Lindsey What you want sounds like Genome Mate Pro to me. I started using it about 6 weeks ago and the most complicated bit is importing the data and there are videos of how to do it and use it. Have a look at the screen shots on the web or the very helpful Genome Mate Pro facebook group were the lady who made the program is a member. Regards Mike Fisher in Droitwich England On 03/12/2015 14:10, Lindsey Britton via wrote: > I've never even heard of Genome Mate Pro, but computationally intense sounds like something I might want to avoid. I'm used to the challenges of genealogy, but I don't want to be challenged by software. I don't suppose there is any simple program that allows one to place shared/identified segments on chromosomes. In other words, we have already identified a second cousin with whom my mother shares a number of large blocks so there is no doubt that all of them came from her maternal great grandmother. Likewise for the large blocks of shared by the fifth cousin once removed--also from her maternal great grandmother--and the fourth cousin once removed, from her paternal third great grandmother. > > Lindsey >

Perhaps in a few months.... Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Dec 3, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Margo Lurvey <mlurvey@juno.com> wrote: > > Jim, I hope you go ahead with such a blog, if you do I would like an invite!! > Margo > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Jim Bartlett via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>, genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH > Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 11:33:02 -0500 > > Lindsey > > I don't know of such a site. For your data, you might want to start a blog, and post your data the way you want. Then you could invite Matches to see it there. > Actually I might try that myself to post genealogy info (not Match names or kit numbers) about selected TGs. > > Jim - www.segmentology.org > >> On Dec 3, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> >> I've never even heard of Genome Mate Pro, but computationally intense sounds like something I might want to avoid. I'm used to the challenges of genealogy, but I don't want to be challenged by software. I don't suppose there is any simple program that allows one to place shared/identified segments on chromosomes. In other words, we have already identified a second cousin with whom my mother shares a number of large blocks so there is no doubt that all of them came from her maternal great grandmother. Likewise for the large blocks of shared by the fifth cousin once removed--also from her maternal great grandmother--and the fourth cousin once removed, from her paternal third great grandmother. >> >> Lindsey >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Karla Huebner <calypsospots@gmail.com> >> To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2015 8:52 am >> Subject: Re: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH >> >> >> >> Gedmatch gives everyone lots of tools, most of which are not found at FTDNA. The subscription adds a few computationally intense ones. If you use Genome Mate Pro, one of the pay tools at Gedmatch helps you get the data in better. >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ > Fannie May Chocolates > Join Us In Celebrating 95 Years of Creating Hand Crafted Chocolates! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/56607f048a7a87f04650dst04duc

Lindsey, Belinda answered your other points You can upload a gedcom to GEDmatch and associate your kit numbers to the appropriate people in the gedcomm Lorna Henderson http://LornaHen.com On 3/12/15 11:36, Lindsey Britton via wrote: > Can ancestral surnames be added to the profile so that matches can see them?

Lindsey I don't know of such a site. For your data, you might want to start a blog, and post your data the way you want. Then you could invite Matches to see it there. Actually I might try that myself to post genealogy info (not Match names or kit numbers) about selected TGs. Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Dec 3, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > I've never even heard of Genome Mate Pro, but computationally intense sounds like something I might want to avoid. I'm used to the challenges of genealogy, but I don't want to be challenged by software. I don't suppose there is any simple program that allows one to place shared/identified segments on chromosomes. In other words, we have already identified a second cousin with whom my mother shares a number of large blocks so there is no doubt that all of them came from her maternal great grandmother. Likewise for the large blocks of shared by the fifth cousin once removed--also from her maternal great grandmother--and the fourth cousin once removed, from her paternal third great grandmother. > > Lindsey > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karla Huebner <calypsospots@gmail.com> > To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2015 8:52 am > Subject: Re: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH > > > > Gedmatch gives everyone lots of tools, most of which are not found at FTDNA. The subscription adds a few computationally intense ones. If you use Genome Mate Pro, one of the pay tools at Gedmatch helps you get the data in better. > >

