-> > (5) > Visit Your Group > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmNW9rMDM3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTU-> > > - New Members > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJnaG5mNG1jBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxNDQ1MTY3NTU1> > 12 > > [image: Yahoo! 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Because back in 1998 when the highly publicized tests were done, autosomal DNA testing did not yet exist or else was an a primitive state. Therefore the test that proved that Thomas Jefferson was the father of at least one of the children of Sally Hemings had to be a Y-DNA test. They tested only eight sites and as I recall one of those was not a perfect match. Now that we have autosomal testing and since Thomas Jefferson died in 1826 and had his children between 1789 and 1805 which is well within the range of autosomal testing we can go back and get a far more conclusive determination as to whether Thomas Jefferson was or was not the real father. Sam Sloan On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> wrote: > Explain why it would matter that a person is a "male-line" descendant of > Sally Hemmings? > I suppose to do the Y test, but you can also do atDNA tests that would > show conclusively the cousinship of living people > > It's true that two fourth cousins might not match at all, but a > triangulated group of say four of them would certainly match somewhere > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Sloan via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > To: DNAAdoption <DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com> > Cc: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com>; DNA-NEWBIE < > DNA-NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sun, Oct 18, 2015 6:44 am > Subject: Re: [DNA] [DNAAdoption] Have new DNA tests been one on the Thomas > Jefferson Sally Hemings Controversy? > > Tomas Jefferson's oldest surviving daughter Martha had 13 children and his > next > surviving daughter Maria also called Polly had two children before her > early > death probably from breast cancer. > > When I studied this subject as I was writing > my book "The Slave Children of > Thomas Jefferson" I found more than one thousand > descendants of Martha and > Maria Jefferson. One of these was Professor George > Shackleford, a professor > of history of Virginia Polytechnic University who often > wrote articles > "defending" Thomas Jefferson. He is probably no longer with us as > he was > already elderly when I wrote the book in 1993 but he may have > descendants. > > Similarly Tom Woodson has more than one thousand descendants at > least one > of whom has written a book about this. > > However, there is only one > male line descendant of Sally Hemings that we > know about. That is the grandson > of Eston Hemings. > > The most interesting person to test would be Edward Graham > Jefferson. He > was born in 1921. His father was Edward Hemmings Jefferson (with > two mms) > and his grandfather was Beverley Jefferson the presumed son of > Sally > Hemings. Edward Graham Jefferson had a Ph.D. in chemistry and was > the > Chairman of DuPont Chemical Corp. He had two sons, born in England. He > is > dead now but perhaps his sons can be located. He was asked to take a DNA > test > while he was alive but he refused. He said that all his life he had > been > bothered by people asking if he was a descendant of Thomas Jefferson > and Sally > Hemings and he was not going to respond to these inquiries or > participate in any > way. However, now that he is gone perhaps his sons or > his grandchildren will > agree. > > Sam Sloan > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:12 AM, 'Patty'searchangelpatty@gmail.com > [DNAAdoption] <DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > You might want to consult with Cece on that > > > > > > > > > >http://blog.23andme.com/23andme-customer-stories/dna-tests-uncover-african-ancestry-and-surprising-connection-to-thomas-jefferson/ > > > > > > > > > As a result, I am spearheading an autosomal DNA project on the descendants > > of > Sally Hemings. Although it is now generally recognized that Thomas > > Jefferson > fathered all of Sally Hemings’ children, it has been impossible > > to determine > with certainty. The introduction of autosomal DNA testing has > > changed this. > Through autosomal DNA testing of specific individuals, I hope > > to be able to > demonstrate that the descendants of Sally Hemings share > > blocks of DNA with > Jefferson’s “legitimate” descendants. If it is not > > possible to procure DNA > from any of these known descendants, I will seek > > DNA from descendants of > individuals one step further back in Thomas > > Jefferson’s pedigree in an attempt > to show that Sally’s descendants possess > > DNA from Jefferson’s ancestral lines. > Since autosomal DNA undergoes random > > recombination with each successive > generation, it will be necessary to test > > the oldest living descendants of > these lines. DNA is the perfect tool for > > this because it does not harbor any > prejudice or predetermined notions. > > Anyone who fits these parameters should > contact me at > > yourgeneticgenealogist@gmail.com > .] > > > > > > > > *From:*DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com <DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com?