Hi David, I was wondering if we can identify by SNP count (by segment age from my cousin calculator). RE: > These matches are with people I am not related to. Form me, it is chromosome 15 from positions 233,000 to 293,000 where I have several hundred matches. Can you give a couple of examples with start and end locations, along with cMs and SNP counts for the segments(s)?? - Dave Hamm HAM DNA Project coordinator RE: On 12/18/2015 9:20 PM, genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:01:32 -0600 > From: "David Schroeder"<dschroed991@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: Re: [DNA] My Raw Data Files - Comparison 23andme vs, > AncestryDNA > To:<genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <003a01d139c6$831bf390$8953dab0$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dave, > > "I was wondering what you were defining as a 'pile-up.'?" I am defining a > pileup as an extraordinary number of matches on a particular segment region. > These matches are with people I am not related to. Form me, it is chromosome > 15 from positions 233,000 to 293,000 where I have several hundred matches. > > "I am curious if you have crossed checked the reductions against what > surnames go missing?" Not yet, in the planning stages after the holidays. > > "Alternatively, have you counted the number of the pile-up of surnames as > well?" Not yet. I have explored enough matches in my pileup region to know > that there is no way most, if not all, of these people are related to me. > The pileups seem to show up in gedmatch, but it looks like 23andme > eliminated my pileup matches in DNA Relatives. > > David > > > Ann, > "You speak of fixing errors -- I assume you're referring to no-calls rather > that outright errors (miscalls)?" Yes fixing no-calls. There were only 106 > wrong-call between Ancestry and 23. Since I had over 3500 AA, TT, CC and GG > that were no-calls in either 23 or ancestry, I would think that a > significant number would be opposite homozygote which would break the > segment, and reduce the number of matches. > > David > > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 15:15:34 -0500 > From: Dave Hamm<odoniv@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [DNA] My Raw Data Files - Comparison 23andme vs, > AncestryDNA > To:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Message-ID:<567317E6.2010300@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hi David, > > Oh, I was wondering what you were defining as a 'pile-up.' > > I did not appear to be having such a problem, and could think of several > scenarios of what you could be referring to. I was thinking of your > efinition of a 'pile-up' as in the HLA regions. (I identify those with a > simple calculation that includes the number of SNPS....) > > Now I get it. > > I am now thinking that you are looking at your surname signature(?). > Or, at worst, haplotype group signature(?). > > I get chromosomes with a high density of matching (tiny) segments on > chromosomes 1 and 11 when using autosomal sampling from my Y-DNA surname > project. > > I am thinking that I am looking at that as a basic signature for my surname, > because of the criteria I use to match each segment triad. > > Those segments that I do not use in the triad include at least one HLA > region on chromosome 6. That HLA region (in my small study) occurs in about > 25% of my sampling (after processing). Hence the confusion for me in what > you were using for the term 'pile-up.' Apparently, I would gather that a > pile-up such as in an HLA region is not what you are referring to. > > I would think that you may be working on a method that might very well > refine your targeted matching segments. > > I am curious if you have crossed checked the reductions against what > surnames go missing? > > Alternatively, have you counted the number of the pile-up of surnames as > well? > > (I am thinking that losing a random pool of names might be an indication of > progress.) > > Or am I still not understanding the definition (as used here) for a pile-up > region? > > - Dave Hamm > > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 13:32:05 -0800 > From: Ann Turner<dnacousins@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [DNA] My Raw Data Files - Comparison 23andme vs > AncestryDNA > To: David Schroeder<dschroed991@sbcglobal.net>, DNA Genealogy > Mailing > List<genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CAA-Ub_AMPi1C0iL97yx4joW7k--BSP99_TszhRM+BjSg1RerRw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > GEDmatch "tokenizes" the data in an attempt to make it more uniform across > platforms, so that should not be an issue for most SNPs. All C's are > converted to G's and all A's are converted to T's (or maybe the opposite > direction, but you get the idea). That fixes any strand orientation > problems, but it introduces a few cases where the alternative alleles are > also complementary base pairs in the double helix. The next effect of that > is to give you a free ride for those few SNPs where you and your match are > really opposite homozygotes. > > You speak of fixing errors -- I assume you're referring to no-calls rather > that outright errors (miscalls). No-calls don't break up segments, just > opposite homozygotes (e.g. CC in one party and TT in the other party). > GEDmatch doesn't give any credit for the SNP threshold (although 23andMe and > FTDNA do). For that reason, I predicted you might have a small increase in > the number of matches, and I am puzzled as to why you saw a decrease. > > Ann Turner

My blogpost Segment Size vs Cousinship on Nov 7 includes a chart which is designed to show possibilities. An actual relationship is hard to pin down just on total cMs. The curves are centered on the average calculated values for each cousinship, and some of the tails are based on experience of many users. The shape of the curves are guesstimated, but they give you a rough idea of what's going on. In your case, the different possibilities may have different ancestries, which would give different atDNA Matches which might help sort it out. Jim - www.segmentology.org > On Dec 20, 2015, at 3:13 AM, Patti Hacht via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I have used 23andMe, Robert. > > I don't expect anyone to spend a lot of time on my query. I just wondered > if it was possible (yet) to figure out what the three "brother's" > relationships might have been. Maybe they were really cousins. Or an uncle > and two nephews. . . > > Thanks for any help. > > Patti > Lakeville, MIchigan > > >> Patti >> Out of curiosity which testing company did the testing and where are you >> doing the comparisons? >> >> Ftdna / family finder has a requirement that people share more than 20cM >> before they show as a match, This can prevent some matches in common from >> showing. >> >> My county Mayo ancestors from the 1820's lived in a small village and I >> think 1/2 the people in the village shared the same surname and many of >> them >> carried the same very common first names. It also looks like there were >> some >> cousin marriages and double cousins. >> >> RPaine >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Patti Hacht via >> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 