Barb- What was your father's predicted haplogroup at 23andMe? That will provide a good indication of how many markers he would need to test at FamilyTree DNA in order to (hope to) find meaningful information on the paternal line. Mary Mary E Hall Santa Barbara, CA On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 5:39 AM, Barbara Ryan via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > wrote: > I have taken the autosomal test at 23andMe but am interested in pursuing my > father's line (surname) so would like to purchase a Y-DNA test kit for my > brother to use. > > > > Which company's test is best, or is FTDNA the only one that offers it? > > Is the 37 markers test sufficient? Are additional markers cost effective? > > Are the current holiday discounts substantial, or does FT typically offer > discounts throughout the year? > > > > Thanks! > Barb R. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I got one last night but it is still not competitive with the other companies - 25% off new normal price -----Original Message----- From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Franklin Genetics via Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 6:40 AM To: steven perkins; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DNA] 23andme sale When?? On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:05 PM, steven perkins via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > 23andme is sending out email announcements of a sale on test kits. > > -- > Steven C. Perkins SCPerkins@gmail.com http://stevencperkins.com/ > Indigenous Peoples' Rights > http://intelligent-internet.info/law/ipr2.html > Indigenous & Ethnic Minority Legal News http://iemlnews.blogspot.com/ > Online Journal of Genetics and Genealogy > http://jgg-online.blogspot.com/ S.C. Perkins' Genealogy Page http://stevencperkins.com/genealogy.html > S.C. Perkins' Genealogy Blog http://scpgen.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Lisa R Franklin RN,BSN Admin, Franklin Y DNA Project http://trackingyourroots.com/FranklinGenetics/ FranklinGenetics@gmail.com http://trackingyourroots.com/DNA (How To presentation (23andme), tips, & helps. *2**3**&**m**e**: **The World's Largest database & coincidentally the ONLY one with all the tools you need for genealogy and DNA!--* http://refer.23andme.com/v2/share/6158544791499756901/4672616e6b6c696e47656e 657469637340676d61696c2e636f6d BEST GENETIC GENEALOGY BOOK! http://www.amazon.com/Genetic-Genealogy-Emily-D-Aulicino-ebook/dp/B00HJJWBU2 /ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391174801&sr=8-1&keywords=Genetic+Genealogy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When?? On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:05 PM, steven perkins via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > 23andme is sending out email announcements of a sale on test kits. > > -- > Steven C. Perkins SCPerkins@gmail.com http://stevencperkins.com/ > Indigenous Peoples' Rights http://intelligent-internet.info/law/ipr2.html > Indigenous & Ethnic Minority Legal News http://iemlnews.blogspot.com/ > Online Journal of Genetics and Genealogy http://jgg-online.blogspot.com/ > S.C. Perkins' Genealogy Page http://stevencperkins.com/genealogy.html > S.C. Perkins' Genealogy Blog http://scpgen.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Lisa R Franklin RN,BSN Admin, Franklin Y DNA Project http://trackingyourroots.com/FranklinGenetics/ FranklinGenetics@gmail.com http://trackingyourroots.com/DNA (How To presentation (23andme), tips, & helps. *2**3**&**m**e**: **The World's Largest database & coincidentally the ONLY one with all the tools you need for genealogy and DNA!--* http://refer.23andme.com/v2/share/6158544791499756901/4672616e6b6c696e47656e657469637340676d61696c2e636f6d BEST GENETIC GENEALOGY BOOK! http://www.amazon.com/Genetic-Genealogy-Emily-D-Aulicino-ebook/dp/B00HJJWBU2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391174801&sr=8-1&keywords=Genetic+Genealogy

Glad you got it sorted out Wesley, I figured the code box at the beginning threw you, I was thrown by it the first time too. When folks are used to seeing something in a certain place - last step in the ordering process - it's easy to miss when it is placed somewhere different. Same reason there was so much grief going from MS products menu bars to the stupid 'ribbon'. They totally moved everything around after having set a standard for years and completly flummoxed all their users-- many switched to Open Office to avoid the frustration at the time. Luckily I was a heavy keyboard shortcut user and those didn't change. It is frustrating though and I feel your pain. On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 11:03 PM, Wesley Johnston via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Well, I need to eat some of my words. > I was very upset by the transaction coming to an end without having the > chance to enter the discount codes. And this clearly colored my reading of > the charges. In