Rob, will the download process get screwed up if we log in on 23andMe while DNAGedcom is working? As you may guess, I'm running the download at this moment. Karla On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Rob Warthen via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > You must be VERY patient with these files as it can continue to process in > the background even when your screen goes away. Try to come back in a > couple of hours and possibly run it again. > > -----Original Message----- > From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn Bess via > Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 12:27 PM > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DNA] Errors attempting to download COA files from Dnaged > > I have been attempting to download COA files with the utility in Dnaged. > one of the messages that I am getting is this: > Server Error in '/' Application. > ------------------------------ > *The process cannot access the file > 'F:\HostingSpaces\DNAGedcom\DNAGedcom.com\wwwroot\App_Data\Members\M E > C\23AndMe\genealogy1_verizon.net_23andMe_COA.csv' because it is being used > by another process* > > > What am I doing wrong? Do I have to be a member to use the tool. I have > logged out of 23andme. I have re-booted my computer to make sure I was > completely out. Marilyn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com

You must be VERY patient with these files as it can continue to process in the background even when your screen goes away. Try to come back in a couple of hours and possibly run it again. -----Original Message----- From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn Bess via Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 12:27 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Errors attempting to download COA files from Dnaged I have been attempting to download COA files with the utility in Dnaged. one of the messages that I am getting is this: Server Error in '/' Application. ------------------------------ *The process cannot access the file 'F:\HostingSpaces\DNAGedcom\DNAGedcom.com\wwwroot\App_Data\Members\M E C\23AndMe\genealogy1_verizon.net_23andMe_COA.csv' because it is being used by another process* What am I doing wrong? Do I have to be a member to use the tool. I have logged out of 23andme. I have re-booted my computer to make sure I was completely out. Marilyn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Tim, the probabilities are known to me and they are exactly that, probabilities. As Jim pointed out, there is no 100% guarantee. As for small segments (less than 7cM or less than 700 SNP) the probabilities posted are misleading as we only see what the DTC's already filtered out with their algorithms. So for 23andme for example those shown to me have a very high chance to triangulate into a group, for sure over 50%. The stats shown for the same 5cM segment give the real probability based on looking at all matches but like I said the DTC's filter out the rubbish (and some good ones) already on their side before presenting us the best matches. Andreas > On 9 Nov 2015, at 14:06, Tim Janzen via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Dear Andreas, > The answer to your question depends on a number of variables. The longer > the HIR in CoA that people are triangulating on the higher the probability > that you truly share DNA with the other people in question. This really > boils down to the IBS/IBD statistics that we have discussed on this list a > number of times previously. As a general rule HIRs over 15 cMs and > containing at least 2000 SNPs will be IBD and so any group of people who > triangulate on an HIR with these criteria will truly share the DNA segment > in question. When people are triangulating on fairly short HIRs such as > those with only 5 cMs and 500 SNPs then there is a strong possibility that > some of the people in the triangulated group won't actually share DNA with > each other, particularly if the group only has 3 or 4 people in it. When in > doubt try to use phased data in GEDmatch for the comparisons if that is > feasible. > Sincerely, > Tim Janzen > > -----Original Message----- > From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andreas West via > Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 8:10 PM > To: jlerch1@lighttube.net > Cc: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DNA] value of the present Countries of Ancestry > > > Is it 100% verified that you triangulate with a CoA match if you and another > person (so all three of you) match on that same segment? > > Andreas > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've been downloading them directly from 23andMe, and have had no problems (and I finished today - 1,110 files!) >From your 23andMe home page, choose MY RESULTS, and then at the bottom right of the next screen, ANCESTRY TOOLS. Then select Countries of Ancestry (top of the left column). This will display all your sharing matches, first the ones on your account, and then an alphabetical list of everybody else. Choose a name, wait for the results to come up. Just below the chromosome diagram is a link to download the results. What you'll get is a .csv file, which is text. Double-clicking on this will cause it to open in Excel, or you can import it into Excel or other software that recognizes this format. On Nov 9, 2015, at 5:00 PM, Marilyn Bess via wrote: > I had some success it downloaded about the first 50 of my matches. I am > wondering if that is the capacity of the program or if it timed out. > Marilyn > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Patricia Sheldon via < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> I am logged in and I am having the same problem. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Doris Wheeler via" <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> >> To: "Marilyn Bess" <marilynbess1939@gmail.com>; < >> genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 12:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [DNA] Errors attempting to download COA files from Dnaged >> >> >>> Marilyn, are you using the 23andMe log-in at DNAGedcom when you request >>> 23andMe files? >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Marilyn Bess via < >>> genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I have been attempting to download COA files with the utility in >> Dnaged. >>>> one of the messages that I am getting is this: >>>> Server Error in '/' Application. >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *The process cannot access the file >>>> 'F:\HostingSpaces\DNAGedcom\DNAGedcom.com\wwwroot\App_Data\Members\M E >>>> C\23AndMe\genealogy1_verizon.net_23andMe_COA.csv' because it is being >>>> used >>>> by another process* >>>> >>>> >>>> What am I doing wrong? Do I have to be a member to use the tool. I >> have >>>> logged out of 23andme. I have re-booted my computer to make sure I was >>>> completely out. Marilyn >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Filter = algorithm to improve the quality of IBD predictions. Andreas (WEST) born BASSO My ancestors: [http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family- Tree-23](http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family-Tree-23) "Ann Turner via" <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I'm not certain what you mean by filters, but 23andMe does have some > different thresholds in place for regions known to have "excess" IBD. They > increase the SNP and/or cM value, so if the "pile-up" is embedded in a > longer segment, it will pass muster. > > Ann Turner > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Jim Bartlett via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > wrote: > > > Andreas, > > 23andMe doesn't use filters, so we see many Matches there that the 3 > > DTCs > > didn't post. In my experience some of them are IBD and Triangulate, but > > many > > don't (and go into my IBS bin) > > > > > > > > Jim Bartlett > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message

This is crazy, got two more sharing requests accepted whilst writing the email. I guess these are genealogists who're as crazy as us, writing last minute invites! Go and try it yourself, Andreas (WEST) born BASSO My ancestors: [http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family- Tree-23](http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family-Tree-23) "Andreas West via" <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi, > > > not sure if everyone has done that, better do it now as time is expiring. I'm > in the process of inviting all the known people in my CoA (also the same for > my mum), especially those that match into known triangulated groups. > > How can you do it you might ask? Well, let's hope the name isn't to common (I > had a Frank Carter and there were too many). You just click on the Loupe > which > is in the top right corner at 23andme and in the search window you enter the > name (first and surname) and then click search. You can limit to people. If > you have more than one result, check for the upper and lowercase spelling or > nicknames. If it's too many, don't invite, only invite one. > > I just send out 30 invites and got already two who immediately shared, one is > matching into a known TG, the other not yet (all in 2h). Great success, no > idea why they weren't in my match list as I always invited all of them. > > Anyway, good luck for your research, > > Andreas (WEST) born BASSO > > My ancestors: [http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family- > Tree-23](http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family-Tree-23) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message

Hi, not sure if everyone has done that, better do it now as time is expiring. I'm in the process of inviting all the known people in my CoA (also the same for my mum), especially those that match into known triangulated groups. How can you do it you might ask? Well, let's hope the name isn't to common (I had a Frank Carter and there were too many). You just click on the Loupe which is in the top right corner at 23andme and in the search window you enter the name (first and surname) and then click search. You can limit to people. If you have more than one result, check for the upper and lowercase spelling or nicknames. If it's too many, don't invite, only invite one. I just send out 30 invites and got already two who immediately shared, one is matching into a known TG, the other not yet (all in 2h). Great success, no idea why they weren't in my match list as I always invited all of them. Anyway, good luck for your research, Andreas (WEST) born BASSO My ancestors: [http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family- Tree-23](http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family-Tree-23)