Lindsey You can actually save yourself a lot of time and effort by creating and posting a GEDcom Tree. There is free software, and all you need to enter are your ancestors with bmd dates and places. Many of your Matches would cheerfully search your Tree for Common Ancestors (I examine every Match Tree I can find - I have some deep roots (memorized surnames) and can scan a Tree pretty quickly). If you don't post a Tree, we are forced to contact you. And what can we ask? Give you a link to our Tree; or provide a long list of surnames (which usually involve more questions)? Many will just bypass you and look for others with Trees. Only a small percentage of atDNA testers are proactive. GEDmatch accepts GEDcoms linked to your DNA. They don't accept or show surnames. Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Dec 3, 2015, at 8:23 AM, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Thank you--I was thinking of a list of surnames, however, such as I entered at FTDNA, not a GEDCOM--I don't have one and don't want to take time to make one. Much of my genealogy is in notebooks (I started in 1990) and some in text format on my computer. > > Lindsey > > > -----Original Message----- > From: LornaMoa <lornamoa@gmail.com> > To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2015 6:54 pm > Subject: Re: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH > > Lindsey, > Belinda answered your other points > > You can upload a gedcom to GEDmatch and associate your kit numbers to > the appropriate people in the gedcomm > > Lorna Henderson > http://LornaHen.com > >> On 3/12/15 11:36, Lindsey Britton via wrote: >> Can ancestral surnames be added to the profile so that matches can see them? >

Lindsey My approach was to triangulate virtually all my Matches over 7cM. That covered just over 85% of my DNA. Then I dropped down and added segments 5-7cM - probably more than 90% did not triangulate with existing TGs which covered the same area. This mean they were IBS/false. The IBD small segments did help some TGs, and created just a few more - most fell within existing TGs - no help with coverage, but some were helpful confirming CAs. Starting over, I'd use 10cM to start - to build the initial set of TGs. Then add the 7-10cM segments; then add the 5-7cM shared segments. Build a strong base, then see what fits. I am not caught up with contacting every Match in each TG, so I'm not ready to try any segments below 5cM. They would get very boring - usually failing the triangulation process; and the CAs would probably be very distant. In a special interest TG, however, I might reconsider. Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Dec 3, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Some are under 5cm. I don't know whether smaller segments are common among European ancestors except perhaps those I found on the x chromosome which we appeared to share with dozens of other people who seemed to be related on more that one line. > > No answer yet to the first triangulation match I notified. So far I've done better taking a genealogical approach based on the nature of the match, matches in common, and surname lists. > > Lindsey > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> > To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2015 10:41 pm > Subject: Re: [DNA] Small segment matches when the common ancestors are known > > Not too much but you still have to set reasonable minimum criteria in SNP and genetic distance. > > Otherwise the same rules of triangulation apply, just be aware that there are very small segments like the Western Haplogroup Ancestral Segment on CHR 2 that everyone with European background seems to have. > > Andreas > >> On 3 Dec 2015, at 05:31, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> >> Is the approach different for segments less than 7cm when the relationship (for example 4th cousin once removed or 5th cousin once removed) and common ancestors are already known? >> >> Lindsey >>