fact, the sale prices were what I was charged. So I only > paid $15 more than I should have. > I received an e-mail from FTDNA, since I filed an e-mail request, and the > problem with the discount codes is that -- unlike every other payment > website where I have used discount codes -- the codes have to be entered at > the very beginning of the process, before the name and address information > and not at all on the payment screen. So I had missed the fact that the > website wanted the coupon codes at that early point in the process. And I > have supplied the codes to FTDNA, who will rectify the charges to give me > the discounts that the codes offer. > There was another problem that is not yet resolved, since I did not report > it in my initial request to FTDNA. After the purchase, I received an e-mail > with a Bonus Button that was supposed to be clickable and give me some kind > of bonus. But clicking on the Bonus Button does absolutely nothing. I > reported this in my reply to FTDNA's response to my request. So this too > should be resolved. > So it looks like things are going to be handled. The ultimate source of > the problem though -- the unusual place for the discount codes -- probably > is not going to be changed. > So at least anyone reading this will not fall into the same problem that I > did: put your discount code in at the start of the process and do not > expect it to show up when you get to the payment screen. > From: Loretta Layman <lynneage@h-o-l.com> > To: 'Wesley Johnston' <wwjohnston01@yahoo.com>; > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 7:56 PM > Subject: RE: [DNA] Very Upset with FTDNA - No Sale Price, No Chance to > Enter Discount Codes > > I too recommend calling FTDNA first thing in the morning at (713) 868-1438 > . > As a project administrator, I have had to call them a few times over the > years, and they have always been diligent to resolve any problems of this > nature. > > Loretta > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wesley Johnston > via > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 9:52 PM > To: Genealogy-dna > Subject: [DNA] Very Upset with FTDNA - No Sale Price, No Chance to Enter > Discount Codes > > I just order a Family Tree DNA kit for a relative via the web site. > I had discount codes for both of the tests (Family Finder and Full mtDNA). > Instead of the sale price, I was charged full price. > Instead of being given a chance to enter the discount codes and obtain the > much-vaunted discounts in the fancy surprise packages, I was given no > opportunity in the ordering process that I could see to enter the codes. > The bottom line is that I was just charged $55 more than I was supposed to > be charged, if FTDNA was really honoring the sales prices and the discount > codes. > This is deeply upsetting. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Lisa R Franklin RN,BSN Admin, Franklin Y DNA Project http://trackingyourroots.com/FranklinGenetics/ FranklinGenetics@gmail.com http://trackingyourroots.com/DNA (How To presentation (23andme), tips, & helps. *2**3**&**m**e**: **The World's Largest database & coincidentally the ONLY one with all the tools you need for genealogy and DNA!--* http://refer.23andme.com/v2/share/6158544791499756901/4672616e6b6c696e47656e657469637340676d61696c2e636f6d BEST GENETIC GENEALOGY BOOK! http://www.amazon.com/Genetic-Genealogy-Emily-D-Aulicino-ebook/dp/B00HJJWBU2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391174801&sr=8-1&keywords=Genetic+Genealogy

The sale information is e-mailed directly to existing 23andMe customers, and the link is keyed to your account. It will be good until January 8th. You can use the same link three times with up to 10 kits each time. I received my link several hours after I first heard it mentioned. Be sure to check your spam folder if you haven't received it. Ann Turner On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 4:39 AM, Franklin Genetics via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > When?? > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:05 PM, steven perkins via < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > 23andme is sending out email announcements of a sale on test kits. > > > > -- > > Steven C. Perkins SCPerkins@gmail.com > http://stevencperkins.com/ > > Indigenous Peoples' Rights > http://intelligent-internet.info/law/ipr2.html > > Indigenous & Ethnic Minority Legal News http://iemlnews.blogspot.com/ > > Online Journal of Genetics and Genealogy > http://jgg-online.blogspot.com/ > > S.C. Perkins' Genealogy Page http://stevencperkins.com/genealogy.html > > S.C. Perkins' Genealogy Blog http://scpgen.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Lisa R Franklin RN,BSN > Admin, Franklin Y DNA Project > http://trackingyourroots.com/FranklinGenetics/ > FranklinGenetics@gmail.com > http://trackingyourroots.com/DNA (How To presentation (23andme), tips, & > helps. > > *2**3**&**m**e**: **The World's Largest database & coincidentally the ONLY > one with all the tools you need for genealogy and DNA!