I had some success it downloaded about the first 50 of my matches. I am wondering if that is the capacity of the program or if it timed out. Marilyn On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Patricia Sheldon via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I am logged in and I am having the same problem. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doris Wheeler via" <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > To: "Marilyn Bess" <marilynbess1939@gmail.com>; < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: [DNA] Errors attempting to download COA files from Dnaged > > > > Marilyn, are you using the 23andMe log-in at DNAGedcom when you request > > 23andMe files? > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Marilyn Bess via < > > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > >> I have been attempting to download COA files with the utility in > Dnaged. > >> one of the messages that I am getting is this: > >> Server Error in '/' Application. > >> ------------------------------ > >> *The process cannot access the file > >> 'F:\HostingSpaces\DNAGedcom\DNAGedcom.com\wwwroot\App_Data\Members\M E > >> C\23AndMe\genealogy1_verizon.net_23andMe_COA.csv' because it is being > >> used > >> by another process* > >> > >> > >> What am I doing wrong? Do I have to be a member to use the tool. I > have > >> logged out of 23andme. I have re-booted my computer to make sure I was > >> completely out. Marilyn > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Kuba Keep in mind that a large percentage of those small and tiny matches are going to be false positives. I prefer to spend my time working with larger matches (12cM and larger) which are less likely to be false positives. RPaine -----Original Message----- From: Kuba Krchak via Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 2:02 PM To: G. Magoon ; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DNA] Have you invited all your CoA matches? Only less than 48hleft Greg, you will still only have 2000 matches, 7cM up. CoA gives you random public subset of 1000, but 5cM up, so there are definitely gonna be novel matches you never gonna find elsewhere. Regards, Kuba On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 7:12 PM, G. Magoon via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Andreas, > I had been under the (perhaps mistaken) impression that those who had > public names (and would be reported in the Countries of Ancestry download) > would still be available to receive genome sharing invitations following > the transformation. This is something I'd like to do eventually anyway, > but > is it necessary to do before the website changes? > Thanks, > Greg > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Andreas West via < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > This is crazy, got two more sharing requests accepted whilst writing the > > email. I guess these are genealogists who're as crazy as us, writing > > last > > minute invites! > > > > Go and try it yourself, > > > > Andreas (WEST) born BASSO > > > > My ancestors: [http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family- > > Tree-23](http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family-Tree-23) > > "Andreas West via" <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > not sure if everyone has done that, better do it now as time is > > expiring. I'm > > > in the process of inviting all the known people in my CoA (also the > same > > for > > > my mum), especially those that match into known triangulated groups. > > > > > > How can you do it you might ask? Well, let's hope the name isn't to > > common (I > > > had a Frank Carter and there were too many). You just click on the > Loupe > > > which > > > is in the top right corner at 23andme and in the search window you > enter > > the > > > name (first and surname) and then click search. You can limit to > people. > > If > > > you have more than one result, check for the upper and lowercase > > spelling or > > > nicknames. If it's too many, don't invite, only invite one. > > > > > > I just send out 30 invites and got already two who immediately shared, > > one is > > > matching into a known TG, the other not yet (all in 2h). Great > > > success, > > no > > > idea why they weren't in my match list as I always invited all of > > > them. > > > > > > Anyway, good luck for your research, > > > > > > Andreas (WEST) born BASSO > > > > > > My ancestors: [http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family- > > > Tree-23](http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family-Tree-23) > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA- > > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > the > > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Alison Countries of ancestry has a list you can download with some of the people you have matches with. Some are anonymous and some will show names. You can use the search function at 23andme to locate most of the people who show names and then invite those that you are not sharing with. You can download the countries of ancestry file for each person you share with and look for matches in common with your file. RPaine -----Original Message----- From: Alison Stevens via Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 12:53 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Who, exactly, are CoA matches? I'm still confused. Who are CoA matches? When you look at your dna donor's CoA page, there is a drop down menu in the upper left-- Show results for: These people seem to be the people who are your 'dna relatives' who you are also sharing genomes with? In the display of the chromosomes, there are colored blocks. If you hover a mouse over a colored block, sometimes information about 'your relative' shows up. Your relative is an anonymous match with whom you share this piece of dna on this chromosome? Other times if you hover a mouse over a colored block, information about a specific person shows up. The person does not show up in your dna donor's list of genetic relatives. There is the option to invite this person to share genomes. Are these the people you are inviting? Are these CoA matches? Thank you,Alisonback to lurking ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ann I tried to correct my post: I meant GEDmatch has no filters - I was thinking ahead and typed the wrong company. And I agree that GEDmatch has a high number of IBS in the 7-10cM range. A straight algorithm will pick out ways to match those segment when one or both are IBC/IBS. They make up for it by allowing direct comparisons between any two kits, and Triangulation will cull out most of the IBS. With GEDmatch I have several (bad) pile-on areas about 9cM wide with several hundreds of 7-8cM Match-segments in them - virtually none triangulate. Somehow both FTDNA and 23andMe don't report (filter out) most of these false Matches. Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Nov 9, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Ann Turner via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > That's my interpretation of the word, but I don't understand why Jim > Bartlett said 23andMe didn't have any filters and the 3 (?) "DTC" companies > do have filters. We know about AncestryDNA's Timber, FTDNA's 20 cM filter > (which seems ill-conceived) and the ability to set your own thresholds at > GEDmatch. GEDmatch suffers from the need to accommodate multiple testing > platforms and generates a high percentage of false positives. > > Ann Turner > >> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Ann Turner <dnacousins@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I'm not certain what you mean by filters, but 23andMe does have some >> different thresholds in place for regions known to have "excess" IBD. They >> increase the SNP and/or cM value, so if the "pile-up" is embedded in a >> longer segment, it will pass muster. >> >> Ann Turner >> >> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Jim Bartlett via < >> genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >>> Andreas, >>> 23andMe doesn't use filters, so we see many Matches there that the 3 >>> DTCs >>> didn't post. In my experience some of them are IBD and Triangulate, >>> but many >>> don't (and go into my IBS bin) >>> >>> >>> >>> Jim Bartlett >

Thanks, Ann, that's what I meant. I used "filter" as a generic term for what DTCs include in their algorithm to filter out IBS segments. Their efforts to get the highest ratio of IBD/IBS in our match list. Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Nov 9, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Ann Turner via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I'm not certain what you mean by filters, but 23andMe does have some > different thresholds in place for regions known to have "excess" IBD. They > increase the SNP and/or cM value, so if the "pile-up" is embedded in a > longer segment, it will pass muster. > > Ann Turner > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Jim Bartlett via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> wrote: > >> Andreas, >> 23andMe doesn't use filters, so we see many Matches there that the 3 >> DTCs >> didn't post. In my experience some of them are IBD and Triangulate, but >> many >> don't (and go into my IBS bin) >> >> >> >> Jim Bartlett >>

Greg I agree with you - this is change, with pluses and minuses - and I really believe the pluses for genealogists will out weigh the few minuses. With my Triangulated Groups I've been sending group emails to small groups, but I'm behind on contacting the 23andMe Matches as they are harder to do and are one-at-a-time. Maybe I can quickly catch up next week... Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Nov 9, 2015, at 1:11 PM, G. Magoon <gregm4584@gmail.com> wrote: > > Sorry Jim, I misinterpreted. I have heard of the benefits of using such a customized message, but I haven't yet found the energy to do this on a regular basis myself. > > More generally speaking, regarding the changes, it is sad to see Countries of Ancestry go, which I found to be a very useful tool; but it looks like the new group messaging capability could come in quite handy, particularly with triangulation and determining the common ancestor(s) for clusters of people sharing the same IBD segment: >> * Private 1:1 and group messaging >> The 23andMe Forums have their own messaging system. You can use private messaging to exchange more specific info or arrange to share your 23andMe reports. You can also message multiple people on the same thread, just like email. > > Another consolation for me (completely unrelated to these changes) is that a (previously unknown) first-cousin-once-removed for my grandmother has recently turned up for her 23andMe profile, which will be very interesting to explore. > > And it will be interesting to see how the dynamics play out with people opting in to open-sharing or new people becoming "public matches". I'm on the optimistic side, and I have been pleasantly surprised with the number of people that ended up becoming "public matches" following the introduction of that feature a few years ago. On the whole, it sounds like the DNA Relatives changes will make process of contacting and analyzing matches easier on the future, with the downside of losing some anonymous matches that may otherwise have responded (eventually). I think the simplification of the contact process along with the removal of anonymous matches may ultimately encourage participation. (My sense is that some of those who are less genealogically inclined may find the DNA Relatives results to be daunting or of questionable validity when they first login to their results and see 1000 or more matches reported as relatives.) > > On another recent GENEALOGY-DNA thread related to the 23andMe changes, I see that Eric has presented another potentially useful preparation step: canceling and resending invitations to the top matches, in hopes that this may get a few more matches out of the anonymity bucket. I'll probably give this a shot tonight. > > Greg > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> wrote: >> Greg >> >> Just to clarify, I use my standard message (not the 23andMe one) which gives my name, email, link to my Public Tree, GEDmatch Kit, and links to resources for atDNA beginners. I replace the 23andMe message with mine for each invite - it takes a little longer, but I think it's worth it. It's tiresome now trying to resend to all by tomorrow night >> >> Jim - www.segmentology.org >> >>> On Nov 9, 2015, at 11:11 AM, G. Magoon <gregm4584@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks very much Shannon and Jim. Glad to hear that the FI:A/triangulation capabilities will be retained. >>> >>> Jim, to clarify my first question, I was wondering about the "conversations" in the 23andMe messaging system (with DNA Relatives matches that accepted contact, but declined sharing name and genome), rather than the "introductions"/"invitations". The "conversations" with these anonymous matches can currently be accessed through "View conversation" link (under "Introduction Accepted") on the right side of the DNA Relatives screen, as shown in one of the screen captures on Shannon's blog post (or through the Inbox/Sent/Archived messages). >>> >>> As for the introductions/invitations, I'm not sure that the genome sharing invitation messages can currently be accessed by the sender. But, the outstanding DNA Relatives introduction messages, can, I think, be accessed through the "View" link (next to "Cancel"), beneath "Introduction Sent" in DNA Relatives…I think they also appear in the "Sent" section of the messaging system. It seems clear that the "introduction" messages will all be going away with the transformation…but not a big loss from my perspective…like you, I almost always use the standard introduction, and even in cases where I didn't, it doesn't contain anything that I don't already know. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> wrote: >>>> Greg, >>>> >>>> I'm curious. In 1) can you see those messages now? I always send a standard message, so I know what it says, but I don't know who I am sending it to, and don't know of a way to capture a link now. >>>> >>>> 23andMe has stated that the FI:A utility will remain - so yes, you should still be able to compare B to C. >>>> >>>> Since some folks (I hope most of the genealogists) will opt for the Public Sharing (like we have at FTDNA and GEDmatch), we will actually be getting many more Matches at 23andMe. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jim Bartlett >>>> >>>> On 11/09/15, G. Magoon via<genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks very much for this, Shannon. I had a couple of questions about the >>>> changes that I hadn't seen addressed anywhere (my apologies if these are >>>> already answered somewhere): >>>> 1) "Soon, any anonymous matches with whom you are not sharing genomes will >>>> be unreachable." Will we still have access to the old messages sent to/from >>>> these anonymous matches? >>>> 2) Will we retain the ability to do IBD cross-comparisons between people we >>>> are sharing with? (i.e. if we are sharing with B and sharing with C, will >>>> we still be able to see segments shared between B and C?) This is a really >>>> nice feature of the current site (if somewhat cumbersome to use >>>> extensively) as it can help with figuring out whether a particular match is >>>> on the maternal or paternal side and figuring out who is included in a >>>> group with a mutually shared IBD segment originating from the same ancestor. >>>> >>>> Thanks very much in advance, >>>> Greg >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Shannon Christmas via < >>>> genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Get ready for the new 23andMe. Here's how: >>>> > >>>> > http://throughthetreesblog.tumblr.com/post/132772718132/prepare-for-the-new-23andme >>>> > #genealogy >>>> > >>>> > Very Respectfully, >>>> > Shannon >>>> > -- >>>> > Mr. Shannon S. Christmas >>>> > Chief Market Advisor | Design Strategist >>>> > The Christmas Collective >>>> > <http://christmascollective.wix.com/the-christmas-collective> >>>> > Strategic Real Estate and Land Use Solutions >>>> > New York, NY | Washington, DC >>>> > P: 212.433.0586 | 202.618.1687 >>>> > F: 1.888.788.5984 >>>> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/shannonchristmas/ >>>> > >>>> > ------------------------------- >>>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> > >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Andreas, I had been under the (perhaps mistaken) impression that those who had public names (and would be reported in the Countries of Ancestry download) would still be available to receive genome sharing invitations following the transformation. This is something I'd like to do eventually anyway, but is it necessary to do before the website changes? Thanks, Greg On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Andreas West via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > This is crazy, got two more sharing requests accepted whilst writing the > email. I guess these are genealogists who're as crazy as us, writing last > minute invites! > > Go and try it yourself, > > Andreas (WEST) born BASSO > > My ancestors: [http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family- > Tree-23](http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family-Tree-23) > "Andreas West via" <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > > not sure if everyone has done that, better do it now as time is > expiring. I'm > > in the process of inviting all the known people in my CoA (also the same > for > > my mum), especially those that match into known triangulated groups. > > > > How can you do it you might ask? Well, let's hope the name isn't to > common (I > > had a Frank Carter and there were too