Dear Linda, These are excellent points. If you test relatives it makes a lot of sense to put them on your own account so that you have control over the raw data files and over the match lists. I have recently been focusing on testing 3rd and 4th cousins since I have for the most part exhausted my list of first and 2nd cousins to test. Testing people at Ancestry.com or with Family Finder and then uploading to GEDmatch has been my most cost effective strategy recently. Sincerely, Tim Janzen -----Original Message----- From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Reid via Sent: Friday, January 1, 2016 6:18 AM To: GENEALOGY-DNA@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Testing Cousins I agree completely with what Karla said about it being vital to test cousins and that we should not expect our relatives to finance our hobby. Like her, I've been pleasantly surprised when some have offered to pay themselves and thrilled when they share their kit numbers and passwords with me. In a couple of instances where non-keen genealogists have paid for their own kits and not given me access or loaded to GEDmatch, I am very frustrated and wish that I had paid for the test myself. We pay for subscription databases, conference/workshop attendance, research trips-- DNA tests are just another way of spending the money we are prepared to devote to genealogical pursuits. I can't think of anything more productive than testing the oldest generation still alive. If you don't have known relatives in your match list to compare to, you are just spinning your wheels guessing how matches might be related. If Americans are frustrated by discovering matches who don't know much about their family trees, think about how much more frustrating it is to non-Americans. I am a Canadian and my grandparents were all the immigrants: two from England, one from Ireland and one from Scotland. I wish that there was a marker on matches indicating "interested in US only". It would save me so much time! If I had not been pro-active at getting relatives tested, I would have got nothing from my Family Finder test. I have tested not only known close relatives but researched down collateral lines to find more distant cousins. Finding and testing a 4th cousin on my Irish line broke through a longstanding brick wall. the body of the message

I agree completely with what Karla said about it being vital to test cousins and that we should not expect our relatives to finance our hobby. Like her, I've been pleasantly surprised when some have offered to pay themselves and thrilled when they share their kit numbers and passwords with me. In a couple of instances where non-keen genealogists have paid for their own kits and not given me access or loaded to GEDmatch, I am very frustrated and wish that I had paid for the test myself. We pay for subscription databases, conference/workshop attendance, research trips-- DNA tests are just another way of spending the money we are prepared to devote to genealogical pursuits. I can't think of anything more productive than testing the oldest generation still alive. If you don't have known relatives in your match list to compare to, you are just spinning your wheels guessing how matches might be related. If Americans are frustrated by discovering matches who don't know much about their family trees, think about how much more frustrating it is to non-Americans. I am a Canadian and my grandparents were all the immigrants: two from England, one from Ireland and one from Scotland. I wish that there was a marker on matches indicating "interested in US only". It would save me so much time! If I had not been pro-active at getting relatives tested, I would have got nothing from my Family Finder test. I have tested not only known close relatives but researched down collateral lines to find more distant cousins. Finding and testing a 4th cousin on my Irish line broke through a longstanding brick wall. Message: 6 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 11:46:17 -0500 From: Karla Huebner<calypsospots@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [DNA] My First NPE To: Lindsey Britton<lplantagenet@aol.com> Cc:"genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com" <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CA+FJH4NwZg0+WeCEwE4ozFvHqB4ccYYhKR4d5XSpJXs2n1Q14A@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Testing cousins is vital. I'm always delighted when one of them is willing to pay, but I figure I can't expect them to finance my hobby (even if they're also into family history). Karla

I have a $100.00 coupon available for the big Y Email me Janis -----Original Message----- From: genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genealogy-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 1:38 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: GENEALOGY-DNA Digest, Vol 10, Issue 715 Today's Topics: 1. Re: My First NPE (Lindsey Britton) 2. Problem at the Britton Project (Lindsey Britton) 3. Re: Problem at the Britton Project (Rebekah Canada) 4. Re: My First NPE (Karla Huebner) 5. Re: My First NPE (Lindsey Britton) 6. Re: My First NPE (Karla Huebner) 7. Re: My First NPE (Lindsey Britton) 8. Re: The A00 Cameroon Research Project asks for your support (Bonnie Schrack) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 09:51:10 -0500 From: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com> Subject: Re: [DNA] My First NPE To: GENEALOGY-DNA@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <151f88564dc-3ed-11421@webprd-m26.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Maybe this is why I am having so much trouble with FF. I know my ancestry, but my matches don't. I sent about 60 e-mails to 2-4th cousin matches earlier this week along with a detailed chart of my mother's ancestors back to the 3rd-5th great grandparents. Of course, I have gaps as most of us do. Gaps are inevitable in Virginia's burned record counties. What is not inevitable is tracing lines in burned record counties back to the 1600s and I have quite a few of those, too. Since 2nd to 4th cousins share ancestry no further back that 3rd great grandparents, I felt sure some of these matches would recognize one or two of my lines, but alas, I was wrong. I did get many replies, but no clues. The most likely was from someone in Scotland who said his ancestors came from Galloway where my mother's 2nd great grandfather Kevan was born. Lindsey PS I tried GEDMATCH, but am a bit disappointed. I like the Are your parents related? tool, the Phasing tool which I intend to use once I get my results, and the Lazarus tool sounds interesting if I can find enough relatives on the same line to try it, which doesn't seem likely at this point, but FTDNA's match lists and ICW tool are easier to use and results for the Heritage tools at GEDMATCH are wild. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 09:53:30 -0500 From: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com> Subject: [DNA] Problem at the Britton Project To: GENEALOGY-DNA@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <151f88788f8-3ed-11434@webprd-m26.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Where do I write for help with an account in my Britton Project? Lindsey ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 09:13:27 -0600 From: Rebekah Canada <rebekahc@genebygene.com> Subject: Re: [DNA] Problem at the Britton Project To: "genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com" <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CADjN41wJOEEatXuFHD49=bMOYwSELN=GhU0Lb84NSaYxiNH0Pg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Lindsey, You, as a project administrator, can always write to groups@ftdna.com for help. You can also ask for the GAP team when you call on the phone. 