--* > > http://refer.23andme.com/v2/share/6158544791499756901/4672616e6b6c696e47656e657469637340676d61696c2e636f6d > > BEST GENETIC GENEALOGY BOOK! > > http://www.amazon.com/Genetic-Genealogy-Emily-D-Aulicino-ebook/dp/B00HJJWBU2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391174801&sr=8-1&keywords=Genetic+Genealogy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Have you called them ? I recommend calling them first thing in the morning. So far I've had good luck if I call and explain the situation. They usually adjust . -- Sent from myMail app for Android Thursday, 03 December 2015, 08:51PM -06:00 from Wesley Johnston via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> : >I just order a Family Tree DNA kit for a relative via the web site. >I had discount codes for both of the tests (Family Finder and Full mtDNA). >Instead of the sale price, I was charged full price. >Instead of being given a chance to enter the discount codes and obtain the much-vaunted discounts in the fancy surprise packages, I was given no opportunity in the ordering process that I could see to enter the codes. >The bottom line is that I was just charged $55 more than I was supposed to be charged, if FTDNA was really honoring the sales prices and the discount codes. >This is deeply upsetting. > >  >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, I need to eat some of my words. I was very upset by the transaction coming to an end without having the chance to enter the discount codes. And this clearly colored my reading of the charges. In fact, the sale prices were what I was charged. So I only paid $15 more than I should have. I received an e-mail from FTDNA, since I filed an e-mail request, and the problem with the discount codes is that -- unlike every other payment website where I have used discount codes -- the codes have to be entered at the very beginning of the process, before the name and address information and not at all on the payment screen. So I had missed the fact that the website wanted the coupon codes at that early point in the process. And I have supplied the codes to FTDNA, who will rectify the charges to give me the discounts that the codes offer. There was another problem that is not yet resolved, since I did not report it in my initial request to FTDNA. After the purchase, I received an e-mail with a Bonus Button that was supposed to be clickable and give me some kind of bonus. But clicking on the Bonus Button does absolutely nothing. I reported this in my reply to FTDNA's response to my request. So this too should be resolved. So it looks like things are going to be handled. The ultimate source of the problem though -- the unusual place for the discount codes -- probably is not going to be changed. So at least anyone reading this will not fall into the same problem that I did: put your discount code in at the start of the process and do not expect it to show up when you get to the payment screen. From: Loretta Layman <lynneage@h-o-l.com> To: 'Wesley Johnston' <wwjohnston01@yahoo.com>; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 7:56 PM Subject: RE: [DNA] Very Upset with FTDNA - No Sale Price, No Chance to Enter Discount Codes I too recommend calling FTDNA first thing in the morning at (713) 868-1438. As a project administrator, I have had to call them a few times over the years, and they have always been diligent to resolve any problems of this nature. Loretta -----Original Message----- From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wesley Johnston via Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 9:52 PM To: Genealogy-dna Subject: [DNA] Very Upset with FTDNA - No Sale Price, No Chance to Enter Discount Codes I just order a Family Tree DNA kit for a relative via the web site. I had discount codes for both of the tests (Family Finder and Full mtDNA). Instead of the sale price, I was charged full price. Instead of being given a chance to enter the discount codes and obtain the much-vaunted discounts in the fancy surprise packages, I was given no opportunity in the ordering process that I could see to enter the codes. The bottom line is that I was just charged $55 more than I was supposed to be charged, if FTDNA was really honoring the sales prices and the discount codes. This is deeply upsetting. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just order a Family Tree DNA kit for a relative via the web site. I had discount codes for both of the tests (Family Finder and Full mtDNA). Instead of the sale price, I was charged full price. Instead of being given a chance to enter the discount codes and obtain the much-vaunted discounts in the fancy surprise packages, I was given no opportunity in the ordering process that I could see to enter the codes. The bottom line is that I was just charged $55 more than I was supposed to be charged, if FTDNA was really honoring the sales prices and the discount codes. This is deeply upsetting.

23andme is sending out email announcements of a sale on test kits. -- Steven C. Perkins SCPerkins@gmail.com http://stevencperkins.com/ Indigenous Peoples' Rights http://intelligent-internet.info/law/ipr2.html Indigenous & Ethnic Minority Legal News http://iemlnews.blogspot.com/ Online Journal of Genetics and Genealogy http://jgg-online.blogspot.com/ S.C. Perkins' Genealogy Page http://stevencperkins.com/genealogy.html S.C. Perkins' Genealogy Blog http://scpgen.blogspot.com/

I too recommend calling FTDNA first thing in the morning at (713) 868-1438. As a project administrator, I have had to call them a few times over the years, and they have always been diligent to resolve any problems of this nature. Loretta -----Original Message----- From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wesley Johnston via Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 9:52 PM To: Genealogy-dna Subject: [DNA] Very Upset with FTDNA - No Sale Price, No Chance to Enter Discount Codes I just order a Family Tree DNA kit for a relative via the web site. I had discount codes for both of the tests (Family Finder and Full mtDNA). Instead of the sale price, I was charged full price. Instead of being given a chance to enter the discount codes and obtain the much-vaunted discounts in the fancy surprise packages, I was given no opportunity in the ordering process that I could see to enter the codes. The bottom line is that I was just charged $55 more than I was supposed to be charged, if FTDNA was really honoring the sales prices and the discount codes. This is deeply upsetting. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim, I hope you go ahead with such a blog, if you do I would like an invite!! Margo ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Jim Bartlett via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>, genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 11:33:02 -0500 Lindsey I don't know of such a site. For your data, you might want to start a blog, and post your data the way you want. Then you could invite Matches to see it there. Actually I might try that myself to post genealogy info (not Match names or kit numbers) about selected TGs. Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Dec 3, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > I've never even heard of Genome Mate Pro, but computationally intense sounds like something I might want to avoid. I'm used to the challenges of genealogy, but I don't want to be challenged by software. I don't suppose there is any simple program that allows one to place shared/identified segments on chromosomes. In other words, we have already identified a second cousin with whom my mother shares a number of large blocks so there is no doubt that all of them came from her maternal great grandmother. Likewise for the large blocks of shared by the fifth cousin once removed--also from her maternal great grandmother--and the fourth cousin once removed, from her paternal third great grandmother. > > Lindsey > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karla Huebner <calypsospots@gmail.com> > To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2015 8:52 am > Subject: Re: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH > > > > Gedmatch gives everyone lots of tools, most of which are not found at FTDNA. The subscription adds a few computationally intense ones. If you use Genome Mate Pro, one of the pay tools at Gedmatch helps you get the data in better. > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ The 7 Most Amazing Credit Cards If You Have Excellent ... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/56607f04cf9df7f044cebst03duc

Lindsey Our paper trail means nothing to the DNA. The DNA passes down just the same for rich/poor, famous/not-so, known relatives/not known. Just because we know the cousin, doesn't, somehow, change the quality of segments. The average ratio of IBD/IBS at any cM value will not change. Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Dec 3, 2015, at 3:06 PM, Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com> wrote: > > I will definitely concentrate on the large segments. I was just wondering whether it was reasonable to assume small segments were likely to be ancestral, too, once the relationship and common ancestors had been identified. > > Lindsey > >

