Since I am female, I only received my maternal haplogroup (H7) from 23andMe. However, in looking at the paternal haplogroups of my 486 relatives who have one, 271 have a paternal haplogroup starting with R1b1b2. My father's grandfather is from Ireland. Is it likely that my father (deceased) had this haplogroup? Thanks, Barb Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 17:47:30 +0000 From: "McDonald, J Douglas" <jdmcdona@illinois.edu> Subject: Re: [DNA] Y-DNA test - which one? 23andme does not do "predicted" haplogroups. They only do SNP tests, so unless there is a mistake what they say is for sure. Of course, their assignment is rather coarse. Doug McDonald -----Original Message----- From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary E Hall via Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 9:08 AM To: Barbara Ryan; genealogy-dna Subject: Re: [DNA] Y-DNA test - which one? Barb- What was your father's predicted haplogroup at 23andMe? That will provide a good indication of how many markers he would need to test at FamilyTree DNA in order to (hope to) find meaningful information on the paternal line. Mary Mary E Hall Santa Barbara, CA On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 5:39 AM, Barbara Ryan via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > wrote: > I have taken the autosomal test at 23andMe but am interested in > pursuing my father's line (surname) so would like to purchase a Y-DNA > test kit for my brother to use. > > > > Which company's test is best, or is FTDNA the only one that offers it? > > Is the 37 markers test sufficient? Are additional markers cost effective? > > Are the current holiday discounts substantial, or does FT typically > offer discounts throughout the year? > > > > Thanks! > Barb R. > > **********************************************

The various subclades / subgroups / lineages of R1b are the most common lineages in Western Europe. You will need the 67-marker test as the minimum. RPaine -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Ryan via Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 2:05 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DNA] Y-DNA test - which one? Since I am female, I only received my maternal haplogroup (H7) from 23andMe. However, in looking at the paternal haplogroups of my 486 relatives who have one, 271 have a paternal haplogroup starting with R1b1b2. My father's grandfather is from Ireland. Is it likely that my father (deceased) had this haplogroup? Thanks, Barb Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 17:47:30 +0000 From: "McDonald, J Douglas" <jdmcdona@illinois.edu> Subject: Re: [DNA] Y-DNA test - which one? 23andme does not do "predicted" haplogroups. They only do SNP tests, so unless there is a mistake what they say is for sure. Of course, their assignment is rather coarse. Doug McDonald -----Original Message----- From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary E Hall via Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 9:08 AM To: Barbara Ryan; genealogy-dna Subject: Re: [DNA] Y-DNA test - which one? Barb- What was your father's predicted haplogroup at 23andMe? That will provide a good indication of how many markers he would need to test at FamilyTree DNA in order to (hope to) find meaningful information on the paternal line. Mary Mary E Hall Santa Barbara, CA On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 5:39 AM, Barbara Ryan via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > wrote: > I have taken the autosomal test at 23andMe but am interested in > pursuing my father's line (surname) so would like to purchase a Y-DNA > test kit for my brother to use. > > > > Which company's test is best, or is FTDNA the only one that offers it? > > Is the 37 markers test sufficient? Are additional markers cost effective? > > Are the current holiday discounts substantial, or does FT typically > offer discounts throughout the year? > > > > Thanks! > Barb R. > > ********************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for all of your responses! Mary, how/where would I find my father's predicted haplogroup at 23andMe? Thanks, Barb Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 07:08:29 -0800 From: Mary E Hall Subject: Re: [DNA] Y-DNA test - which one? Barb- What was your father's predicted haplogroup at 23andMe? That will provide a good indication of how many markers he would need to test at FamilyTree DNA in order to (hope to) find meaningful information on the paternal line. Mary Mary E Hall Santa Barbara, CA On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 5:39 AM, Barbara Ryan via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > wrote: > I have taken the autosomal test at 23andMe but am interested in pursuing my > father's line (surname) so would like to purchase a Y-DNA test kit for my > brother to use. > > > > Which company's test is best, or is FTDNA the only one that offers it? > > Is the 37 markers test sufficient? Are additional markers cost effective? > > Are the current holiday discounts substantial, or does FT typically offer > discounts throughout the year? > > > > Thanks! > Barb R. > >