many). You just click on the Loupe > > which > > is in the top right corner at 23andme and in the search window you enter > the > > name (first and surname) and then click search. You can limit to people. > If > > you have more than one result, check for the upper and lowercase > spelling or > > nicknames. If it's too many, don't invite, only invite one. > > > > I just send out 30 invites and got already two who immediately shared, > one is > > matching into a known TG, the other not yet (all in 2h). Great success, > no > > idea why they weren't in my match list as I always invited all of them. > > > > Anyway, good luck for your research, > > > > Andreas (WEST) born BASSO > > > > My ancestors: [http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family- > > Tree-23](http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family-Tree-23) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA- > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the > > subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sorry Jim, I misinterpreted. I have heard of the benefits of using such a customized message, but I haven't yet found the energy to do this on a regular basis myself. More generally speaking, regarding the changes, it is sad to see Countries of Ancestry go, which I found to be a very useful tool; but it looks like the new group messaging capability could come in quite handy, particularly with triangulation and determining the common ancestor(s) for clusters of people sharing the same IBD segment: > * Private 1:1 and group messaging > The 23andMe Forums have their own messaging system. You can use private > messaging to exchange more specific info or arrange to share your 23andMe > reports. You can also message multiple people on the same thread, just like > email. > Another consolation for me (completely unrelated to these changes) is that a (previously unknown) first-cousin-once-removed for my grandmother has recently turned up for her 23andMe profile, which will be very interesting to explore. And it will be interesting to see how the dynamics play out with people opting in to open-sharing or new people becoming "public matches". I'm on the optimistic side, and I have been pleasantly surprised with the number of people that ended up becoming "public matches" following the introduction of that feature a few years ago. On the whole, it sounds like the DNA Relatives changes will make process of contacting and analyzing matches easier on the future, with the downside of losing some anonymous matches that may otherwise have responded (eventually). I think the simplification of the contact process along with the removal of anonymous matches may ultimately encourage participation. (My sense is that some of those who are less genealogically inclined may find the DNA Relatives results to be daunting or of questionable validity when they first login to their results and see 1000 or more matches reported as relatives.) On another recent GENEALOGY-DNA thread related to the 23andMe changes, I see that Eric has presented another potentially useful preparation step: canceling and resending invitations to the top matches, in hopes that this may get a few more matches out of the anonymity bucket. I'll probably give this a shot tonight. Greg On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> wrote: > Greg > > Just to clarify, I use my standard message (not the 23andMe one) which > gives my name, email, link to my Public Tree, GEDmatch Kit, and links to > resources for atDNA beginners. I replace the 23andMe message with mine for > each invite - it takes a little longer, but I think it's worth it. It's > tiresome now trying to resend to all by tomorrow night > > Jim - www.segmentology.org > > On Nov 9, 2015, at 11:11 AM, G. Magoon <gregm4584@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks very much Shannon and Jim. Glad to hear that the FI:A/triangulation > capabilities will be retained. > > Jim, to clarify my first question, I was wondering about the > "conversations" in the 23andMe messaging system (with DNA Relatives matches > that accepted contact, but declined sharing name and genome), rather than > the "introductions"/"invitations". The "conversations" with these anonymous > matches can currently be accessed through "View conversation" link (under > "Introduction Accepted") on the right side of the DNA Relatives screen, as > shown in one of the screen captures on Shannon's blog post (or through the > Inbox/Sent/Archived messages). > > As for the introductions/invitations, I'm not sure that the genome sharing > invitation messages can currently be accessed by the sender. But, the > outstanding DNA Relatives introduction messages, can, I think, be accessed > through the "View" link (next to "Cancel"), beneath "Introduction Sent" in > DNA Relatives…I think they also appear in the "Sent" section of the > messaging system. It seems clear that the "introduction" messages will all > be going away with the transformation…but not a big loss from my > perspective…like you, I almost always use the standard introduction, and > even in cases where I didn't, it doesn't contain anything that I don't > already know. > > Greg > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> > wrote: > >> Greg, >> >> I'm curious. In 1) can you see those messages now? I always send a >> standard message, so I know what it says, but I don't know who I am sending >> it to, and don't know of a way to capture a link now. >> >> 23andMe has stated that the FI:A utility will remain - so yes, you should >> still be able to compare B to C. >> >> Since some folks (I hope most of the genealogists) will opt for the >> Public Sharing (like we have at FTDNA and GEDmatch), we will actually be >> getting many more