I wonder if it is any better with Ashkenazi genomes. Mine used to crash the database so frequently I had to stop using it about 6 months to a year ago. -----Original Message----- From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brooks Family via Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 3:28 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH "... Genome Mate Pro ...the most complicated bit is importing the data and there are videos of how to do it and use it. " I really like using GenomeMate. IMO, it's way easier than using a spreadsheet. It also makes looking for shared/InCommonWith cousins a breeze. For gedmatch, just run a one-to-many with your match's kit number, upload the results to gedmatch - voila, it sorts 'em out. Used to work with Countries of Ancestry, too. Sigh. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I prefer to spend time researching rather than publishing, but I have been publishing in journals over the past several years mainly to call attention to my Britton DNA project. When larger autosomal databases and more powerful and user-friendly tools become available, my priorities may change. For the present, however, autosomal DNA is too time intensive although I will continue to work on it whenever I see a chance to identify a common ancestor and I will probably try GEDMATCH. Lindsey -----Original Message----- From: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> To: lplantagenet <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com>; jim4bartletts <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2015 3:11 pm Subject: Re: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH Some people feel a proprietary interest in the research they've done on their forebears but I think you have to release the concept that you own the details of your ancestors. The ghosts of your ancestors have chosen you to document their lives because they want that to be known to the world. Sometimes you get a pesky ghost who channels your energy into document *their* life because they know no one else is around to do it. People misquote and appropriate my research all the time, it's a form of flattery perhaps, at least you can say you were the first to find the information. But if you don't publish as often and as widely as possible, you're doing yourself the disservice that you may never break down that brick wall because the cousin looking for you, can't find you. -----Original Message----- From: Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: jim4bartletts <jim4bartletts@verizon.net>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2015 12:06 pm Subject: Re: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH Jim, You are right about the temptation to bypass those without trees. I tend to ignore anyone who didn't post a surname list at FTDNA, although I must admit that mine is not complete because some of my lines go back to the 1500s and well beyond. So length is one reason I am reluctant to make a GEDCOM--privacy is the other--I have always refrained from putting much genealogical information online where it might be misquoted, appropriated, or improperly used. But I can understand why this policy would make others reluctant to contact me. Lindsey -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2015 11:27 am Subject: Re: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH Lindsey You can actually save yourself a lot of time and effort by creating and posting a GEDcom Tree. There is free software, and all you need to enter are your ancestors with bmd dates and places. Many of your Matches would cheerfully search your Tree for Common Ancestors (I examine every Match Tree I can find - I have some deep roots (memorized surnames) and can scan a Tree pretty quickly). If you don't post a Tree, we are forced to contact you. And what can we ask? Give you a link to our Tree; or provide a long list of surnames (which usually involve more questions)? Many will just bypass you and look for others with Trees. Only a small percentage of atDNA testers are proactive. GEDmatch accepts GEDcoms linked to your DNA. They don't accept or show surnames. Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Dec 3, 2015, at 8:23 AM, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Thank you--I was thinking of a list of surnames, however, such as I entered at FTDNA, not a GEDCOM--I don't have one and don't want to take time to make one. Much of my genealogy is in notebooks (I started in 1990) and some in text format on my computer. > > Lindsey > > > -----Original Message----- > From: LornaMoa <lornamoa@gmail.com> > To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2015 6:54 pm > Subject: Re: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH > > Lindsey, > Belinda answered your other points > > You can upload a gedcom to GEDmatch and associate your kit numbers to > the appropriate people in the gedcomm > > Lorna Henderson > http://LornaHen.com > >> On 3/12/15 11:36, Lindsey Britton via wrote: >> Can ancestral surnames be added to the profile so that matches can see them? > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Some people feel a proprietary interest in the research they've done on their forebears but I think you have to release the concept that you own the details of your ancestors. The ghosts of your ancestors have chosen you to document their lives because they want that to be known to the world. Sometimes you get a pesky ghost who channels your energy into document *their* life because they know no one else is around to do it. People misquote and appropriate my research all the time, it's a form of flattery perhaps, at least you can say you were the first to find the information. But if you don't publish as often and as widely as possible, you're doing yourself the disservice that you may never break down that brick wall because the cousin looking for you, can't find you. -----Original Message----- From: Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: jim4bartletts <jim4bartletts@verizon.net>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2015 12:06 pm Subject: Re: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH Jim, You are right about the temptation to bypass those without trees. I tend to ignore anyone who didn't post a surname list at FTDNA, although I must admit that mine is not complete because some of my lines go back to the 1500s and well beyond. So length is one reason I am reluctant to make a GEDCOM--privacy is the other--I have always refrained from putting much genealogical information online where it might be misquoted, appropriated, or improperly used. But I can understand why this policy would make others reluctant to contact me. Lindsey -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2015 11:27 am Subject: Re: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH Lindsey You can actually save yourself a lot of time and effort by creating and posting a GEDcom Tree. There is free software, and all you need to enter are your ancestors with bmd dates and places. Many of your Matches would cheerfully search your Tree for Common Ancestors (I examine every Match Tree I can find - I have some deep roots (memorized surnames) and can scan a Tree pretty quickly). If you don't post a Tree, we are forced to contact you. And what can we ask? Give you a link to our Tree; or provide a long list of surnames (which usually involve more questions)? Many will just bypass you and look for others with Trees. Only a small percentage of atDNA testers are proactive. GEDmatch accepts GEDcoms linked to your DNA. They don't accept or show surnames. Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Dec 3, 2015, at 8:23 AM, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Thank you--I was thinking of a list of surnames, however, such as I entered at FTDNA, not a GEDCOM--I don't have one and don't want to take time to make one. Much of my genealogy is in notebooks (I started in 1990) and some in text format on my computer. > > Lindsey > > > -----Original Message----- > From: LornaMoa <lornamoa@gmail.com> > To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2015 6:54 pm > Subject: Re: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH > > Lindsey, > Belinda answered your other points > > You can upload a gedcom to GEDmatch and associate your kit numbers to > the appropriate people in the gedcomm > > Lorna Henderson > http://LornaHen.com > >> On 3/12/15 11:36, Lindsey Britton via wrote: >> Can ancestral surnames be added to the profile so that matches can see them? > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for the recommendation. I will look it up. Lindsey -----Original Message----- From: Michael Fisher <m.j.fisher@btinternet.com> To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com>; calypsospots <calypsospots@gmail.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2015 9:23 am Subject: Re: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH Lindsey What you want sounds like Genome Mate Pro to me. I started using it about 6 weeks ago and the most complicated bit is importing the data and there are videos of how to do it and use it. Have a look at the screen shots on the web or the very helpful Genome Mate Pro facebook group were the lady who made the program is a member. Regards Mike Fisher in Droitwich England On 03/12/2015 14:10, Lindsey Britton via wrote: > I've never even heard of Genome Mate Pro, but computationally intense sounds like something I might want to avoid. I'm used to the challenges of genealogy, but I don't want to be challenged by software. I don't suppose there is any simple program that allows one to place shared/identified segments on chromosomes. In other words, we have already identified a second cousin with whom my mother shares a number of large blocks so there is no doubt that all of them came from her maternal great grandmother. Likewise for the large blocks of shared by the fifth cousin once removed--also from her maternal great grandmother--and the fourth cousin once removed, from her paternal third great grandmother. > > Lindsey >

I will definitely concentrate on the large segments. I was just wondering whether it was reasonable to assume small segments were likely to be ancestral, too, once the relationship and common ancestors had been identified. Lindsey -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Cc: ahnen <ahnen@awest.de> Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2015 11:00 am Subject: Re: [DNA] Small segment matches when the common ancestors are known Lindsey My approach was to triangulate virtually all my Matches over 7cM. That covered just over 85% of my DNA. Then I dropped down and added segments 5-7cM - probably more than 90% did not triangulate with existing TGs which covered the same area. This mean they were IBS/false. The IBD small segments did help some TGs, and created just a few more - most fell within existing TGs - no help with coverage, but some were helpful confirming CAs. Starting over, I'd use 10cM to start - to build the initial set of TGs. Then add the 7-10cM segments; then add the 5-7cM shared segments. Build a strong base, then see what fits. I am not caught up with contacting every Match in each TG, so I'm not ready to try any segments below 5cM. They would get very boring - usually failing the triangulation process; and the CAs would probably be very distant. In a special interest TG, however, I might reconsider. Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Dec 3, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Some are under 5cm. I don't know whether smaller segments are common among European ancestors except perhaps those I found on the x chromosome which we appeared to share with dozens of other people who seemed to be related on more that one line. > > No answer yet to the first triangulation match I notified. So far I've done better taking a genealogical approach based on the nature of the match, matches in common, and surname lists. > > Lindsey > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> > To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2015 10:41 pm > Subject: Re: [DNA] Small segment matches when the common ancestors are known > > Not too much but you still have to set reasonable minimum criteria in SNP and genetic distance. > > Otherwise the same rules of triangulation apply, just be aware that there are very small segments like the Western Haplogroup Ancestral Segment on CHR 2 that everyone with European background seems to have. > > Andreas > >> On 3 Dec 2015, at 05:31, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> >> Is the approach different for segments less than 7cm when the relationship (for example 4th cousin once removed or 5th cousin once removed) and common ancestors are already known? >> >> Lindsey >>

Jim, You are right about the temptation to bypass those without trees. I tend to ignore anyone who didn't post a surname list at FTDNA, although I must admit that mine is not complete because some of my lines go back to the 1500s and well beyond. So length is one reason I am reluctant to make a GEDCOM--privacy is the other--I have always refrained from putting much genealogical information online where it might be misquoted, appropriated, or improperly used. But I can understand why this policy would make others reluctant to contact me. Lindsey -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2015 11:27 am Subject: Re: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH Lindsey You can actually save yourself a lot of time and effort by creating and posting a GEDcom Tree. There is free software, and all you need to enter are your ancestors with bmd dates and places. Many of your Matches would cheerfully search your Tree for Common Ancestors (I examine every Match Tree I can find - I have some deep roots (memorized surnames) and can scan a Tree pretty quickly). If you don't post a Tree, we are forced to contact you. And what can we ask? Give you a link to our Tree; or provide a long list of surnames (which usually involve more questions)? Many will just bypass you and look for others with Trees. Only a small percentage of atDNA testers are proactive. GEDmatch accepts GEDcoms linked to your DNA. They don't accept or show surnames. Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Dec 3, 2015, at 8:23 AM, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Thank you--I was thinking of a list of surnames, however, such as I entered at FTDNA, not a GEDCOM--I don't have one and don't want to take time to make one. Much of my genealogy is in notebooks (I started in 1990) and some in text format on my computer. > > Lindsey > > > -----Original Message----- > From: LornaMoa <lornamoa@gmail.com> > To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2015 6:54 pm > Subject: Re: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH > > Lindsey, > Belinda answered your other points > > You can upload a gedcom to GEDmatch and associate your kit numbers to > the appropriate people in the gedcomm > > Lorna Henderson > http://LornaHen.com > >> On 3/12/15 11:36, Lindsey Britton via wrote: >> Can ancestral surnames be added to the profile so that matches can see them? >

That would be Genome Mate Pro. Also the pay tools are no harder to use than the free ones. I take computationally intense to mean that it has to work harder and uses more computer resources (which cost money of course). Jon Masterson Wales UK, Florida US jon@scruffyduck.co.uk Gedmatch: A488362, M938817 Surnames: Cannon, Coulter, Clinton, Dryman, Lance, Mabey, Pryor, Wrixon Locations: England, Illinois, Kentucky, Texas, Utah, Virginia On 03/12/2015 14:10, Lindsey Britton via wrote: > I've never even heard of Genome Mate Pro, but computationally intense sounds like something I might want to avoid. I'm used to the challenges of genealogy, but I don't want to be challenged by software. I don't suppose there is any simple program that allows one to place shared/identified segments on chromosomes. In other words, we have already identified a second cousin with whom my mother shares a number of large blocks so there is no doubt that all of them came from her maternal great grandmother. Likewise for the large blocks of shared by the fifth cousin once removed--also from her maternal great grandmother--and the fourth cousin once removed, from her paternal third great grandmother. > > Lindsey > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karla Huebner <calypsospots@gmail.com> > To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2015 8:52 am > Subject: Re: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH > > > > Gedmatch gives everyone lots of tools, most of which are not found at FTDNA. The subscription adds a few computationally intense ones. If you use Genome Mate Pro, one of the pay tools at Gedmatch helps you get the data in better. > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 8:29 AM, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > No, I wasn't thinking of SNPS--only the personal information which could be inferred from the data--eye color, ethnic, or medical or anything else of that kind. > > How much does GEDMATCH do, if one doesn't pay the monthly subscription? Is it any better than what is already available at FTDNA beyond the obvious fact that the database is broader? > > Lindsey > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andreas West <ahnen@awest.de> > To: Belinda Dettmann <belindadettmann@optusnet.com.au>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Cc: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com> > Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2015 10:33 pm > Subject: Re: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH > > > Lindsey, no one can see detailed data like SNP's or so if that's your worry. > > Gedmatch does all the magic for you but only shows the summary data, never detailed data (same as the big 3 testing companies). > > So no worries > > Andreas > >> On 3 Dec 2015, at 06:03, Belinda Dettmann via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Yes, data at GEDMatch can be withdrawn, you have the option whether to show >> an email address or not, you have the option to give an alias as well as a >> real name, when only the alias will appear. If you do a 1-to-Many compare >> you get a list of matches, ordered by total segments in common. Some of >> these have emails beside the name (or alias), others don't. To contact >> someone you click on the email address, or copy/paste it. If they don't have >> one you can't do this. I personally have myself and other family members >> (whose GEDMatch entries I control) with my email showing, but aliaseas >> (mostly first names) for all entries but me. You also have the option not to >> include a person in the public group, meaning they don't show up in the >> 1-to-many comparison. You still have the option to compare them yourself in >> 1-to-1 mode, if you know both ID numbers. I am not sure what will change at >> 1 Dec but there is a notice there explaining it which I can't remember in >> detail. >> Belinda >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lindsey Britton via >> Sent: Thursday, 3 December 2015 9:36 AM >> To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [DNA] Questions about GEDMATCH >> >> >> Can data placed at GEDMATCH be withdrawn? >> >> Is one required to attach the person's real name to the data? >> >> How does the contact system work? >> >> Can ancestral surnames be added to the profile so that matches can see them? >> >> How much of the data can matches see? Is it possible to restrict access to >> the data? >> >> Lindsey >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > >

"... Genome Mate Pro ...the most complicated bit is importing the data and there are videos of how to do it and use it. " I really like using GenomeMate. IMO, it's way easier than using a spreadsheet. It also makes looking for shared/InCommonWith cousins a breeze. For gedmatch, just run a one-to-many with your match's kit number, upload the results to gedmatch - voila, it sorts 'em out. Used to work with Countries of Ancestry, too. Sigh.