Yes, sorry...I misread your post and thought that your father had done 23andMe...in which case they assign some sort of yDNA "haplogroup" for paternal line (if you are a male) and mtDNA haplogroup for your maternal line. But it's not the same yDNA test that you would get by testing STR markers at FamilyTreeDNA. I've found all my 23andMe predicted haplgroups to be consistent with FT DNA...at least in a gross sense. On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Robert Paine via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > His haplogroup would only be available at 23andme if he or your brother has > taken the 23andme test. > > RPaine > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barbara Ryan via > Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 12:31 PM > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DNA] Y-DNA test - which one? > > Thanks for all of your responses! > > Mary, how/where would I find my father's predicted haplogroup at 23andMe? > > Thanks, > Barb > > > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 07:08:29 -0800 > From: Mary E Hall > Subject: Re: [DNA] Y-DNA test - which one? > Barb- > > What was your father's predicted haplogroup at 23andMe? That will provide > a good indication of how many markers he would need to test at FamilyTree > DNA in order to (hope to) find meaningful information on the paternal line. > > Mary > > > Mary E Hall > Santa Barbara, CA > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 5:39 AM, Barbara Ryan via < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > wrote: > > > I have taken the autosomal test at 23andMe but am interested in pursuing > my > > father's line (surname) so would like to purchase a Y-DNA test kit for my > > brother to use. > > > > > > > > Which company's test is best, or is FTDNA the only one that offers it? > > > > Is the 37 markers test sufficient? Are additional markers cost > effective? > > > > Are the current holiday discounts substantial, or does FT typically offer > > discounts throughout the year? > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > Barb R. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have found the 23andMe predicted Hgs to be pretty accurate, albeit often based on an outdated tree. Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Dec 4, 2015, at 12:47 PM, McDonald@lists3.rootsweb.com wrote: > > 23andme does not do "predicted" haplogroups. They only do SNP tests, so unless > there is a mistake what they say is for sure. Of course, their assignment is rather coarse. > > Doug McDonald > > -----Original Message----- > From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary E Hall via > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 9:08 AM > To: Barbara Ryan; genealogy-dna > Subject: Re: [DNA] Y-DNA test - which one? > > Barb- > > What was your father's predicted haplogroup at 23andMe? That will provide > a good indication of how many markers he would need to test at FamilyTree > DNA in order to (hope to) find meaningful information on the paternal line. > > Mary > > > Mary E Hall > Santa Barbara, CA > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 5:39 AM, Barbara Ryan via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> wrote: > >> I have taken the autosomal test at 23andMe but am interested in pursuing my >> father's line (surname) so would like to purchase a Y-DNA test kit for my >> brother to use. >> >> >> >> Which company's test is best, or is FTDNA the only one that offers it? >> >> Is the 37 markers test sufficient? Are additional markers cost effective? >> >> Are the current holiday discounts substantial, or does FT typically offer >> discounts throughout the year? >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> Barb R. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Andreas I hope that those small triangulated segments are IBD. Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Dec 4, 2015, at 12:44 PM, "ahnen@awest.de" <ahnen@awest.de> wrote: > > Well Jim, > > I have a case with 3 different individuals (plus one additional sibling and myself as a son) where we all match through the same paper trail to a common ancestor and we also have a triangulated segment that for some of us is below 5 cM. > > There are also several other matches that triangulate as well but I haven't contacted them yet to identify their path to the common ancestor. > > It's tedious work that took me almost a full day but it's possible. > > Andreas > >> On Dec 4, 2015, at 22:10, Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> wrote: >> >> It is true that lots of 4cM IBD segments exist for all of us. But there are two problems: >> 1. However many there are, you would be swamped with many more IBS segments. >> 2. We don't have a good way to test for IBS, short of phasing which most folks can't do. >> Refer to my blog. All the segments in your body (on chromosomes in your DNA) are IBD! I call them ancestral segments. You only get your DNA from your ancestors - 1cM segments, 3cM segments, all of them. The segments we "see" in a chromosome browser or a spreadsheet are shared segments (with a Match), as determined by a computer program comparing your SNPs (from both your parents) with your Match's SNPs (from both of his/her parents). This shared segment is made up, fabricated. Over the short term - with only a few hundred SNPs - it's easy for the computer algorithm to "stitch together" apparently matching segments. >> As much as I tout triangulation, we don't really know if it works for very short segments. I'm comfortable predicting that triangulation works to sort out IBS segments over 7cM virtually all the time. These are typically longer segments, and I have yet to find any which don't work over 7cM. I have been experimenting with 5-7cM segments. Probably 95% do not triangulate on either side, and therefor must be IBS. It appears the remaining 5% may be IBD - they "fit" into existing Triangulated Groups, and have not been found to be wrong. All triangulations should be formed (based, grounded) on three widely separated kits. Close relatives have identical SNPs over long regions - it's like triangulating with an identical twin with the same DNA. Distant cousins increase the probability that you will weed out IBS