Not too much but you still have to set reasonable minimum criteria in SNP and genetic distance. Otherwise the same rules of triangulation apply, just be aware that there are very small segments like the Western Haplogroup Ancestral Segment on CHR 2 that everyone with European background seems to have. Andreas > On 3 Dec 2015, at 05:31, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Is the approach different for segments less than 7cm when the relationship (for example 4th cousin once removed or 5th cousin once removed) and common ancestors are already known? > > Lindsey > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lindsey, no one can see detailed data like SNP's or so if that's your worry. Gedmatch does all the magic for you but only shows the summary data, never detailed data (same as the big 3 testing companies). So no worries Andreas > On 3 Dec 2015, at 06:03, Belinda Dettmann via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Yes, data at GEDMatch can be withdrawn, you have the option whether to show > an email address or not, you have the option to give an alias as well as a > real name, when only the alias will appear. If you do a 1-to-Many compare > you get a list of matches, ordered by total segments in common. Some of > these have emails beside the name (or alias), others don't. To contact > someone you click on the email address, or copy/paste it. If they don't have > one you can't do this. I personally have myself and other family members > (whose GEDMatch entries I control) with my email showing, but aliaseas > (mostly first names) for all entries but me. You also have the option not to > include a person in the public group, meaning they don't show up in the > 1-to-many comparison. You still have the option to compare them yourself in > 1-to-1 mode, if you know both ID numbers. I am not sure what will change at > 1 Dec but there is a notice there explaining it which I can't remember in > detail. > Belinda > > -----Original Message----- > From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lindsey Britton via > Sent: Thursday, 3 December 2015 9:36 AM > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH > > > Can data placed at GEDMATCH be withdrawn? > > Is one required to attach the person's real name to the data? > > How does the contact system work? > > Can ancestral surnames be added to the profile so that matches can see them? > > How much of the data can matches see? Is it possible to restrict access to > the data? > > Lindsey > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, data at GEDMatch can be withdrawn, you have the option whether to show an email address or not, you have the option to give an alias as well as a real name, when only the alias will appear. If you do a 1-to-Many compare you get a list of matches, ordered by total segments in common. Some of these have emails beside the name (or alias), others don't. To contact someone you click on the email address, or copy/paste it. If they don't have one you can't do this. I personally have myself and other family members (whose GEDMatch entries I control) with my email showing, but aliaseas (mostly first names) for all entries but me. You also have the option not to include a person in the public group, meaning they don't show up in the 1-to-many comparison. You still have the option to compare them yourself in 1-to-1 mode, if you know both ID numbers. I am not sure what will change at 1 Dec but there is a notice there explaining it which I can't remember in detail. Belinda -----Original Message----- From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lindsey Britton via Sent: Thursday, 3 December 2015 9:36 AM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH Can data placed at GEDMATCH be withdrawn? Is one required to attach the person's real name to the data? How does the contact system work? Can ancestral surnames be added to the profile so that matches can see them? How much of the data can matches see? Is it possible to restrict access to the data? Lindsey ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've never even heard of Genome Mate Pro, but computationally intense sounds like something I might want to avoid. I'm used to the challenges of genealogy, but I don't want to be challenged by software. I don't suppose there is any simple program that allows one to place shared/identified segments on chromosomes. In other words, we have already identified a second cousin with whom my mother shares a number of large blocks so there is no doubt that all of them came from her maternal great grandmother. Likewise for the large blocks of shared by the fifth cousin once removed--also from her maternal great grandmother--and the fourth cousin once removed, from her paternal third great grandmother. Lindsey -----Original Message----- From: Karla Huebner <calypsospots@gmail.com> To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2015 8:52 am Subject: Re: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH Gedmatch gives everyone lots of tools, most of which are not found at FTDNA. The subscription adds a few computationally intense ones. If you use Genome Mate Pro, one of the pay tools at Gedmatch helps you get the data in better. On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 8:29 AM, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: No, I wasn't thinking of SNPS--only the personal information which could be inferred from the data--eye color, ethnic, or medical or anything else of that kind. How much does GEDMATCH do, if one doesn't pay the monthly subscription? Is it any better than what is already available at FTDNA beyond the obvious fact that the database is broader? Lindsey -----Original Message----- From: Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> To: Belinda Dettmann <belindadettmann@optusnet.com.au>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Cc: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com> Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2015 10:33 pm Subject: Re: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH Lindsey, no one can see detailed data like SNP's or so if that's your worry. Gedmatch does all the magic for you but only shows the summary data, never detailed data (same as the big 3 testing companies). So no worries Andreas > On 3 Dec 2015, at 06:03, Belinda Dettmann via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Yes, data at GEDMatch can be withdrawn, you have the option whether to show > an email address or not, you have the option to give an alias as well as a > real name, when only the alias will appear. If you do a 1-to-Many compare > you get a list of matches, ordered by total segments in common. Some of > these have emails beside the name (or alias), others don't. To contact > someone you click on the email address, or copy/paste it. If they don't have > one you can't do this. I personally have myself and other family members > (whose GEDMatch entries I control) with my email showing, but aliaseas > (mostly first names) for all entries but me. You also have the option not to > include a person in the public group, meaning they don't show up in the > 1-to-many comparison. You still have the option to compare them yourself in > 1-to-1 mode, if you know both ID numbers. I am not sure what will change at > 1 Dec but there is a notice there explaining it which I can't remember in > detail. > Belinda > > -----Original Message----- > From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lindsey Britton via > Sent: Thursday, 3 December 2015 9:36 AM > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH > > > Can data placed at GEDMATCH be withdrawn? > > Is one required to attach the person's real name to the data? > > How does the contact system work? > > Can ancestral surnames be added to the profile so that matches can see them? > > How much of the data can matches see? Is it possible to restrict access to > the data? > > Lindsey > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com