713-868-1438 On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Where do I write for help with an account in my Britton Project? > > Lindsey > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Regards, Rebekah Canada Gene by Gene -- This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 11:26:09 -0500 From: Karla Huebner <calypsospots@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [DNA] My First NPE To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>, "genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com" <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CA+FJH4Om1VEUmht1Y9UvhyVRapQHZaWhY2OLVjS3jyGYMSgXbg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Family Finder does take time and work. In my own tree I have sufficiently different ethnicities that to some extent I was able to map out portions without asking for family trees; of course, having tested an increasing number of family members has been a big help. I have been able to guess a few people's connection by looking at surname lists, but mostly not, due to patronymics and overly common surnames. This morning I'm embarking on a big new area--I was able to get a FF test done for a man listed in the Todd project as having a shared ancestral couple born in the 1770s, and his results are now available to me. One of his matches also matches one of my Todd descendants (he himself does not come up as a match for anyone I've tested but the three match on the same basic segment), and his closest match lists a couple of familiar surnames with the right locations. However, it'll be a big jigsaw puzzle working with his DNA especially given that FTDNA hasn't matched him to anyone else I've tested. Just keep chipping away at it and the discoveries will come. On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Lindsey Britton via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Maybe this is why I am having so much trouble with FF. I know my > ancestry, but my matches don't. I sent about 60 e-mails to 2-4th > cousin matches earlier this week along with a detailed chart of my > mother's ancestors back to the 3rd-5th great grandparents. Of course, > I have gaps as most of us do. Gaps are inevitable in Virginia's > burned record counties. What is not inevitable is tracing lines in > burned record counties back to the 1600s and I have quite a few of > those, too. Since 2nd to 4th cousins share ancestry no further back > that 3rd great grandparents, I felt sure some of these matches would > recognize one or two of my lines, but alas, I was wrong. I did get > many replies, but no clues. The most likely was from someone in > Scotland who said his ancestors came from Galloway where my mother's 2nd great grandfather Kevan was born. > > Lindsey > > PS I tried GEDMATCH, but am a bit disappointed. I like the Are your > parents related? tool, the Phasing tool which I intend to use once I > get my results, and the Lazarus tool sounds interesting if I can find > enough relatives on the same line to try it, which doesn't seem likely > at this point, but FTDNA's match lists and ICW tool are easier to use > and results for the Heritage tools at GEDMATCH are wild. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 11:38:30 -0500 From: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com> Subject: Re: [DNA] My First NPE To: calypsospots@gmail.com, genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <151f8e7aa47-6f62-12534@webprd-m54.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I've identified three ancestral pairs based on 1) 2nd cousin relationship and surname list 2) Oxfordshire ancestry (4th cousin once removed) and 3) rare surname (5th cousin once removed) However, I think the key to success lies in persuading cousins to test and that's not easy because of the work required and the low success rate unless many participate, especially when the cousins all have long pedigrees going back in many cases to 17th century ancestors or beyond. Their view is : what's the point or what's our chance of bridging any gaps? Lindsey -----Original Message----- From: Karla Huebner <calypsospots@gmail.com> To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 31, 2015 11:26 am Subject: Re: [DNA] My First NPE Family Finder does take time and work. In my own tree I have sufficiently different ethnicities that to some extent I was able to map out portions without asking for family trees; of course, having tested an increasing number of family members has been a big help. I have been able to guess a few people's connection by looking at surname lists, but mostly not, due to patronymics and overly common surnames. This morning I'm embarking on a big new area--I was able to get a FF test done for a man listed in the Todd project as having a shared ancestral couple born in the 1770s, and his results are now available to me. One of his matches also matches one of my Todd descendants (he himself does not come up as a match for anyone I've tested but the three match on the same basic segment), and his closest match lists a couple of familiar surnames with the right locations. However, it'll be a big jigsaw puzzle working with his DNA especially given that FTDNA hasn't matched him to anyone else I've tested. Just keep chipping away at it and the discoveries will come. On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: Maybe this is why I am having so much trouble with FF. I know my ancestry, but my matches don't. I sent about 60 e-mails to 2-4th cousin matches earlier this week along with a detailed chart of my mother's ancestors back to the 3rd-5th great grandparents. Of course, I have gaps as most of us do. Gaps are inevitable in Virginia's burned record counties. What is not inevitable is tracing lines in burned record counties back to the 1600s and I have quite a few of those, too. Since 2nd to 4th cousins share ancestry no further back that 3rd great grandparents, I felt sure some of these matches would recognize one or two of my lines, but alas, I was wrong. I did get many replies, but no clues. The most likely was from someone in Scotland who said his ancestors came from Galloway where my mother's 2nd great grandfather Kevan was born. Lindsey PS I tried GEDMATCH, but am a bit disappointed. I like the Are your parents related? tool, the Phasing tool which I intend to use once I get my results, and the Lazarus tool sounds interesting if I can find enough relatives on the same line to try it, which doesn't seem likely at this point, but FTDNA's match lists and ICW tool are easier to use and results for the Heritage tools at GEDMATCH are wild. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 11:46:17 -0500 From: Karla Huebner <calypsospots@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [DNA] My First NPE To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com> Cc: "genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com" <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CA+FJH4NwZg0+WeCEwE4ozFvHqB4ccYYhKR4d5XSpJXs2n1Q14A@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Testing cousins is vital. I'm always delighted when one of them is willing to pay, but I figure I can't expect them to finance my hobby (even if they're also into family history). Karla On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com> wrote: > I've identified three ancestral pairs based on 1) 2nd cousin relationship > and surname list 2) Oxfordshire ancestry (4th cousin once removed) and 3) > rare surname (5th cousin once removed) > > However, I think the key to success lies in persuading cousins to test and > that's not easy because of the work required and the low success rate > unless many participate, especially when the cousins all have long > pedigrees going back in many cases to 17th century ancestors or beyond. > Their view is : what's the point or what's our chance of bridging any