segments. With known cousins you are starting with only one string of known SNPs among them over the TG. >> >> So be I am very suspect of triangulation below 5cM. We really need some good studies with phased data... >> >> Jim - www.segmentology.org >> >>> On Dec 3, 2015, at 10:01 PM, "ahnen@awest.de" <ahnen@awest.de> wrote: >>> >>> Yes but it still means that if there was a 8cM ancestral segment and it gets cut into half the size (just an example, recombination is basically randomly happening) for the next generation it's still a small portion of our ancestors DNA. >>> >>> However for all testing companies and everyone using the minimum 5, 7 or even 10 cM rule it doesn't exist anymore. >>> >>> But it does exist still. Given the enormous number of IBS/IBC at that range it doesn't make sense to follow them as a general rule but in case when a relationship is know from paper trail it makes sense to extend the search among a group of known cousins further. >>> >>> Andreas >>> >>>> On Dec 4, 2015, at 05:24, Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Lindsey >>>> >>>> Our paper trail means nothing to the DNA. The DNA passes down just the same for rich/poor, famous/not-so, known relatives/not known. Just because we know the cousin, doesn't, somehow, change the quality of segments. The average ratio of IBD/IBS at any cM value will not change. >>>> >>>> Jim - www.segmentology.org >>>> >>>>> On Dec 3, 2015, at 3:06 PM, Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I will definitely concentrate on the large segments. I was just wondering whether it was reasonable to assume small segments were likely to be ancestral, too, once the relationship and common ancestors had been identified. >>>>> >>>>> Lindsey >>>>> >>>>>

You didn't mention:  Did the surname you were searching come from a genealogical trail with no father/son connections between that ancestor and you.  IOW you got your X from your mom as did all the putative intermediaries.  So if it is significant, not only is the trail correct but because that person got his/her surname from his/her father, the terminal person would be that 1st person in the trail with that surname. John L David G wrote To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAAwK9jBYR6nviNcmC5JcDF90Bb-Fz41Zo2jBCqwbrhC2g8X5oQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I have been playing with the revised version of the Gedmatch Search all Gedcoms function. I looked up one of my family surnames that were all born in the same country. Then picked out those whose details sounded familiar as well as those surnames who came from the same or adjoining counties as mine. I then compared their results in the 3D Chromosome Browser. The results were not too dramatic,some of the matches were in the 5cms and 6cms range. One result though on the x-chromosome I thought might be significant, one block over 8cms. and another block over five, both with the same person. My query is would the x-chromosome really be significant and also due to the similar surname and geographical location would the other five to six cms. matches also have some relevance. David

His haplogroup would only be available at 23andme if he or your brother has taken the 23andme test. RPaine -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Ryan via Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 12:31 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DNA] Y-DNA test - which one? Thanks for all of your responses! Mary, how/where would I find my father's predicted haplogroup at 23andMe? Thanks, Barb Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 07:08:29 -0800 From: Mary E Hall Subject: Re: [DNA] Y-DNA test - which one? Barb- What was your father's predicted haplogroup at 23andMe? That will provide a good indication of how many markers he would need to test at FamilyTree DNA in order to (hope to) find meaningful information on the paternal line. Mary Mary E Hall Santa Barbara, CA On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 5:39 AM, Barbara Ryan via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > wrote: > I have taken the autosomal test at 23andMe but am interested in pursuing my > father's line (surname) so would like to purchase a Y-DNA test kit for my > brother to use. > > > > Which company's test is best, or is FTDNA the only one that offers it? > > Is the 37 markers test sufficient? Are additional markers cost effective? > > Are the current holiday discounts substantial, or does FT typically offer > discounts throughout the year? > > > > Thanks! > Barb R. > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would go with the 37 marker or 67 marker test at Ftdna, the 111 marker is often more than a person needs. If your paternal line comes out of Ireland or the UK go with the 67 marker but if the ancestry is from Eastern Europe there is a chance there would be few or no matches and 37 markers would be a good stating point. RPaine -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Ryan via Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 5:39 AM To: GENEALOGY-DNA@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Y-DNA test - which one? I have taken the autosomal test at 23andMe but am interested in pursuing my father's line (surname) so would like to purchase a Y-DNA test kit for my brother to use. Which company's test is best, or is FTDNA the only one that offers it? Is the 37 markers test sufficient? Are additional markers cost effective? Are the current holiday discounts substantial, or does FT typically offer discounts throughout the year? Thanks! Barb R. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is true that lots of 4cM IBD segments exist for all of us. But there are two problems: 1. However many there are, you would be swamped with many more IBS segments. 