Gedmatch gives everyone lots of tools, most of which are not found at FTDNA. The subscription adds a few computationally intense ones. If you use Genome Mate Pro, one of the pay tools at Gedmatch helps you get the data in better. On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 8:29 AM, Lindsey Britton via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > No, I wasn't thinking of SNPS--only the personal information which could > be inferred from the data--eye color, ethnic, or medical or anything else > of that kind. > > How much does GEDMATCH do, if one doesn't pay the monthly subscription? > Is it any better than what is already available at FTDNA beyond the obvious > fact that the database is broader? > > Lindsey > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> > To: Belinda Dettmann <belindadettmann@optusnet.com.au>; genealogy-dna < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Cc: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com> > Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2015 10:33 pm > Subject: Re: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH > > Lindsey, no one can see detailed data like SNP's or so if that's your > worry. > > Gedmatch does all the magic for you but only shows the summary data, never > detailed data (same as the big 3 testing companies). > > So no worries > > Andreas > > > On 3 Dec 2015, at 06:03, Belinda Dettmann via < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > Yes, data at GEDMatch can be withdrawn, you have the option whether to > show > > an email address or not, you have the option to give an alias as well as > a > > real name, when only the alias will appear. If you do a 1-to-Many compare > > you get a list of matches, ordered by total segments in common. Some of > > these have emails beside the name (or alias), others don't. To contact > > someone you click on the email address, or copy/paste it. If they don't > have > > one you can't do this. I personally have myself and other family members > > (whose GEDMatch entries I control) with my email showing, but aliaseas > > (mostly first names) for all entries but me. You also have the option > not to > > include a person in the public group, meaning they don't show up in the > > 1-to-many comparison. You still have the option to compare them yourself > in > > 1-to-1 mode, if you know both ID numbers. I am not sure what will change > at > > 1 Dec but there is a notice there explaining it which I can't remember in > > detail. > > Belinda > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lindsey > Britton via > > Sent: Thursday, 3 December 2015 9:36 AM > > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH > > > > > > Can data placed at GEDMATCH be withdrawn? > > > > Is one required to attach the person's real name to the data? > > > > How does the contact system work? > > > > Can ancestral surnames be added to the profile so that matches can see > them? > > > > How much of the data can matches see? Is it possible to restrict access > to > > the data? > > > > Lindsey > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com

Some are under 5cm. I don't know whether smaller segments are common among European ancestors except perhaps those I found on the x chromosome which we appeared to share with dozens of other people who seemed to be related on more that one line. No answer yet to the first triangulation match I notified. So far I've done better taking a genealogical approach based on the nature of the match, matches in common, and surname lists. Lindsey -----Original Message----- From: Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2015 10:41 pm Subject: Re: [DNA] Small segment matches when the common ancestors are known Not too much but you still have to set reasonable minimum criteria in SNP and genetic distance. Otherwise the same rules of triangulation apply, just be aware that there are very small segments like the Western Haplogroup Ancestral Segment on CHR 2 that everyone with European background seems to have. Andreas > On 3 Dec 2015, at 05:31, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Is the approach different for segments less than 7cm when the relationship (for example 4th cousin once removed or 5th cousin once removed) and common ancestors are already known? > > Lindsey > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No, I wasn't thinking of SNPS--only the personal information which could be inferred from the data--eye color, ethnic, or medical or anything else of that kind. How much does GEDMATCH do, if one doesn't pay the monthly subscription? Is it any better than what is already available at FTDNA beyond the obvious fact that the database is broader? Lindsey -----Original Message----- From: Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> To: Belinda Dettmann <belindadettmann@optusnet.com.au>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Cc: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com> Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2015 10:33 pm Subject: Re: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH Lindsey, no one can see detailed data like SNP's or so if that's your worry. Gedmatch does all the magic for you but only shows the summary data, never detailed data (same as the big 3 testing companies). So no worries Andreas > On 3 Dec 2015, at 06:03, Belinda Dettmann via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Yes, data at GEDMatch can be withdrawn, you have the option whether to show > an email address or not, you have the option to give an alias as well as a > real name, when only the alias will appear. If you do a 1-to-Many compare > you get a list of matches, ordered by total segments in common. Some of > these have emails beside the name (or alias), others don't. To contact > someone you click on the email address, or copy/paste it. If they don't have > one you can't do this. I personally have myself and other family members > (whose GEDMatch entries I control) with my email showing, but aliaseas > (mostly first names) for all entries but me. You also have the option not to > include a person in the public group, meaning they don't show up in the > 1-to-many comparison. You still have the option to compare them yourself in > 1-to-1 mode, if you know both ID numbers. I am not sure what will change at > 1 Dec but there is a notice there explaining it which I can't remember in > detail. > Belinda > > -----Original Message----- > From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lindsey Britton via > Sent: Thursday, 3 December 2015 9:36 AM > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH > > > Can data placed at GEDMATCH be withdrawn? > > Is one required to attach the person's real name to the data? > > How does the contact system work? > > Can ancestral surnames be added to the profile so that matches can see them? > > How much of the data can matches see? Is it possible to restrict access to > the data? > > Lindsey > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you--I was thinking of a list of surnames, however, such as I entered at FTDNA, not a GEDCOM--I don't have one and don't want to take time to make one. Much of my genealogy is in notebooks (I started in 1990) and some in text format on my computer. Lindsey -----Original Message----- From: LornaMoa <lornamoa@gmail.com> To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2015 6:54 pm Subject: Re: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH Lindsey, Belinda answered your other points You can upload a gedcom to GEDmatch and associate your kit numbers to the appropriate people in the gedcomm Lorna Henderson http://LornaHen.com On 3/12/15 11:36, Lindsey Britton via wrote: > Can ancestral surnames be added to the profile so that matches can see them?

Thank you--I'm glad to know one can use an alias. I don't see anything at GEDMATCH about changes starting December 1st. In fact, I don't see any information at all--only a page to register or login. Lindsey -----Original Message----- From: Belinda Dettmann <belindadettmann@optusnet.com.au> To: 'Lindsey Britton' <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2015 6:03 pm Subject: RE: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH Yes, data at GEDMatch can be withdrawn, you have the option whether to show an email address or not, you have the option to give an alias as well as a real name, when only the alias will appear. If you do a 1-to-Many compare you get a list of matches, ordered by total segments in common. Some of these have emails beside the name (or alias), others don't. To contact someone you click on the email address, or copy/paste it. If they don't have one you can't do this. I personally have myself and other family members (whose GEDMatch entries I control) with my email showing, but aliaseas (mostly first names) for all entries but me. You also have the option not to include a person in the public group, meaning they don't show up in the 1-to-many comparison. You still have the option to compare them yourself in 1-to-1 mode, if you know both ID numbers. I am not sure what will change at 1 Dec but there is a notice there explaining it which I can't remember in detail. Belinda -----Original Message----- From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lindsey Britton via Sent: Thursday, 3 December 2015 9:36 AM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH Can data placed at GEDMATCH be withdrawn? Is one required to attach the person's real name to the data? How does the contact system work? Can ancestral surnames be added to the profile so that matches can see them? How much of the data can matches see? Is it possible to restrict access to the data? Lindsey ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh we do have trees and different lines of ancestors that match, No way of knowing which ancestor line we are sharing on which CM! Not all Ancestry members will upload to GEDMATCH or transfer to FTDNA! I guess as long as we can see the Common Ancestors Ancestry figures that we don't need a Chrosome Browser! Margo ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Michael Fisher via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DNA] counting databases Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 15:26:39 +0000 Hi Margo Do they have online trees of all ancestor lines going back to a time where the match may have occurred? How would a DNA browser help if there is no records of the matches ancestry. I have " I have more ancestor matches than on or two!" on FTDNA and GEDMatch with no ancestor trees and don't respond to my contacts and if they do they have only researched limited lines. Mike. On 02/12/2015 15:11, Margo Lurvey via wrote: > I have found several trees on Ancestry DNA where I have more ancestor matches than on or two! I have absolutely no idea where my DNA Matches this person! We definitely need a CM browser on Ancestry!! > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ Top 7 credit cards for those of us with excellent ... These responses are not provided or commissioned by the credit card issuer. ... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/565f90a4de09110a4422bst01duc

Lindsey, The notice that Belinda mentioned applies to folks who don't have an email address displayed. I am one of the folks that thinks the change is a good one; approximately 25% of my matches do not have an email displayed. Removing them will make room for those interested in sharing info. Here's what the notice said: "Effective December 1, 2015, kits with hidden (private) email addresses are no longer shown in comparison results. If you have a hidden email address, you can make it visible by clicking on the EDIT link at the bottom of your DNA resources box. Users wishing to protect their identity and also have their data available in one-to-many should consider creating an email address for use with GEDmatch only and using an alias. You can then move your kit(s) to the new email account." Regards, Yolanda On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 5:54 PM, LornaMoa via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Lindsey, > Belinda answered your other points > > You can upload a gedcom to GEDmatch and associate your kit numbers to > the appropriate people in the gedcomm > > Lorna Henderson > http://LornaHen.com > > On 3/12/15 11:36, Lindsey Britton via wrote: >> Can ancestral surnames be added to the profile so that matches can see them? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sam I wrote the blogpost specifically to get away from such broad generalities. I don't want to try to paint an entire population with one brush stroke. You need to look at each case separately to draw any conclusions. If you insist on treating it as a homogeneous group, you'd need to guess at the Endogamy factor. Say you guess it's 17... Then you'd assume your Match also had 17. In that case you'd multiply the nominal shared DNA for a cousinship level by 34. Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Dec 2, 2015, at 6:59 PM, Sam Sloan <samhsloan@gmail.com> wrote: > > In Pakistan, 80% of the population is married to their first cousin. How does that affect their DNA? > > Sam Sloan > >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Jim Bartlett via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> I just published a blogpost about endogamy - shared DNA >> at http://segmentology.org/2015/12/02/endogamy-i/ >> The bottom line is that endogamy only affects the shared DNA when you >> and/or your Match have your Common Ancestor in you Tree(s) more than >> once. >> For each time the Common Ancestor is repeated in a Tree, the nominal >> shared DNA is multiplied by that factor: E3 is 3 CAs in a Tree and the >> nominal total shared DNA will be multiplied by 3. >> In general endogamy does not increase the size of shared segments, just >> the total amount. >> In general, we don't have close endogamy, it's usually back in our >> ancestry somewhere. The multiplying effect of endogamy is offset by the >> small amounts of shared DNA with distant cousins. >> However, between endogamy and wide tails on cM distribution curves, we >> get enough shared DNA so that most of our Matches appear to be in the >> 6-8th cousinship range. >> >> >> Jim Bartlett www.segmentology.org >> >> >

One of my projects is an endogamous group in the US in more recent history. My great grandparents were first cousin. In the area where they lived there were only a handful of families and newcomers were discouraged from settling in the area so there was a LOT of intermarriage. I have the same 3d great grandfather in my tree three times and another one twice. I have cousins from this area who are 4th cousins but appear to be 2d cousins, however, even this cannot be generalized in the numbers due to the randomness of inheritance as I have some others who are also multiple cousins (I say multiple as it is beyond double--some are 4th cousins EIGHT AND NINE times)And yes, my mother is my cousin several times too! LOL Anyway bottom line it is as unpredictable as normal inheritance that doesn't include recent kinships such as this. Some share more than you would expect, others are closer to spot on with the predictions. I took an interest in this topic a little over two years ago and was suprised, pleasantly at the number of cousins on that side of the family who were willing to test to see how our kinships played out knowing many of us share the same ancestors more than one in our trees. On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Jim Bartlett via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > wrote: > I just published a blogpost about endogamy - shared DNA > at http://segmentology.org/2015/12/02/endogamy-i/ > The bottom line is that endogamy only affects the shared DNA when you > and/or your Match have your Common Ancestor in you Tree(s) more than > once. > For each time the Common Ancestor is repeated in a Tree, the nominal > shared DNA is multiplied by that factor: E3 is 3 CAs in a Tree and the > nominal total shared DNA will be multiplied by 3. > In general endogamy does not increase the size of shared segments, just > the total amount. > In general, we don't have close endogamy, it's usually back in our > ancestry somewhere. The multiplying effect of endogamy is offset by the > small amounts of shared DNA with distant cousins. > However, between endogamy and wide tails on cM distribution curves, we > get enough shared DNA so that most of our Matches appear to be in the > 6-8th cousinship range. > > > Jim Bartlett www.segmentology.org > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Lisa R Franklin RN,BSN Admin, Franklin Y DNA Project http://trackingyourroots.com/FranklinGenetics/ FranklinGenetics@gmail.com http://trackingyourroots.com/DNA (How To presentation (23andme), tips, & helps. *2**3**&**m**e**: **The World's Largest database & coincidentally the ONLY one with all the tools you need for genealogy and DNA!--* http://refer.23andme.com/v2/share/6158544791499756901/4672616e6b6c696e47656e657469637340676d61696c2e636f6d BEST GENETIC GENEALOGY BOOK! http://www.amazon.com/Genetic-Genealogy-Emily-D-Aulicino-ebook/dp/B00HJJWBU2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391174801&sr=8-1&keywords=Genetic+Genealogy

Can data placed at GEDMATCH be withdrawn? Is one required to attach the person's real name to the data? How does the contact system work? Can ancestral surnames be added to the profile so that matches can see them? How much of the data can matches see? Is it possible to restrict access to the data? Lindsey