>] > > *Sent:* > Thursday, October 15, 2015 12:16 AM > > *To:* genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com;DNA-NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com; > > DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com > > *Subject:* > [DNAAdoption] Have new DNA tests been one on the Thomas > > Jefferson Sally > Hemings Controversy? > > > > > > > > > > > > In 1998 a DNA test was done on descendants of > Eston Hemings son of Sally > > Hemings and on descendants of Field Jefferson uncle > of Thomas Jefferson. > > > > The result was a match indicating that Thomas Jefferson > was the father of > > at least one of the children of Thomas Jefferson. > > > > > However, at that time only 8 haplogroups were tested as back then DNA > > testing > was primitive as compared to today when 111 groups were tested. > > > > My question > is whether these tests have been upgraded in the 17 years > > since the first > tests were done. It seems strange that there have been no > > further reports on > this subject. > > > > I wrote one of the early books on this subject.The Slave > Children of > > Thomas Jefferson ISBN 1-881373-02-9 > > > >http://www.amazon.com/dp/1881373029 > > > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson%E2%80%93Hemings_controversy > > > > Sam > Sloan > > > > __._,_.___ > > ------------------------------ > > Posted by: "Patty" > <searchangelpatty@gmail.com> > > ------------------------------ > > Reply via web > post > > > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/conversations/messages/57583;_ylc=X3oDMTJyMzZpZTkwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRtc2dJZAM1NzU4MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTU-?act=reply&messageNum=57583> > > > • Reply to sender > > > <searchangelpatty@gmail.com?subject=RE%3A%20%5BDNAAdoption%5D%20Have%20new%20DNA%20tests%20been%20one%20on%20the%20Thomas%20Jefferson%20Sally%20Hemings%20Controversy%3F> > > > • Reply to group > > > <DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE%3A%20%5BDNAAdoption%5D%20Have%20new%20DNA%20tests%20been%20one%20on%20the%20Thomas%20Jefferson%20Sally%20Hemings%20Controversy%3F> > > > • Start a New Topic > > > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMnYydWE4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTU-> > > > • Messages in this topic > > > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/conversations/topics/57453;_ylc=X3oDMTM3ZHZyN2UyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRtc2dJZAM1NzU4MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTUEdHBjSWQDNTc0NTM-> > > > (5) > > Visit Your Group > > > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmNW9rMDM3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTU-> > > > > > - New Members > > > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJnaG5mNG1jBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxNDQ1MTY3NTU1> > > > 12 > > > > [image: Yahoo! 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Tomas Jefferson's oldest surviving daughter Martha had 13 children and his next surviving daughter Maria also called Polly had two children before her early death probably from breast cancer. When I studied this subject as I was writing my book "The Slave Children of Thomas Jefferson" I found more than one thousand descendants of Martha and Maria Jefferson. One of these was Professor George Shackleford, a professor of history of Virginia Polytechnic University who often wrote articles "defending" Thomas Jefferson. He is probably no longer with us as he was already elderly when I wrote the book in 1993 but he may have descendants. Similarly Tom Woodson has more than one thousand descendants at least one of whom has written a book about this. However, there is only one male line descendant of Sally Hemings that we know about. That is the grandson of Eston Hemings. The most interesting person to test would be Edward Graham Jefferson. He was born in 1921. His father was Edward Hemmings Jefferson (with two mms) and his grandfather was Beverley Jefferson the presumed son of Sally Hemings. Edward Graham Jefferson had a Ph.D. in chemistry and was the Chairman of DuPont Chemical Corp. He had two sons, born in England. He is dead now but perhaps his sons can be located. He was asked to take a DNA test while he was alive but he refused. He said that all his life he had been bothered by people asking if he was a descendant of Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings and he was not going to respond to these inquiries or participate in any way. However, now that he is gone perhaps his sons or his grandchildren will agree. Sam Sloan On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:12 AM, 'Patty' searchangelpatty@gmail.com [DNAAdoption] <DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > You might want to consult with Cece on that > > > > > http://blog.23andme.com/23andme-customer-stories/dna-tests-uncover-african-ancestry-and-surprising-connection-to-thomas-jefferson/ > > > > As a result, I am spearheading an autosomal DNA project on the descendants > of Sally Hemings. Although it is now generally recognized that Thomas > Jefferson fathered all of Sally Hemings’ children, it has been impossible > to determine with certainty. The introduction of autosomal DNA testing has > changed this. Through autosomal DNA testing of specific individuals, I hope > to be able to demonstrate that the descendants of Sally Hemings share > blocks of DNA with Jefferson’s “legitimate” descendants. If it is not > possible to procure DNA from any of these known descendants, I will seek > DNA from descendants of individuals one step further back in Thomas > Jefferson’s pedigree in an attempt to show that Sally’s descendants possess > DNA from Jefferson’s ancestral lines. Since autosomal DNA undergoes random > recombination with each successive generation, it will be necessary to test > the oldest living descendants of these lines. DNA is the perfect tool for > this because it does not harbor any prejudice or predetermined notions. > Anyone who fits these parameters should contact me at > yourgeneticgenealogist@gmail.com.] > > > > *From:* DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, October 15, 2015 12:16 AM > *To:* genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com; DNA-NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com; > DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [DNAAdoption] Have new DNA tests been one on the Thomas > Jefferson Sally Hemings Controversy? > > > > > > In 1998 a DNA test was done on descendants of Eston Hemings son of Sally > Hemings and on descendants of Field Jefferson uncle of Thomas Jefferson. > > The result was a match indicating that Thomas Jefferson was the father of > at least one of the children of Thomas Jefferson. > > However, at that time only 8 haplogroups were tested as back then DNA > testing was primitive as compared to today when 111 groups were tested. > > My question is whether these tests have been upgraded in the 17 years > since the first tests were done. It seems strange that there have been no > further reports on this subject. > > I wrote one of the early books on this subject.The Slave Children of > Thomas Jefferson ISBN 1-881373-02-9 > > http://www.amazon.com/dp/1881373029 > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson%E2%80%93Hemings_controversy > > Sam Sloan > > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------ > Posted by: "Patty" <searchangelpatty@gmail.com> > ------------------------------ > Reply via web post > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/conversations/messages/57583;_ylc=X3oDMTJyMzZpZTkwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRtc2dJZAM1NzU4MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTU-?act=reply&messageNum=57583> > • Reply to sender > <searchangelpatty@gmail.com?subject=RE%3A%20%5BDNAAdoption%5D%20Have%20new%20DNA%20tests%20been%20one%20on%20the%20Thomas%20Jefferson%20Sally%20Hemings%20Controversy%3F> > • Reply to group > <DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE%3A%20%5BDNAAdoption%5D%20Have%20new%20DNA%20tests%20been%20one%20on%20the%20Thomas%20Jefferson%20Sally%20Hemings%20Controversy%3F> > • Start a New Topic > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMnYydWE4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTU-> > • Messages in this topic > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/conversations/topics/57453;_ylc=X3oDMTM3ZHZyN2UyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRtc2dJZAM1NzU4MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTUEdHBjSWQDNTc0NTM-> > (5) > Visit Your Group > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmNW9rMDM3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0NDUxNjc1NTU-> > > - New Members > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DNAAdoption/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJnaG5mNG1jBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3NzYyMTg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDgzNwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxNDQ1MTY3NTU1> > 12 > > [image: Yahoo! 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Hi Karla, You can feel free to use any of the materials in the slides from my presentation at I4GG last year, in case you find any of it useful (this is focused on Y-DNA): https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8eigUEXUAvlMkFweDdHVzdMN2c/edit Greg On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Karla Huebner via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I'll be presenting next week on DNA for genealogy and while I do have some > Powerpoints that Tim Janzen and others kindly posted online, perhaps it > makes sense now to ask what the most recent or best materials are that > people are willing to share. > > I will be going over the basics of Y, MtDNA, and autosomal for an audience > of genealogists who range from complete beginners at DNA to those who have > some experience but would like a refresher. This is a newly formed DNA > interest group within our local genealogy society. > > I'm told we will have wifi access so at least in theory I can also tour > some of the major blogs and the ISOGG site, etc. > > Thanks, > > Karla > >

I just got a note from a person who associated with FTDNA who is looking into this. Janis will probably hear directly about the situation. Ann On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Ann Turner <dnacousins@gmail.com> wrote: > If I recall correctly, the match reports aren't quite symmetrical when > heteroplasmy is involved. The person with the heteroplasmic mutation can > see people who don't have a mutation at that position, but not vice versa. > > Ann Turner > > On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Janis L Gilmore via < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> I have been not done much with mtDNA, focussing more on atDNA and Y-DNA. >> As a result, I have just noticed (though we tested several years ago), that >> my mother and I do not appear on one another’s match list at FTDNA. >> However, our list of top matches is identical, including the genetic >> distances from those matches. >> >> Is this just a technical error on the part of FTDNA? Heteroplasmy was >> suggested to me, but that wouldn’t be the case if our matches and genetic >> distances are the same, would it? >> >> Janis Walker Gilmore >> Pawleys Island, SC >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