2. We don't have a good way to test for IBS, short of phasing which most folks can't do. Refer to my blog. All the segments in your body (on chromosomes in your DNA) are IBD! I call them ancestral segments. You only get your DNA from your ancestors - 1cM segments, 3cM segments, all of them. The segments we "see" in a chromosome browser or a spreadsheet are shared segments (with a Match), as determined by a computer program comparing your SNPs (from both your parents) with your Match's SNPs (from both of his/her parents). This shared segment is made up, fabricated. Over the short term - with only a few hundred SNPs - it's easy for the computer algorithm to "stitch together" apparently matching segments. As much as I tout triangulation, we don't really know if it works for very short segments. I'm comfortable predicting that triangulation works to sort out IBS segments over 7cM virtually all the time. These are typically longer segments, and I have yet to find any which don't work over 7cM. I have been experimenting with 5-7cM segments. Probably 95% do not triangulate on either side, and therefor must be IBS. It appears the remaining 5% may be IBD - they "fit" into existing Triangulated Groups, and have not been found to be wrong. All triangulations should be formed (based, grounded) on three widely separated kits. Close relatives have identical SNPs over long regions - it's like triangulating with an identical twin with the same DNA. Distant cousins increase the probability that you will weed out IBS segments. With known cousins you are starting with only one string of known SNPs among them over the TG. So be I am very suspect of triangulation below 5cM. We really need some good studies with phased data... Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Dec 3, 2015, at 10:01 PM, "ahnen@awest.de" <ahnen@awest.de> wrote: > > Yes but it still means that if there was a 8cM ancestral segment and it gets cut into half the size (just an example, recombination is basically randomly happening) for the next generation it's still a small portion of our ancestors DNA. > > However for all testing companies and everyone using the minimum 5, 7 or even 10 cM rule it doesn't exist anymore. > > But it does exist still. Given the enormous number of IBS/IBC at that range it doesn't make sense to follow them as a general rule but in case when a relationship is know from paper trail it makes sense to extend the search among a group of known cousins further. > > Andreas > >> On Dec 4, 2015, at 05:24, Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> wrote: >> >> Lindsey >> >> Our paper trail means nothing to the DNA. The DNA passes down just the same for rich/poor, famous/not-so, known relatives/not known. Just because we know the cousin, doesn't, somehow, change the quality of segments. The average ratio of IBD/IBS at any cM value will not change. >> >> Jim - www.segmentology.org >> >>> On Dec 3, 2015, at 3:06 PM, Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com> wrote: >>> >>> I will definitely concentrate on the large segments. I was just wondering whether it was reasonable to assume small segments were likely to be ancestral, too, once the relationship and common ancestors had been identified. >>> >>> Lindsey >>> >>>

Yes but it still means that if there was a 8cM ancestral segment and it gets cut into half the size (just an example, recombination is basically randomly happening) for the next generation it's still a small portion of our ancestors DNA. However for all testing companies and everyone using the minimum 5, 7 or even 10 cM rule it doesn't exist anymore. But it does exist still. Given the enormous number of IBS/IBC at that range it doesn't make sense to follow them as a general rule but in case when a relationship is know from paper trail it makes sense to extend the search among a group of known cousins further. Andreas > On Dec 4, 2015, at 05:24, Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> wrote: > > Lindsey > > Our paper trail means nothing to the DNA. The DNA passes down just the same for rich/poor, famous/not-so, known relatives/not known. Just because we know the cousin, doesn't, somehow, change the quality of segments. The average ratio of IBD/IBS at any cM value will not change. > > Jim - www.segmentology.org > >> On Dec 3, 2015, at 3:06 PM, Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com> wrote: >> >> I will definitely concentrate on the large segments. I was just wondering whether it was reasonable to assume small segments were likely to be ancestral, too, once the relationship and common ancestors had been identified. >> >> Lindsey >> >>

Barb, You may find ISOGG's comparison charts useful: http://isogg.org/wiki/Y-DNA_STR_testing_chart http://isogg.org/wiki/Y-DNA_SNP_testing_chart Greg On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Barbara Ryan via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > wrote: > I have taken the autosomal test at 23andMe but am interested in pursuing my > father's line (surname) so would like to purchase a Y-DNA test kit for my > brother to use. > > > > Which company's test is best, or is FTDNA the only one that offers it? > > Is the 37 markers test sufficient? Are additional markers cost effective? > > Are the current holiday discounts substantial, or does FT typically offer > discounts throughout the year? > > > > Thanks! > Barb R. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There is also YSEQ On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Jim Bartlett via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > wrote: > ... > FTDNA is the only company now.

Barb, FTDNA is the only company now. Y-DNA37 should be fine to determine which line you belong to in a surname project. Additional markers usually don't offer much, but there is no blanket statement. It depends in every case.You can always upgrade later, if needed. The current sale prices are very good. FTDNA usually has a summer sale, too. And often a guick flash sale at other time - sometimes for DNA Day. Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Dec 4, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Barbara Ryan via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I have taken the autosomal test at 23andMe but am interested in pursuing my > father's line (surname) so would like to purchase a Y-DNA test kit for my > brother to use. > > > > Which company's test is best, or is FTDNA the only one that offers it? > > Is the 37 markers test sufficient? Are additional markers cost effective? > > Are the current holiday discounts substantial, or does FT typically offer > discounts throughout the year? > > > > Thanks! > Barb R. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Small segments are one of those instances where testing multiple known relatives is important. I often see where two (or more) have a fairly long segment but their close relative recombined to have 6.8 cM or something of the segment. I realize that not everyone has lots of known relatives available to test, but to the extent that I have done so, I've been able to mark a lot of relatively short segments as IBD because it is clear where recombination took place. That said, I don't go looking for short segments... life is too short for that. However, Genome Mate Pro shows me where the tested relatives are matching a given person, so I can see pretty quickly if two or four people have a big match and another has just a bit of it. Karla On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:01 PM, ahnen@awest.de via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Yes but it still means that if there was a 8cM ancestral segment and it > gets cut into half the size (just an example, recombination is basically > randomly happening) for the next generation it's still a small portion of > our ancestors DNA. > > However for all testing companies and everyone using the minimum 5, 7 or > even 10 cM rule it doesn't exist anymore. > > But it does exist still. Given the enormous number of IBS/IBC at that > range it doesn't make sense to follow them as a general rule but in case > when a relationship is know from paper trail it makes sense to extend the > search among a group of known cousins further. > > Andreas > > > On Dec 4, 2015, at 05:24, Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> > wrote: > > > > Lindsey > > > > Our paper trail means nothing to the DNA. The DNA passes down just the > same for rich/poor, famous/not-so, known relatives/not known. Just because > we know the cousin, doesn't, somehow, change the quality of segments. The > average ratio of IBD/IBS at any cM value will not change. > > > > Jim - www.segmentology.org > > > >> On Dec 3, 2015, at 3:06 PM, Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com> > wrote: > >> > >> I will definitely concentrate on the large segments. I was just > wondering whether it was reasonable to assume small segments were likely to > be ancestral, too, once the relationship and common ancestors had been > identified. > >> > >> Lindsey > >> > >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com

You'd think the least they could do if they were going to double the price and then have a sale would be to make the sale price an opportunity for people to get one last test (or set of tests) purchased at the old price. Oh well. On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Max Heffler via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I got one last night but it is still not competitive with the other > companies - 25% off new normal price > > -----Original Message----- > From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Franklin Genetics > via > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 6:40 AM > To: steven perkins; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DNA] 23andme sale > > When?? > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:05 PM, steven perkins via < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > 23andme is sending out email announcements of a sale on test kits. > > > > -- > > Steven C. Perkins SCPerkins@gmail.com > http://stevencperkins.com/ > > Indigenous Peoples' Rights > > http://intelligent-internet.info/law/ipr2.html > > Indigenous & Ethnic Minority Legal News http://iemlnews.blogspot.com/ > > Online Journal of Genetics and Genealogy > > http://jgg-online.blogspot.com/ S.C. Perkins' Genealogy Page > http://stevencperkins.com/genealogy.html > > S.C. Perkins' Genealogy Blog http://scpgen.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Lisa R Franklin RN,BSN > Admin, Franklin Y DNA Project > http://trackingyourroots.com/FranklinGenetics/ > FranklinGenetics@gmail.com > http://trackingyourroots.com/DNA (How To presentation (23andme), tips, & > helps. > > *2**3**&**m**e**: **The World's Largest database & coincidentally the ONLY > one with all the tools you need for genealogy and DNA!--* > > http://refer.23andme.com/v2/share/6158544791499756901/4672616e6b6c696e47656e > 657469637340676d61696c2e636f6d > > BEST GENETIC GENEALOGY BOOK! > > http://www.amazon.com/Genetic-Genealogy-Emily-D-Aulicino-ebook/dp/B00HJJWBU2 > /ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391174801&sr=8-1&keywords=Genetic+Genealogy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com