7:11 PM >> To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [DNA] Three brothers from 1800's and recent DNA matches. >> >> I have a question regarding three Irish brothers. >> >> For forty plus years I have been researching my Purtell line from near >> Kilcolman (Shanagolden area) of Co Limerick, Ireland. I discovered my 2nd >> gr-grandfather, John Purtell b cir 1816 probably in Kilcolman parish. In >> the Kilcolman Parish rcds, I find a Laurence Purtell who was the sponsor in >> several of John's children's baptisms. I have thought that Laurence might >> be John's brother as he was born abt 1810. Laurence emigrated to >> Binghamton, NY about 1849. About a year later, my John followed Laurence to >> Binghamton, NY. Within four years, my John had moved further west to >> Michigan. Then there was a Robert Purtell, said to be related somehow to my >> John. Robert was born abt 1808 (probably Kilcolman) and emigrated to >> LaSalette, Ontario, Canada in the 1840's. Members of Robert's family >> eventually made their way to Midland, Michigan. >> >> Enter DNA testing. My brother and my Uncle (who's mother was a Purtell) >> both DNA match the great grandson of Robert Purtell from LaSalette. (My >> sister and I do *not* match the LaSalette Purtell's.) And now my brother >> and "Purtell" uncle also match a descendant of Laurence's from Binghamton. >> >> My question is, is there a way (using our DNA matches) to figure out if >> Robert b 1808, Laurence b 1810 and John b 1816 might have really been >> brothers? >> >> I don't post much to this list because I just don't understand very much >> about the testing. >> >> Thanks for any help, >> >> Patti in Lakeville, MIchigan >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have used 23andMe, Robert. I don't expect anyone to spend a lot of time on my query. I just wondered if it was possible (yet) to figure out what the three "brother's" relationships might have been. Maybe they were really cousins. Or an uncle and two nephews. . . Thanks for any help. Patti Lakeville, MIchigan > Patti > Out of curiosity which testing company did the testing and where are you > doing the comparisons? > > Ftdna / family finder has a requirement that people share more than 20cM > before they show as a match, This can prevent some matches in common from > showing. > > My county Mayo ancestors from the 1820's lived in a small village and I > think 1/2 the people in the village shared the same surname and many of > them > carried the same very common first names. It also looks like there were > some > cousin marriages and double cousins. > > RPaine > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patti Hacht via > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 7:11 PM > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DNA] Three brothers from 1800's and recent DNA matches. > > I have a question regarding three Irish brothers. > > For forty plus years I have been researching my Purtell line from near > Kilcolman (Shanagolden area) of Co Limerick, Ireland. I discovered my 2nd > gr-grandfather, John Purtell b cir 1816 probably in Kilcolman parish. In > the Kilcolman Parish rcds, I find a Laurence Purtell who was the sponsor in > several of John's children's baptisms. I have thought that Laurence might > be John's brother as he was born abt 1810. Laurence emigrated to > Binghamton, NY about 1849. About a year later, my John followed Laurence to > Binghamton, NY. Within four years, my John had moved further west to > Michigan. Then there was a Robert Purtell, said to be related somehow to my > John. Robert was born abt 1808 (probably Kilcolman) and emigrated to > LaSalette, Ontario, Canada in the 1840's. Members of Robert's family > eventually made their way to Midland, Michigan. > > Enter DNA testing. My brother and my Uncle (who's mother was a Purtell) > both DNA match the great grandson of Robert Purtell from LaSalette. (My > sister and I do *not* match the LaSalette Purtell's.) And now my brother > and "Purtell" uncle also match a descendant of Laurence's from Binghamton. > > My question is, is there a way (using our DNA matches) to figure out if > Robert b 1808, Laurence b 1810 and John b 1816 might have really been > brothers? > > I don't post much to this list because I just don't understand very much > about the testing. > > Thanks for any help, > > Patti in Lakeville, MIchigan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

What makes you  think it was Per rather than a sibling or a cousin who had children with some native? > > On Saturday, December 19, 2015, Sam Sloan via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Amazing Discovery through Ancestry ? My Black 6th Cousins >> >> Ancestry dot com has made a lot of changes lately. I hope they are for the >> better but they require some getting used to. >> >> When I took a look at their new (I think) Ancestry DNA insights page, at >> the top row of their DNA matches, I found the picture of a Black woman >> who, >> it said, has a *Predicted relationship: Distant Cousins **with me. >> Possible >> range: 5th - 8th cousins *Confidence: Moderate >> >> Naturally, I was surprised at this as I am lily white, Swedish and Irish >> and there is no record of my family owning slaves. >> >> However, using the new tools available on Ancestry plus my own family tree >> that I have been working on for the last twenty years, I was able to solve >> this mystery in about fifteen minutes. >> >> My grandfather , my mothers father, was Wesley Jacobson (1877-1963). His >> family on both sides settled Iowa in 1845 arriving from Kisa, >> Ostergotland, >> Sweden . Using the Disbyt Database, a huge Swedish genealogical data base, >> I was able to trace his ancestors back to Sven Bengtsson who had a death >> date of 12 OCT 1729 in Ulrika, Ostergotland, Sweden but no birth date. >> >> You can see him here on my rootsweb family tree >> >> >> http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=samsloan&id=I6668 >> >> Ancestry had another family tree that showed who his father was. His >> father >> was Per Hemmingsson, who was born 1630 in Kisa, ?sterg?tlands L?n, Sweden >> >> It appears that in about 1650 Per Hemmingsson, my 7th great-grandfather, >> led a group of Swedes to establish a settlement in *Bandundu *in what is >> now the Democratic Republic of the Congo >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo>. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandundu_%28city%29 >> >> They named the community they established Kisa, Bandundu, Congo, giving it >> the same name as the name of their home town in Sweden. >> >> However, the settlement did not last long, as he died there. However, he >> had a son who was born there by his Swedish wife Gunilla Birgersdottir. >> The >> son was Sven Bengtsson (1650?1729) who was born in Kisa, Bandundu, Congo >> in >> 1650 and died in Kisa,?sterg?tlands L?n, Sweden 1729. He is my 6th >> great-grandfather. >> >> After the death of Per Hemmingsson, it appears that the entire group went >> back to Sweden. However, before leaving for Sweden, being a fair minded >> and >> generous person, Per Hemmingsson contributed his own DNA to the local >> population and, as a result, I have a sixth cousin born in deepest Darkest >> Africa !!!

I have a question regarding three Irish brothers. For forty plus years I have been researching my Purtell line from near Kilcolman (Shanagolden area) of Co Limerick, Ireland. I discovered my 2nd gr-grandfather, John Purtell b cir 1816 probably in Kilcolman parish. In the Kilcolman Parish rcds, I find a Laurence Purtell who was the sponsor in several of John's children's baptisms. I have thought that Laurence might be John's brother as he was born abt 1810. Laurence emigrated to Binghamton, NY about 1849. About a year later, my John followed Laurence to Binghamton, NY. Within four years, my John had moved further west to Michigan. Then there was a Robert Purtell, said to be related somehow to my John. Robert was born abt 1808 (probably Kilcolman) and emigrated to LaSalette, Ontario, Canada in the 1840's. Members of Robert's family eventually made their way to Midland, Michigan. Enter DNA testing. My brother and my Uncle (who's mother was a Purtell) both DNA match the great grandson of Robert Purtell from LaSalette. (My sister and I do *not* match the LaSalette Purtell's.) And now my brother and "Purtell" uncle also match a descendant of Laurence's from Binghamton. My question is, is there a way (using our DNA matches) to figure out if Robert b 1808, Laurence b 1810 and John b 1816 might have really been brothers? I don't post much to this list because I just don't understand very much about the testing. Thanks for any help, Patti in Lakeville, MIchigan

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Patti Out of curiosity which testing company did the testing and where are you doing the comparisons? Ftdna / family finder has a requirement that people share more than 20cM before they show as a match, This can prevent some matches in common from showing. My county Mayo ancestors from the 1820's lived in a small village and I think 1/2 the people in the village shared the same surname and many of them carried the same very common first names. It also looks like there were some cousin marriages and double cousins. RPaine -----Original Message----- From: Patti Hacht via Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 7:11 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Three brothers from 1800's and recent DNA matches. I have a question regarding three Irish brothers. For forty plus years I have been researching my Purtell line from near Kilcolman (Shanagolden area) of Co Limerick, Ireland. I discovered my 2nd gr-grandfather, John Purtell b cir 1816 probably in Kilcolman parish. In the Kilcolman Parish rcds, I find a Laurence Purtell who was the sponsor in several of John's children's baptisms. I have thought that Laurence might be John's brother as he was born abt 1810. Laurence emigrated to Binghamton, NY about 1849. About a year later, my John followed Laurence to Binghamton, NY. Within four years, my John had moved further west to Michigan. Then there was a Robert Purtell, said to be related somehow to my John. Robert was born abt 1808 (probably Kilcolman) and emigrated to LaSalette, Ontario, Canada in the 1840's. Members of Robert's family eventually made their way to Midland, Michigan. Enter DNA testing. My brother and my Uncle (who's mother was a Purtell) both DNA match the great grandson of Robert Purtell from LaSalette. (My sister and I do *not* match the LaSalette Purtell's.) And now my brother and "Purtell" uncle also match a descendant of Laurence's from Binghamton. My question is, is there a way (using our DNA matches) to figure out if Robert b 1808, Laurence b 1810 and John b 1816 might have really been brothers? I don't post much to this list because I just don't understand very much about the testing. Thanks for any help, Patti in Lakeville, MIchigan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Patti, Please tell us which tests each of the living people you mention, in your message, have taken. If all of the tests are for autosomal DNA, atDNA, then you need to have one direct line male descendant of each of the Purtell brothers yDNA tested. These men must have been born Purtells, and their line of descent cannot have been interrupted by a daughter. If the three men match one another within acceptable limits, they are at least related. They could be brothers or cousins. What kind of analysis have you done on the way they named their children? Is part of the problem that there are no records before 1800? Marleen Van Horne -- When the people, who made the music of your youth, begin dying of old age, you know that you, too, are old.