gaps? > > Lindsey > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karla Huebner <calypsospots@gmail.com> > To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, Dec 31, 2015 11:26 am > Subject: Re: [DNA] My First NPE > > Family Finder does take time and work. In my own tree I have sufficiently > different ethnicities that to some extent I was able to map out portions > without asking for family trees; of course, having tested an increasing > number of family members has been a big help. > > I have been able to guess a few people's connection by looking at surname > lists, but mostly not, due to patronymics and overly common surnames. This > morning I'm embarking on a big new area--I was able to get a FF test done > for a man listed in the Todd project as having a shared ancestral couple > born in the 1770s, and his results are now available to me. One of his > matches also matches one of my Todd descendants (he himself does not come > up as a match for anyone I've tested but the three match on the same basic > segment), and his closest match lists a couple of familiar surnames with > the right locations. However, it'll be a big jigsaw puzzle working with his > DNA especially given that FTDNA hasn't matched him to anyone else I've > tested. > > Just keep chipping away at it and the discoveries will come. > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Lindsey Britton via < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Maybe this is why I am having so much trouble with FF. I know my >> ancestry, but my matches don't. I sent about 60 e-mails to 2-4th cousin >> matches earlier this week along with a detailed chart of my mother's >> ancestors back to the 3rd-5th great grandparents. Of course, I have gaps >> as most of us do. Gaps are inevitable in Virginia's burned record >> counties. What is not inevitable is tracing lines in burned record >> counties back to the 1600s and I have quite a few of those, too. Since 2nd >> to 4th cousins share ancestry no further back that 3rd great grandparents, >> I felt sure some of these matches would recognize one or two of my lines, >> but alas, I was wrong. I did get many replies, but no clues. The most >> likely was from someone in Scotland who said his ancestors came from >> Galloway where my mother's 2nd great grandfather Kevan was born. >> >> Lindsey >> >> PS I tried GEDMATCH, but am a bit disappointed. I like the Are your >> parents related? tool, the Phasing tool which I intend to use once I get my >> results, and the Lazarus tool sounds interesting if I can find enough >> relatives on the same line to try it, which doesn't seem likely at this >> point, but FTDNA's match lists and ICW tool are easier to use and results >> for the Heritage tools at GEDMATCH are wild. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Karla Huebner > calypsospots AT gmail.com > -- Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 11:53:27 -0500 From: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com> Subject: Re: [DNA] My First NPE To: calypsospots@gmail.com Cc: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <151f8f559b7-6f62-125dc@webprd-m54.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Maybe I spoke too quickly--just had an invitation to a tree at Ancestry where I immediately noticed the name Spencer Bobo Moore. Spencer Bobo was a descendant of my ancestor Thomas Spencer, although Thomas was born in the mid 17th century. Anyhow, the unusual name makes me wonder whether this is more than coincidence. You are right--I don't expect people to pay if they aren't interested, but since I don't like paying for tests except for immediate family members, I will either have to find cousins who want to participate or identify some who are already in the database. Lindsey -----Original Message----- From: Karla Huebner <calypsospots@gmail.com> To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com> Cc: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 31, 2015 11:46 am Subject: Re: [DNA] My First NPE Testing cousins is vital. I'm always delighted when one of them is willing to pay, but I figure I can't expect them to finance my hobby (even if they're also into family history). Karla On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com> wrote: I've identified three ancestral pairs based on 1) 2nd cousin relationship and surname list 2) Oxfordshire ancestry (4th cousin once removed) and 3) rare surname (5th cousin once removed) However, I think the key to success lies in persuading cousins to test and that's not easy because of the work required and the low success rate unless many participate, especially when the cousins all have long pedigrees going back in many cases to 17th century ancestors or beyond. Their view is : what's the point or what's our chance of bridging any gaps? Lindsey -----Original Message----- From: Karla Huebner <calypsospots@gmail.com> To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 31, 2015 11:26 am Subject: Re: [DNA] My First NPE Family Finder does take time and work. In my own tree I have sufficiently different ethnicities that to some extent I was able to map out portions without asking for family trees; of course, having tested an increasing number of family members has been a big help. I have been able to guess a few people's connection by looking at surname lists, but mostly not, due to patronymics and overly common surnames. This morning I'm embarking on a big new area--I was able to get a FF test done for a man listed in the Todd project as having a shared ancestral couple born in the 1770s, and his results are now available to me. One of his matches also matches one of my Todd descendants (he himself does not come up as a match for anyone I've tested but the three match on the same basic segment), and his closest match lists a couple of familiar surnames with the right locations. However, it'll be a big jigsaw puzzle working with his DNA especially given that FTDNA hasn't matched him to anyone else I've tested. Just keep chipping away at it and the discoveries will come. On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: Maybe this is why I am having so much trouble with FF. I know my ancestry, but my matches don't. I sent about 60 e-mails to 2-4th cousin matches earlier this week along with a detailed chart of my mother's ancestors back to the 3rd-5th great grandparents. Of course, I have gaps as most of us do. Gaps are inevitable in Virginia's burned record counties. What is not inevitable is tracing lines in burned record counties back to the 1600s and I have quite a few of those, too. Since 2nd to 4th cousins share ancestry no further back that 3rd great grandparents, I felt sure some of these matches would recognize one or two of my lines, but alas, I was wrong. I did get many replies, but no clues. The most likely was from someone in Scotland who said his ancestors came from Galloway where my mother's 2nd great grandfather Kevan was born. Lindsey PS I tried GEDMATCH, but am a bit disappointed. I like the Are your parents related? tool, the Phasing tool which I intend to use once I get my results, and the Lazarus tool sounds interesting if I can find enough relatives on the same line to try it, which doesn't seem likely at this point, but FTDNA's match lists and ICW tool are easier to use and results for the Heritage tools at GEDMATCH are wild. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com -- Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 13:37:23 -0500 From: Bonnie Schrack <bschrack1@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [DNA] The A00 Cameroon Research Project asks for your support To: Genealogy-DNA@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <568575E3.8060803@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Dear all, We received an outstanding flood of generosity for several days after my initial posting about our project. I'm so grateful to this community! Our total is now at $6300. However, the job is not yet done. While you're busy making your last-minute charitable donations, please take a minute to help us reach our goal by January 6th. The end is in sight! We're still $1355 short -- not bad, but it means we need a number of people to pitch in. http://Experiment.com/A00west I think there must be a few of you who are waiting to the last minute, to see how much we'll need to put us over the top. There's no need to wait, as you can easily increase your donation on Jan. 5th if you see that we need it. Plans are going forward for Thomas' trip to Cameroon in late January. In addition to helping with sampling and returning results to donors, he's going to be sending back a lot of pictures and geospatial data, maybe even live video! Please help us get ready, and not run out of the support needed to send Matthew out to collect the samples, and for YSEQ to test them. I've been looking at the most unusual haplotypes, other than the 35+ A00, from those tested so far. It looks like at least two of them might be Cameroonian R1b! Whit's predictor doesn't include a lot of the relevant African haplogroups, but it classifies another one as Q. In Africa? Maybe an extreme outlying R1b? These obviously will need to have SNPs tested if we ever want to find out what they are! I've just come to the conclusion that another belongs to the rare B1 clade, and it wasn't hard to see that another is A0a1a. Another one could possibly be B2b, but it has no near matches, it's still a mystery. At least one is E1a, three of them look like E2, and three others, I'm sure are B2a1. None of these non-A samples will be tested with your current donations to the project, which are for the purpose of learning more about A00. We need to focus, first and foremost, on meeting the goal of our campaign at Experiment.com, because remember, without the A00 project going forward, we won't be able to continue collecting and discovering such rare kinds of Y-DNA. If you have already donated to the project and would like to send us something to help identify the mystery samples, you may send a donation to the PayPal account and designate it for that purpose. Thanks! Bonnie http://experiment.com/A00west ------------------------------ To contact the GENEALOGY-DNA list administrator, send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the GENEALOGY-DNA mailing list, send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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Thank you for your reply, Rebekah. I wrote to FTDNA and received an answer a few minutes ago. It seems that he doesn't have matches because he didn't order the upgrade. I was never aware until now that an upgrade was required, but I see that it is specified on the order page. My cousins did not have to upgrade, but perhaps that's because they transferred from DNA Heritage--or maybe the upgrade requirement is relatively new. Lindsey

Dear all, We received an outstanding flood of generosity for several days after my initial posting about our project. I'm so grateful to this community! Our total is now at $6300. However, the job is not yet done. While you're busy making your last-minute charitable donations, please take a minute to help us reach our goal by January 6th. The end is in sight! We're still $1355 short -- not bad, but it means we need a number of people to pitch in. http://Experiment.com/A00west I think there must be a few of you who are waiting to the last minute, to see how much we'll need to put us over the top. There's no need to wait, as you can easily increase your donation on Jan. 5th if you see that we need it. Plans are going forward for Thomas' trip to Cameroon in late January. In addition to helping with sampling and returning results to donors, he's going to be sending back a lot of pictures and geospatial data, maybe even live video! Please help us get ready, and not run out of the support needed to send Matthew out to collect the samples, and for YSEQ to test them. I've been looking at the most unusual haplotypes, other than the 35+ A00, from those tested so far. It looks like at least two of them might be Cameroonian R1b! Whit's predictor doesn't include a lot of the relevant African haplogroups, but it classifies another one as Q. In Africa? Maybe an extreme outlying R1b? These obviously will need to have SNPs tested if we ever want to find out what they are! I've just come to the conclusion that another belongs to the rare B1 clade, and it wasn't hard to see that another is A0a1a. Another one could possibly be B2b, but it has no near matches, it's still a mystery. At least one is E1a, three of them look like E2, and three others, I'm sure are B2a1. None of these non-A samples will be tested with your current donations to the project, which are for the purpose of learning more about A00. We need to focus, first and foremost, on meeting the goal of our campaign at Experiment.com, because remember, without the A00 project going forward, we won't be able to continue collecting and discovering such rare kinds of Y-DNA. If you have already donated to the project and would like to send us something to help identify the mystery samples, you may send a donation to the PayPal account and designate it for that purpose. Thanks! Bonnie http://experiment.com/A00west

Great job Bonnie! Thank you so much for doing this I backed you and facebooked it out I will also add it to my end of year blog post :) --------------------------------------------------------------- Kitty Munson Cooper, web developer,programmer, San Diego,CA genetic genealogy blog at http://blog.kittycooper.com/ family history and genealogy at http://kittymunson.com On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Bonnie Schrack via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Dear all, > > We received an outstanding flood of generosity for several days after my > initial posting about our project. I'm so grateful to this community! > Our total is now at $6300. > > However, the job is not yet done. While you're busy making your > last-minute charitable donations, please take a minute to help us reach > our goal by January 6th. The end is in sight! We're still $1355 short -- > not bad, but it means we need a number of people to pitch in. > > http://Experiment.com/A00west > > I think there must be a few of you who are waiting to the last minute, > to see how much we'll need to put us over the top. There's no need to > wait, as you can easily increase your donation on Jan. 5th if you see > that we need it. > > Plans are going forward for Thomas' trip to Cameroon in late January. In > addition to helping with sampling and returning results to donors, he's > going to be sending back a lot of pictures and geospatial data, maybe > even live video! Please help us get ready, and not run out of the > support needed to send Matthew out to collect the samples, and for YSEQ > to test them. > > I've been looking at the most unusual haplotypes, other than the 35+ > A00, from those tested so far. It looks like at least two of them might > be Cameroonian R1b! Whit's predictor doesn't include a lot of the > relevant African haplogroups, but it classifies another one as Q. In > Africa? Maybe an extreme outlying R1b? These obviously will need to have > SNPs tested if we ever want to find out what they are! > > I've just come to the conclusion that another belongs to the rare B1 > clade, and it wasn't hard to see that another is A0a1a. Another one > could possibly be B2b, but it has no near matches, it's still a mystery. > At least one is E1a, three of them look like E2, and three others, I'm > sure are B2a1. > > None of these non-A samples will be tested with your current donations > to the project, which are for the purpose of learning more about A00. > We need to focus, first and foremost, on meeting the goal of our > campaign at Experiment.com, because remember, without the A00 project > going forward, we won't be able to continue collecting and discovering > such rare kinds of Y-DNA. If you have already donated to the project > and would like to send us something to help identify the mystery > samples, you may send a donation to the PayPal account and designate it > for that purpose. Thanks! > > Bonnie > > http://experiment.com/A00west > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Maybe I spoke too quickly--just had an invitation to a tree at Ancestry where I immediately noticed the name Spencer Bobo Moore. Spencer Bobo was a descendant of my ancestor Thomas Spencer, although Thomas was born in the mid 17th century. Anyhow, the unusual name makes me wonder whether this is more than coincidence. You are right--I don't expect people to pay if they aren't interested, but since I don't like paying for tests except for immediate family members, I will either have to find cousins who want to participate or identify some who are already in the database. Lindsey -----Original Message----- From: Karla Huebner <calypsospots@gmail.com> To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com> Cc: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 31, 2015 11:46 am Subject: Re: [DNA] My First NPE Testing cousins is vital. I'm always delighted when one of them is willing to pay, but I figure I can't expect them to finance my hobby (even if they're also into family history). Karla On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com> wrote: I've identified three ancestral pairs based on 1) 2nd cousin relationship and surname list 2) Oxfordshire ancestry (4th cousin once removed) and 3) rare surname (5th cousin once removed) However, I think the key to success lies in persuading cousins to test and that's not easy because of the work required and the low success rate unless many participate, especially when the cousins all have long pedigrees going back in many cases to 17th century ancestors or beyond. Their view is : what's the point or what's our chance of bridging any gaps? Lindsey -----Original Message----- From: Karla Huebner <calypsospots@gmail.com> To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 31, 2015 11:26 am Subject: Re: [DNA] My First NPE Family Finder does take time and work. In my own tree I have sufficiently different ethnicities that to some extent I was able to map out portions without asking for family trees; of course, having tested an increasing number of family members has been a big help. I have been able to guess a few people's connection by looking at surname lists, but mostly not, due to patronymics and overly common surnames. This morning I'm embarking on a big new area--I was able to get a FF test done for a man listed in the Todd project as having a shared ancestral couple born in the 1770s, and his results are now available to me. One of his matches also matches one of my Todd descendants (he himself does not come up as a match for anyone I've tested but the three match on the same basic segment), and his closest match lists a couple of familiar surnames with the right locations. However, it'll be a big jigsaw puzzle working with his DNA especially given that FTDNA hasn't matched him to anyone else I've tested. Just keep chipping away at it and the discoveries will come. On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: Maybe this is why I am having so much trouble with FF. I know my ancestry, but my matches don't. I sent about 60 e-mails to 2-4th cousin matches earlier this week along with a detailed chart of my mother's ancestors back to the 3rd-5th great grandparents. Of course, I have gaps as most of us do. Gaps are inevitable in Virginia's burned record counties. What is not inevitable is tracing lines in burned record counties back to the 1600s and I have quite a few of those, too. Since 2nd to 4th cousins share ancestry no further back that 3rd great grandparents, I felt sure some of these matches would recognize one or two of my lines, but alas, I was wrong. I did get many replies, but no clues. The most likely was from someone in Scotland who said his ancestors came from Galloway where my mother's 2nd great grandfather Kevan was born. Lindsey PS I tried GEDMATCH, but am a bit disappointed. I like the Are your parents related? tool, the Phasing tool which I intend to use once I get my results, and the Lazarus tool sounds interesting if I can find enough relatives on the same line to try it, which doesn't seem likely at this point, but FTDNA's match lists and ICW tool are easier to use and results for the Heritage tools at GEDMATCH are wild. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com -- Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com

Testing cousins is vital. I'm always delighted when one of them is willing to pay, but I figure I can't expect them to finance my hobby (even if they're also into family history). Karla On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com> wrote: > I've identified three ancestral pairs based on 1) 2nd cousin relationship > and surname list 2) Oxfordshire ancestry (4th cousin once removed) and 3) > rare surname (5th cousin once removed) > > However, I think the key to success lies in persuading cousins to test and > that's not easy because of the work required and the low success rate > unless many participate, especially when the cousins all have long > pedigrees going back in many cases to 17th century ancestors or beyond. > Their view is : what's the point or what's our chance of bridging any gaps? > > Lindsey > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karla Huebner <calypsospots@gmail.com> > To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, Dec 31, 2015 11:26 am > Subject: Re: [DNA] My First NPE > > Family Finder does take time and work. In my own tree I have sufficiently > different ethnicities that to some extent I was able to map out portions > without asking for family trees; of course, having tested an increasing > number of family members has been a big help. > > I have been able to guess a few people's connection by looking at surname > lists, but mostly not, due to patronymics and overly common surnames. This > morning I'm embarking on a big new area--I was able to get a FF test done > for a man listed in the Todd project as having a shared ancestral couple > born in the 1770s, and his results are now available to me. One of his > matches also matches one of my Todd descendants (he himself does not come > up as a match for anyone I've tested but the three match on the same basic > segment), and his closest match lists a couple of familiar surnames with > the right locations. However, it'll be a big jigsaw puzzle working with his > DNA especially given that FTDNA hasn't matched him to anyone else I've > tested. > > Just keep chipping away at it and the discoveries will come. > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Lindsey Britton via < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Maybe this is why I am having so much trouble with FF. I know my >> ancestry, but my matches don't. I sent about 60 e-mails to 2-4th cousin >> matches earlier this week along with a detailed chart of my mother's >> ancestors back to the 3rd-5th great grandparents. Of course, I have gaps >> as most of us do. Gaps are inevitable in Virginia's burned record >> counties. What is not inevitable is tracing lines in burned record >> counties back to the 1600s and I have quite a few of those, too. Since 2nd >> to 4th cousins share ancestry no further back that 3rd great grandparents, >> I felt sure some of these matches would recognize one or two of my lines, >> but alas, I was wrong. I did get many replies, but no clues. The most >> likely was from someone in Scotland who said his ancestors came from >> Galloway where my mother's 2nd great grandfather Kevan was born. >> >> Lindsey >> >> PS I tried GEDMATCH, but am a bit disappointed. I like the Are your >> parents related? tool, the Phasing tool which I intend to use once I get my >> results, and the Lazarus tool sounds interesting if I can find enough >> relatives on the same line to try it, which doesn't seem likely at this >> point, but FTDNA's match lists and ICW tool are easier to use and results >> for the Heritage tools at GEDMATCH are wild. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Karla Huebner > calypsospots AT gmail.com > -- Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com

I've identified three ancestral pairs based on 1) 2nd cousin relationship and surname list 2) Oxfordshire ancestry (4th cousin once removed) and 3) rare surname (5th cousin once removed) However, I think the key to success lies in persuading cousins to test and that's not easy because of the work required and the low success rate unless many participate, especially when the cousins all have long pedigrees going back in many cases to 17th century ancestors or beyond. Their view is : what's the point or what's our chance of bridging any gaps? Lindsey -----Original Message----- From: Karla Huebner <calypsospots@gmail.com> To: Lindsey Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 31, 2015 11:26 am Subject: Re: [DNA] My First NPE Family Finder does take time and work. In my own tree I have sufficiently different ethnicities that to some extent I was able to map out portions without asking for family trees; of course, having tested an increasing number of family members has been a big help. I have been able to guess a few people's connection by looking at surname lists, but mostly not, due to patronymics and overly common surnames. This morning I'm embarking on a big new area--I was able to get a FF test done for a man listed in the Todd project as having a shared ancestral couple born in the 1770s, and his results are now available to me. One of his matches also matches one of my Todd descendants (he himself does not come up as a match for anyone I've tested but the three match on the same basic segment), and his closest match lists a couple of familiar surnames with the right locations. However, it'll be a big jigsaw puzzle working with his DNA especially given that FTDNA hasn't matched him to anyone else I've tested. Just keep chipping away at it and the discoveries will come. On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: Maybe this is why I am having so much trouble with FF. I know my ancestry, but my matches don't. I sent about 60 e-mails to 2-4th cousin matches earlier this week along with a detailed chart of my mother's ancestors back to the 3rd-5th great grandparents. Of course, I have gaps as most of us do. Gaps are inevitable in Virginia's burned record counties. What is not inevitable is tracing lines in burned record counties back to the 1600s and I have quite a few of those, too. Since 2nd to 4th cousins share ancestry no further back that 3rd great grandparents, I felt sure some of these matches would recognize one or two of my lines, but alas, I was wrong. I did get many replies, but no clues. The most likely was from someone in Scotland who said his ancestors came from Galloway where my mother's 2nd great grandfather Kevan was born. Lindsey PS I tried GEDMATCH, but am a bit disappointed. I like the Are your parents related? tool, the Phasing tool which I intend to use once I get my results, and the Lazarus tool sounds interesting if I can find enough relatives on the same line to try it, which doesn't seem likely at this point, but FTDNA's match lists and ICW tool are easier to use and results for the Heritage tools at GEDMATCH are wild. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com

Family Finder does take time and work. In my own tree I have sufficiently different ethnicities that to some extent I was able to map out portions without asking for family trees; of course, having tested an increasing number of family members has been a big help. I have been able to guess a few people's connection by looking at surname lists, but mostly not, due to patronymics and overly common surnames. This morning I'm embarking on a big new area--I was able to get a FF test done for a man listed in the Todd project as having a shared ancestral couple born in the 1770s, and his results are now available to me. One of his matches also matches one of my Todd descendants (he himself does not come up as a match for anyone I've tested but the three match on the same basic segment), and his closest match lists a couple of familiar surnames with the right locations. However, it'll be a big jigsaw puzzle working with his DNA especially given that FTDNA hasn't matched him to anyone else I've tested. Just keep chipping away at it and the discoveries will come. On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Lindsey Britton via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Maybe this is why I am having so much trouble with FF. I know my > ancestry, but my matches don't. I sent about 60 e-mails to 2-4th cousin > matches earlier this week along with a detailed chart of my mother's > ancestors back to the 3rd-5th great grandparents. Of course, I have gaps > as most of us do. Gaps are inevitable in Virginia's burned record > counties. What is not inevitable is tracing lines in burned record > counties back to the 1600s and I have quite a few of those, too. Since 2nd > to 4th cousins share ancestry no further back that 3rd great grandparents, > I felt sure some of these matches would recognize one or two of my lines, > but alas, I was wrong. I did get many replies, but no clues. The most > likely was from someone in Scotland who said his ancestors came from > Galloway where my mother's 2nd great grandfather Kevan was born. > > Lindsey > > PS I tried GEDMATCH, but am a bit disappointed. I like the Are your > parents related? tool, the Phasing tool which I intend to use once I get my > results, and the Lazarus tool sounds interesting if I can find enough > relatives on the same line to try it, which doesn't seem likely at this > point, but FTDNA's match lists and ICW tool are easier to use and results > for the Heritage tools at GEDMATCH are wild. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com

Where do I write for help with an account in my Britton Project? Lindsey

Maybe this is why I am having so much trouble with FF. I know my ancestry, but my matches don't. I sent about 60 e-mails to 2-4th cousin matches earlier this week along with a detailed chart of my mother's ancestors back to the 3rd-5th great grandparents. Of course, I have gaps as most of us do. Gaps are inevitable in Virginia's burned record counties. What is not inevitable is tracing lines in burned record counties back to the 1600s and I have quite a few of those, too. Since 2nd to 4th cousins share ancestry no further back that 3rd great grandparents, I felt sure some of these matches would recognize one or two of my lines, but alas, I was wrong. I did get many replies, but no clues. The most likely was from someone in Scotland who said his ancestors came from Galloway where my mother's 2nd great grandfather Kevan was born. Lindsey PS I tried GEDMATCH, but am a bit disappointed. I like the Are your parents related? tool, the Phasing tool which I intend to use once I get my results, and the Lazarus tool sounds interesting if I can find enough relatives on the same line to try it, which doesn't seem likely at this point, but FTDNA's match lists and ICW tool are easier to use and results for the Heritage tools at GEDMATCH are wild.

Lindsey, You, as a project administrator, can always write to groups@ftdna.com for help. You can also ask for the GAP team when you call on the phone. 713-868-1438 On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Lindsey Britton via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Where do I write for help with an account in my Britton Project? > > Lindsey > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Regards, Rebekah Canada Gene by Gene -- This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

It could be that she is the natural child of one of her adopted parents. My only NPE has not been told because he appears to have disappeared or else is avoiding me.. I tested a person who we supposed was a second paternal cousin and also a cousin on my direct maternal line and also related through my paternal grandmother. Image my surprise when he matched less than a second cousin and I was expecting a first cousin of a degree. His Haplogroup was not the same as my first paternal cousin, Now I wondered who the impostor was. Fortunately a couple car load of children are credited to my paternal great grandfather. Just recently, almost two years later, the test results from a great grand son of the first marriage were posted. Bingo, he matched everyone of my first paternal cousins, as well as my sister and myself as second half cousins. Whew that part is over with and my research of over forty years is accurate. Who is he? He is definitely the descendant ( or relative ) of my great grandmother, her son, a grandson, or a nephew. Will I tell him? Yes if I find him. Marilyn <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#151f551af2ebff98_DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Stephanie Ray via < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > It may be useful and relevant to find out why she tested in the first > place... people generally know these things, even if only vaguely, and > without proof. > > Best regards, > Stephanie > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Wjhonson via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > > wrote: > > > Her kit is now up on gedmatch and she matches my first cousin for a > > whopping 770 cms with a longest 100 cm > > She matches me for 660 cms with a longest 71 cm > > > > So it's pretty clear that this woman has to be my first cousin, perhaps > > half-first cousin > > > > How do you tell someone that their parents are not their parents? That > > they were adopted, and not only that, but illegitimate, and not only > > that..... That they learned Swedish for naught (the parents they thought > > they had were Swedish immigrants), because they have no Swedish blood in > > them whatsoever.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> > > To: rpaine <rpaine@vom.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2015 1:36 pm > > Subject: Re: [DNA] My first NPE > > > > > > Well she matches me as a second cousin, but that could just be the drift > > you get across generations. > > I'm waiting on results from another kit which should be her half-sister > if > > I'm right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert Paine <rpaine@vom.com> > > To: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com>; genealogy-dna < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > > > > Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2015 1:33 pm > > Subject: Re: [DNA] My first NPE > > > > If she is indeed a 2nd cousin, you will need to look a generation further > > back, unless your uncle is only a 1/2 uncle. > > > > My full 2nd cousin at Ancestry (193 centimorgans shared across 12 DNA > > segments) > > > > RPaine > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wjhonson via > > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 7:55 AM > > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [DNA] My first NPE > > > > Very exciting. > > > > I check my matches every day. Yesterday a new match popped up as a > "second > > cousin" > > > > Her tree is online and we share *no* surnames even, back to the fourth > > generation. > > > > She matches not only me, but three of my own cousins, apparently closely > > (looking into how closely now) > > > > She is baffled of course by this. I suspect my uncle might be her > father. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Her kit is now up on gedmatch and she matches my first cousin for a whopping 770 cms with a longest 100 cm She matches me for 660 cms with a longest 71 cm So it's pretty clear that this woman has to be my first cousin, perhaps half-first cousin How do you tell someone that their parents are not their parents? That they were adopted, and not only that, but illegitimate, and not only that..... That they learned Swedish for naught (the parents they thought they had were Swedish immigrants), because they have no Swedish blood in them whatsoever.... -----Original Message----- From: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> To: rpaine <rpaine@vom.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2015 1:36 pm Subject: Re: [DNA] My first NPE Well she matches me as a second cousin, but that could just be the drift you get across generations. I'm waiting on results from another kit which should be her half-sister if I'm right. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Paine <rpaine@vom.com> To: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2015 1:33 pm Subject: Re: [DNA] My first NPE If she is indeed a 2nd cousin, you will need to look a generation further back, unless your uncle is only a 1/2 uncle. My full 2nd cousin at Ancestry (193 centimorgans shared across 12 DNA segments) RPaine -----Original Message----- From: Wjhonson via Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 7:55 AM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] My first NPE Very exciting. I check my matches every day. Yesterday a new match popped up as a "second cousin" Her tree is online and we share *no* surnames even, back to the fourth generation. She matches not only me, but three of my own cousins, apparently closely (looking into how closely now) She is baffled of course by this. I suspect my uncle might be her father. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It may be useful and relevant to find out why she tested in the first place... people generally know these things, even if only vaguely, and without proof. Best regards, Stephanie On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Wjhonson via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Her kit is now up on gedmatch and she matches my first cousin for a > whopping 770 cms with a longest 100 cm > She matches me for 660 cms with a longest 71 cm > > So it's pretty clear that this woman has to be my first cousin, perhaps > half-first cousin > > How do you tell someone that their parents are not their parents? That > they were adopted, and not only that, but illegitimate, and not only > that..... That they learned Swedish for naught (the parents they thought > they had were Swedish immigrants), because they have no Swedish blood in > them whatsoever.... > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> > To: rpaine <rpaine@vom.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2015 1:36 pm > Subject: Re: [DNA] My first NPE > > > Well she matches me as a second cousin, but that could just be the drift > you get across generations. > I'm waiting on results from another kit which should be her half-sister if > I'm right. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Paine <rpaine@vom.com> > To: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > > Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2015 1:33 pm > Subject: Re: [DNA] My first NPE > > If she is indeed a 2nd cousin, you will need to look a generation further > back, unless your uncle is only a 1/2 uncle. > > My full 2nd cousin at Ancestry (193 centimorgans shared across 12 DNA > segments) > > RPaine > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wjhonson via > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 7:55 AM > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DNA] My first NPE > > Very exciting. > > I check my matches every day. Yesterday a new match popped up as a "second > cousin" > > Her tree is online and we share *no* surnames even, back to the fourth > generation. > > She matches not only me, but three of my own cousins, apparently closely > (looking into how closely now) > > She is baffled of course by this. I suspect my uncle might be her father. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It was only added quite recently, weeks/possibly a few months - and is now included (the total shared - I can't find the number of segments) in the DNAGEDCom.com ancestry download tools available to members Be aware that we are mostly finding that it is a consistently lower figure than from other companies and Gedmatch. So you can't necessarily write off the apparently really small (5/6cM) segments. Lorna Henderson http://LornaHen.com On 30/12/15 05:28, Brooks Family via wrote: > On 12/29/15 9:21 AM, genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> Message: 8 >> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:02:55 -0500 >> From: Wjhonson<wjhonson@aol.com> >> Subject: Re: [DNA] Variation in cM match amounts >> To:jon@scruffyduck.co.uk,genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID:<151ee7a5c63-3421-d3e4@webprd-m70.mail.aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! >> >> I never KNEW you could do that! OMG WTH > ditto! has this feature always been there, if not, when was it added?? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I hope it *doesn't* change If any of my tissue is the cause of some medical advance that's enough I don't need to sign permission slips. -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth O'Donoghue/Ross via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: Genealogy-DNA <Genealogy-DNA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Dec 30, 2015 2:20 am Subject: [DNA] Your Cells. Their Research. Your Permission? - The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/30/opinion/your-cells-their-research-your-per mission.html?emc=edit_th_20151230 <http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/30/opinion/your-cells-their-research-your-pe rmission.html?emc=edit_th_20151230&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=26106573&_r=0> &nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=26106573&_r=0 ... Tissues from millions of Americans are used in research without their knowledge. These "clinical biospecimens" are leftovers from blood tests, biopsies and surgeries. If your identity is removed, scientists don't have to ask your permission to use them. How people feel about this varies depending on everything from their relationship to their DNA to how they define life and death. Many bioethicists aren't bothered by the research being done with those samples - without it we wouldn't have some of our most important medical advances. What concerns them is that people don't know they're participating, or have a choice. This may be about to change. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The way to start trying to get closer matches is to *offer to pay* your matches for them to recruit their own first cousins. That's what I did. I mean I paid for the tests for five people so far. -----Original Message----- From: Andreas West via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> To: Doris Wheeler <doriswh@gmail.com>; genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Cc: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Dec 30, 2015 2:48 am Subject: Re: [DNA] Variation in cM match amounts I just wish I had such matches to start with. My highest match (apart from my parents) is 29.2 as largest cM and 35.4 for total cM. How I wish to have a closer match but Germans/Italian are rare with DNA testing Andreas (WEST) born BASSO My ancestors: [http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family- Tree-23](http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family-Tree-23) "Doris Wheeler via" <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > My full sister has a match at Gedmatch (22.5 cM, one segment on chromo 1) > and at FTDNA (55.39 cM total, longest block 18.94) that does not show up at > all on Ancestry. The same match for me at Ancestry is 49 cMs across 3 > segments; at FTDNA it is 77.34 total, longest block 37.02; at Gedmatch it > is 64.2 total, longest block 41.8. > > Really frustrating! > > Doris Muller Wheeler > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 6:01 PM, LornaMoa via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > It was only added quite recently, weeks/possibly a few months - and is > > now included (the total shared - I can't find the number of segments) in > > the DNAGEDCom.com ancestry download tools available to members > > Be aware that we are mostly finding that it is a consistently lower > > figure than from other companies and Gedmatch. > > So you can't necessarily write off the apparently really small (5/6cM) > > segments. > > > > Lorna Henderson > > http://LornaHen.com > > > > On 30/12/15 05:28, Brooks Family via wrote: > > > On 12/29/15 9:21 AM, genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > >> Message: 8 > > >> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:02:55 -0500 > > >> From: Wjhonson<wjhonson@aol.com> > > >> Subject: Re: [DNA] Variation in cM match amounts > > >> To:jon@scruffyduck.co.uk,genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > >> Message-ID:<151ee7a5c63-3421-d3e4@webprd-m70.mail.aol.com> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > >> > > >> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! > > >> > > >> I never KNEW you could do that! OMG WTH > > > ditto! has this feature always been there, if not, when was it added?? > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just wish I had such matches to start with. My highest match (apart from my parents) is 29.2 as largest cM and 35.4 for total cM. How I wish to have a closer match but Germans/Italian are rare with DNA testing Andreas (WEST) born BASSO My ancestors: [http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family- Tree-23](http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Basso-Family-Tree-23) "Doris Wheeler via" <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > My full sister has a match at Gedmatch (22.5 cM, one segment on chromo 1) > and at FTDNA (55.39 cM total, longest block 18.94) that does not show up at > all on Ancestry. The same match for me at Ancestry is 49 cMs across 3 > segments; at FTDNA it is 77.34 total, longest block 37.02; at Gedmatch it > is 64.2 total, longest block 41.8. > > Really frustrating! > > Doris Muller Wheeler > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 6:01 PM, LornaMoa via <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > It was only added quite recently, weeks/possibly a few months - and is > > now included (the total shared - I can't find the number of segments) in > > the DNAGEDCom.com ancestry download tools available to members > > Be aware that we are mostly finding that it is a consistently lower > > figure than from other companies and Gedmatch. > > So you can't necessarily write off the apparently really small (5/6cM) > > segments. > > > > Lorna Henderson > > http://LornaHen.com > > > > On 30/12/15 05:28, Brooks Family via wrote: > > > On 12/29/15 9:21 AM, genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > >> Message: 8 > > >> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:02:55 -0500 > > >> From: Wjhonson<wjhonson@aol.com> > > >> Subject: Re: [DNA] Variation in cM match amounts > > >> To:jon@scruffyduck.co.uk,genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > >> Message-ID:<151ee7a5c63-3421-d3e4@webprd-m70.mail.aol.com> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > >> > > >> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! > > >> > > >> I never KNEW you could do that! OMG WTH > > > ditto! has this feature always been there, if not, when was it added?? > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message