I should have also said that 37 markers is a good starting point, but the savings are greater on the 67 and 111-marker tests, and you may need or want to upgrade at some point anyway. The year-end holiday sale is typically their best. Loretta -----Original Message----- From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan via Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 8:40 AM To: GENEALOGY-DNA@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Y-DNA test - which one? I have taken the autosomal test at 23andMe but am interested in pursuing my father's line (surname) so would like to purchase a Y-DNA test kit for my brother to use. Which company's test is best, or is FTDNA the only one that offers it? Is the 37 markers test sufficient? Are additional markers cost effective? Are the current holiday discounts substantial, or does FT typically offer discounts throughout the year? Thanks! Barb R. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You should go with FamilyTreeDNA (FTDNA) for a number of reasons, one of which is that they are having a sale now through December 31. The first thing you'll see on this page is Family Finder, which is their atDNA test. The Y-DNA tests on sale are below that ... https://www.familytreedna.com/products.aspx Loretta (Lynn) Layman -----Original Message----- From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan via Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 8:40 AM To: GENEALOGY-DNA@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Y-DNA test - which one? I have taken the autosomal test at 23andMe but am interested in pursuing my father's line (surname) so would like to purchase a Y-DNA test kit for my brother to use. Which company's test is best, or is FTDNA the only one that offers it? Is the 37 markers test sufficient? Are additional markers cost effective? Are the current holiday discounts substantial, or does FT typically offer discounts throughout the year? Thanks! Barb R. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have taken the autosomal test at 23andMe but am interested in pursuing my father's line (surname) so would like to purchase a Y-DNA test kit for my brother to use. Which company's test is best, or is FTDNA the only one that offers it? Is the 37 markers test sufficient? Are additional markers cost effective? Are the current holiday discounts substantial, or does FT typically offer discounts throughout the year? Thanks! Barb R.

People in any R1b subclade from R-M269 on down should consider going to 111 Y STRs. R1b-M269 (actually R1b-P311's) expansion across Europe is now being documented by scientists as a fairly recent timeframe - the Bronze Age. This means that R1b people from Europe typically have STRs that follow along with the Super Western Atlantic Modal Haplotype and our tree looks more like a bush. We need more STRs to discern our haplotypes in matching systems and analysis. Please look at this excellent presentation by Dr. Maurice Gleeson at the November FTDNA conference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvyHY4R6DwE&feature=youtu.be He does a nice job of going through the ins and outs of SNPs and STRs in a real case surname-cluster study for R1b. He clearly points out that 111 STRs are needed and even that is not without vagaries. He's also quite entertaining! This video is well worth the watch and backing up and looking at some of the charts twice. Regards, Mike W On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:49 AM, Loretta Layman via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I should have also said that 37 markers is a good starting point, but the > savings are greater on the 67 and 111-marker tests, and you may need or > want > to upgrade at some point anyway. The year-end holiday sale is typically > their best. > > Loretta > > -----Original Message----- > From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan via > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 8:40 AM > To: GENEALOGY-DNA@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DNA] Y-DNA test - which one? > > I have taken the autosomal test at 23andMe but am interested in pursuing my > father's line (surname) so would like to purchase a Y-DNA test kit for my > brother to use. > > > > Which company's test is best, or is FTDNA the only one that offers it? > > Is the 37 markers test sufficient? Are additional markers cost effective? > > Are the current holiday discounts substantial, or does FT typically offer > discounts throughout the year? > > > > Thanks! > Barb R. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >