Hmm... my early email appears to have not posted properly. The cm count, and yes it is, total cms, is coming from the confidence level (Extremely high = more than 30 cms total shared, see http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Identical_by_descent#AncestryDNA for a full table) directly from Ancestry. Other tools may also produce this information, but it's still extremely vague. ( I don't think AncestryDNA helper records that information but I haven't worked with it a while, and I've not tried DNAGedcom for ancestry matches. ) On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Michael Fisher via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I imagine Peter is using dnagedcom,com 's tools, Either DNAGedcom Client > Tool or AncestryDNA helper, which produce files containing the CMs of > all matches (total of all CMs ?) which Ancestry uses to rank your > relationship to matches. > > Mike > > On 28/10/2015 23:30, Wjhonson via wrote: > > where are you seeing on Ancestry that you and your match are sharing > 30cms ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Oh I took "lower genetic distance" to mean "closer" not "smaller" -----Original Message----- From: jlerch1 via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 29, 2015 10:02 am Subject: [DNA] re Why is it that my U.S. cousins all shares less DNA amongst them but more with me? You got it backwards, Wjh--they're more related to him than to each other. The confusion arose since he said "lower genetic distance". The answer to Andreas' question most likely is: They triangulate to your mum, but do they all triangulate with your mum's mum or your mum's dad, and then on to your mum's mum's mum, mum' mum's dad....? So presumably at least some of them became their most related to each other through you by marriage. JAL Wjh wrote From: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> Subject: Re: [DNA] Why is it that my U.S. cousins all shares less DNA amongst them but more with me? To: ahnen@awest.de, genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <150b4471367-69a-8824@webprd-a16.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 The most likely case would be that they match each other on some other line as well. So they might be ninth cousins to you, but actually fifth cousins to each other. -----Original Message----- From: Andreas West via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 29, 2015 1:43 am Subject: [DNA] Why is it that my U.S. cousins all shares less DNA amongst them but more with me? Hi everyone, I hope to hear some of your views on the following: I'm seeing for a lot of my triangulated groups for my maternal side (they triangulate with both my mum and me, that's how I know which side) that the U.S. based (and been there for many generations) cousins have lower genetic distance and SNP's (hence shares less DNA) amongst themselves (means within the other U.S. based cousins) than they do share with us (and my mum is basically 99% German with ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
You got it backwards, Wjh--they're more related to him than to each other. The confusion arose since he said "lower genetic distance". The answer to Andreas' question most likely is: They triangulate to your mum, but do they all triangulate with your mum's mum or your mum's dad, and then on to your mum's mum's mum, mum' mum's dad....? So presumably at least some of them became their most related to each other through you by marriage. JAL Wjh wrote From: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> Subject: Re: [DNA] Why is it that my U.S. cousins all shares less DNA amongst them but more with me? To: ahnen@awest.de, genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <150b4471367-69a-8824@webprd-a16.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 The most likely case would be that they match each other on some other line as well. So they might be ninth cousins to you, but actually fifth cousins to each other. -----Original Message----- From: Andreas West via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 29, 2015 1:43 am Subject: [DNA] Why is it that my U.S. cousins all shares less DNA amongst them but more with me? Hi everyone, I hope to hear some of your views on the following: I'm seeing for a lot of my triangulated groups for my maternal side (they triangulate with both my mum and me, that's how I know which side) that the U.S. based (and been there for many generations) cousins have lower genetic distance and SNP's (hence shares less DNA) amongst themselves (means within the other U.S. based cousins) than they do share with us (and my mum is basically 99% German with
Peter, >>Does anyone know whether Ancestry have any plans to make this information available? One of the bloggers, sorry I don't remember who, blogged recently that ancestry had explicitly stated that no they are not going to provide a chromosome browser. Whereas you wont find the actual chromosome, nor the actual length without uploading to GEDmatch, you can work with the fuzzier data available by using the AncestryDNA Helper *offered by Jeff Snavely** **available as an extension to chrome* Lorna Henderson http://LornaHen.com On 29/10/15 12:18, Peter J Richardson via wrote: > Thanks for the reply. Presumably no way to tell whether the 30 cms is on chromesome 7 or 11? Presumbly the 30 cms is in a single location, not two lots of 15+cms? > > > > Does anyone know whether Ancestry have any plans to make this information available? > > > > Regards > > Peter > > > > From: taryn.flock@gmail.com [mailto:taryn.flock@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Taryn Flock > Sent: 28 October 2015 22:36 > To: Peter J Richardson <pjrich.ntl@googlemail.com>; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DNA] Matches on Ancestry > > > > Unfortunately there is no way to find information about the match beyond the confidence level (Extremely high = more than 30 cms total shared, see http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Identical_by_descent#AncestryDNA for a full table) directly from Ancestry. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
DNAGEDCOM Client scrapes the underlying cM totals from AncestryDNA. AncestryDNA appears to embed the actual segment locations elsewhere beyond the reach of DNAGEDCOM Client. I suspect GEDMatch and AncestryDNA are on different builds which would explain the reported difference in total shared DNA. Also, AncestryDNA's Timber algorithm omits any shared DNA segments identified as pileups, while GEDMatch does not; this too could account for the discrepancy. Very Respectfully, Shannon On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Wjhonson via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > how are you getting ancestry to provide the shared cms value? > My results do not show that > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Fisher via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > To: Taryn Flock <taryn.flock@att.net>; genealogy-dna < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, Oct 29, 2015 6:53 am > Subject: Re: [DNA] Matches on Ancestry > > > Hi > > This is the shared CMs column from DNAGedcom results in Excel on my > > AncestryDNA > results > > sharedCM > 844.827 > 43.964 > 34.998 > 31.067 > 23.817 > 21.391 > 20.459 > 20.248 > 20.151 > 19.652 > 19.652 > 19.538 > 19.394 > 18.987 > 18.436 > etc > > The first entry is a first cousin and on GEDmatch shares 952.6 CMs > The > 3rd is a match who on GEDmatch shares 60.3 CMs the fourth is 3rd's > father who > on GEDmatch shares 48.6 CMs > > Mike > > > ------------------------------- > To > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Mr. Shannon S. Christmas Chief Market Advisor | Design Strategist The Christmas Collective <http://christmascollective.wix.com/the-christmas-collective> Strategic Real Estate and Land Use Solutions New York, NY | Washington, DC P: 212.433.0586 | 202.618.1687 F: 1.888.788.5984 http://www.linkedin.com/in/shannonchristmas/
how are you getting ancestry to provide the shared cms value? My results do not show that -----Original Message----- From: Michael Fisher via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: Taryn Flock <taryn.flock@att.net>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 29, 2015 6:53 am Subject: Re: [DNA] Matches on Ancestry Hi This is the shared CMs column from DNAGedcom results in Excel on my AncestryDNA results sharedCM 844.827 43.964 34.998 31.067 23.817 21.391 20.459 20.248 20.151 19.652 19.652 19.538 19.394 18.987 18.436 etc The first entry is a first cousin and on GEDmatch shares 952.6 CMs The 3rd is a match who on GEDmatch shares 60.3 CMs the fourth is 3rd's father who on GEDmatch shares 48.6 CMs Mike ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Ancestry does not give you cm's to match to. So you cannot use dnagedcom to arrange your matches, since this information is not provided -----Original Message----- From: Michael Fisher <m.j.fisher@btinternet.com> To: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com>; pjrich.ntl <pjrich.ntl@googlemail.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 29, 2015 1:55 am Subject: Re: [DNA] Matches on Ancestry I imagine Peter is using dnagedcom,com 's tools, Either DNAGedcom Client Tool or AncestryDNA helper, which produce files containing the CMs of all matches (total of all CMs ?) which Ancestry uses to rank your relationship to matches. Mike On 28/10/2015 23:30, Wjhonson via wrote: > where are you seeing on Ancestry that you and your match are sharing 30cms ? > > > > >
The most likely case would be that they match each other on some other line as well. So they might be ninth cousins to you, but actually fifth cousins to each other. -----Original Message----- From: Andreas West via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 29, 2015 1:43 am Subject: [DNA] Why is it that my U.S. cousins all shares less DNA amongst them but more with me? Hi everyone, I hope to hear some of your views on the following: I'm seeing for a lot of my triangulated groups for my maternal side (they triangulate with both my mum and me, that's how I know which side) that the U.S. based (and been there for many generations) cousins have lower genetic distance and SNP's (hence shares less DNA) amongst themselves (means within the other U.S. based cousins) than they do share with us (and my mum is basically 99% German with some faint traces of Bohemian and maybe Volga Germans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga_Germans). Given my mums ancestry it's pretty clear that our common ancestor was German and they are all descendants of German immigrants that went over the pond somewhere in the last 200 years (from the first German settlers to maybe the 18 hundred migrations). So if that same ancestral segment was split up through generations (given the size of max 20 cM with a median of 10 cM for our matches in the TG's) then why is it that the randomness of DNA seems to favor more the German connection (us) than the U.S. connections (the other descendants of immigrants)? >From what I read it was common practice for the first settlers to marry within their own nationality/language/religious groups for the first couple of generations before mixing. Given that these settlers were mostly from small villages (which were overpopulated given the size of farms & food availability) consisting of "extended family" and they keep sending messages home about who much better the new world was, thus more of their close kin was following over and again cousin marriage happened. Whereas in Germany the poor living conditions either led to death or those remaining there been forced to move to a better place within Germany, in combination with the start of the industrial revolution and what are now big cities with lots of jobs (we just see this as a global phenomene happening again → the building of mega cities). So they had an opportunity to mix their DNA more than those immigrants in the U.S., correct? I'm wondering if anyone of you has some similar stories or theories as to why it's so. Like I wrote DNA is random, yet I see this happening way more often than not (the higher percentage of DNA with us Germans). This is a big mystery to me. Any feedback and comment is welcome. Thank you! Andreas (WEST) born BASSO My ancestors: [http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family- Tree-23](http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family-Tree-23) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I imagine Peter is using dnagedcom,com 's tools, Either DNAGedcom Client Tool or AncestryDNA helper, which produce files containing the CMs of all matches (total of all CMs ?) which Ancestry uses to rank your relationship to matches. Mike On 28/10/2015 23:30, Wjhonson via wrote: > where are you seeing on Ancestry that you and your match are sharing 30cms ? > > > > >
Hi everyone, I hope to hear some of your views on the following: I'm seeing for a lot of my triangulated groups for my maternal side (they triangulate with both my mum and me, that's how I know which side) that the U.S. based (and been there for many generations) cousins have lower genetic distance and SNP's (hence shares less DNA) amongst themselves (means within the other U.S. based cousins) than they do share with us (and my mum is basically 99% German with some faint traces of Bohemian and maybe Volga Germans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga_Germans). Given my mums ancestry it's pretty clear that our common ancestor was German and they are all descendants of German immigrants that went over the pond somewhere in the last 200 years (from the first German settlers to maybe the 18 hundred migrations). So if that same ancestral segment was split up through generations (given the size of max 20 cM with a median of 10 cM for our matches in the TG's) then why is it that the randomness of DNA seems to favor more the German connection (us) than the U.S. connections (the other descendants of immigrants)? From what I read it was common practice for the first settlers to marry within their own nationality/language/religious groups for the first couple of generations before mixing. Given that these settlers were mostly from small villages (which were overpopulated given the size of farms & food availability) consisting of "extended family" and they keep sending messages home about who much better the new world was, thus more of their close kin was following over and again cousin marriage happened. Whereas in Germany the poor living conditions either led to death or those remaining there been forced to move to a better place within Germany, in combination with the start of the industrial revolution and what are now big cities with lots of jobs (we just see this as a global phenomene happening again → the building of mega cities). So they had an opportunity to mix their DNA more than those immigrants in the U.S., correct? I'm wondering if anyone of you has some similar stories or theories as to why it's so. Like I wrote DNA is random, yet I see this happening way more often than not (the higher percentage of DNA with us Germans). This is a big mystery to me. Any feedback and comment is welcome. Thank you! Andreas (WEST) born BASSO My ancestors: [http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family- Tree-23](http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family-Tree-23)
Yay Dick...Glad to hear your coming... Derrell On 10/28/15, Jennifer Zinck via wrote: Glad to hear you got a spot. See you there! Jen Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 28, 2015, at 1:49 PM, RICHARD KENYON via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi,I just got the good news that I will be able to attend the Project Administrator's conference, Nov 13-15, 2015 in Houston, Texas. I had waited too long to register before they reached their limit, so thought I was shut out. I just got a phone call, saying that there had been a cancellation, so I immediately signed up. I've attended all of them except the very first one. I think this will make the 10th one I've attended. There are several very interesting talks and many interesting people, many from outside the US.Please let me know if there's anything you would like me to ask about.Dick > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Unfortunately my understanding is that the the answer to all of your questions is no. I believe that the total cms shared are exactly that, not the length of the longest segment (but Ancestry's pseudo phasing proprietary pre-processing probably reduce the the number of short noisy segments that add to the total.) On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Peter J Richardson via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Thanks for the reply. Presumably no way to tell whether the 30 cms is on > chromesome 7 or 11? Presumbly the 30 cms is in a single location, not two > lots of 15+cms? > > > > Does anyone know whether Ancestry have any plans to make this information > available? > > > > Regards > > Peter > > > > From: taryn.flock@gmail.com [mailto:taryn.flock@gmail.com] On Behalf Of > Taryn Flock > Sent: 28 October 2015 22:36 > To: Peter J Richardson <pjrich.ntl@googlemail.com>; > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DNA] Matches on Ancestry > > > > Unfortunately there is no way to find information about the match beyond > the confidence level (Extremely high = more than 30 cms total shared, see > http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Identical_by_descent#AncestryDNA for a full > table) directly from Ancestry. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Thanks for the reply. Presumably no way to tell whether the 30 cms is on chromesome 7 or 11? Presumbly the 30 cms is in a single location, not two lots of 15+cms? Does anyone know whether Ancestry have any plans to make this information available? Regards Peter From: taryn.flock@gmail.com [mailto:taryn.flock@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Taryn Flock Sent: 28 October 2015 22:36 To: Peter J Richardson <pjrich.ntl@googlemail.com>; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DNA] Matches on Ancestry Unfortunately there is no way to find information about the match beyond the confidence level (Extremely high = more than 30 cms total shared, see http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Identical_by_descent#AncestryDNA for a full table) directly from Ancestry.
Unfortunately there is no way to find information about the match beyond the confidence level (Extremely high = more than 30 cms total shared, see http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Identical_by_descent#AncestryDNA for a full table) directly from Ancestry. On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Peter J Richardson via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello, > > > > I have recently done an autosomal test through Ancestry, and I have found a > new match, but I was wondering whether there was any way to establish which > are the matching sequences other than trying to persuade my match to upload > their data to gedmatch? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Peter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hello, I have recently done an autosomal test through Ancestry, and I have found a new match, but I was wondering whether there was any way to establish which are the matching sequences other than trying to persuade my match to upload their data to gedmatch? Thanks in advance Peter
Hi Peter, Acquiring the information you seek requires you and your matches to upload your raw DNA data files to GEDMatch. Very Respectfully, Shannon On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Taryn Flock via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > wrote: > Unfortunately my understanding is that the the answer to all of your > questions is no. I believe that the total cms shared are exactly that, not > the length of the longest segment (but Ancestry's pseudo phasing > proprietary pre-processing probably reduce the the number of short noisy > segments that add to the total.) > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Peter J Richardson via < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Thanks for the reply. Presumably no way to tell whether the 30 cms is on > > chromesome 7 or 11? Presumbly the 30 cms is in a single location, not two > > lots of 15+cms? > > > > > > > > Does anyone know whether Ancestry have any plans to make this information > > available? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > From: taryn.flock@gmail.com [mailto:taryn.flock@gmail.com] On Behalf Of > > Taryn Flock > > Sent: 28 October 2015 22:36 > > To: Peter J Richardson <pjrich.ntl@googlemail.com>; > > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DNA] Matches on Ancestry > > > > > > > > Unfortunately there is no way to find information about the match beyond > > the confidence level (Extremely high = more than 30 cms total shared, see > > http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Identical_by_descent#AncestryDNA for a full > > table) directly from Ancestry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Mr. Shannon S. Christmas Chief Market Advisor | Design Strategist The Christmas Collective <http://christmascollective.wix.com/the-christmas-collective> Strategic Real Estate and Land Use Solutions New York, NY | Washington, DC P: 212.433.0586 | 202.618.1687 F: 1.888.788.5984 http://www.linkedin.com/in/shannonchristmas/
where are you seeing on Ancestry that you and your match are sharing 30cms ? -----Original Message----- From: Peter J Richardson via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 28, 2015 4:22 pm Subject: Re: [DNA] Matches on Ancestry Thanks for the reply. Presumably no way to tell whether the 30 cms is on chromesome 7 or 11? Presumbly the 30 cms is in a single location, not two lots of 15+cms? Does anyone know whether Ancestry have any plans to make this information available? Regards Peter From: taryn.flock@gmail.com [mailto:taryn.flock@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Taryn Flock Sent: 28 October 2015 22:36 To: Peter J Richardson <pjrich.ntl@googlemail.com>; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DNA] Matches on Ancestry Unfortunately there is no way to find information about the match beyond the confidence level (Extremely high = more than 30 cms total shared, see http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Identical_by_descent#AncestryDNA for a full table) directly from Ancestry. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
FWIW: From the 23andMe.ca (Canada), "Terms of Service", Clause 28 (2) Applicable law and arbitration "...any disputes with 23andMe arising out of or relating to the TOS shall be governed by the laws of Ontario..."
Can someone attending please coordinate the annual Jewish DNA dinner? I will gladly drive crosstown again that Saturday evening.
Does this apply to people in other countries who have tested with what you regard as your countries companies? Mike On 28/10/2015 18:07, Patti Easton via wrote: > For those wanting further statutes and info regarding the rights of a > deceased person's health information: > > > > 45 CFR 160.103 > > > > https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/45/160.103 > > > > http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/coveredentities/decedents > .html > > > > Obviously everything is open to interpretation even for attorneys. > > Patti Easton > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >