Did you and all your matches export to Gedmatch? Otherwise you're not verified as per DNA, even though it has a high likelihood given the paper trail but you're only ICW and might not triangulate with all in your DNA circle. Unless I understand DNA circles wrong and Ancestry does the triangulation for you automatically to form a DNA circle but I think they only do ICW and not triangulation. Can someone with better knowledge of their algorithms comment and explain? Andreas > On Oct 30, 2015, at 23:06, Patti Easton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > For me, I match someone in that circle to a MCRA, and I can document their > paper trail and paper my trail to that ancestor. Maybe I should have used > better wording. I match people in these circles through traditional > research and DNA. I have a few circles with 10+ people in it-- I might not > match all participants, but I match some. I guess I am fairly lucky to have > as many circles. > > I would suggest looking at these circles and mapping their genealogies. > Work up your tree, then back down. > Good luck, > Patti > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter J Richardson > via > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 8:38 AM > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DNA] Matches on Ancestry Circles > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patti Easton via > Sent: 30 October 2015 13:05 > To: 'Doris Wheeler' <doriswh@gmail.com>; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DNA] Matches on Ancestry Circles > >> I have 6 circles, all with verified connections. Interesting. > > How does a connection become verified? Is that something that I as a user > do? > > Regards > Peter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Concomitant with Jim's mention (below) of asterisks, has anyone come up with an optimal way to "mark," in a family tree (whichever PC program or online tree creation site you use), the degree to which a relationship has been confirmed by DNA? I'm thinking of a kind of heat map. If I could mark in my tree that there's simply no doubt that I'm my parents' kid (because DNA "proves" it), and similarly cousins, and 2nd cousins etc. ... but some of these relationships are "sure" (really close ones) and some are merely "more sure than if I didn't have DNA" (7th cousins) ... ? I'm looking for some way to start building a "wisdom of the crowds" tree *which takes account of DNA*. Similarly, is there any GEDCOM-standard way of attaching a GEDmatch kit number to a person's record? > From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bartlett via > I've found that Circles depend primarily on the basic info for each ancestor: > name, dates, places. If you and another Match list the same info, you'll get a > Circle. If either of you inserts an asterisk (or an Ahnentafel number, or a middle

Hi Peter, Glad to be of help. I'm not familiar with any of the research on your family, but the fact that you and your match show different mothers for Samuel Farrant is certainly going to affect whether Ancestry creates DNA Circles. Karla On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Peter J Richardson via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello Karla, > > > > Thanks for the suggestion. > > > > Looking deeper into it my new match is for Samuel Farrant (c.1756-1818) > and Mary Bond (c.1758-1814) of Axminster in Devon. My tree shows Samuel as > being the son of Robert Farrant and Elizabeth Hayman, whereas my match > shows Samuel as being the son of Robert Farrant and Elizabeth Sprague so > maybe that is an example of “the wrong ancestor”? > > > > Regards > > Peter > > > > > > > > From: Karla Huebner [mailto:calypsospots@gmail.com] > Sent: 30 October 2015 13:05 > To: Peter J Richardson <pjrich.ntl@googlemail.com>; > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DNA] Matches on Ancestry > > > > Peter, > > > > I too have found the associated trees at Ancestry easier to work with than > FTDNA's trees (can often at least assign a match to a grandparent's line), > and have not yet used the second-party tools for Ancestry, but regarding > DNA Circles, I would suggest you read Roberta Estes's blog posts about them > at http://dna-explained.com/. Quite a few things can affect whether a DNA > Circle is created, including minor spelling differences, besides which that > DNA Circles sometimes involve the wrong "ancestor". > > > > Karla > > > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 6:38 AM, Peter J Richardson via < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com <mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > The problem I'm finding though is that the submitted trees on FTDNA are not > easy to follow and I suspect that GEDMatch is for the dedicated DNA > researcher, so I am struggling to get enough data to identify the many > unidentified matches that I have. I thought that the recent testing > initiative on Ancestry would make DNA testing more mainstream and with the > more extensive trees on there I would find more data to work with, so I did > a test on there. I have indeed found more matches including one which the > ancestors in common can be found and would like to be able to use this > match > to make more sense of my FTDNA & Gedmatch matches. > > I am not actually familiar with the tools Mike mentions (and wonder whether > they might give me the information I am after?). I also notice that > Ancestry > seems to have "DNA circles" for Charles Aldous, and also for his parents > but > does not seem to have any "DNA circles" for the ancestors I have in common > with the new match I have found and I wonder why not. > > Regards > Peter > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com

I have wanted to add icons to my matches but still having trouble creating icons to use! i am not an expert so if someone has some good DNA Icons to share I would appreciate it! On the other side of that, I found a tree that had marked her entire family with a helio icon and says her whole tree has been confirmed with DNA testing!!! Really???? Margo ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Ernest Kapphahn via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: Eric S Johnson <crates@oneotaslopes.org>, genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DNA] Matches on Ancestry Circles Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:05:28 -0700 When I triangulate a match or receive an Ancestry DNA Leaf I add a leaf photo as the primary photo so that it shows up on my tree at Ancestry. I consider it a confirmation if the tree branch continues to show "leaves". If a branch has one leaf and no more for the person's ancestors, then I start to question the branch. Ernie On 10/30/2015 9:34 AM, Eric S Johnson via wrote: > Concomitant with Jim's mention (below) of asterisks, has anyone come up with > an optimal way to "mark," in a family tree (whichever PC program or online > tree creation site you use), the degree to which a relationship has been > confirmed by DNA? I'm thinking of a kind of heat map. If I could mark in my > tree that there's simply no doubt that I'm my parents' kid (because DNA > "proves" it), and similarly cousins, and 2nd cousins etc. ... but some of > these relationships are "sure" (really close ones) and some are merely "more > sure than if I didn't have DNA" (7th cousins) ... ? > I'm looking for some way to start building a "wisdom of the crowds" > tree *which takes account of DNA*. > > Similarly, is there any GEDCOM-standard way of attaching a GEDmatch kit > number to a person's record? > >> From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna- >> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bartlett via >> I've found that Circles depend primarily on the basic info for each > ancestor: >> name, dates, places. If you and another Match list the same info, you'll > get a >> Circle. If either of you inserts an asterisk (or an Ahnentafel number, or > a middle > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ Buffett’s New Enemy Buffett just confirmed his worst fear. Click here for his warning. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5633c4814b197448037f8st01duc

Hi David. Jost Hite 1685-1761 was a leader in the early 18th-century southward migration of Germans and Ulster Scots into the Shenandoah Valley. He appears many times in Chalkley's three volumes of 1745-1800 Augusta County court records, sometimes with his first name spelled or transcribed as Jest. You can find him here ... http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~chalkley/index.htm. At the bottom of that page are links to each of the three volumes. At the bottom of each of those pages is an index from which you can make your way to the various entries. There's also a memorial for him at www.findagrave.com, Memorial # 20847409. Loretta (Lynn) Layman -----Original Message----- From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Faux via Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 3:17 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DNA] German Emigrants: From the Neckar to the Shenandoah I have run into "Jost Hite" on a number of occasions. I recall once while researching the Van Meter family. Also he was the "featured ancestor" of Rob Lowe (I think) on "Who Do You Think You Are?" David. On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Lee Ramsey via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > wrote: > Doris's post on the Palatine migration. Read below my post. > > Lee > > -----Original Message----- > From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bonnie > Schrack via > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 1:04 PM > To: Genealogy-DNA@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DNA] German Emigrants: From the Neckar to the Shenandoah > > This is an interesting subject, as I have many ancestors of Germanic > origin from the Shenandoah region, but I can't figure out what > earlier posting Lee Ramsey was responding to. > > He wrote: > > One of these enterprising Germans was Hans Joist Hite... > > I believe some of my family had land that was originally patented by Hite. > > Bonnie > > -- > *Farther Back We All Connect* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Margo, Google it - there are pages of them out there. Jim Bartlett On 10/30/15, Margo Lurvey via<genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: I have wanted to add icons to my matches but still having trouble creating icons to use! i am not an expert so if someone has some good DNA Icons to share I would appreciate it! On the other side of that, I found a tree that had marked her entire family with a helio icon and says her whole tree has been confirmed with DNA testing!!! Really???? Margo ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Ernest Kapphahn via <[1]genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: Eric S Johnson <[2]crates@oneotaslopes.org>, [3]genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DNA] Matches on Ancestry Circles Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:05:28 -0700 When I triangulate a match or receive an Ancestry DNA Leaf I add a leaf photo as the primary photo so that it shows up on my tree at Ancestry. I consider it a confirmation if the tree branch continues to show "leaves". If a branch has one leaf and no more for the person's ancestors, then I start to question the branch. Ernie On 10/30/2015 9:34 AM, Eric S Johnson via wrote: > Concomitant with Jim's mention (below) of asterisks, has anyone come up with > an optimal way to "mark," in a family tree (whichever PC program or online > tree creation site you use), the degree to which a relationship has been > confirmed by DNA? I'm thinking of a kind of heat map. If I could mark in my > tree that there's simply no doubt that I'm my parents' kid (because DNA > "proves" it), and similarly cousins, and 2nd cousins etc. ... but some of > these relationships are "sure" (really close ones) and some are merely "more > sure than if I didn't have DNA" (7th cousins) ... ? > I'm looking for some way to start building a "wisdom of the crowds" > tree *which takes account of DNA*. > > Similarly, is there any GEDCOM-standard way of attaching a GEDmatch kit > number to a person's record? > >> From: g[4]enealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [[5]mailto:genealogy-dna- >> [6]bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bartlett via >> I've found that Circles depend primarily on the basic info for each > ancestor: >> name, dates, places. If you and another Match list the same info, you'll > get a >> Circle. If either of you inserts an asterisk (or an Ahnentafel number, or > a middle > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to G[7]ENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to G[8]ENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ BuffettâÂÂs New Enemy Buffett just confirmed his worst fear. Click here for his warning. [9]http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5633c4814b197448037f8st01duc ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to G[10]ENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com 2. mailto:crates@oneotaslopes.org 3. mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com 4. mailto:enealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com 5. mailto:genealogy-dna- 6. mailto:bounces@rootsweb.com 7. mailto:ENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com 8. mailto:ENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com 9. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5633c4814b197448037f8st01duc 10. mailto:ENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com

I think AncestryDNA uses "crowd sourcing" - when they get enough folks to agree they raise the confidence level. Jim Bartlett On 10/30/15, Peter J Richardson via<genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: -----Original Message----- From: g[1]enealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [[2]mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patti Easton via Sent: 30 October 2015 13:05 To: 'Doris Wheeler' <[3]doriswh@gmail.com>; [4]genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DNA] Matches on Ancestry Circles > I have 6 circles, all with verified connections. Interesting. How does a connection become verified? Is that something that I as a user do? Regards Peter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to G[5]ENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:enealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com 2. mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:doriswh@gmail.com 4. mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com 5. mailto:ENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com

I also use an icon but list the match user in notes. And I have an excel spreadsheet with matches listing site (ancestry, 23andme, gedmatch etc) and user name. My sheet is divided by paternal and maternal male and female, and I note the MCRA. When I'm bogged down in data it's certainly helpful. Regards, Patti Easton Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 30, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Margo Lurvey via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I have wanted to add icons to my matches but still having trouble creating icons to use! i am not an expert so if someone has some good DNA Icons to share I would appreciate it! > > On the other side of that, I found a tree that had marked her entire family with a helio icon and says her whole tree has been confirmed with DNA testing!!! Really???? > > Margo > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Ernest Kapphahn via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > To: Eric S Johnson <crates@oneotaslopes.org>, genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DNA] Matches on Ancestry Circles > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:05:28 -0700 > > When I triangulate a match or receive an Ancestry DNA Leaf I add a leaf > photo as the primary photo so that it shows up on my tree at Ancestry. > I consider it a confirmation if the tree branch continues to show > "leaves". If a branch has one leaf and no more for the person's > ancestors, then I start to question the branch. > Ernie > >> On 10/30/2015 9:34 AM, Eric S Johnson via wrote: >> Concomitant with Jim's mention (below) of asterisks, has anyone come up with >> an optimal way to "mark," in a family tree (whichever PC program or online >> tree creation site you use), the degree to which a relationship has been >> confirmed by DNA? I'm thinking of a kind of heat map. If I could mark in my >> tree that there's simply no doubt that I'm my parents' kid (because DNA >> "proves" it), and similarly cousins, and 2nd cousins etc. ... but some of >> these relationships are "sure" (really close ones) and some are merely "more >> sure than if I didn't have DNA" (7th cousins) ... ? >> I'm looking for some way to start building a "wisdom of the crowds" >> tree *which takes account of DNA*. >> >> Similarly, is there any GEDCOM-standard way of attaching a GEDmatch kit >> number to a person's record? >> >>> From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna- >>> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bartlett via >>> I've found that Circles depend primarily on the basic info for each >> ancestor: >>> name, dates, places. If you and another Match list the same info, you'll >> get a >>> Circle. If either of you inserts an asterisk (or an Ahnentafel number, or >> a middle >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ > Buffett’s New Enemy > Buffett just confirmed his worst fear. Click here for his warning. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5633c4814b197448037f8st01duc > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter, It's a crap shoot - really. For any given part of your parent's DNA you have a 50/50 chance of which chromosome parts you get, and your sister does too. What you got has no bearing on what she got. Any particular area has 4 alternative versions: A. you got it your sister did not B. you both got it C. she got it and you did not D. neither of you got it. On average for all of your DNA, those 4 will be about 25% each; but on any particular chromosome, there are often wild swings. If you like playing with the math - in total, or any chromosome: A+B=.5 B+C= .5 A+B+C+D=1 (where 1 is the total for two sets of autosomes, or two chromosomes, depending on which you are looking at; 0.5 would give you one set of chromosome, or all of one chromosome) You'll find A=C and B=D in all cases; A can range from 0 to .5. Have fun, Jim Bartlett On 10/30/15, Peter J. Roberts via<genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: For example my father's chromosome 3 (which he got from his mother) from 50 million to 80 million is most similar with persons from Iberia.à My father's chromosome 3 (which he got from his father) from 50 million to 80 million mostly matches people from Scandinavia.à Is it likely that area of my father's chromosome 3 will appear to mostly match people from "Northern France" (because it is between Iberia and Scandinavia? If so, then my chromosome 3 from my father from 50 million to 80 million is most similar with persons from "Northern France".à Let us say all of my mother's ancestry is from Japan and the chromosome 3 which I received from her mostly matches people from Japan on the area from 50 to 80 million. What could my sister's admixture look like in that same area?à How might it appear different from mine?à Could she look mostlyà "French" and I look mostly east Asian from 50 to 80 million? Is there a better way to ask this question? Thanks and sincerely, Peter Peter J. Roberts[1]http://www.wikitree.com/ References 1. http://www.wikitree.com/

For example my father's chromosome 3 (which he got from his mother) from 50 million to 80 million is most similar with persons from Iberia.  My father's chromosome 3 (which he got from his father) from 50 million to 80 million mostly matches people from Scandinavia.  Is it likely that area of my father's chromosome 3 will appear to mostly match people from "Northern France" (because it is between Iberia and Scandinavia? If so, then my chromosome 3 from my father from 50 million to 80 million is most similar with persons from "Northern France".  Let us say all of my mother's ancestry is from Japan and the chromosome 3 which I received from her mostly matches people from Japan on the area from 50 to 80 million. What could my sister's admixture look like in that same area?  How might it appear different from mine?  Could she look mostly  "French" and I look mostly east Asian from 50 to 80 million? Is there a better way to ask this question? Thanks and sincerely, Peter Peter J. Robertshttp://www.wikitree.com/

Doris's post on the Palatine migration. Read below my post. Lee -----Original Message----- From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bonnie Schrack via Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 1:04 PM To: Genealogy-DNA@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DNA] German Emigrants: From the Neckar to the Shenandoah This is an interesting subject, as I have many ancestors of Germanic origin from the Shenandoah region, but I can't figure out what earlier posting Lee Ramsey was responding to. He wrote: One of these enterprising Germans was Hans Joist Hite... I believe some of my family had land that was originally patented by Hite. Bonnie -- *Farther Back We All Connect* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

He was Tim McGraw's ancestor. There was a scene with Tim in the National Archives looking at GW's diary where he talked about surveying Hite's land. On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 2:16 PM, David Faux via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I have run into "Jost Hite" on a number of occasions. I recall once while > researching the Van Meter family. Also he was the "featured ancestor" of > Rob Lowe (I think) on "Who Do You Think You Are?" > > David. > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Lee Ramsey via < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > wrote: > > > Doris's post on the Palatine migration. Read below my post. > > > > Lee > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bonnie Schrack > > via > > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 1:04 PM > > To: Genealogy-DNA@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DNA] German Emigrants: From the Neckar to the Shenandoah > > > > This is an interesting subject, as I have many ancestors of Germanic > origin > > from the Shenandoah region, but I can't figure out what earlier posting > > Lee > > Ramsey was responding to. > > > > He wrote: > > > > One of these enterprising Germans was Hans Joist Hite... > > > > I believe some of my family had land that was originally patented by > Hite. > > > > Bonnie > > > > -- > > *Farther Back We All Connect* > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

-----Original Message----- From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patti Easton via Sent: 30 October 2015 13:05 To: 'Doris Wheeler' <doriswh@gmail.com>; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DNA] Matches on Ancestry Circles > I have 6 circles, all with verified connections. Interesting. How does a connection become verified? Is that something that I as a user do? Regards Peter

Hello Karla, Thanks for the suggestion. Looking deeper into it my new match is for Samuel Farrant (c.1756-1818) and Mary Bond (c.1758-1814) of Axminster in Devon. My tree shows Samuel as being the son of Robert Farrant and Elizabeth Hayman, whereas my match shows Samuel as being the son of Robert Farrant and Elizabeth Sprague so maybe that is an example of “the wrong ancestor”? Regards Peter From: Karla Huebner [mailto:calypsospots@gmail.com] Sent: 30 October 2015 13:05 To: Peter J Richardson <pjrich.ntl@googlemail.com>; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DNA] Matches on Ancestry Peter, I too have found the associated trees at Ancestry easier to work with than FTDNA's trees (can often at least assign a match to a grandparent's line), and have not yet used the second-party tools for Ancestry, but regarding DNA Circles, I would suggest you read Roberta Estes's blog posts about them at http://dna-explained.com/. Quite a few things can affect whether a DNA Circle is created, including minor spelling differences, besides which that DNA Circles sometimes involve the wrong "ancestor". Karla On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 6:38 AM, Peter J Richardson via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com <mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > wrote: The problem I'm finding though is that the submitted trees on FTDNA are not easy to follow and I suspect that GEDMatch is for the dedicated DNA researcher, so I am struggling to get enough data to identify the many unidentified matches that I have. I thought that the recent testing initiative on Ancestry would make DNA testing more mainstream and with the more extensive trees on there I would find more data to work with, so I did a test on there. I have indeed found more matches including one which the ancestors in common can be found and would like to be able to use this match to make more sense of my FTDNA & Gedmatch matches. I am not actually familiar with the tools Mike mentions (and wonder whether they might give me the information I am after?). I also notice that Ancestry seems to have "DNA circles" for Charles Aldous, and also for his parents but does not seem to have any "DNA circles" for the ancestors I have in common with the new match I have found and I wonder why not. Regards Peter

I have had one that I could not prove since May but when i went onto My DNA today it had disappeared (as I wanted to look at it) ? Mike On 30/10/2015 13:04, Patti Easton via wrote: > I have 6 circles, all with verified connections. Interesting. > >

This is an interesting subject, as I have many ancestors of Germanic origin from the Shenandoah region, but I can't figure out what earlier posting Lee Ramsey was responding to. He wrote: One of these enterprising Germans was Hans Joist Hite... I believe some of my family had land that was originally patented by Hite. Bonnie -- *Farther Back We All Connect*

I have run into "Jost Hite" on a number of occasions. I recall once while researching the Van Meter family. Also he was the "featured ancestor" of Rob Lowe (I think) on "Who Do You Think You Are?" David. On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Lee Ramsey via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > wrote: > Doris's post on the Palatine migration. Read below my post. > > Lee > > -----Original Message----- > From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bonnie Schrack > via > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 1:04 PM > To: Genealogy-DNA@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DNA] German Emigrants: From the Neckar to the Shenandoah > > This is an interesting subject, as I have many ancestors of Germanic origin > from the Shenandoah region, but I can't figure out what earlier posting > Lee > Ramsey was responding to. > > He wrote: > > One of these enterprising Germans was Hans Joist Hite... > > I believe some of my family had land that was originally patented by Hite. > > Bonnie > > -- > *Farther Back We All Connect* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for the reminder, Lee. Jost Hite's daughter Magdelena b 1713 NY married Jacob Christman/Crismon, my 7th great grandparents. Their stone house south of Winchester is still inhabited, but has not been in the family for 200 years. I tell people the last president to work for my family was George Washington since he helped survey the Hite land. When I was in Alexandria, VA this summer I visited the George Washington Masonic National Memorial. I assume the field compass he used 1748 - 1751 was the one he used during that survey. Don On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Lee Ramsey via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > One of these enterprising Germans was Hans Joist Hite (Hans Justus Heyd) > who's birth was recorded in 1685 in the village church of Bonfeld in the > Neckar Valley of Germany, where he was later listed as a "linen weaver." > He married Anna Maria Merckle 11 Nov 1704. In 1709, he, his father and > their families joined over 13,000 other Germans in making their way to > Rotterdam and to London - the largest single group of immigrants in > colonial times. His father was then dead but Jost, his wife, infant > daughter and stepmother were among those who reached New York in 1710. > After several years in camp along the Hudson, Hite came to the Philadelphia > area where he purchased land in 1714 along the Skippack Creek. He sold > this shortly after he purchased a larger tract a few miles farther west on > the Perkiomen. There he built his home and a grist mill. He sold this > property in 1730, prior to obtaining rights to 140,000 acres of land in the > Shenandoah Valley of Virginia. > > Of Hite's grant, 100,000 acres was a grant from the Council of Virginia, > the other 40,000 acres had been granted to the Van Meters, whose rights > Hite purchased. Much earlier, King Charles II had made a large grant to > Lord Colepepper which by 1732 had been inherited by Thomas, Lord Fairfax; > this included the land granted to Hite. Later, this led to litigation > which was decided in favor of Hite long after both he and Fairfax were > dead. John Marshall, later Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, was the > lawyer for Fairfax; George Washington was among those who contributed to > the payment of Marshall's fee. At age 16, Washington had been engaged by > Lord Fairfax to conduct surveys in the Shenandoah Valley. Washington > admired the accomplishments of the Hites, writing to Capt. John Posey in > June, 1767,..."look to Frederick (County) and see what fortunes were made > by the Hites and the first takers of this land." > > Hite's grandson, Major Isaac Hite, Jr., was the builder of Belle Grove. > He married Nelly Conway Madison, a sister of James Madison. He studied at > William and Mary where he was elected to Phi Beta Kappa 27 Mar 1777, the > first man elected by the charter members. Later he served on the staff of > General Muhlenberg. Mrs. Francis Madison Beale, the 2nd wife of Jost > Hite's son, Jacob, was an aunt of James Madison. Sarah Hite, daughter of > Isaac Hite, Sr., married Jonathan Clark, brother of George Rogers Clark. > > Lee > > > Henry Z. Jones Jr., the highly respected genealogist who did an extensive > study of the Palatine migration in 1709-1710 and later, is firmly convinced > that Germans "traveled together and stayed together." These people were > primarily from the Palatinate (Rhine River) region, although the group > included some Swiss and others. My own family history reflects this. Of the > 300+ families that arrived in the Hudson Valley of New York State in > 300+ 1710, > I descend from more than 50, many of whom now proven by DNA. A great many > of their descendants remain in Columbia, Dutchess, Green and Ulster > Counties even today. In fact, in an effort to study the genetic patterns of > this group, I started a Palatine DNA Project at FTDNA many years ago. I'm > no longer associated with it, but it still survives and, hopefully, will > one day prove a useful database for someone. Jones also conducted studies > of other settlements of Germans in America, especially later in > Pennsylvania. The 1710 migration was the first large group to arrive in > America. > > Doris > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Peter " I also notice that Ancestry seems to have "DNA circles" for Charles Aldous, and also for his parents but does not seem to have any "DNA circles" for the ancestors I have in common with the new match I have found and I wonder why not. Regards Peter" If you go onto each of you Circle members and view match and click on "shared matches" and follow that line you can find more links. Mike Fisher in a now dry Droitwich.

One of these enterprising Germans was Hans Joist Hite (Hans Justus Heyd) who's birth was recorded in 1685 in the village church of Bonfeld in the Neckar Valley of Germany, where he was later listed as a "linen weaver." He married Anna Maria Merckle 11 Nov 1704. In 1709, he, his father and their families joined over 13,000 other Germans in making their way to Rotterdam and to London - the largest single group of immigrants in colonial times. His father was then dead but Jost, his wife, infant daughter and stepmother were among those who reached New York in 1710. After several years in camp along the Hudson, Hite came to the Philadelphia area where he purchased land in 1714 along the Skippack Creek. He sold this shortly after he purchased a larger tract a few miles farther west on the Perkiomen. There he built his home and a grist mill. He sold this property in 1730, prior to obtaining rights to 140,000 acres of land in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia. Of Hite's grant, 100,000 acres was a grant from the Council of Virginia, the other 40,000 acres had been granted to the Van Meters, whose rights Hite purchased. Much earlier, King Charles II had made a large grant to Lord Colepepper which by 1732 had been inherited by Thomas, Lord Fairfax; this included the land granted to Hite. Later, this led to litigation which was decided in favor of Hite long after both he and Fairfax were dead. John Marshall, later Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, was the lawyer for Fairfax; George Washington was among those who contributed to the payment of Marshall's fee. At age 16, Washington had been engaged by Lord Fairfax to conduct surveys in the Shenandoah Valley. Washington admired the accomplishments of the Hites, writing to Capt. John Posey in June, 1767,..."look to Frederick (County) and see what fortunes were made by the Hites and the first takers of this land." Hite's grandson, Major Isaac Hite, Jr., was the builder of Belle Grove. He married Nelly Conway Madison, a sister of James Madison. He studied at William and Mary where he was elected to Phi Beta Kappa 27 Mar 1777, the first man elected by the charter members. Later he served on the staff of General Muhlenberg. Mrs. Francis Madison Beale, the 2nd wife of Jost Hite's son, Jacob, was an aunt of James Madison. Sarah Hite, daughter of Isaac Hite, Sr., married Jonathan Clark, brother of George Rogers Clark. Lee Henry Z. Jones Jr., the highly respected genealogist who did an extensive study of the Palatine migration in 1709-1710 and later, is firmly convinced that Germans "traveled together and stayed together." These people were primarily from the Palatinate (Rhine River) region, although the group included some Swiss and others. My own family history reflects this. Of the 300+ families that arrived in the Hudson Valley of New York State in 300+ 1710, I descend from more than 50, many of whom now proven by DNA. A great many of their descendants remain in Columbia, Dutchess, Green and Ulster Counties even today. In fact, in an effort to study the genetic patterns of this group, I started a Palatine DNA Project at FTDNA many years ago. I'm no longer associated with it, but it still survives and, hopefully, will one day prove a useful database for someone. Jones also conducted studies of other settlements of Germans in America, especially later in Pennsylvania. The 1710 migration was the first large group to arrive in America. Doris