Matches at 23andMe. >> >> >> >> Jim Bartlett >> >> On 11/09/15, G. Magoon via<genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks very much for this, Shannon. I had a couple of questions about the >> changes that I hadn't seen addressed anywhere (my apologies if these are >> already answered somewhere): >> 1) "Soon, any anonymous matches with whom you are not sharing genomes will >> be unreachable." Will we still have access to the old messages sent >> to/from >> these anonymous matches? >> 2) Will we retain the ability to do IBD cross-comparisons between people >> we >> are sharing with? (i.e. if we are sharing with B and sharing with C, will >> we still be able to see segments shared between B and C?) This is a really >> nice feature of the current site (if somewhat cumbersome to use >> extensively) as it can help with figuring out whether a particular match >> is >> on the maternal or paternal side and figuring out who is included in a >> group with a mutually shared IBD segment originating from the same >> ancestor. >> >> Thanks very much in advance, >> Greg >> >> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Shannon Christmas via < >> genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> > Get ready for the new 23andMe. Here's how: >> > >> > >> http://throughthetreesblog.tumblr.com/post/132772718132/prepare-for-the-new-23andme >> > #genealogy >> > >> > Very Respectfully, >> > Shannon >> > -- >> > Mr. Shannon S. Christmas >> > Chief Market Advisor | Design Strategist >> > The Christmas Collective >> > <http://christmascollective.wix.com/the-christmas-collective> >> > Strategic Real Estate and Land Use Solutions >> > New York, NY | Washington, DC >> > P: 212.433.0586 | 202.618.1687 >> > F: 1.888.788.5984 >> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/shannonchristmas/ >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to G >> ENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

I am logged in and I am having the same problem. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris Wheeler via" <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: "Marilyn Bess" <marilynbess1939@gmail.com>; <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [DNA] Errors attempting to download COA files from Dnaged > Marilyn, are you using the 23andMe log-in at DNAGedcom when you request > 23andMe files? > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Marilyn Bess via < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> I have been attempting to download COA files with the utility in Dnaged. >> one of the messages that I am getting is this: >> Server Error in '/' Application. >> ------------------------------ >> *The process cannot access the file >> 'F:\HostingSpaces\DNAGedcom\DNAGedcom.com\wwwroot\App_Data\Members\M E >> C\23AndMe\genealogy1_verizon.net_23andMe_COA.csv' because it is being >> used >> by another process* >> >> >> What am I doing wrong? Do I have to be a member to use the tool. I have >> logged out of 23andme. I have re-booted my computer to make sure I was >> completely out. Marilyn >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fully agree Jim. Btw, did you get my personal email? Andreas > On 9 Nov 2015, at 12:51, Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> wrote: > > Andreas > > If you "know" the other two; the three shared segments all overlap at least 7cM; and no pair are close relatives; I don't why it wouldn't be triangulation. 100% is hard to certify when using DNA; but the odds would be very high. > > So if the other person is Anon, I still don't see much value, other than stabilizing a TG. > > Jim - www.segmentology.org > >> On Nov 8, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Andreas West via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> It all depends why you're doing DNA genealogy. My goal is not only triangulation or corroborating of matches as IBD. I want to find the common ancestor as well and verify my family tree and correct/expand it. >> >> Is it 100% verified that you triangulate with a CoA match if you and another person (so all three of you) match on that same segment? >> >> But even then you can't communicate with that person. >> >> Andreas >> >>> On 9 Nov 2015, at 01:19, jlerch1@lighttube.net wrote: >>> >>> I guess I wasn't clear about the Anonymous persons with whom we match. The corroboration happens because on Countries of Ancestry as presently constructed I and my match who has no other corroboration BOTH MATCH the Anonymous person with supposed grandparent profile >>> (Vanuatu, Israel, Latvia, Slovakia) >>> ==>AT THE SAME SPOT my uncorroborated match and I match<==. As Jim B said, he (and I) on occassion even figured out who an anonymous person was. >>> Bottom line: I probably won't mind the new 23&Me setup. It's just that 23's various pronouncements are sufficiently ambiguous that unless they're saving a backup to the present setup, there potentially could be a lot of unhappy people here on genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com. >>> BTW the procedure above for corroborating my uncorroborated match worked better before 23 changed their protocol several months ago by increasing the weighting for grandparents with a profile of (4X Same Country) and (3X Same Country). >>> >>> >>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2015 16:38:18 +0800, Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> wrote: >>> It has no value as you will never find out on which chromosome and segment you match. As he/she isn't interested in genealogy. >>> >>> We have to accept that there are lots of people on 23andme that took the test for health concerns only. >>> >>> Also, as much as I love our hobby I also accepted that it's wrong to evangelize everyone how wonderful it is. Some people just don't want and the solution by 23andme is the best IMO. Let them have their peace. >>> >>> Andreas >>>

Marilyn, are you using the 23andMe log-in at DNAGedcom when you request 23andMe files? On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Marilyn Bess via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I have been attempting to download COA files with the utility in Dnaged. > one of the messages that I am getting is this: > Server Error in '/' Application. > ------------------------------ > *The process cannot access the file > 'F:\HostingSpaces\DNAGedcom\DNAGedcom.com\wwwroot\App_Data\Members\M E > C\23AndMe\genealogy1_verizon.net_23andMe_COA.csv' because it is being used > by another process* > > > What am I doing wrong? Do I have to be a member to use the tool. I have > logged out of 23andme. I have re-booted my computer to make sure I was > completely out. Marilyn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have been attempting to download COA files with the utility in Dnaged. one of the messages that I am getting is this: Server Error in '/' Application. ------------------------------ *The process cannot access the file 'F:\HostingSpaces\DNAGedcom\DNAGedcom.com\wwwroot\App_Data\Members\M E C\23AndMe\genealogy1_verizon.net_23andMe_COA.csv' because it is being used by another process* What am I doing wrong? Do I have to be a member to use the tool. I have logged out of 23andme. I have re-booted my computer to make sure I was completely out. Marilyn

Greg Just to clarify, I use my standard message (not the 23andMe one) which gives my name, email, link to my Public Tree, GEDmatch Kit, and links to resources for atDNA beginners. I replace the 23andMe message with mine for each invite - it takes a little longer, but I think it's worth it. It's tiresome now trying to resend to all by tomorrow night Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Nov 9, 2015, at 11:11 AM, G. Magoon <gregm4584@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks very much Shannon and Jim. Glad to hear that the FI:A/triangulation capabilities will be retained. > > Jim, to clarify my first question, I was wondering about the "conversations" in the 23andMe messaging system (with DNA Relatives matches that accepted contact, but declined sharing name and genome), rather than the "introductions"/"invitations". The "conversations" with these anonymous matches can currently be accessed through "View conversation" link (under "Introduction Accepted") on the right side of the DNA Relatives screen, as shown in one of the screen captures on Shannon's blog post (or through the Inbox/Sent/Archived messages). > > As for the introductions/invitations, I'm not sure that the genome sharing invitation messages can currently be accessed by the sender. But, the outstanding DNA Relatives introduction messages, can, I think, be accessed through the "View" link (next to "Cancel"), beneath "Introduction Sent" in DNA Relatives…I think they also appear in the "Sent" section of the messaging system. It seems clear that the "introduction" messages will all be going away with the transformation…but not a big loss from my perspective…like you, I almost always use the standard introduction, and even in cases where I didn't, it doesn't contain anything that I don't already know. > > Greg > >> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> wrote: >> Greg, >> >> I'm curious. In 1) can you see those messages now? I always send a standard message, so I know what it says, but I don't know who I am sending it to, and don't know of a way to capture a link now. >> >> 23andMe has stated that the FI:A utility will remain - so yes, you should still be able to compare B to C. >> >> Since some folks (I hope most of the genealogists) will opt for the Public Sharing (like we have at FTDNA and GEDmatch), we will actually be getting many more Matches at 23andMe. >> >> >> >> Jim Bartlett >> >> On 11/09/15, G. Magoon via<genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks very much for this, Shannon. I had a couple of questions about the >> changes that I hadn't seen addressed anywhere (my apologies if these are >> already answered somewhere): >> 1) "Soon, any anonymous matches with whom you are not sharing genomes will >> be unreachable." Will we still have access to the old messages sent to/from >> these anonymous matches? >> 2) Will we retain the ability to do IBD cross-comparisons between people we >> are sharing with? (i.e. if we are sharing with B and sharing with C, will >> we still be able to see segments shared between B and C?) This is a really >> nice feature of the current site (if somewhat cumbersome to use >> extensively) as it can help with figuring out whether a particular match is >> on the maternal or paternal side and figuring out who is included in a >> group with a mutually shared IBD segment originating from the same ancestor. >> >> Thanks very much in advance, >> Greg >> >> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Shannon Christmas via < >> genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> > Get ready for the new 23andMe. Here's how: >> > >> > http://throughthetreesblog.tumblr.com/post/132772718132/prepare-for-the-new-23andme >> > #genealogy >> > >> > Very Respectfully, >> > Shannon >> > -- >> > Mr. Shannon S. Christmas >> > Chief Market Advisor | Design Strategist >> > The Christmas Collective >> > <http://christmascollective.wix.com/the-christmas-collective> >> > Strategic Real Estate and Land Use Solutions >> > New York, NY | Washington, DC >> > P: 212.433.0586 | 202.618.1687 >> > F: 1.888.788.5984 >> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/shannonchristmas/ >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >