John You got me. You win! Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Nov 7, 2015, at 2:09 PM, jlerch1 via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Someone asked so what's not to like about losing all the ANONYMOUS Matches. Well: > There have been multiple times when I got a match with someone and NO ONE with whom I was Sharing matched that person. So I went to COuntries of Ancestry and Lo and Behold, both of us had 1 or more Anonymous matches with grandparent profiles LIKE > (Vanuatu, Israel, Latvia, Slovakia). > Now for those of you not getting it, how likely is that 2 person were to have that profile? So I reported the good news to that person that yes our match was corroborated even though I had no idea with whom. > Under the new system, those persons are just going to have to be uncorroborated and maybe that person will stop Sharing. And if Jim B is correct that persons might be Anonymous to everyone but those with whom they Share, that person might totally drop off my list and I'll NEVER be able to write to him on 23 again. > John L >

Someone asked so what's not to like about losing all the ANONYMOUS Matches.  Well: There have been multiple times when I got a match with someone and NO ONE with whom I was Sharing matched that person.  So I went to COuntries of Ancestry and Lo and Behold, both of us had 1 or more Anonymous matches with grandparent profiles LIKE (Vanuatu, Israel, Latvia, Slovakia). Now for those of you not getting it, how likely is that 2 person were to have that profile?  So I reported the good news to that person that yes our match was corroborated even though I had no idea with whom. Under the new system, those persons are just going to have to be uncorroborated and maybe that person will stop Sharing.  And if Jim B is correct that persons might be Anonymous to everyone but those with whom they Share, that person might totally drop off my list and I'll NEVER be able to write to him on 23 again. John L

List A single mtDNA sequence from a FGC customer has appeared on the GenBank database. The sequence belongs to Haplogroup H6c. See perhaps: http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_by_group/h6b-c_genbank_sequences.htm where I give a suggested population size for this subgroup of about 1 million persons. As usual I have added the sequence to my 'Checker' program to ensure accuracy of transcription. Ian www.ianlogan.co.uk --------------- KT625439(Sweden) FGC Haplogroup H6c 02-NOV-2015 T239C A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G A4769G C6869T C8464Y A8860G G9804A G10373A A15326G T16362C A16482G

What are they considering nicknames? The names put in the nick name line or names that sound like nick it names? Will the profile stay public even though it has a name that sounds like a nick name? I know initial are allowed but how about a given name followed by numbers for a last name? Will the migration begin at 12AM on Nov. 11 or will we still have Nov 11 to work. Thanks Marilyn

Gretta, click on their name to get their Profile, and see the Shared Genome Invitation link in upper right. Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Nov 6, 2015, at 6:46 PM, gretta gribble <ggribble@gmail.com> wrote: > > how does one share genomes w/ anonymous? one of my matches accepted, but i have not found a way to do the sharing genomes. > >> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Jim Bartlett via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> Barbara >> >> I'm not sure I've ever seen a Match who is Sharing Genomes who is also Anon... I think all of my 1,000 shares have some name and I can contact them.... >> >> Jim - www.segmentology.org >> >> > On Nov 6, 2015, at 3:26 PM, Barbara Shroyer via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> > >> > I don't think the anon matches are being removed until the anon kit is updated to the "new" 23&Me. and the anon person will be "presented with" a choice of the profile name showing or opting out of DNARelatives. At least that's how I'm reading the 23&Me response on their forums. That says that when the anonymous person is transitioned to the "new" 23andMe that they'll have to choose to have their profile name visible or else opt out of DNA relatives. https://www.23andme.com/you/community/thread/41020/24/ >> > >> > She also has indicated several times that we will keep anonymous matches who have agreed to share, but I'm guessing that those that opt out will disappear. Many of the anon matches, those that easily agreed to share, will probably agree to using a profile name. As for the anonymous who never agree to share, good riddance. >> > Barbara >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bartlett via >> > Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 8:44 AM >> > To: Eric S Johnson <crates@oneotaslopes.org>; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: Re: [DNA] "end of the world" >> > >> > Currently I have right at 1,000 Matches with shared segments at 23andMe, and about 1,800 outstanding invites (and some of them are responding to my "last chance" resend. >> > >> > In about a week probably 1,600 Anon Matches will drop out; and with no effort on my part, my list of Shared Genomes will gradually grow to 2,000. >> > >> > I say yippie! What's not to like. The system will automatically show only those who are willing to share. I like it. >> > >> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

> would you give me step by step instructions on: 2. Go to your Countries of > Ancestry page. Download the CoA file for, at least, each of the genomes you > own How do I do that? 1) open your PC's browser 2) go to www.23andMe.come and log in 3) navigate through the menus: "my results -> ancestry overview -> ancestry tools -> countries of ancestry" 4) select one of your genomes from the "show results for" drop-down menu 5) wait a minute for it to load; ignore the table and graph, and click on the blue button underneath the graph 6) repeat steps 4 and 5 for each of "your" genomes. Some folks are doing this even for the genomes shared with them by others, because if you work really hard at it, you can glean tiny bits of additional information from those XLSs. I found that useful back when I was starting off, but now that my "master XLS of shared HIRs" is over 8000 lines, the data you can extract from other people's CoA tables is marginal. I think. But possibly/probably someone can add a pointer on that count ...

how does one share genomes w/ anonymous? one of my matches accepted, but i have not found a way to do the sharing genomes. On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Jim Bartlett via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > wrote: > Barbara > > I'm not sure I've ever seen a Match who is Sharing Genomes who is also > Anon... I think all of my 1,000 shares have some name and I can contact > them.... > > Jim - www.segmentology.org > > > On Nov 6, 2015, at 3:26 PM, Barbara Shroyer via < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > I don't think the anon matches are being removed until the anon kit is > updated to the "new" 23&Me. and the anon person will be "presented with" a > choice of the profile name showing or opting out of DNARelatives. At least > that's how I'm reading the 23&Me response on their forums. That says that > when the anonymous person is transitioned to the "new" 23andMe that they'll > have to choose to have their profile name visible or else opt out of DNA > relatives. https://www.23andme.com/you/community/thread/41020/24/ > > > > She also has indicated several times that we will keep anonymous matches > who have agreed to share, but I'm guessing that those that opt out will > disappear. Many of the anon matches, those that easily agreed to share, > will probably agree to using a profile name. As for the anonymous who > never agree to share, good riddance. > > Barbara > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bartlett via > > Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 8:44 AM > > To: Eric S Johnson <crates@oneotaslopes.org>; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DNA] "end of the world" > > > > Currently I have right at 1,000 Matches with shared segments at 23andMe, > and about 1,800 outstanding invites (and some of them are responding to my > "last chance" resend. > > > > In about a week probably 1,600 Anon Matches will drop out; and with no > effort on my part, my list of Shared Genomes will gradually grow to 2,000. > > > > I say yippie! What's not to like. The system will automatically show > only those who are willing to share. I like it. > > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Barbara I'm not sure I've ever seen a Match who is Sharing Genomes who is also Anon... I think all of my 1,000 shares have some name and I can contact them.... Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Nov 6, 2015, at 3:26 PM, Barbara Shroyer via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I don't think the anon matches are being removed until the anon kit is updated to the "new" 23&Me. and the anon person will be "presented with" a choice of the profile name showing or opting out of DNARelatives. At least that's how I'm reading the 23&Me response on their forums. That says that when the anonymous person is transitioned to the "new" 23andMe that they'll have to choose to have their profile name visible or else opt out of DNA relatives. https://www.23andme.com/you/community/thread/41020/24/ > > She also has indicated several times that we will keep anonymous matches who have agreed to share, but I'm guessing that those that opt out will disappear. Many of the anon matches, those that easily agreed to share, will probably agree to using a profile name. As for the anonymous who never agree to share, good riddance. > Barbara > > -----Original Message----- > From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bartlett via > Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 8:44 AM > To: Eric S Johnson <crates@oneotaslopes.org>; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DNA] "end of the world" > > Currently I have right at 1,000 Matches with shared segments at 23andMe, and about 1,800 outstanding invites (and some of them are responding to my "last chance" resend. > > In about a week probably 1,600 Anon Matches will drop out; and with no effort on my part, my list of Shared Genomes will gradually grow to 2,000. > > I say yippie! What's not to like. The system will automatically show only those who are willing to share. I like it. > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If only AncestryDNA would do something similar. Just show matches who are interested in sharing information & finding DNA cousins. Mike Fisher in a damp Droitwich, England

I don't think the anon matches are being removed until the anon kit is updated to the "new" 23&Me. and the anon person will be "presented with" a choice of the profile name showing or opting out of DNARelatives. At least that's how I'm reading the 23&Me response on their forums. That says that when the anonymous person is transitioned to the "new" 23andMe that they'll have to choose to have their profile name visible or else opt out of DNA relatives. https://www.23andme.com/you/community/thread/41020/24/ She also has indicated several times that we will keep anonymous matches who have agreed to share, but I'm guessing that those that opt out will disappear. Many of the anon matches, those that easily agreed to share, will probably agree to using a profile name. As for the anonymous who never agree to share, good riddance. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bartlett via Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 8:44 AM To: Eric S Johnson <crates@oneotaslopes.org>; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DNA] "end of the world" Currently I have right at 1,000 Matches with shared segments at 23andMe, and about 1,800 outstanding invites (and some of them are responding to my "last chance" resend. In about a week probably 1,600 Anon Matches will drop out; and with no effort on my part, my list of Shared Genomes will gradually grow to 2,000. I say yippie! What's not to like. The system will automatically show only those who are willing to share. I like it. with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, I put your question to a staff member at 23andMe and got the following reply: "" Can someone say definitively, what happens to matches of ours who have accepted our Invite but continue to be Anonymous to the rest of their matches. The way I read 23's description, they're going to be all reverted to Anonymous and deleted from our lists." * That's not the case. First, all anonymous matches will remain visible until these members either choose a display name or opt out of the feature. Second, as mentioned in the original post, accepted introductions will be saved. The content of messages for introductions that have been accepted will be copied over to the updated messaging system in the new DNA Relatives. So if you have made contact with a match, this match will remain on your list and your messages will be available unless and until that match chooses to opt out of the feature." Belinda -----Original Message----- From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jlerch1 via Sent: Friday, 6 November 2015 5:55 AM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DNA] Clarification on the new 23? Ok, I'll believe that. But can someone point to a quote which says specifically that that's the use of the phrase that the coding team know they're supposed to be using? I mean they don't say Anonymous matches can't send or receive emails from those with whom they're still Anonymous. They say Anonymous Matches can't send or receive emails period. IOW the coding team may be using 1 setting from the profile when your definition seems to be from somewhere else (i.e. I'm not sure if I could recognize your definition from any of the queries in the Profile setting page.) On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 11:07:40 -0600 (CST), Jim Bartlett wrote: John, Once someone accepts an invite, they are no longer Anonymous to you, so they should remain on your RDNA list, and still be available in FI:A. Jim Bartlett On 11/05/15, jlerch1 via wrote: Can someone say definitively, what happens to matches of ours who have accepted our Invite but continue to be Anonymous to the rest of their matches. The way I read 23's description, they're going to be all reverted to Anonymous and deleted from our lists.  IOW are they 1) going to look at each person's DNA Relatives list and delete all non-Sharing Anonymous matches' listings or 2)are they going to look at each person's listing and see if he makes himself Anonymous to all non-Sharers and deletes him pr even 3) makes himself Anonymous some other way? If 2) or 3) is the case, my estimation is that I'm going to go from more than 700 Sharers to about 100. If 1) I'll stay at ~700. 23's language says I'm going to have only ~100 Sharers left. IOW all our letters we're sending to Anonymous listers is futile since they're not going to be looking at our individual list to see who's anonymous still. Evidence for that opinion is: They say Anonymous persons will no longer be able to send or receive emails; they DON'T say no longer be able to send or receive emails to/from non-Sharers. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Currently I have right at 1,000 Matches with shared segments at 23andMe, and about 1,800 outstanding invites (and some of them are responding to my "last chance" resend. In about a week probably 1,600 Anon Matches will drop out; and with no effort on my part, my list of Shared Genomes will gradually grow to 2,000. I say yippie! What's not to like. The system will automatically show only those who are willing to share. I like it. Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Nov 5, 2015, at 9:21 PM, Eric S Johnson via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > So with the impending changes at 23andMe, is there consensus on what, if > anything, a dedicated genetic genealogist can/should do to prepare? Ideally, > all we’re losing with the changeover is, we’ll no longer have any access > at all to (in fact, not even any knowledge of) the matches in DNA Relatives > we now see as anonymous, right? (Yes, we’re losing CoA, but although it > seemed to’ve offered promise, in fact I didn’t find its marginal value was > measurable.) > > > > 1. Go into each of your primary 23andMe genomes’ DNA Relatives matchlists. > Sort by relationship. Then, for each of the top ten folks with whom you’re > not already sharing AND who’re anonymous, cancel your outstanding > genome-sharing invitation, and then send them a new ‘last chance’ > genome-sharing invitation > > > > 2. Go to your Countries of Ancestry page. Download the CoA file for, at > least, each of the genomes you own > > > > … ? > > > > Best, > > Eric > >

Don't know if it was a sr. moment or if LW BCC'ed genealogy-DNA... but I only answered LW for this question. Just going to say I don't "know" any programmers in the "Biblical sense".  But both daughters are programmers, my bro-in-law programmed, andall of my various engineering/physics fellow students programmed.  And we made a coffee cup for my bro-in-law with a flow chart on it of how to spend a morning which had just the kind of bug I mentioned below. Lisa W wrote Subject: Re: [DNA] Clarification on the new 23? To: jlerch1 <jlerch1@lighttube.net>, genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4BB9FC1B-CE6D-4370-BFE2-703D80F88795@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Nov 5, 2015, at 4:00 PM, jlerch1 via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > ...For being programmers, 23 sure seems to have people > whose flow charts in their verbal communication come up to a branch > point where one branch goes nowhere. Do you *know* any actual programmers? ;-) Lis

So with the impending changes at 23andMe, is there consensus on what, if anything, a dedicated genetic genealogist can/should do to prepare? Ideally, all we’re losing with the changeover is, we’ll no longer have any access at all to (in fact, not even any knowledge of) the matches in DNA Relatives we now see as anonymous, right? (Yes, we’re losing CoA, but although it seemed to’ve offered promise, in fact I didn’t find its marginal value was measurable.) 1. Go into each of your primary 23andMe genomes’ DNA Relatives matchlists. Sort by relationship. Then, for each of the top ten folks with whom you’re not already sharing AND who’re anonymous, cancel your outstanding genome-sharing invitation, and then send them a new ‘last chance’ genome-sharing invitation 2. Go to your Countries of Ancestry page. Download the CoA file for, at least, each of the genomes you own … ? Best, Eric OpenPGP <http://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/DownloadKey.event?keyid=0xE0F58E0F1AF7E6F2> : 0x1AF7E6F2 ● Skype: oneota ● XMPP/OTR: berekum@jabber.ccc.de <mailto:berekum@jabber.ccc.de> ● Silent Circle: +1 312 614-0159

My mother and I both match each other in Family Finder. We both uploaded GEDCOM files. Using the search box in the upper left of her myFTDNA page, if she enters her father's surname and then uses advanced search set to "DNA Matches Only" she will get a list of 4 individuals found in my GEDCOM. If I do the same thing I should get a list of the same 4 individuals found in her GEDCOM but I get nothing. She has these settings: Account Settings Match and Email Settings Family Finder Matches & Email Notifications set to "yes". Genealogy Family Tree Privacy Settings Deceased people born 100+ years ago is set to "public" Is there a setting that I have overlooked? Thanks, Colin

Eric I still download, and save as xls, the spreadsheet for every Match in the COA drop down. This includes everyone who has Shared Genomes with me, AND a few others who took the survey but haven't shared. I agree with you, with the current fullness of my database, it's hardly worth the effort. It occasionally confirms which TG a small segment belongs to, but it rarely changes the boundary of a TG any more. I still compare each new match with others at FIA. The download of that spreadsheet of all "IBD segments" is a goldmine. And a good way to easily start a spreadsheet; or update one. Jim - www.segmentology.org On Nov 6, 2015, at 6:12 AM, Eric S Johnson via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> would you give me step by step instructions on: 2. Go to your Countries > of >> Ancestry page. Download the CoA file for, at least, each of the genomes > you >> own How do I do that? > > 1) open your PC's browser > 2) go to www.23andMe.come and log in > 3) navigate through the menus: "my results -> ancestry overview -> ancestry > tools -> countries of ancestry" > 4) select one of your genomes from the "show results for" drop-down menu > 5) wait a minute for it to load; ignore the table and graph, and click on > the blue button underneath the graph > 6) repeat steps 4 and 5 for each of "your" genomes. > > Some folks are doing this even for the genomes shared with them by others, > because if you work really hard at it, you can glean tiny bits of additional > information from those XLSs. I found that useful back when I was starting > off, but now that my "master XLS of shared HIRs" is over 8000 lines, the > data you can extract from other people's CoA tables is marginal. I think. > But possibly/probably someone can add a pointer on that count ... > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Eric, Never mind I figured it out... thanks for all the great information. On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 4:14 AM, karen young <karen.w.young@gmail.com> wrote: > Eric > would you give me step by step instructions on: 2. Go to your Countries > of Ancestry page. Download the CoA file for, at > least, each of the genomes you own > How do I do that? > thanks > Karen > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 2:00 AM, <genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Clarification on the new 23? (jlerch1@lighttube.net) >> 2. Re: Clarification on the new 23? (Belinda Dettmann) >> 3. Re: Clarification on the new 23? (jlerch1@lighttube.net) >> 4. Re: Clarification on the new 23? (Lisa Wilcox) >> 5. "end of the world" (Eric S Johnson) >> 6. Re: GENEALOGY-DNA Digest, Vol 10, Issue 606 (Brooks Family) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 17:23:35 -0500 >> From: jlerch1@lighttube.net >> Subject: Re: [DNA] Clarification on the new 23? >> To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com, Robert Paine <rpaine@vom.com> >> Message-ID: <20151105172335.qz6d3o44sgc0swsg@webmail.lighttube.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format="flowed" >> >> It's not a question of speculation.? It's a question of doing one's >> best to make sure the barn door was closed properly rather than chasing >> a loose horse for hours or days or weeks. >> >> On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 11:27:31 -0800, Robert Paine wrote: >> >> We will know in less than a week, speculation is of little use. >> >> Rpaine >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jlerch1 via >> Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 10:54 AM >> To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DNA] Clarification on the new 23? >> >> Ok, I'll believe that. But can someone point to a quote which says >> specifically that that's the use of the phrase that the coding team >> know they're supposed to be using? I mean they don't say Anonymous >> matches can't send or receive emails from those with whom they're still >> Anonymous. They say Anonymous Matches can't send or receive emails >> period. IOW the coding team may be using 1 setting from the profile >> when your definition seems to be from somewhere else (i.e. I'm not sure >> if I could recognize your definition from any of the queries in the >> Profile setting page.) >> >> On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 11:07:40 -0600 (CST), Jim Bartlett wrote: >> >> John, >> >> Once someone accepts an invite, they are no longer Anonymous to you, so >> they should remain on your RDNA list, and still be available in FI:A. >> >> Jim Bartlett >> >> On 11/05/15, jlerch1 via wrote: >> Can someone say definitively, what happens to matches of ours who have >> accepted our Invite but continue to be Anonymous to the rest of their >> matches.? The way I read 23's description, they're going to be all >> reverted to Anonymous and deleted from our lists.? ? IOW are they >> 1) going to look at each person's DNA Relatives list and delete all >> non-Sharing Anonymous matches' listings or 2)are they going to look at >> each person's listing and see if he makes himself Anonymous to all >> non-Sharers and deletes him pr even 3) makes himself Anonymous some >> other way?? If 2) or 3) is the case, my estimation is that I'm going >> to go from more than 700 Sharers to about 100.? If 1) I'll stay at >> ~700.? 23's language says I'm going to have only ~100 Sharers >> left.? IOW all our letters we're sending to Anonymous listers is >> futile since they're not going to be looking at our individual list to >> see who's anonymous still.? Evidence for that opinion is: They say >> Anonymous persons will no longer be able to send or receive emails; >> they DON'T say no longer be able to send or receive emails to/from >> non-Sharers. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:48:26 +1100 >> From: "Belinda Dettmann" <belindadettmann@optusnet.com.au> >> Subject: Re: [DNA] Clarification on the new 23? >> To: "'jlerch1'" <jlerch1@lighttube.net>, <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <001301d11824$77528100$65f78300$@optusnet.com.au> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> John, I put your question to a staff member at 23andMe and got the >> following reply: >> "" Can someone say definitively, what happens to matches of ours who have >> accepted our Invite but continue to be Anonymous to the rest of their >> matches. The way I read 23's description, they're going to be all reverted >> to Anonymous and deleted from our lists." >> >> * That's not the case. First, all anonymous matches will remain visible >> until these members either choose a display name or opt out of the feature. >> Second, as mentioned in the original post, accepted introductions will be >> saved. The content of messages for introductions that have been accepted >> will be copied over to the updated messaging system in the new DNA >> Relatives. >> >> So if you have made contact with a match, this match will remain on your >> list and your messages will be available unless and until that match >> chooses to opt out of the feature." >> Belinda >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >> genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jlerch1 via >> Sent: Friday, 6 November 2015 5:55 AM >> To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DNA] Clarification on the new 23? >> >> Ok, I'll believe that. But can someone point to a quote which says >> specifically that that's the use of the phrase that the coding team know >> they're supposed to be using? I mean they don't say Anonymous matches >> can't send or receive emails from those with whom they're still Anonymous. >> They say Anonymous Matches can't send or receive emails period. IOW the >> coding team may be using 1 setting from the profile when your definition >> seems to be from somewhere else (i.e. I'm not sure if I could recognize >> your definition from any of the queries in the Profile setting page.) >> >> On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 11:07:40 -0600 (CST), Jim Bartlett wrote: >> >> John, >> >> Once someone accepts an invite, they are no longer Anonymous to you, so >> they should remain on your RDNA list, and still be available in FI:A. >> >> >> >> Jim Bartlett >> >> On 11/05/15, jlerch1 via wrote: >> Can someone say definitively, what happens to matches of ours who have >> accepted our Invite but continue to be Anonymous to the rest of their >> matches.? The way I read 23's description, they're going to be all >> reverted to Anonymous and deleted from our lists.? ? IOW are they >> 1) going to look at each person's DNA Relatives list and delete all >> non-Sharing Anonymous matches' listings or 2)are they going to look at each >> person's listing and see if he makes himself Anonymous to all non-Sharers >> and deletes him pr even 3) makes himself Anonymous some other way?? If 2) >> or 3) is the case, my estimation is that I'm going to go from more than 700 >> Sharers to about 100.? If 1) I'll stay at ~700.? 23's language says I'm >> going to have only ~100 Sharers left.? IOW all our letters we're sending >> to Anonymous listers is futile since they're not going to be looking at our >> individual list to see who's anonymous still.? Evidence for that opinion >> is: They say Anonymous persons will no longer be able to send or receive >> emails; they DON'T say no longer be able to send or receive emails to/from >> non-Sharers. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 19:00:13 -0500 >> From: jlerch1@lighttube.net >> Subject: Re: [DNA] Clarification on the new 23? >> To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com, Belinda Dettmann >> <belindadettmann@optusnet.com.au> >> Message-ID: <20151105190013.hp7q7hwfksssk888@webmail.lighttube.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format="flowed" >> >> Thanks Belinda. >> But now what I don't understand is: "...will remain visible until these >> members either choose a display name or opt out of the feature..."? >> The way I understand those words, if one is anonymous, stay anonymous >> and 23 will never do anything to you.? IOW nothing is going to >> change.? And all our frantic work is pointless. >> What worries me is: for being programmers, 23 sure seems to have people >> whose flow charts in their verbal communication come up to a branch >> point where one branch goes nowhere. >> >> On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:48:26 +1100, Belinda Dettmann wrote: >> >> John, I put your question to a staff member at 23andMe and got >> the following reply: >> "" Can someone say definitively, what happens to matches of ours who >> have accepted our Invite but continue to be Anonymous to the rest of >> their matches. The way I read 23's description, they're going to be all >> reverted to Anonymous and deleted from our lists." >> >> * That's not the case. First, all anonymous matches will remain visible >> until these members either choose a display name or opt out of the >> feature. Second, as mentioned in the original post, accepted >> introductions will be saved. The content of messages for introductions >> that have been accepted will be copied over to the updated messaging >> system in the new DNA Relatives. >> >> So if you have made contact with a match, this match will remain on >> your list and your messages will be available unless and until that >> match chooses to opt out of the feature." >> Belinda >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 16:36:34 -0800 >> From: Lisa Wilcox <occassia@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [DNA] Clarification on the new 23? >> To: jlerch1 <jlerch1@lighttube.net>, genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <4BB9FC1B-CE6D-4370-BFE2-703D80F88795@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> >> > On Nov 5, 2015, at 4:00 PM, jlerch1 via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > ...For being programmers, 23 sure seems to have people >> > whose flow charts in their verbal communication come up to a branch >> > point where one branch goes nowhere. >> >> Do you *know* any actual programmers? ;-) >> >> >> Lisa >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:21:59 +0800 >> From: "Eric S Johnson" <crates@oneotaslopes.org> >> Subject: [DNA] "end of the world" >> To: <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <000401d11839$ee3e5540$cabaffc0$@oneotaslopes.org> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" >> >> So with the impending changes at 23andMe, is there consensus on what, if >> anything, a dedicated genetic genealogist can/should do to prepare? >> Ideally, >> all we?re losing with the changeover is, we?ll no longer have any access >> at all to (in fact, not even any knowledge of) the matches in DNA >> Relatives >> we now see as anonymous, right? (Yes, we?re losing CoA, but although it >> seemed to?ve offered promise, in fact I didn?t find its marginal value was >> measurable.) >> >> >> >> 1. Go into each of your primary 23andMe genomes? DNA Relatives matchlists. >> Sort by relationship. Then, for each of the top ten folks with whom you?re >> not already sharing AND who?re anonymous, cancel your outstanding >> genome-sharing invitation, and then send them a new ?last chance? >> genome-sharing invitation >> >> >> >> 2. Go to your Countries of Ancestry page. Download the CoA file for, at >> least, each of the genomes you own >> >> >> >> ? ? >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> Eric >> >> OpenPGP >> <http://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/DownloadKey.event?keyid=0xE0F58E0F1AF7E6F2> >> : >> 0x1AF7E6F2 ? Skype: oneota ? XMPP/OTR: berekum@jabber.ccc.de >> <mailto:berekum@jabber.ccc.de> ? Silent Circle: +1 312 614-0159 >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 20:57:14 -0700 >> From: Brooks Family <Coverly@xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: [DNA] GENEALOGY-DNA Digest, Vol 10, Issue 606 >> To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <563C251A.2060303@xmission.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> On 11/5/15 12:54 PM, genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> > John >> > >> > ...that system is going away (I say good riddance). Soon you will only >> see Public Matches. >> We've all had the experience of a non-responsive cousin suddenly >> accepting the invitation, months or perhaps years after it was >> extended. If they don't know someone's knocking at the door, they'll >> probably remain uninspired. Yes, I'll no longer looking longingly at >> close cousins' entries on a Relative Finder list. I guess that's good. >> It'll probably cut back the flack they get from customers who want those >> cousins revealed. >> > >> > >> > ...I think 23andMe really is trying to cater to the genealogy side! ... >> > >> > Jim >> At US$199 plus shipping, I'd say they've limited the interest from >> genealogy-only participants. >> >> I assume one can continue to withdraw from the genome sharing? Better >> grab the segment list asap after it becomes available - those shy >> cousins may start disappearing when they realize how they're exposed. >> >> And another question - since they say that " Anyone with a nickname will >> be made anonymous" - I don't think they have anyway of determining the >> actual name of the test subject? They could be first name & initial? Or >> other configurations. Whatever. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the GENEALOGY-DNA list administrator, send an email to >> GENEALOGY-DNA-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the GENEALOGY-DNA mailing list, send an email to >> GENEALOGY-DNA@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of GENEALOGY-DNA Digest, Vol 10, Issue 607 >> ********************************************** >> > >

Eric would you give me step by step instructions on: 2. Go to your Countries of Ancestry page. Download the CoA file for, at least, each of the genomes you own How do I do that? thanks Karen On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 2:00 AM, <genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Clarification on the new 23? (jlerch1@lighttube.net) > 2. Re: Clarification on the new 23? (Belinda Dettmann) > 3. Re: Clarification on the new 23? (jlerch1@lighttube.net) > 4. Re: Clarification on the new 23? (Lisa Wilcox) > 5. "end of the world" (Eric S Johnson) > 6. Re: GENEALOGY-DNA Digest, Vol 10, Issue 606 (Brooks Family) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 17:23:35 -0500 > From: jlerch1@lighttube.net > Subject: Re: [DNA] Clarification on the new 23? > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com, Robert Paine <rpaine@vom.com> > Message-ID: <20151105172335.qz6d3o44sgc0swsg@webmail.lighttube.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format="flowed" > > It's not a question of speculation.? It's a question of doing one's > best to make sure the barn door was closed properly rather than chasing > a loose horse for hours or days or weeks. > > On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 11:27:31 -0800, Robert Paine wrote: > > We will know in less than a week, speculation is of little use. > > Rpaine > > -----Original Message----- > From: jlerch1 via > Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 10:54 AM > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DNA] Clarification on the new 23? > > Ok, I'll believe that. But can someone point to a quote which says > specifically that that's the use of the phrase that the coding team > know they're supposed to be using? I mean they don't say Anonymous > matches can't send or receive emails from those with whom they're still > Anonymous. They say Anonymous Matches can't send or receive emails > period. IOW the coding team may be using 1 setting from the profile > when your definition seems to be from somewhere else (i.e. I'm not sure > if I could recognize your definition from any of the queries in the > Profile setting page.) > > On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 11:07:40 -0600 (CST), Jim Bartlett wrote: > > John, > > Once someone accepts an invite, they are no longer Anonymous to you, so > they should remain on your RDNA list, and still be available in FI:A. > > Jim Bartlett > > On 11/05/15, jlerch1 via wrote: > Can someone say definitively, what happens to matches of ours who have > accepted our Invite but continue to be Anonymous to the rest of their > matches.? The way I read 23's description, they're going to be all > reverted to Anonymous and deleted from our lists.? ? IOW are they > 1) going to look at each person's DNA Relatives list and delete all > non-Sharing Anonymous matches' listings or 2)are they going to look at > each person's listing and see if he makes himself Anonymous to all > non-Sharers and deletes him pr even 3) makes himself Anonymous some > other way?? If 2) or 3) is the case, my estimation is that I'm going > to go from more than 700 Sharers to about 100.? If 1) I'll stay at > ~700.? 23's language says I'm going to have only ~100 Sharers > left.? IOW all our letters we're sending to Anonymous listers is > futile since they're not going to be looking at our individual list to > see who's anonymous still.? Evidence for that opinion is: They say > Anonymous persons will no longer be able to send or receive emails; > they DON'T say no longer be able to send or receive emails to/from > non-Sharers. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:48:26 +1100 > From: "Belinda Dettmann" <belindadettmann@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [DNA] Clarification on the new 23? > To: "'jlerch1'" <jlerch1@lighttube.net>, <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001301d11824$77528100$65f78300$@optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > John, I put your question to a staff member at 23andMe and got the > following reply: > "" Can someone say definitively, what happens to matches of ours who have > accepted our Invite but continue to be Anonymous to the rest of their > matches. The way I read 23's description, they're going to be all reverted > to Anonymous and deleted from our lists." > > * That's not the case. First, all anonymous matches will remain visible > until these members either choose a display name or opt out of the feature. > Second, as mentioned in the original post, accepted introductions will be > saved. The content of messages for introductions that have been accepted > will be copied over to the updated messaging system in the new DNA > Relatives. > > So if you have made contact with a match, this match will remain on your > list and your messages will be available unless and until that match > chooses to opt out of the feature." > Belinda > > > -----Original Message----- > From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jlerch1 via > Sent: Friday, 6 November 2015 5:55 AM > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DNA] Clarification on the new 23? > > Ok, I'll believe that. But can someone point to a quote which says > specifically that that's the use of the phrase that the coding team know > they're supposed to be using? I mean they don't say Anonymous matches > can't send or receive emails from those with whom they're still Anonymous. > They say Anonymous Matches can't send or receive emails period. IOW the > coding team may be using 1 setting from the profile when your definition > seems to be from somewhere else (i.e. I'm not sure if I could recognize > your definition from any of the queries in the Profile setting page.) > > On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 11:07:40 -0600 (CST), Jim Bartlett wrote: > > John, > > Once someone accepts an invite, they are no longer Anonymous to you, so > they should remain on your RDNA list, and still be available in FI:A. > > > > Jim Bartlett > > On 11/05/15, jlerch1 via wrote: > Can someone say definitively, what happens to matches of ours who have > accepted our Invite but continue to be Anonymous to the rest of their > matches.? The way I read 23's description, they're going to be all > reverted to Anonymous and deleted from our lists.? ? IOW are they > 1) going to look at each person's DNA Relatives list and delete all > non-Sharing Anonymous matches' listings or 2)are they going to look at each > person's listing and see if he makes himself Anonymous to all non-Sharers > and deletes him pr even 3) makes himself Anonymous some other way?? If 2) > or 3) is the case, my estimation is that I'm going to go from more than 700 > Sharers to about 100.? If 1) I'll stay at ~700.? 23's language says I'm > going to have only ~100 Sharers left.? IOW all our letters we're sending > to Anonymous listers is futile since they're not going to be looking at our > individual list to see who's anonymous still.? Evidence for that opinion > is: They say Anonymous persons will no longer be able to send or receive > emails; they DON'T say no longer be able to send or receive emails to/from > non-Sharers. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 19:00:13 -0500 > From: jlerch1@lighttube.net > Subject: Re: [DNA] Clarification on the new 23? > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com, Belinda Dettmann > <belindadettmann@optusnet.com.au> > Message-ID: <20151105190013.hp7q7hwfksssk888@webmail.lighttube.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format="flowed" > > Thanks Belinda. > But now what I don't understand is: "...will remain visible until these > members either choose a display name or opt out of the feature..."? > The way I understand those words, if one is anonymous, stay anonymous > and 23 will never do anything to you.? IOW nothing is going to > change.? And all our frantic work is pointless. > What worries me is: for being programmers, 23 sure seems to have people > whose flow charts in their verbal communication come up to a branch > point where one branch goes nowhere. > > On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:48:26 +1100, Belinda Dettmann wrote: > > John, I put your question to a staff member at 23andMe and got > the following reply: > "" Can someone say definitively, what happens to matches of ours who > have accepted our Invite but continue to be Anonymous to the rest of > their matches. The way I read 23's description, they're going to be all > reverted to Anonymous and deleted from our lists." > > * That's not the case. First, all anonymous matches will remain visible > until these members either choose a display name or opt out of the > feature. Second, as mentioned in the original post, accepted > introductions will be saved. The content of messages for introductions > that have been accepted will be copied over to the updated messaging > system in the new DNA Relatives. > > So if you have made contact with a match, this match will remain on > your list and your messages will be available unless and until that > match chooses to opt out of the feature." > Belinda > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 16:36:34 -0800 > From: Lisa Wilcox <occassia@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [DNA] Clarification on the new 23? > To: jlerch1 <jlerch1@lighttube.net>, genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4BB9FC1B-CE6D-4370-BFE2-703D80F88795@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > On Nov 5, 2015, at 4:00 PM, jlerch1 via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > > ...For being programmers, 23 sure seems to have people > > whose flow charts in their verbal communication come up to a branch > > point where one branch goes nowhere. > > Do you *know* any actual programmers? ;-) > > > Lisa > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:21:59 +0800 > From: "Eric S Johnson" <crates@oneotaslopes.org> > Subject: [DNA] "end of the world" > To: <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000401d11839$ee3e5540$cabaffc0$@oneotaslopes.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" > > So with the impending changes at 23andMe, is there consensus on what, if > anything, a dedicated genetic genealogist can/should do to prepare? > Ideally, > all we?re losing with the changeover is, we?ll no longer have any access > at all to (in fact, not even any knowledge of) the matches in DNA Relatives > we now see as anonymous, right? (Yes, we?re losing CoA, but although it > seemed to?ve offered promise, in fact I didn?t find its marginal value was > measurable.) > > > > 1. Go into each of your primary 23andMe genomes? DNA Relatives matchlists. > Sort by relationship. Then, for each of the top ten folks with whom you?re > not already sharing AND who?re anonymous, cancel your outstanding > genome-sharing invitation, and then send them a new ?last chance? > genome-sharing invitation > > > > 2. Go to your Countries of Ancestry page. Download the CoA file for, at > least, each of the genomes you own > > > > ? ? > > > > Best, > > Eric > > OpenPGP > <http://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/DownloadKey.event?keyid=0xE0F58E0F1AF7E6F2> > : > 0x1AF7E6F2 ? Skype: oneota ? XMPP/OTR: berekum@jabber.ccc.de > <mailto:berekum@jabber.ccc.de> ? Silent Circle: +1 312 614-0159 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 20:57:14 -0700 > From: Brooks Family <Coverly@xmission.com> > Subject: Re: [DNA] GENEALOGY-DNA Digest, Vol 10, Issue 606 > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <563C251A.2060303@xmission.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > On 11/5/15 12:54 PM, genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > John > > > > ...that system is going away (I say good riddance). Soon you will only > see Public Matches. > We've all had the experience of a non-responsive cousin suddenly > accepting the invitation, months or perhaps years after it was > extended. If they don't know someone's knocking at the door, they'll > probably remain uninspired. Yes, I'll no longer looking longingly at > close cousins' entries on a Relative Finder list. I guess that's good. > It'll probably cut back the flack they get from customers who want those > cousins revealed. > > > > > > ...I think 23andMe really is trying to cater to the genealogy side! ... > > > > Jim > At US$199 plus shipping, I'd say they've limited the interest from > genealogy-only participants. > > I assume one can continue to withdraw from the genome sharing? Better > grab the segment list asap after it becomes available - those shy > cousins may start disappearing when they realize how they're exposed. > > And another question - since they say that " Anyone with a nickname will > be made anonymous" - I don't think they have anyway of determining the > actual name of the test subject? They could be first name & initial? Or > other configurations. Whatever. > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the GENEALOGY-DNA list administrator, send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the GENEALOGY-DNA mailing list, send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of GENEALOGY-DNA Digest, Vol 10, Issue 607 > ********************************************** >

On 11/5/15 12:54 PM, genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > John > > ...that system is going away (I say good riddance). Soon you will only see Public Matches. We've all had the experience of a non-responsive cousin suddenly accepting the invitation, months or perhaps years after it was extended. If they don't know someone's knocking at the door, they'll probably remain uninspired. Yes, I'll no longer looking longingly at close cousins' entries on a Relative Finder list. I guess that's good. It'll probably cut back the flack they get from customers who want those cousins revealed. > > > ...I think 23andMe really is trying to cater to the genealogy side! ... > > Jim At US$199 plus shipping, I'd say they've limited the interest from genealogy-only participants. I assume one can continue to withdraw from the genome sharing? Better grab the segment list asap after it becomes available - those shy cousins may start disappearing when they realize how they're exposed. And another question - since they say that " Anyone with a nickname will be made anonymous" - I don't think they have anyway of determining the actual name of the test subject? They could be first name & initial? Or other configurations. Whatever.

Thanks Belinda. But now what I don't understand is: "...will remain visible until these members either choose a display name or opt out of the feature..."  The way I understand those words, if one is anonymous, stay anonymous and 23 will never do anything to you.  IOW nothing is going to change.  And all our frantic work is pointless. What worries me is: for being programmers, 23 sure seems to have people whose flow charts in their verbal communication come up to a branch point where one branch goes nowhere. On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:48:26 +1100, Belinda Dettmann wrote: John, I put your question to a staff member at 23andMe and got the following reply: "" Can someone say definitively, what happens to matches of ours who have accepted our Invite but continue to be Anonymous to the rest of their matches. The way I read 23's description, they're going to be all reverted to Anonymous and deleted from our lists." * That's not the case. First, all anonymous matches will remain visible until these members either choose a display name or opt out of the feature. Second, as mentioned in the original post, accepted introductions will be saved. The content of messages for introductions that have been accepted will be copied over to the updated messaging system in the new DNA Relatives. So if you have made contact with a match, this match will remain on your list and your messages will be available unless and until that match chooses to opt out of the feature." Belinda