So cool. To have your genes get passed down it is best to have genes everywhere. Hopefully they have lots of kids in the Congo. :) -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 12/19/15, Sam Sloan via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: Subject: [DNA] Amazing Discovery - My Black 6th Cousins To: "genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com" <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com>, "DNA-NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com" <DNA-NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com>, DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 19, 2015, 1:28 PM Amazing Discovery through Ancestry – My Black 6th Cousins Ancestry dot com has made a lot of changes lately. I hope they are for the better but they require some getting used to. When I took a look at their new (I think) Ancestry DNA insights page, at the top row of their DNA matches, I found the picture of a Black woman who, it said, has a *Predicted relationship: Distant Cousins **with me. Possible range: 5th - 8th cousins *Confidence: Moderate Naturally, I was surprised at this as I am lily white, Swedish and Irish and there is no record of my family owning slaves. However, using the new tools available on Ancestry plus my own family tree that I have been working on for the last twenty years, I was able to solve this mystery in about fifteen minutes. My grandfather , my mothers father, was Wesley Jacobson (1877-1963). His family on both sides settled Iowa in 1845 arriving from Kisa, Ostergotland, Sweden . Using the Disbyt Database, a huge Swedish genealogical data base, I was able to trace his ancestors back to Sven Bengtsson who had a death date of 12 OCT 1729 in Ulrika, Ostergotland, Sweden but no birth date. You can see him here on my rootsweb family tree http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=samsloan&id=I6668 Ancestry had another family tree that showed who his father was. His father was Per Hemmingsson, who was born 1630 in Kisa, Östergötlands Län, Sweden It appears that in about 1650 Per Hemmingsson, my 7th great-grandfather, led a group of Swedes to establish a settlement in *Bandundu *in what is now the Democratic Republic of the Congo <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo>. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandundu_%28city%29 They named the community they established Kisa, Bandundu, Congo, giving it the same name as the name of their home town in Sweden. However, the settlement did not last long, as he died there. However, he had a son who was born there by his Swedish wife Gunilla Birgersdottir. The son was Sven Bengtsson (1650–1729) who was born in Kisa, Bandundu, Congo in 1650 and died in Kisa,Östergötlands Län, Sweden 1729. He is my 6th great-grandfather. After the death of Per Hemmingsson, it appears that the entire group went back to Sweden. However, before leaving for Sweden, being a fair minded and generous person, Per Hemmingsson contributed his own DNA to the local population and, as a result, I have a sixth cousin born in deepest Darkest Africa !!! Please note how early this date was. David Livingstone (1813-1873) was one of the earliest European explorers of Africa and he was “found” by Stanley in 1871. Henry Morton Stanley (1841-1904) is credited with being the first European to explore the Congo River, yet, my ancestors were living on the Congo River down in Central Africa in 1650 two hundred years before that and not long after the *Mayflower* Pilgrims <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilgrims_%28Plymouth_Colony%29> landed on Plymouth Rock. This is proven by the DNA test results. Indeed, nobody would even believe this incredible story but now we have the proof unless somebody can figure out another way I could possibly have a 6th cousin living on the Congo River in Africa today. Sam Sloan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks much for all the quick responses. Courtesy of Linda R. I was able to get a coupon which worked and have ordered the test (Christmas present for me). I've worked exclusively with atDNA to date so this is a very new thing for me. I'm hoping it helps me break down one of my nearest brick walls, working on a great-grandfather. Best Regards, Ken On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Ken Waters <satwatcher.gen@gmail.com> wrote: > Apologies for tagging onto this stream but I am also interested in a $20 Y > coupon if one is available. I'm watching the Google docs page but it looks > like none are available. > > Thanks much! > > Ken Waters > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Angelia via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Does anyone have a $20 ydna coupon code left for this week?I have an >> elderly cousin who has (finally) agreed to testing and I want to strike >> while it's hot.Funds are limited, so every bit helps! >> Thanks in advance. >> Angelia >> PS - I have already checked the page at this link and they have all been >> taken. >> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CgXRKz2TySvRqSInveSIYoslO7yexAc9d-BzpNhaY1c/edit?usp=sharing >> >> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CgXRKz2TySvRqSInveSIYoslO7yexAc9d-BzpNhaY1c/edit#gid=579783531 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Amateur Genealogist in Mesa, AZ > Twitter: @FamilyTreeAZ > Interests: DNA, Azores, San Francisco, early colonial America > Surnames: Waters, Craddock, Spencer, Sylvia, Lemos, Cummings, Spivey, > Wood, Berkley, Wheeler, and so much more. > -- Amateur Genealogist in Mesa, AZ Twitter: @FamilyTreeAZ Interests: DNA, Azores, San Francisco, early colonial America Surnames: Waters, Craddock, Spencer, Sylvia, Lemos, Cummings, Spivey, Wood, Berkley, Wheeler, and so much more.

So being a blowhard is in the genes? On Saturday, December 19, 2015, G. Magoon via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/pbs-series-finds-bills-related-35802398 > This is an article I just came across from the Associated Press, associated > with "Finding Your Roots". CeCe Moore is quoted. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/pbs-series-finds-bills-related-35802398 This is an article I just came across from the Associated Press, associated with "Finding Your Roots". CeCe Moore is quoted.

Sam Would this have been one of the Mennonite colonies founded in the Congo? I have a small match in South Africa that descends from a Dutch Boer / Afrikaner farmer. He went to South Africa at about the same time his sister came to the Dutch Colony in what is now New Jersey, 1682. RPaine -----Original Message----- From: Heath via Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 10:51 AM To: samhsloan@gmail.com ; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DNA] Amazing Discovery - My Black 6th Cousins So cool. To have your genes get passed down it is best to have genes everywhere. Hopefully they have lots of kids in the Congo. :) -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 12/19/15, Sam Sloan via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: Subject: [DNA] Amazing Discovery - My Black 6th Cousins To: "genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com" <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com>, "DNA-NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com" <DNA-NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com>, DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 19, 2015, 1:28 PM Amazing Discovery through Ancestry – My Black 6th Cousins Ancestry dot com has made a lot of changes lately. I hope they are for the better but they require some getting used to. When I took a look at their new (I think) Ancestry DNA insights page, at the top row of their DNA matches, I found the picture of a Black woman who, it said, has a *Predicted relationship: Distant Cousins **with me. Possible range: 5th - 8th cousins *Confidence: Moderate Naturally, I was surprised at this as I am lily white, Swedish and Irish and there is no record of my family owning slaves. However, using the new tools available on Ancestry plus my own family tree that I have been working on for the last twenty years, I was able to solve this mystery in about fifteen minutes. My grandfather , my mothers father, was Wesley Jacobson (1877-1963). His family on both sides settled Iowa in 1845 arriving from Kisa, Ostergotland, Sweden . Using the Disbyt Database, a huge Swedish genealogical data base, I was able to trace his ancestors back to Sven Bengtsson who had a death date of 12 OCT 1729 in Ulrika, Ostergotland, Sweden but no birth date. You can see him here on my rootsweb family tree http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=samsloan&id=I6668 Ancestry had another family tree that showed who his father was. His father was Per Hemmingsson, who was born 1630 in Kisa, Östergötlands Län, Sweden It appears that in about 1650 Per Hemmingsson, my 7th great-grandfather, led a group of Swedes to establish a settlement in *Bandundu *in what is now the Democratic Republic of the Congo <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo>. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandundu_%28city%29 They named the community they established Kisa, Bandundu, Congo, giving it the same name as the name of their home town in Sweden. However, the settlement did not last long, as he died there. However, he had a son who was born there by his Swedish wife Gunilla Birgersdottir. The son was Sven Bengtsson (1650–1729) who was born in Kisa, Bandundu, Congo in 1650 and died in Kisa,Östergötlands Län, Sweden 1729. He is my 6th great-grandfather. After the death of Per Hemmingsson, it appears that the entire group went back to Sweden. However, before leaving for Sweden, being a fair minded and generous person, Per Hemmingsson contributed his own DNA to the local population and, as a result, I have a sixth cousin born in deepest Darkest Africa !!! Please note how early this date was. David Livingstone (1813-1873) was one of the earliest European explorers of Africa and he was “found” by Stanley in 1871. Henry Morton Stanley (1841-1904) is credited with being the first European to explore the Congo River, yet, my ancestors were living on the Congo River down in Central Africa in 1650 two hundred years before that and not long after the *Mayflower* Pilgrims <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilgrims_%28Plymouth_Colony%29> landed on Plymouth Rock. This is proven by the DNA test results. Indeed, nobody would even believe this incredible story but now we have the proof unless somebody can figure out another way I could possibly have a 6th cousin living on the Congo River in Africa today. Sam Sloan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sure.Go ahead. Sam Sloan On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Stephanie Ray <stephanieray52@gmail.com> wrote: > Mind if I post to FB, Sam? I hv just found out that I too have black > cousins... > > On Saturday, December 19, 2015, Sam Sloan via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Amazing Discovery through Ancestry – My Black 6th Cousins >> >> Ancestry dot com has made a lot of changes lately. I hope they are for the >> better but they require some getting used to. >> >> When I took a look at their new (I think) Ancestry DNA insights page, at >> the top row of their DNA matches, I found the picture of a Black woman >> who, >> it said, has a *Predicted relationship: Distant Cousins **with me. >> Possible >> range: 5th - 8th cousins *Confidence: Moderate >> >> Naturally, I was surprised at this as I am lily white, Swedish and Irish >> and there is no record of my family owning slaves. >> >> However, using the new tools available on Ancestry plus my own family tree >> that I have been working on for the last twenty years, I was able to solve >> this mystery in about fifteen minutes. >> >> My grandfather , my mothers father, was Wesley Jacobson (1877-1963). His >> family on both sides settled Iowa in 1845 arriving from Kisa, >> Ostergotland, >> Sweden . Using the Disbyt Database, a huge Swedish genealogical data base, >> I was able to trace his ancestors back to Sven Bengtsson who had a death >> date of 12 OCT 1729 in Ulrika, Ostergotland, Sweden but no birth date. >> >> You can see him here on my rootsweb family tree >> >> >> http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=samsloan&id=I6668 >> >> Ancestry had another family tree that showed who his father was. His >> father >> was Per Hemmingsson, who was born 1630 in Kisa, Östergötlands Län, Sweden >> >> It appears that in about 1650 Per Hemmingsson, my 7th great-grandfather, >> led a group of Swedes to establish a settlement in *Bandundu *in what is >> now the Democratic Republic of the Congo >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo>. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandundu_%28city%29 >> >> They named the community they established Kisa, Bandundu, Congo, giving it >> the same name as the name of their home town in Sweden. >> >> However, the settlement did not last long, as he died there. However, he >> had a son who was born there by his Swedish wife Gunilla Birgersdottir. >> The >> son was Sven Bengtsson (1650–1729) who was born in Kisa, Bandundu, Congo >> in >> 1650 and died in Kisa,Östergötlands Län, Sweden 1729. He is my 6th >> great-grandfather. >> >> After the death of Per Hemmingsson, it appears that the entire group went >> back to Sweden. However, before leaving for Sweden, being a fair minded >> and >> generous person, Per Hemmingsson contributed his own DNA to the local >> population and, as a result, I have a sixth cousin born in deepest Darkest >> Africa !!! >> >> Please note how early this date was. David Livingstone (1813-1873) was one >> of the earliest European explorers of Africa and he was “found” by Stanley >> in 1871. Henry Morton Stanley (1841-1904) is credited with being the first >> European to explore the Congo River, yet, my ancestors were living on the >> Congo River down in Central Africa in 1650 two hundred years before that >> and not long after the *Mayflower* Pilgrims >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilgrims_%28Plymouth_Colony%29> landed on >> Plymouth Rock. This is proven by the DNA test results. >> >> Indeed, nobody would even believe this incredible story but now we have >> the >> proof unless somebody can figure out another way I could possibly have a >> 6th >> cousin living on the Congo River in Africa today. >> >> Sam Sloan >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Mind if I post to FB, Sam? I hv just found out that I too have black cousins... On Saturday, December 19, 2015, Sam Sloan via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Amazing Discovery through Ancestry – My Black 6th Cousins > > Ancestry dot com has made a lot of changes lately. I hope they are for the > better but they require some getting used to. > > When I took a look at their new (I think) Ancestry DNA insights page, at > the top row of their DNA matches, I found the picture of a Black woman who, > it said, has a *Predicted relationship: Distant Cousins **with me. Possible > range: 5th - 8th cousins *Confidence: Moderate > > Naturally, I was surprised at this as I am lily white, Swedish and Irish > and there is no record of my family owning slaves. > > However, using the new tools available on Ancestry plus my own family tree > that I have been working on for the last twenty years, I was able to solve > this mystery in about fifteen minutes. > > My grandfather , my mothers father, was Wesley Jacobson (1877-1963). His > family on both sides settled Iowa in 1845 arriving from Kisa, Ostergotland, > Sweden . Using the Disbyt Database, a huge Swedish genealogical data base, > I was able to trace his ancestors back to Sven Bengtsson who had a death > date of 12 OCT 1729 in Ulrika, Ostergotland, Sweden but no birth date. > > You can see him here on my rootsweb family tree > > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=samsloan&id=I6668 > > Ancestry had another family tree that showed who his father was. His father > was Per Hemmingsson, who was born 1630 in Kisa, Östergötlands Län, Sweden > > It appears that in about 1650 Per Hemmingsson, my 7th great-grandfather, > led a group of Swedes to establish a settlement in *Bandundu *in what is > now the Democratic Republic of the Congo > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo>. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandundu_%28city%29 > > They named the community they established Kisa, Bandundu, Congo, giving it > the same name as the name of their home town in Sweden. > > However, the settlement did not last long, as he died there. However, he > had a son who was born there by his Swedish wife Gunilla Birgersdottir. The > son was Sven Bengtsson (1650–1729) who was born in Kisa, Bandundu, Congo in > 1650 and died in Kisa,Östergötlands Län, Sweden 1729. He is my 6th > great-grandfather. > > After the death of Per Hemmingsson, it appears that the entire group went > back to Sweden. However, before leaving for Sweden, being a fair minded and > generous person, Per Hemmingsson contributed his own DNA to the local > population and, as a result, I have a sixth cousin born in deepest Darkest > Africa !!! > > Please note how early this date was. David Livingstone (1813-1873) was one > of the earliest European explorers of Africa and he was “found” by Stanley > in 1871. Henry Morton Stanley (1841-1904) is credited with being the first > European to explore the Congo River, yet, my ancestors were living on the > Congo River down in Central Africa in 1650 two hundred years before that > and not long after the *Mayflower* Pilgrims > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilgrims_%28Plymouth_Colony%29> landed on > Plymouth Rock. This is proven by the DNA test results. > > Indeed, nobody would even believe this incredible story but now we have the > proof unless somebody can figure out another way I could possibly have a > 6th > cousin living on the Congo River in Africa today. > > Sam Sloan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would you be willing to publish this? Is it publishable? I have a publishing company, Ishi Press. I have published over 700 books. Sam Sloan On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Dave Hamm via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello Andreas, > > Yep, I agree. I have compiled a massive amount of information on my > surname in a three volume work, totaling nearly 1200 pages, if memory > serves me. Most are the use of my surname in the U.S., but I have some > records that also include England and France. > > Plus, I have a lot of data from my Y-DNA surname project. > > Most of my autosomal segments only go out to about 4th or 5th cousin. > Most of the data that I have an interest in is beyond my 5th cousin. > There have been more than one occasion where folks have contacted me > about my male line, and I have had to say, "no, that is not my line, > that belongs to this other line," etc. (because I have information on a > number of branches). > > I have some 1900 matching autosomal segments, and some 1717 matching > segments on chromosome 1, with some 1138 matching segments on chromosome > 11. My tiny segment studies for my Y-DNA project group tells me that > these two chromosomes are my most dense for my 'surname' in haplotype > group I1-M253. > > So, it is standard procedure for me (when I see a large number of > matches in a particular area), to look to see who else matches at that > location (or, what surnames match at that location). Many times I > recognize the 'other' matching segment to a surname that relates to > another branch. > > For example, most recently a person contacted me about triangulating to > one of my ancestors. I immediately saw that it was not possible to > connect to the tree that I have at FTDNA, nor their tree at Ancestry. I > narrowed down my search to triangulating three surnames, plus data from > one of the lines in my Y-DNA project. I noticed that we matched that > particular start location with two other surnames (HAM, TAYLOR, and > PERRY). Several possibilities, but the location and time frame helped > narrow the search on that one. (The person who contacted me did not have > the correct line. We triangulate to one of my 4th or 5th cousins.) > > I have a large amount of data on my many 5th cousins which usually > includes at least children and spouses. > > I am getting to the point where I have created software that can tell me > what surname bunches into which segments on whatever chromosome. I am > getting to the point where I can identify which branch of whatever > surname matches whatever branch of my matching surname. > > So, when I see a large number of matches on a particular segment range > then I am a very happy camper. > > - Dave > > RE: > On 12/18/2015 9:20 PM, genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 08:35:35 +0700 > > From: Andreas West<ahnen@awest.de> > > Subject: Re: [DNA] My Raw Data Files - Comparison 23andme vs, > > AncestryDNA > > To: David Schroeder<dschroed991@sbcglobal.net>, > > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID:<E0E61E4E-8BAC-48CF-A406-929903BBEE0D@awest.de> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > We're all related to each other, so pileups are still relatives even > though it might back a very long time! > > > > See the WAAH on CHR 2 as an example > > > > Andreas > > > >> >On 19 Dec 2015, at 02:01, David Schroeder via< > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >Dave, > >> > > >> >"I was wondering what you were defining as a 'pile-up.'?" I am > defining a > >> >pileup as an extraordinary number of matches on a particular segment > region. > >> >These matches are with people I am not related to. Form me, it is > chromosome > >> >15 from positions 233,000 to 293,000 where I have several hundred > matches. > >> > > >> >"I am curious if you have crossed checked the reductions against what > >> >surnames go missing?" Not yet, in the planning stages after the > holidays. > >> > > >> >"Alternatively, have you counted the number of the pile-up of surnames > as > >> >well?" Not yet. I have explored enough matches in my pileup region to > know > >> >that there is no way most, if not all, of these people are related to > me. > >> >The pileups seem to show up in gedmatch, but it looks like 23andme > >> >eliminated my pileup matches in DNA Relatives. > >> > > >> >David > >> > > >> > > >> >Ann, > >> >"You speak of fixing errors -- I assume you're referring to no-calls > rather > >> >that outright errors (miscalls)?" Yes fixing no-calls. There were only > 106 > >> >wrong-call between Ancestry and 23. Since I had over 3500 AA, TT, CC > and GG > >> >that were no-calls in either 23 or ancestry, I would think that a > >> >significant number would be opposite homozygote which would break the > >> >segment, and reduce the number of matches. > >> > > >> >David > >> > > >> >Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 15:15:34 -0500 > >> >From: Dave Hamm<odoniv@earthlink.net> > >> >Subject: Re: [DNA] My Raw Data Files - Comparison 23andme vs, > >> > AncestryDNA > >> >To:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > >> >Message-ID:<567317E6.2010300@earthlink.net> > >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> > > >> >Hi David, > >> > > >> >Oh, I was wondering what you were defining as a 'pile-up.' > >> > > >> >I did not appear to be having such a problem, and could think of > several > >> >scenarios of what you could be referring to. I was thinking of your > >> >efinition of a 'pile-up' as in the HLA regions. (I identify those with > a > >> >simple calculation that includes the number of SNPS....) > >> > > >> >Now I get it. > >> > > >> >I am now thinking that you are looking at your surname signature(?). > >> >Or, at worst, haplotype group signature(?). > >> > > >> >I get chromosomes with a high density of matching (tiny) segments on > >> >chromosomes 1 and 11 when using autosomal sampling from my Y-DNA > surname > >> >project. > >> > > >> >I am thinking that I am looking at that as a basic signature for my > surname, > >> >because of the criteria I use to match each segment triad. > >> > > >> >Those segments that I do not use in the triad include at least one HLA > >> >region on chromosome 6. That HLA region (in my small study) occurs in > about > >> >25% of my sampling (after processing). Hence the confusion for me in > what > >> >you were using for the term 'pile-up.' Apparently, I would gather that > a > >> >pile-up such as in an HLA region is not what you are referring to. > >> > > >> >I would think that you may be working on a method that might very well > >> >refine your targeted matching segments. > >> > > >> >I am curious if you have crossed checked the reductions against what > >> >surnames go missing? > >> > > >> >Alternatively, have you counted the number of the pile-up of surnames > as > >> >well? > >> > > >> >(I am thinking that losing a random pool of names might be an > indication of > >> >progress.) > >> > > >> >Or am I still not understanding the definition (as used here) for a > pile-up > >> >region? > >> > > >> > - Dave Hamm > >> > > > > -- > Dave Hamm Franklin, OH > HAM Surname DNA Project Coordinator > email: odoniv@earthlink.net > URL: http://home.earthlink.net/~odoniv/HamCountry/HAMCountry.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Apologies for tagging onto this stream but I am also interested in a $20 Y coupon if one is available. I'm watching the Google docs page but it looks like none are available. Thanks much! Ken Waters On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Angelia via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Does anyone have a $20 ydna coupon code left for this week?I have an > elderly cousin who has (finally) agreed to testing and I want to strike > while it's hot.Funds are limited, so every bit helps! > Thanks in advance. > Angelia > PS - I have already checked the page at this link and they have all been > taken. > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CgXRKz2TySvRqSInveSIYoslO7yexAc9d-BzpNhaY1c/edit?usp=sharing > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CgXRKz2TySvRqSInveSIYoslO7yexAc9d-BzpNhaY1c/edit#gid=579783531 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Amateur Genealogist in Mesa, AZ Twitter: @FamilyTreeAZ Interests: DNA, Azores, San Francisco, early colonial America Surnames: Waters, Craddock, Spencer, Sylvia, Lemos, Cummings, Spivey, Wood, Berkley, Wheeler, and so much more.

Hello Andreas, Yep, I agree. I have compiled a massive amount of information on my surname in a three volume work, totaling nearly 1200 pages, if memory serves me. Most are the use of my surname in the U.S., but I have some records that also include England and France. Plus, I have a lot of data from my Y-DNA surname project. Most of my autosomal segments only go out to about 4th or 5th cousin. Most of the data that I have an interest in is beyond my 5th cousin. There have been more than one occasion where folks have contacted me about my male line, and I have had to say, "no, that is not my line, that belongs to this other line," etc. (because I have information on a number of branches). I have some 1900 matching autosomal segments, and some 1717 matching segments on chromosome 1, with some 1138 matching segments on chromosome 11. My tiny segment studies for my Y-DNA project group tells me that these two chromosomes are my most dense for my 'surname' in haplotype group I1-M253. So, it is standard procedure for me (when I see a large number of matches in a particular area), to look to see who else matches at that location (or, what surnames match at that location). Many times I recognize the 'other' matching segment to a surname that relates to another branch. For example, most recently a person contacted me about triangulating to one of my ancestors. I immediately saw that it was not possible to connect to the tree that I have at FTDNA, nor their tree at Ancestry. I narrowed down my search to triangulating three surnames, plus data from one of the lines in my Y-DNA project. I noticed that we matched that particular start location with two other surnames (HAM, TAYLOR, and PERRY). Several possibilities, but the location and time frame helped narrow the search on that one. (The person who contacted me did not have the correct line. We triangulate to one of my 4th or 5th cousins.) I have a large amount of data on my many 5th cousins which usually includes at least children and spouses. I am getting to the point where I have created software that can tell me what surname bunches into which segments on whatever chromosome. I am getting to the point where I can identify which branch of whatever surname matches whatever branch of my matching surname. So, when I see a large number of matches on a particular segment range then I am a very happy camper. - Dave RE: On 12/18/2015 9:20 PM, genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 08:35:35 +0700 > From: Andreas West<ahnen@awest.de> > Subject: Re: [DNA] My Raw Data Files - Comparison 23andme vs, > AncestryDNA > To: David Schroeder<dschroed991@sbcglobal.net>, > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Message-ID:<E0E61E4E-8BAC-48CF-A406-929903BBEE0D@awest.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > We're all related to each other, so pileups are still relatives even though it might back a very long time! > > See the WAAH on CHR 2 as an example > > Andreas > >> >On 19 Dec 2015, at 02:01, David Schroeder via<genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> > >> >Dave, >> > >> >"I was wondering what you were defining as a 'pile-up.'?" I am defining a >> >pileup as an extraordinary number of matches on a particular segment region. >> >These matches are with people I am not related to. Form me, it is chromosome >> >15 from positions 233,000 to 293,000 where I have several hundred matches. >> > >> >"I am curious if you have crossed checked the reductions against what >> >surnames go missing?" Not yet, in the planning stages after the holidays. >> > >> >"Alternatively, have you counted the number of the pile-up of surnames as >> >well?" Not yet. I have explored enough matches in my pileup region to know >> >that there is no way most, if not all, of these people are related to me. >> >The pileups seem to show up in gedmatch, but it looks like 23andme >> >eliminated my pileup matches in DNA Relatives. >> > >> >David >> > >> > >> >Ann, >> >"You speak of fixing errors -- I assume you're referring to no-calls rather >> >that outright errors (miscalls)?" Yes fixing no-calls. There were only 106 >> >wrong-call between Ancestry and 23. Since I had over 3500 AA, TT, CC and GG >> >that were no-calls in either 23 or ancestry, I would think that a >> >significant number would be opposite homozygote which would break the >> >segment, and reduce the number of matches. >> > >> >David >> > >> >Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 15:15:34 -0500 >> >From: Dave Hamm<odoniv@earthlink.net> >> >Subject: Re: [DNA] My Raw Data Files - Comparison 23andme vs, >> > AncestryDNA >> >To:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> >Message-ID:<567317E6.2010300@earthlink.net> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> > >> >Hi David, >> > >> >Oh, I was wondering what you were defining as a 'pile-up.' >> > >> >I did not appear to be having such a problem, and could think of several >> >scenarios of what you could be referring to. I was thinking of your >> >efinition of a 'pile-up' as in the HLA regions. (I identify those with a >> >simple calculation that includes the number of SNPS....) >> > >> >Now I get it. >> > >> >I am now thinking that you are looking at your surname signature(?). >> >Or, at worst, haplotype group signature(?). >> > >> >I get chromosomes with a high density of matching (tiny) segments on >> >chromosomes 1 and 11 when using autosomal sampling from my Y-DNA surname >> >project. >> > >> >I am thinking that I am looking at that as a basic signature for my surname, >> >because of the criteria I use to match each segment triad. >> > >> >Those segments that I do not use in the triad include at least one HLA >> >region on chromosome 6. That HLA region (in my small study) occurs in about >> >25% of my sampling (after processing). Hence the confusion for me in what >> >you were using for the term 'pile-up.' Apparently, I would gather that a >> >pile-up such as in an HLA region is not what you are referring to. >> > >> >I would think that you may be working on a method that might very well >> >refine your targeted matching segments. >> > >> >I am curious if you have crossed checked the reductions against what >> >surnames go missing? >> > >> >Alternatively, have you counted the number of the pile-up of surnames as >> >well? >> > >> >(I am thinking that losing a random pool of names might be an indication of >> >progress.) >> > >> >Or am I still not understanding the definition (as used here) for a pile-up >> >region? >> > >> > - Dave Hamm >> > -- Dave Hamm Franklin, OH HAM Surname DNA Project Coordinator email: odoniv@earthlink.net URL: http://home.earthlink.net/~odoniv/HamCountry/HAMCountry.html

Amazing Discovery through Ancestry – My Black 6th Cousins Ancestry dot com has made a lot of changes lately. I hope they are for the better but they require some getting used to. When I took a look at their new (I think) Ancestry DNA insights page, at the top row of their DNA matches, I found the picture of a Black woman who, it said, has a *Predicted relationship: Distant Cousins **with me. Possible range: 5th - 8th cousins *Confidence: Moderate Naturally, I was surprised at this as I am lily white, Swedish and Irish and there is no record of my family owning slaves. However, using the new tools available on Ancestry plus my own family tree that I have been working on for the last twenty years, I was able to solve this mystery in about fifteen minutes. My grandfather , my mothers father, was Wesley Jacobson (1877-1963). His family on both sides settled Iowa in 1845 arriving from Kisa, Ostergotland, Sweden . Using the Disbyt Database, a huge Swedish genealogical data base, I was able to trace his ancestors back to Sven Bengtsson who had a death date of 12 OCT 1729 in Ulrika, Ostergotland, Sweden but no birth date. You can see him here on my rootsweb family tree http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=samsloan&id=I6668 Ancestry had another family tree that showed who his father was. His father was Per Hemmingsson, who was born 1630 in Kisa, Östergötlands Län, Sweden It appears that in about 1650 Per Hemmingsson, my 7th great-grandfather, led a group of Swedes to establish a settlement in *Bandundu *in what is now the Democratic Republic of the Congo <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo>. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandundu_%28city%29 They named the community they established Kisa, Bandundu, Congo, giving it the same name as the name of their home town in Sweden. However, the settlement did not last long, as he died there. However, he had a son who was born there by his Swedish wife Gunilla Birgersdottir. The son was Sven Bengtsson (1650–1729) who was born in Kisa, Bandundu, Congo in 1650 and died in Kisa,Östergötlands Län, Sweden 1729. He is my 6th great-grandfather. After the death of Per Hemmingsson, it appears that the entire group went back to Sweden. However, before leaving for Sweden, being a fair minded and generous person, Per Hemmingsson contributed his own DNA to the local population and, as a result, I have a sixth cousin born in deepest Darkest Africa !!! Please note how early this date was. David Livingstone (1813-1873) was one of the earliest European explorers of Africa and he was “found” by Stanley in 1871. Henry Morton Stanley (1841-1904) is credited with being the first European to explore the Congo River, yet, my ancestors were living on the Congo River down in Central Africa in 1650 two hundred years before that and not long after the *Mayflower* Pilgrims <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilgrims_%28Plymouth_Colony%29> landed on Plymouth Rock. This is proven by the DNA test results. Indeed, nobody would even believe this incredible story but now we have the proof unless somebody can figure out another way I could possibly have a 6th cousin living on the Congo River in Africa today. Sam Sloan

Merry Christmas, Angelia! John R Sent from my iPad > On Dec 18, 2015, at 9:30 PM, Angelia via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Thank you. > I got the code I needed.It is greatlly appreciated. > Angelia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message