If I recall correctly, the match reports aren't quite symmetrical when heteroplasmy is involved. The person with the heteroplasmic mutation can see people who don't have a mutation at that position, but not vice versa. Ann Turner On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Janis L Gilmore via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I have been not done much with mtDNA, focussing more on atDNA and Y-DNA. > As a result, I have just noticed (though we tested several years ago), that > my mother and I do not appear on one another’s match list at FTDNA. > However, our list of top matches is identical, including the genetic > distances from those matches. > > Is this just a technical error on the part of FTDNA? Heteroplasmy was > suggested to me, but that wouldn’t be the case if our matches and genetic > distances are the same, would it? > > Janis Walker Gilmore > Pawleys Island, SC > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Direct comparison of your respective mtgenome mutations could give an answer to this technical *non-match*. Where can we see these mutations? In the H+HV haplogroup project at FTDNA? Jacques Beaugrand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janis L Gilmore via" <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: "Genealogy DNA List" <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 11:07 AM Subject: [DNA] mtDNA oddity on FTDNA >I have been not done much with mtDNA, focussing more on atDNA and Y-DNA. As >a result, I have just noticed (though we tested several years ago), that my >mother and I do not appear on one another’s match list at FTDNA. However, >our list of top matches is identical, including the genetic distances from >those matches. > > Is this just a technical error on the part of FTDNA? Heteroplasmy was > suggested to me, but that wouldn’t be the case if our matches and genetic > distances are the same, would it? > > Janis Walker Gilmore > Pawleys Island, SC > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- L'absence de virus dans ce courrier électronique a été vérifiée par le logiciel antivirus Avast. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

I have been not done much with mtDNA, focussing more on atDNA and Y-DNA. As a result, I have just noticed (though we tested several years ago), that my mother and I do not appear on one another’s match list at FTDNA. However, our list of top matches is identical, including the genetic distances from those matches. Is this just a technical error on the part of FTDNA? Heteroplasmy was suggested to me, but that wouldn’t be the case if our matches and genetic distances are the same, would it? Janis Walker Gilmore Pawleys Island, SC

List A small set of Venezuelan mtDNA sequences has appeared on the genBank databae. They accompany the paper (abstract below): Lee,E.J. and Merriwether,D.A. 'Identification of Whole Mitochondrial Genomes from Venezuela and Implications on Regional Phylogenies in South America' Hum. Biol. 87 (1), 29-38 (2015) The sequence belong to Haplogroups: A, A2, B2l, c1b, C1c, C1d1 and D1 As usual I have added the sequences to my 'Checker' program to ensure accuracy of transcription. Ian www.ianlogan.co.uk --------------------------- Abstract Recent studies have expanded and refined the founding haplogroups of the Americas using whole mitochondrial (mtDNA) genome analysis. In addition to pan-American lineages, specific variants have been identified in a number of studies that show higher frequencies in restricted geographical areas. To further characterize Native American maternal lineages and specifically examine local patterns within South America, we analyzed 12 maternally unrelated Yekuana whole mtDNA genomes from one village (Sharamaña) that include the four major Native American haplogroups A2, B2, C1, and D1. Based on our results, we propose a reconfiguration of one subhaplogroup A2 (A2aa) that is specific to South America and identify other singleton branches across the four haplogroups. Furthermore, we show nucleotide diversity values that increase from north to south for haplogroups C1 and D1. The results from our work add to the growing mitogenomic data that highlight local phylogenies and support the rapid genetic differentiation of South American populations, which has been correlated with the linguistic diversity in the region by previous studies. ------------- KM656453(Venezuela) Lee Haplogroup B2l 14-OCT-2015 A73G G207A A263G 309.1C 315.1C G499A G513A C522- A523- A750G A827G A1438G A2706G A3547G A3721G A4769G G4820A T4977C C6473T C7028T T7238C C8281- C8282- C8283- C8284- C8285- T8286- C8287- T8288- A8289- A8860G T9950C C11177T G11719A A12490G A13200T G13590A C14766T A15326G C15535T A16183- T16189C 16193.1C T16217C T16288C T16311C T16422C T16519C KM656454(Venezuela) Lee Haplogroup B2l 14-OCT-2015 A73G G207A A263G 309.1C 315.1C G499A G513A C522- A523- A750G A827G A1438G A2706G A3547G A3721G A4769G G4820A T4977C C6473T C7028T T7238C C8281- C8282- C8283- C8284- C8285- T8286- C8287- T8288- A8289- A8860G T9950C C11177T G11719A A12490G A13200T G13590A C14766T A15326G C15535T A16183- T16189C 16193.1C T16217C T16288C T16311C T16422C T16519C KM656455(Venezuela) Lee Haplogroup C1c 14-OCT-2015 A73G T146C A249- A263G A290- A291- 315.1C T489C A750G A1438G G1888A A2362G A2706G T3552A C4052T A4715G A4769G C7028T C7196A T8310C T8380C A8565G G8584A A8701G A8860G T9540C A9545G A10398G C10400T T10873C G11719A G11914A C12705T A13263G T14318C C14766T T14783C G15043A G15301A A15326G A15487T G15930A C16223T T16298C T16325C C16327T KM656456(Venezuela) Lee Haplogroup C1d1 14-OCT-2015 A73G C150T A189G A249- A263G A290- A291- 309.1C 315.1C T489C A750G C1100T A1438G A2706G T3552A A4715G A4769G G5231A C7028T C7196A G7697A G8584A A8701G A8860G G9053A T9540C A9545G A10398G C10400T C10619T G10646A T10873C G11719A G11914A G12501A C12705T T14318C C14766T T14783C G15043A G15301A A15326G A15487T A15758G A16051G T16189C T16298C T16325C C16327T T16519C KM656457(Venezuela) Lee Haplogroup A2 14-OCT-2015 C64T A73G G143A T146C A153G A235G A263G 309.1C 315.1C A663G A750G A1438G A1736G A2706G T4248C A4769G A4824G C7028T G8027A A8491G C8794T A8860G T10237C G11719A G12007A C12568T C12705T C12858T C14766T A15326G C16111T C16223T C16266T C16290T G16319A T16362C KM656458(Venezuela) Lee Haplogroup A2 14-OCT-2015 C64T A73G G143A T146C A153G A235G A263G 309.1C 315.1C A663G A750G C1100T A1438G A1736G A2706G C3495G T4248C A4769G A4824G C6371T C7028T G8027A A8491G C8794T A8860G T10237C G11719A G12007A C12705T C12858T C14766T A15326G C16111T C16223T C16266T C16290T G16319A T16362C KM656459(Venezuela) Lee Haplogroup A 14-OCT-2015 C64T A73G T146C A153G A235G A263G T279C 309.1C 315.1C C522- A523- A663G A750G A1438G A1736G T2267G A2706G G3834A T4248C A4769G T6842C C7028T G8027A C8794T A8860G G11719A G12007A A12509M C12705T C14766T A15218G A15244G A15326G C16223T C16290T G16319A T16362C G16526A KM656460(Venezuela) Lee Haplogroup C1b 14-OCT-2015 A73G T146C A249- A263G A290- A291- 309.1C 315.1C T489C A493G C522- A523- A750G A1438G A2706G T3552A T4454C A4715G A4769G G6267A C7028T C7196A G8584A T8634C A8701G A8860G A8901G T9540C A9545G A10398G C10400T T10873C G11719A G11914A C12705T A13263G T14318C C14766T T14783C G15043A G15301A A15326G A15487T T16092C C16223T C16256T T16298C T16325C C16327T T16362C KM656461(Venezuela) Lee Haplogroup C1b 14-OCT-2015 A73G A249- A263G A290- A291- 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C T489C A493G C522- A523- A750G A1438G A2706G T3552A A4715G A4769G T6278C C7028T C7196A G7853A G8584A A8701G A8860G G8896A A9359G T9540C A9545G A10398G C10400T T10873C G11719A G11914A C12505T C12705T A13263G C13521T C13802T T14318C C14766T T14783C G15043A G15301A A15326G A15487T C16223T T16298C A16309G A16317G T16325C C16327T KM656462(Venezuela) Lee Haplogroup A 14-OCT-2015 C64T A73G T146C A235G A263G 315.1C C338T C522- A523- A663G A750G A1438G A1736G A2706G T4248C A4769G A4824G C5456T G6734A C7028T G8027A C8794T A8860G C10631Y G11719A G12007A C12705T T13437C C14766T A15326G A15924G C16111T C16188T T16189C C16223T A16240G C16290T G16319A T16362C T16381C KM656463(Venezuela) Lee Haplogroup D1 14-OCT-2015 T57C T58G 60.1T A73G A263G 309.1C 315.1C T482C T489C A750G A1438G C2092T A2706G G3010A A4769G C4883T C5178A G5585A T5786C C7028T C8414T A8701G A8860G T9540C A10398G C10400T T10873C G11719A C12568T C12705T A14280G G14384A C14668T C14766T T14783C G15043A G15301A A15326G C16223T T16325C T16362C KM656464(Venezuela) Lee Haplogroup C1b 14-OCT-2015 A73G A249- A263G A290- A291- 309.1C 315.1C T489C A493G C522- A523- A750G A1438G A2706G T3552A A4715G A4769G C6228T T6278C C7028T C7196A G7853A G8584A A8701G A8860G G8896A A9359G T9540C A9545G A10398G C10400T T10873C G11719A G11914A C12705T A13263G C13521T C13802T T14318C C14766T T14783C G15043A G15301A A15326G A15487T C16223T T16298C A16309G A16317G T16325C C16327T

I'm E-V13 as well, positive for **PF2211**/**V13**, **PF2210**/**V36 **(and not tested for L142.1, L542/PF2220, Page102) which puts me into **E1b1b1a1b1a** No match from my STR on 67 markers, seems my Italian heritage from Asiago (the Basso line is proven by documents back to 12xx when they arrived from Germany in Asiago) is too rare or no one has tested from that area yet. Please keep me (and others) updated on the V13 SNP pack results, Jim! Andreas (WEST) born BASSO My ancestors: [http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family- Tree-23](http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family-Tree-23) "Jim Bartlett via" <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I am an E-V13, and then took the Big-Y. Based on about 30 other V13s > worldwide, we now have 3 more levels under V13, and I'm in one subgroup with > another man on our own SNP (with plenty of other SNPs awaiting analysis) > > In the BARTLETT Y-DNA project there are several others with matching STRs. > I've recommended that they take the relatively cheap V13 SNP pack. I presume > since our MRCA is 300 years ago, that they would also be V13 and very > probably have the same downstream SNPs I do. We are going to find out as one > is doing the pack. This SNP pack (coupled with STR matches with me) should > let them jump to a terminal SNP at very low cost - we'll see... > > Jim - www.segmentology.org > > > On Oct 15, 2015, at 7:58 PM, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy- > dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > > I agree--comparisons are everything so I hesitate to encourage anyone to > order Big-Y unless we know that we will have a good comparison. In the case > of Britton Group 3, since we appear to have two distantly related branches, > the ideal comparison would be one test for each branch. > > > > Lindsey > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Katie Rennie <katerennie4@gmail.com> > > To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy- > dna@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 1:42 pm > > Subject: Re: [DNA] Advice Needed RE: Big-Y Comparisons for E-M35 > > > > > > > > Looking at the FTDNA group results, it looks like there's at least a few > people who have taken the Big-Y. > > > > > > https://www.familytreedna.com/public/E3b?iframe=ysnp > > > > > > > > I'd probably contact one of the admins to see what they think. > > > > > > There's also a message board, though I haven't been there in a while and am > unable to find a link at work. Maybe someone else can send it. My > grandfather and my grandmother's father were also both E, (E-M84 and E-V13) > so I'd be interested in the conclusion whether to test or not. My > grandfather died last year so what FTDNA has is all that will ever be able to > be tested. > > > > > > This is jmho, I'll preface and say that my interactions with Big-Y results > have been limited but from what I've seen in another project, you really need > at least 2 people to test because the majority of the use is in the > comparison. So if one of his other Britton E-M35's tested, that would be > where the greatest use would lie. > > > > > > Katie > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy- > dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > > Britton Group 3 traces its ancestry to the island of Jersey c 1500 or > before and belongs to Haplogroup E-M35. etc. One member has inquired about > Big-Y. If he orders the test, how many good comparisons, of possible > genealogical value, is he likely to have? I would appreciate any suggestions > from experts on this Haplogroup. > > > > https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Britton?iframe=ycolorized > > > > Lindsey > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message

If you are able to get them to retest, we would love to have them join the Jefferson/Hemings DNA Project. CeCe On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Sam Sloan <samhsloan@gmail.com> wrote: > Minnie Shumate Woodson was a nice lady. I spoke to her many times on the telephone and exchanged letters with her. This was before email existed. She was a meticulous researcher and made many great discoveries. Genealogy owes her many great debts.However, she was trying to prove a theory that was unprovible because it was just wrong. Her theory was that the ancestor of her husband, Tom Woodson, was the same person as the “high Yellow” Tom described by James Thompson Callender.In order to prove this she had to explain away several problems with her theory. One problem concerned the fact that Sally Hemings was pregnant in 1789 when she arrived in Virginia after spending three years in France. This means that her child must have been born in 1789 or in 1790.However, Tom Woodson married Jemima in Greenbriar in what is now West Virginia. Jemima had been born in 1783. Their first child was born in Greenbriar County, Virginia (now West Virginia) in 1806. So, Tom was 16 and his wife Jemima was 23 when the child was born. It is unusual for a woman to marry such a young boy.Remember that it cannot be that somebody other than Tom was the father of Jemina's baby because then Thomas Jefferson would not have been the father of them at all.I explain these points on pages 100, 101 and 105 of my book The Slave Children of Thomas Jefferson.Minnie Shumate Woodson's 1987 book is “The Sable Curtain”. This title is based on the statement by muckraker James Thompson Callender that Tom, the son of a “wrench named Sally”, bore “An exact sable likeness to Thomas Jefferson.”Judith Price Justus self-published her book in 1991 entitled *Down from the Mountain: The Oral History of the Hemings Family, Are They the Black Descendants of Thomas Jefferson* Both of these women did a lot of work and made important discoveries, which I used in my own subsequent book “The Slave Children of Thomas Jefferson”.However, her theory that Tom had been “sent away” to the farm of Drury Woodson to hide the fact that he was Thomas Jefferson's son does not make sense. Thomas Jefferson never sent anyone away. He was also inviting more people. Moreover if he was going to send anybody away it would have been Sally herself. The fact that he never sent her away but retained her as a house slave inside Montecello until his death in 1826 and that he provided for her in his will and she was at his bedside when he died shows that he had a special relationship with Sally.Nevertheless, the descendants of Tom Woodson continue to insist that Thomas Jefferson was his father. They write books about this and even a member of this group is insisting that sometimes mistakes are made and DNA samples are contaminated.That is why I would like the whole batch of people re-tested and the results posted here so we can all read and research them.Sam Sloan > > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Finding Roots via < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> > >> > Hi Sam, >> > >> > I created the Hemings/Jefferson atDNA Project and took over both surname >> > projects at FTDNA after discovering that my brother-in-law is a direct >> > descendant. (Shannon Christmas is my co-admin.) I asked a descendant to >> > test and I now have the Jefferson Y-DNA haplotype out to 111 markers. >> This >> > is the only one of which I am aware. We are continuing work on the >> subject >> > using atDNA, but it is slow going, mostly because of my busy schedule. >> > >> >> Marleen, multiple different lines of descent from Thomas Woodman were >> > tested and none matched the Jefferson Y-DNA haplotype, so he cannot be >> > the son of Thomas Jefferson. >> > >> CeCe >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 09:59:51 -0700 >> > From: Marleen Van Horne <msvnhrn@jps.net> >> > Subject: Re: [DNA] Have new DNA tests been one on the Thomas Jefferson >> > >> > >> > ...snip >> > >> > The fact that the descendant of Thomas Woodson did not match the >> > Jefferson yDNA does not mean Woodson was not Jefferson's son, it just >> > means the line of descent was contaminated by stranger yDNA between the >> > life of Woodson and the testing of the Woodson descendant. >> > >> > ...snip >> > >> > Marleen Van Horne >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

List 12 new mtDNA sequences from FTDNA customers who have made their own submisssions have appeared on the GenBank database; together with a single submission to accompany the paper (unpublished so far): Ancora,M., Orsini,M., Colosimo,A., Marcacci,M., Russo,V., De Santo,M., D'Aurora,M., Stuppia,L., Barboni,B., Camma',C. and Gatta,V. 'Whole Genome sequence of Mitochodrial DNA from single oocyte' The sequences belong to Haplogroups: A, H1g1, H1m, H14a2, H15b, H56, I2, L2a1, M7b1a1f, T2b, U5a1a1, V18, Y2 As usual I have added the sequences to my 'Checker' program to ensure accuracy of transcription. Ian www.ianlogan.co.uk ---------------- KT861626 FTDNA Haplogroup H1m 14-OCT-2015 A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G G3010A A4767G A4769G A8860G G9438A G15323A A15326G C16278T T16519C KT868945(Han Chinese) FTDNA Haplogroup M7b1a1f 14-OCT-2015 A73G C150T T199C A263G 309.1C 315.1C T489C A750G A1438G A2706G G4048A C4071T A4164G A4769G A5351G G5460A C6455T T6680C C7028T T7684C G7853A T8110C A8701G A8860G T9540C T9824C A10398G C10400T T10873C G11150A G11719A G12192A C12405T C12705T T12811C A14257G C14553T C14766T T14783C G15043A G15301A A15326G G16129A C16192T C16223T T16271C T16297C KT868946(Han Chinese) FTDNA Haplogroup Y2 14-OCT-2015 A73G C151T T152C A263G 315.1C T482C C522- A523- A750G A1438G A2706G A4769G G5147A G5417A T6941C C7028T G7859A A7934G G8392A A8860G G9804A A10398G G11719A C12705T T13743C T14178C A14693G C14766T A14914G A15244G A15326G T16126C T16231C T16311C T16362C KT868947(Han Chinese) FTDNA Haplogroup A 14-OCT-2015 A73G T152C A235G A263G 315.1C C522- A523- C524T A663G A750G A1438G A1736G A2706G T4248C A4769G A4824G C7028T C8794T A8860G G11719A C12705T G13359A C14766T A15326G C16179T C16223T C16290T T16311C G16319A T16362C T16519C KT868948 FTDNA Haplogroup H1g1 14-OCT-2015 A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G G3010A A4769G A5582G T8602C A8860G T14212C A15326G T16189C T16519C KT869148 FTDNA Haplogroup H16b 14-OCT-2015 A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G A4769G A8860G C9129T T9707Y C10394T A15326G T16519C KT873302(Sweden) FTDNA Haplogroup H56 14-OCT-2015 A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G A4769G A8850G A8860G C11788T A15326G T16519C KT884832(Bulgaria) FTDNA Haplogroup H14a2 14-OCT-2015 T152C T195Y A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G A4769G G6182A T7389C T7645C A8296G A8860G A10217G T15262C A15326G C15886T C16256T T16352C KT886410(Sweden) FTDNA Haplogroup T2b-T152C 14-OCT-2015 A73G T152C A263G 315.1C G709A A750G G930A A1438G G1888A A2706G T4216C A4769G A4917G G5147A C7028T G8697A A8860G T10463C A11251G G11719A A11812G G13368A A14233G C14766T G14905A A15326G C15452A A15607G G15928A T16126C C16169T C16292T C16294T C16296T T16304C T16519C KT886411 FTDNA Haplogroup L2a1 14-OCT-2015 A73G G143A T146C T152C T195C A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G G769A G1018A A1438G T2416C A2706G C2789T C3594T A4104G A4769G G5460A C7028T T7175C C7256T C7274T G7521A A7771G G8206A A8701G A8860G A9221G T9540C T10115C T10873C G11719A G11914A T11944C A12693G C12705T G13590A C13623T C13650T A13803G A14566G C14766T G15301A A15326G T15784C T16093C T16189C C16192T C16223T C16278T C16294T A16309G G16390A KT886412(Norway) FTDNA Haplogroup I2 14-OCT-2015 A73G T152C G207A T250C A263G 309.1C 315.1C 573.1C 573.2C A750G A1438G G1719A A2706G A4529T A4769G C7028T G8251A A8860G T10034C T10238C A10398G G11719A T12285C G12501A C12705T A13780G C14766T G15043A A15326G T15394C A15758G A15924G G16129A C16223T G16391A T16519C KT886413 FTDNA Haplogroup V18 14-OCT-2015 T72C A263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C A508G A750G A1438G A2706G G4580A A4769G C7028T G7762A A8860G A14914C A15326G G15355A C15904T T16298C KT364276(Italy) Ancora Haplogroup U5a1a1 13-OCT-2015 A73G T199C A263G C309- 315.1C A750G A1438G T1700C A2706G T3197C C4239T A4769G T5495C C7028T A8860G G9477A A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A T13617C C14766T A14793G A15218G A15326G A15924G C16256T C16270T A16399G

Minnie Shumate Woodson was a nice lady. I spoke to her many times on the telephone and exchanged letters with her. This was before email existed. She was a meticulous researcher and made many great discoveries. Genealogy owes her many great debts.However, she was trying to prove a theory that was unprovible because it was just wrong. Her theory was that the ancestor of her husband, Tom Woodson, was the same person as the “high Yellow” Tom described by James Thompson Callender.In order to prove this she had to explain away several problems with her theory. One problem concerned the fact that Sally Hemings was pregnant in 1789 when she arrived in Virginia after spending three years in France. This means that her child must have been born in 1789 or in 1790.However, Tom Woodson married Jemima in Greenbriar in what is now West Virginia. Jemima had been born in 1783. Their first child was born in Greenbriar County, Virginia (now West Virginia) in 1806. So, Tom was 16 and his wife Jemima was 23 when the child was born. It is unusual for a woman to marry such a young boy.Remember that it cannot be that somebody other than Tom was the father of Jemina's baby because then Thomas Jefferson would not have been the father of them at all.I explain these points on pages 100, 101 and 105 of my book The Slave Children of Thomas Jefferson.Minnie Shumate Woodson's 1987 book is “The Sable Curtain”. This title is based on the statement by muckraker James Thompson Callender that Tom, the son of a “wrench named Sally”, bore “An exact sable likeness to Thomas Jefferson.”Judith Price Justus self-published her book in 1991 entitled *Down from the Mountain: The Oral History of the Hemings Family, Are They the Black Descendants of Thomas Jefferson* Both of these women did a lot of work and made important discoveries, which I used in my own subsequent book “The Slave Children of Thomas Jefferson”.However, her theory that Tom had been “sent away” to the farm of Drury Woodson to hide the fact that he was Thomas Jefferson's son does not make sense. Thomas Jefferson never sent anyone away. He was also inviting more people. Moreover if he was going to send anybody away it would have been Sally herself. The fact that he never sent her away but retained her as a house slave inside Montecello until his death in 1826 and that he provided for her in his will and she was at his bedside when he died shows that he had a special relationship with Sally.Nevertheless, the descendants of Tom Woodson continue to insist that Thomas Jefferson was his father. They write books about this and even a member of this group is insisting that sometimes mistakes are made and DNA samples are contaminated.That is why I would like the whole batch of people re-tested and the results posted here so we can all read and research them.Sam Sloan On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Finding Roots via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Sam, > > > > I created the Hemings/Jefferson atDNA Project and took over both surname > > projects at FTDNA after discovering that my brother-in-law is a direct > > descendant. (Shannon Christmas is my co-admin.) I asked a descendant to > > test and I now have the Jefferson Y-DNA haplotype out to 111 markers. > This > > is the only one of which I am aware. We are continuing work on the > subject > > using atDNA, but it is slow going, mostly because of my busy schedule. > > > > Marleen, multiple different lines of descent from Thomas Woodman were > > tested and none matched the Jefferson Y-DNA haplotype, so he cannot be > > the son of Thomas Jefferson. > > > CeCe > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 09:59:51 -0700 > > From: Marleen Van Horne <msvnhrn@jps.net> > > Subject: Re: [DNA] Have new DNA tests been one on the Thomas Jefferson > > > > > > ...snip > > > > The fact that the descendant of Thomas Woodson did not match the > > Jefferson yDNA does not mean Woodson was not Jefferson's son, it just > > means the line of descent was contaminated by stranger yDNA between the > > life of Woodson and the testing of the Woodson descendant. > > > > ...snip > > > > Marleen Van Horne > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Has anything further been found out about the similar (but less publicized) theory that the fourth president, James Madison, had slave descendants? News article in 2007-2008 talked of future Madison y-chromosome tests, but a followup in 2011 suggests that no tests were done (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/whatever-happened-to--the-possible-relative-of-james-madison/2011/09/27/gIQA9evGkL_story.html). Does anyone have Madison y-chromosome results? There doesn't seem to be a Madison project at FTDNA. On 10/15/2015 2:11 PM, Lee Ramsey via wrote: > For the Committee's Report Google - [Report of the Research Committee on > Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings] > > The 1998 report of the Thomas Jefferson committee states "Although paternity > cannot be established with absolute certainty, our evaluation of the best > evidence available suggests the strong likelihood that Thomas Jefferson and > Sally Hemings had a relationship over time that led to the birth of one, and > perhaps all, of the known children of Sally Hemings." > > The committee concludes that convincing evidence does not exist for the > hypothesis that another male Jefferson was the father of Sally Heming's > children. The committee's research included eight of the 25 Jefferson > descendants who warranted investigation as a possible father. The > historical evidence for Thomas Jefferson's paternity of Easton Hemings and > his known siblings overwhelmingly outweighs that for any other Jefferson. > > Lee > > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Belinda Dettmann< > belindadettmann@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > >> I thought the match did not necessarily prove Thomas Jefferson himself >> was the father Eston Hemmings but it could equally well have been any >> of Jefferson's cousins or nephews. -Belinda >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > . > >

I've seen this too intact fully over from at least 4 generations as well. On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Robert Paine via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > You passed your father's X-chromosome to your son with no or minimal > recombination. In my extended family project the X-was passed through the > mother intact about 20 to 25% of the time. My g-granddaughter had one of > her > X-chromosomes pass intact through both her grandmother and her mother. (She > shares a full X-match with her gg-grandmother. > > RPaine > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rita Ruff via > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 3:51 PM > To: GENEALOGY-DNA@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DNA] X-dna: Son shares none with maternal grandmother > > Hi- > I read the previous X Inheritance thread(very interesting) and decided to > check the X match between my son and my mother at 23andme. It was very > surprising to see they have no matching segment at all. At gedmatch, after > lowering the threshold to 1cM-100snps, their largest matching segment on X > was 3.2cM-288snps. Total X match 16.8cMs. Does this seem unusual, and does > that mean my son's X-matches are all from my dad's side? My son and I share > 196.1cM on the X. > Rita > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Lisa R Franklin RN,BSN Admin, Franklin Y DNA Project http://trackingyourroots.com/FranklinGenetics/ FranklinGenetics@gmail.com http://trackingyourroots.com/DNA (How To presentation (23andme), tips, & helps. *2**3**&**m**e**: **The World's Largest database & coincidentally the ONLY one with all the tools you need for genealogy and DNA!--* http://refer.23andme.com/v2/share/6158544791499756901/4672616e6b6c696e47656e657469637340676d61696c2e636f6d BEST GENETIC GENEALOGY BOOK! http://www.amazon.com/Genetic-Genealogy-Emily-D-Aulicino-ebook/dp/B00HJJWBU2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391174801&sr=8-1&keywords=Genetic+Genealogy