Dear All, It is nice to have a new tool, but the method I have been using for the past 7 years is still working very well for me and is much more efficient in my opinion. I download all the matching HIR for my parents and me and then organize the matching HIR data into which HIRs are shared with me and which ones I don't have. This is a very quick and effective way of creating triangulated groups (at least for all HIRs over 15 cMs or so). Caution must be used for this method when evaluating shorter HIRs, particularly HIRs shorter than 10 cMs, since some of those will be false matches. I still think that we should all keep encouraging FTDNA to allow us to compare our matches directly to each other in Family Finder like we can at 23andMe and at GEDmatch. Sincerely, Tim Janzen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas West" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 7:43:53 AM Subject: Re: [DNA] Where is the 3rd side? (Was: New FTDNA Triangulation tool The new tool has some quirks though, especially visible when you have a larger group of triangulated members. It seems to copy over the combinations of matching pairs (of DNA cousins) as some of the DNA cousins have smaller matching segments (than the overall TG). It gets quite confusing and convulates the spreadsheet a lot. BTW, seems the FTDNA page can’t handle the additional traffic anymore. The site is currently not responding for me (might be better if you’re based in the US) Andreas

Not to spoil the party but how is this tool going to identify the third side of the triangle? If you (A) match B and C, how does the tool tell you where exactly (which chromosome, start and end position) B is matching C? This would be triangulation, to my knowledge and past unsuccessful tries with the FTDNA website this information isn’t revealed at all to person A (due to privacy concerns, as A could identify medical predispositions for B and/or C). If Roberta is on this list, could you explain, please? As the original post is from here. Or anyone else? Otherwise this isn’t a triangulation tool, it’s only identifying two sides of the three that a triangle needs (hence its ICW - in common with, which doesn’t mean that B and C triangulate on the same locus). Though I’d welcome it if FTDNA would finally give us access to the third missing triangle side! It’s not the tools, it’s what information is being accessible. Regards, Andreas > On 23 Oct 2017, at 16:07, Doris Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote: > > Wow! This is a wonderful addition to our bag of tools. Start with the ICW > list for one person, choose five at a time, and a few clicks later you have > all your trtiangulated matches with the starting person. See > https://dna-explained.com/2017/10/21/introducing-the-triangulator/.

List 26 new mtDNA sequences have appeared this week. The sequences all come from FTDNA customers and belong to Haplogroups: H, H1, H1f1, H3v-T16093C, H3z1, H5a1, H6a1a, H7a1b, H7b, H15a1a1, HV1a3, I1, I1a1b, J1c2, J1c2r, L0d1a1, L3d1b2, T1a1, T1a10a, T2b, U4b1a2b, U6a7a1a, W1c, W6, X2b-T226C, X2b11 As usual I have added the sequence to my 'Checker' program to ensure accuracy of transcription. Note a couple of Haplogroup labels are slightly wrong on the actual pages. And also note the sequence MG199216 is another to come from the French-Canadian extended family that has the mutation A2672G ; which means they naturally make the super-strong 'S14G' form of Humanin. Ian www.ianlogan.co.uk --------------------- MG022094 FTDNA Haplogroup L3d1b2 22-OCT-2017 A73G C150T T152C A263G 315.1C C522- A523- A750G T921C A1438G A2706G T4553C A4769G G5046A G5147A T6680C C7028T A7424G T8618C A8701G A8860G T9540C A10398G T10873C G11719A C12705T A13105G T13886C C14284T C14766T G15301A A15326G T15514C T16124C C16223T MG022095(Sweden) FTDNA Haplogroup T1a10a 22-OCT-2017 A73G C150T A214G A263G 309.1C 315.1C 573.1C 573.2C G709A A750G A1438G G1888A A2706G T4216C A4769G A4917G C7028T G8697A A8860G T10463C A11251G T11465C G11719A C12633A G13368A A13470G G13708A C14766T G14905A A15326G C15452A A15607G G15928A T16126C A16163G C16186T T16189C C16294T G16390R T16519C MG029091(Syria) FTDNA Haplogroup HV1a3 22-OCT-2017 A263G 309.1C 315.1C G513A A750G A1438G A2706G G3421A A4769G C7028T A8014T 8276.1C 8276.2C 8276.3C T8277C T8618C A8860G G13980A A15218G A15326G C16067T A16183G C16327A MG029092(Sweden) FTDNA Haplogroup H7b 22-OCT-2017 A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G A4769G A4793G C5348T A8860G A15326G T16519C MG029093 FTDNA Haplogroup T2b 22-OCT-2017 A73G A263G 309.1C 315.1C G709A A750G G930A A1438G G1888A C2426T A2706G C2772T T4216C A4769G A4917G G5147A C6506T C7028T G8697A G8857A A8860G T10463C A11251G G11719A A11812G G13368A T13386Y A14233G C14766T G14905A A15326G C15452A A15607G G15928A T16126C G16274A C16294T C16296T T16304C T16519C MG031158(English) FTDNA Haplogroup H3z1 22-OCT-2017 A263G T293C 315.1C A750G A1438G T3396C A4769G T6776C C7157T A8860G G8886A C12346T A15326G T15530C C16295T A16305T T16519C MG031162(Finland) FTDNA Haplogroup W6 22-OCT-2017 A73G A189G C194T T195C T204C G207A A263G 315.1C C552T G709A A750G T1243C A1438G A2706G A3505G A4093G A4769G G5046A G5460A C7028T G8251A T8614C A8860G G8994A C11674T G11719A A11947G T12414C C12705T C14766T A15326G G15884C C16223T C16292T T16325C T16519C MG031166(Sweden) FTDNA Haplogroup X2b-T226C 22-OCT-2017 A73G A153G T195C G225A T226C A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G C983T A1438G G1719A A2706G T2885C A4769G T6221C C6371T C7028T C8393T A8860G G11719A C12705T G13708A A13966G T14470C C14766T A15326G G15927A A16183- T16189C 16193.1C C16223T C16278T T16519C MG031170(Greek-Slavic) FTDNA Haplogroup W1c 22-OCT-2017 A73G T119C T152C A189G T195C T204C G207A A263G 315.1C G709A A750G T1243C A1438G A2706G A3505G A4769G G5046A G5460A C7028T C7864T G8251A A8860G G8994A C11674T G11719A A11947G T12414C C12705T A14148G C14766T A15326G G15884C C16193T C16223T A16399G T16519C MG031172(Sweden) FTDNA Haplogroup H7a1b 22-OCT-2017 A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G G1393A A1438G G1719A A4769G A4793G A8860G A15326G C16261T C16266T T16519C MG053504(German) FTDNA Haplogroup J1c2r 22-OCT-2017 A73G G185A A188G G228A A263G C295T 309.1C 315.1C C462T T489C A750G A1438G A2706G G3010A T4216C A4769G C7028T A8860G A10398G A11002G A11251G G11719A A12612G A13032G G13708A T14325C C14766T T14798C A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C C16186T T16519C MG182421(Ireland) FTDNA Haplogroup I1a1b 22-OCT-2017 A73G T199C G203A T204C T250C A263G 315.1C 455.1T 573.1C 573.2C A750G A1438G G1719A A2706G A3447G C3990T A4021G A4529T A4769G G6734A C7028T G8251A G8616T A8860G G9947A T10034C T10238C A10398G T10915C G11719A G12501A C12705T A13780G T14182C C14766T G15043A A15326G A15924G G16129A T16172C C16223T T16311C T16362C G16391A T16519C MG182425(Croatian) FTDNA Haplogroup H 22-OCT-2017 A263G 291.1T 291.2A 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C A750G A1438G A4769G A5501G A8860G A15326G A16183- T16189C 16193.1C C16234T T16519C MG182426(Finland) FTDNA Haplogroup J1c2 22-OCT-2017 A73G G185A A188G G228A A263G C295T 315.1C C462T T489C A750G A1438G G1503A A2706G G3010A T4216C A4769G C7028T A8860G A10398G A11251G G11719A A12612G G13708A C14766T T14798C A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C T16519C MG182427(German) FTDNA Haplogroup H15a1a1 22-OCT-2017 T55C T57C T146C T152C A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G A4769G T5442C T6253C 8289.1C 8289.2C 8289.3C 8289.4C 8289.5C 8289.6T 8289.7C 8289.8T 8289.9A A8860G C11143T T11410C A14548G C14953T A15326G T16189C C16366T MG183815 FTDNA Haplogroup T1a1 22-OCT-2017 A73G T152C T195C A263G 309.1C 315.1C G709A A750G A1438G G1888A A2706G T4216C A4769G A4917G C7028T G8697A A8860G T9899C T10463C A11251G G11719A C12633A G13368A C14766T G14905A A15326G C15452A A15607G G15928A T16126C A16163G C16186T T16189C C16294T T16519C MG191350(Spain) FTDNA Haplogroup I1 22-OCT-2017 A73G T152C T199C T204C T250C A263G 315.1C 455.1T 573.1C 573.2C 573.3C 573.4C A750G A1438G G1719A A2706G A4529T A4769G G6734A C7028T G8251A A8860G G9966A T10034C T10238C A10398G G11719A G12501A C12705T A13780G C14766T G15043A A15326G A15924G G16129A C16223T G16274A T16311C T16519C MG196316(Poland) FTDNA Haplogroup H6a1a 22-OCT-2017 T239C A263G 309.1C 315.1C C522- A523- T650C A750G A1438G G3915A A4727G A4769G A8860G G9380A T11253C A15326G T16362C MG196317(Swedish) FTDNA Haplogroup H5a1 22-OCT-2017 A263G 315.1C C456T C522- A523- A750G A1438G T4336C A4769G A8860G G11887A T12414C A15326G C15833T T16304C MG196319 FTDNA Haplogroup U4b1a2b 22-OCT-2017 A73G T195C A263G 309.1C 315.1C G499A 523.1C 523.2A A750G A1438G A1811G A2706G A3672G T4646C A4769G T5999C A6047G C7028T T7705C A8860G A10876G C11143T G11176A C11332T T11339C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A T12609C G13708A C14620T C14766T T15067C A15326G T15693C T16189C T16356C T16519C MG199216 FTDNA Haplogroup U6a7a1a 22-OCT-2017 A73G T152C A263G 315.1C A750G T794A T1193C A1438G A1692T A2672G A2706G A3348G A4769G A5120G G5471A C7028T G7805A T8473C G8723R A8860G A11467G G11719A T11929C A12308G G12372A A14179G C14766T G15043A A15326G T15530C C15632T T16172C A16219G C16278T MG201854(RSA) FTDNA Haplogroup L0d1a1 22-OCT-2017 A73G T146C T195C T199C G247A 315.1C C498- 523.1C 523.2A G719A A750G G769A T825A G1018A C1048T T1243C G2758A T2885C G3438A C3516A C3594T A3756G A4104G T4232C C4312T A4769G T5442C T5553C T6185C A6266G T6815C C7028T A7146G C7256T G7521A C8113A G8152A G8251A C8468T C8655T A8701G T8793C A8860G C9042T A9347G T9540C G9755A T9950C A10398G G10589A C10664T G10688A T10810C T10873C T10915C T11260C G11719A G11914A G12007A T12121C A12142G C12348T C12705T A12720G C12798T A13105G A13276G C13506T C13650T G13759A C14766T A15326G G15466A G15930A T15941C G16129A C16187T T16189C A16230G C16234T T16243C C16266G T16311C T16519C MG201856(Finland) FTDNA Haplogroup H1f1 22-OCT-2017 A263G 315.1C T729C A750G A1438G G3010A T4452C A4769G T7309C A8860G A9066G A15326G T16093C T16189C T16519C MG201857 FTDNA Haplogroup X2b11 22-OCT-2017 A73G A153G A189G T195C G225A T226C A263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C 523.1C 523.2A A750G A1438G G1719A A2706G A4769G T6221C C6371T C7028T C8393T A8860G C8910T G11719A C12705T G13708A A13966G T14470C C14766T A15326G G15927A A16183- T16189C 16193.1C C16223Y C16278T T16311C T16519C MG201867(Welsh) FTDNA Haplogroup H3v-T16093C 22-OCT-2017 C150T A263G 315.1C T408A A750G A1438G A4769G T6776C A8860G A15326G T16093C T16519C MG201874(Finland) FTDNA Haplogroup H1 22-OCT-2017 A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G G3010A A4769G A8860G T14180C A15326G C16147T T16519C

Ann, thank you for the clarification. That's great! K. On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Ann Turner <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, it is true triangulation. The tool is able to fetch data that is not > visible on our own account. When I logged in to my account, the "All > Segments CSV" download displayed all matching segments between a cousin and > my sister. When I logged into my sister's account, the exact same segments > were displayed, including the small ones. > > Ann Turner > > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 2:34 AM, Andreas West <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Not to spoil the party but how is this tool going to identify the third > > side of the triangle? > > > > If you (A) match B and C, how does the tool tell you where exactly (which > > chromosome, start and end position) B is matching C? > > > > This would be triangulation, to my knowledge and past unsuccessful tries > > with the FTDNA website this information isn’t revealed at all to person A > > (due to privacy concerns, as A could identify medical predispositions > for B > > and/or C). > > > > If Roberta is on this list, could you explain, please? As the original > > post is from here. > > > > Or anyone else? > > > > Otherwise this isn’t a triangulation tool, it’s only identifying two > sides > > of the three that a triangle needs (hence its ICW - in common with, which > > doesn’t mean that B and C triangulate on the same locus). > > > > Though I’d welcome it if FTDNA would finally give us access to the third > > missing triangle side! It’s not the tools, it’s what information is being > > accessible. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Andreas > > > > > On 23 Oct 2017, at 16:07, Doris Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Wow! This is a wonderful addition to our bag of tools. Start with the > ICW > > > list for one person, choose five at a time, and a few clicks later you > > have > > > all your trtiangulated matches with the starting person. See > > > https://dna-explained.com/2017/10/21/introducing-the-triangulator/. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Andreas, from what I understand, and Roberta implicitly mentions, this is not a true triangulation and is only deemed very probable for 15+cM segments and probable for 12-15cM segments. I also do not understand the halo... Kind regards, Kuba On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Andreas West <[email protected]> wrote: > Not to spoil the party but how is this tool going to identify the third > side of the triangle? > > If you (A) match B and C, how does the tool tell you where exactly (which > chromosome, start and end position) B is matching C? > > This would be triangulation, to my knowledge and past unsuccessful tries > with the FTDNA website this information isn’t revealed at all to person A > (due to privacy concerns, as A could identify medical predispositions for B > and/or C). > > If Roberta is on this list, could you explain, please? As the original > post is from here. > > Or anyone else? > > Otherwise this isn’t a triangulation tool, it’s only identifying two sides > of the three that a triangle needs (hence its ICW - in common with, which > doesn’t mean that B and C triangulate on the same locus). > > Though I’d welcome it if FTDNA would finally give us access to the third > missing triangle side! It’s not the tools, it’s what information is being > accessible. > > > Regards, > > Andreas > > > On 23 Oct 2017, at 16:07, Doris Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Wow! This is a wonderful addition to our bag of tools. Start with the ICW > > list for one person, choose five at a time, and a few clicks later you > have > > all your trtiangulated matches with the starting person. See > > https://dna-explained.com/2017/10/21/introducing-the-triangulator/. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wow. It is also possible to select more than 5 matches at a time. Karen On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Doris Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote: > Wow! This is a wonderful addition to our bag of tools. Start with the ICW > list for one person, choose five at a time, and a few clicks later you have > all your trtiangulated matches with the starting person. See > https://dna-explained.com/2017/10/21/introducing-the-triangulator/. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Wow. Thank you for posting. I have just try ICW and selected the first 5 matches. The triangulation also includes the person I am searching ICW to the five matches and me[ since I am using my kit] that is a total of seven people. Thanks Doris for posting and to Roberta for the explanation and of course to Goran for creating this user friendly much needed tool. Karen On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Doris Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote: > Wow! This is a wonderful addition to our bag of tools. Start with the ICW > list for one person, choose five at a time, and a few clicks later you have > all your trtiangulated matches with the starting person. See > https://dna-explained.com/2017/10/21/introducing-the-triangulator/. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

With that said, http://rules.cityofnewyork.us does appear to be a valid domain name. On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 6:36 AM, Doris Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote: > I hope all genealogists will support the effort to fight the new rules > being proposed by New York City to suppress birth and death records for an > unconscionable time. > > Today is the deadline! > > Please add your comments. There were only 69 comments recorded on the NYC > site when I submitted mine just now. Reclaim the Records has now joined > this effort: > http://mailchi.mp/reclaimtherecords/bfvk8vew84-1591025?e=870dddccca. > > Doris > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm sorry, but I do not trust links from unsolicited email. I just clicked on a link in a text message claiming to be from PETA, and it wiped out my phone. Now it will not start up. Stephanie On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 6:36 AM, Doris Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote: > I hope all genealogists will support the effort to fight the new rules > being proposed by New York City to suppress birth and death records for an > unconscionable time. > > Today is the deadline! > > Please add your comments. There were only 69 comments recorded on the NYC > site when I submitted mine just now. Reclaim the Records has now joined > this effort: > http://mailchi.mp/reclaimtherecords/bfvk8vew84-1591025?e=870dddccca. > > Doris > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I hope all genealogists will support the effort to fight the new rules being proposed by New York City to suppress birth and death records for an unconscionable time. Today is the deadline! Please add your comments. There were only 69 comments recorded on the NYC site when I submitted mine just now. Reclaim the Records has now joined this effort: http://mailchi.mp/reclaimtherecords/bfvk8vew84-1591025?e=870dddccca. Doris

As I have pointed out several times, if you take two of your Matches with overlapping shared segments, AND one Match is in the ICW of the other, this is equivalent to Triangulation over 95% of the time. I don’t know how much over 95% as I found one or two that met that criteria but didn’t pass Triangulation when other data (usually GEDmatch) was found. Multiple shared segments are sometimes tricky. However, with single segments over a higher threshold, it would work virtually all of the time. The principle here is that every shared segment has to be IBD or not-IBD. Those that are IBD must be on your maternal chromosome or the paternal chromosome. With a threshold over say 10cM, coupled with being on multiple ICW lists, virtually all shared segments will be IBD. The ICW lists will then group them correctly, virtually always. This is a grouping exercise. I’ve tried this new tool on various parts of my spreadsheet, and it appears to work. In my sample, I found one segment below 10cM that I had Triangulated, which wasn’t included in the TG - primarily because such a small segment only overlaps enough with maybe one or two others. The process is however tedious, owing largely to the slow/clunky nature of FTDNA’s search function. If your Match is John Jones, with 3 spaces between the names, it may take a while to find him... Now, if we could just turn it on at night and wake up with all TGs formed.... Jim Bartlett - atDNA blog: www.segmentology.org > On Oct 24, 2017, at 5:34 AM, Andreas West <[email protected]> wrote: > > Not to spoil the party but how is this tool going to identify the third side of the triangle? > > If you (A) match B and C, how does the tool tell you where exactly (which chromosome, start and end position) B is matching C? > > This would be triangulation, to my knowledge and past unsuccessful tries with the FTDNA website this information isn’t revealed at all to person A (due to privacy concerns, as A could identify medical predispositions for B and/or C). > > If Roberta is on this list, could you explain, please? As the original post is from here. > > Or anyone else? > > Otherwise this isn’t a triangulation tool, it’s only identifying two sides of the three that a triangle needs (hence its ICW - in common with, which doesn’t mean that B and C triangulate on the same locus). > > Though I’d welcome it if FTDNA would finally give us access to the third missing triangle side! It’s not the tools, it’s what information is being accessible. > > > Regards, > > Andreas > >> On 23 Oct 2017, at 16:07, Doris Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Wow! This is a wonderful addition to our bag of tools. Start with the ICW >> list for one person, choose five at a time, and a few clicks later you have >> all your trtiangulated matches with the starting person. See >> https://dna-explained.com/2017/10/21/introducing-the-triangulator/. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The test we want to see from the new tool is not the confirmation of a known triangulation group. Rather, we want to see what happens when the two sides who appear to share a segment actually don’t match each other, because one is a paternal cousin and the other a maternal cousin. If the new tool can correctly determine that those two sides do not match each other, then the tool does in fact have access to the missing third side. John McCoy ([email protected]) Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 24, 2017, at 6:32 AM, Andreas West <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > Working on that now that someone has found what we were not able to find despite a lot of time spend on FTDNA ;-) > > This was the missing piece that hold us back from pushing FTDNA forward (as before we were dependant on our shared matches to give us this crucial information). And yes, tried it out myself and can confirm what Jim posted that it reflects TG’s that I had already from other services. Expect more news on our Facebook page. > > Andreas > > Andreas West > Meine Vorfahren / my ancestors (8 generations): http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5 <http://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Basso-23/5> > Author of https://www.dnagenealogy.tools <https://www.dnagenealogy.tools/> > > Follow us on Facebook for latest updates on our progress - https://www.facebook.com/dnagenealogy.tools/ <https://www.facebook.com/dnagenealogy.tools/> > >> On Oct24, 2017, at 21:25, Jim Bartlett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Now, if we could just turn it on at night and wake up with all TGs formed.... >> >> Jim Bartlett - atDNA blog: www.segmentology.org > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, it is true triangulation. The tool is able to fetch data that is not visible on our own account. When I logged in to my account, the "All Segments CSV" download displayed all matching segments between a cousin and my sister. When I logged into my sister's account, the exact same segments were displayed, including the small ones. Ann Turner On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 2:34 AM, Andreas West <[email protected]> wrote: > Not to spoil the party but how is this tool going to identify the third > side of the triangle? > > If you (A) match B and C, how does the tool tell you where exactly (which > chromosome, start and end position) B is matching C? > > This would be triangulation, to my knowledge and past unsuccessful tries > with the FTDNA website this information isn’t revealed at all to person A > (due to privacy concerns, as A could identify medical predispositions for B > and/or C). > > If Roberta is on this list, could you explain, please? As the original > post is from here. > > Or anyone else? > > Otherwise this isn’t a triangulation tool, it’s only identifying two sides > of the three that a triangle needs (hence its ICW - in common with, which > doesn’t mean that B and C triangulate on the same locus). > > Though I’d welcome it if FTDNA would finally give us access to the third > missing triangle side! It’s not the tools, it’s what information is being > accessible. > > > Regards, > > Andreas > > > On 23 Oct 2017, at 16:07, Doris Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Wow! This is a wonderful addition to our bag of tools. Start with the ICW > > list for one person, choose five at a time, and a few clicks later you > have > > all your trtiangulated matches with the starting person. See > > https://dna-explained.com/2017/10/21/introducing-the-triangulator/. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Really?! That's amazing. Can't wait to try it. On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Karen Hodges <[email protected]> wrote: > Wow. It is also possible to select more than 5 matches at a time. > Karen > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Doris Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Wow! This is a wonderful addition to our bag of tools. Start with the ICW > > list for one person, choose five at a time, and a few clicks later you > have > > all your trtiangulated matches with the starting person. See > > https://dna-explained.com/2017/10/21/introducing-the-triangulator/. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Weekends are always light on for results, but on the plus side, the Y-STR Matches glitch appears to have been fixed. Belinda > Yesterday my project got zero additional results. Today, one. At this rate I calculate it will be done in August. Doug McDonald -----Original Message----- FTDNA is revising and recalculating BigY results, a process estimated to take a week or more. If you look at the match's BigY and it says "Awaiting Results" then just hang in there. Ann Turner ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John Note that two Matches in an ICW list, like Cheryl in your ICW list with Reg, will often share a Common Ancestor not in your Tree at all. Even though they are both cousins to you (if the shared segments are IBD), they often relate to each other some other way. Jim Bartlett - atDNA blog: www.segmentology.org > On Oct 22, 2017, at 7:17 PM, John Fletcher <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sorry Ann! Should have been more precise. I took a match, Reg, from my > match list and clicked icw. I got one result, Cheryl, also a match to me > but NOT a match to Reg, even down to 1cM. > I always thought the icw matches would match both me and the selected > person(Reg in this case), though as you say not necessarily on the same > segment. > All Reg and Cheryl had in common, apart from being known cousins(but not > dna matches) was their descent from the same surname/location as listed in > family finder. > John >

Wow! This is a wonderful addition to our bag of tools. Start with the ICW list for one person, choose five at a time, and a few clicks later you have all your trtiangulated matches with the starting person. See https://dna-explained.com/2017/10/21/introducing-the-triangulator/.

Thank you Arthur. Got it now!

If they are ICW, Cheryl and Reg would match each other, but you don't see it unless you can sign into either of their kits. They likely don't triangulate with you so using the Chr browser you would not see any overlap for them where they each match you. That is, you and Reg may match on chr3, you and Cheryl may match on chr 18 and Reg and Cheryl may match on chr 10. Arthur On 10/22/2017 7:17 PM, John Fletcher wrote: > Sorry Ann! Should have been more precise. I took a match, Reg, from my > match list and clicked icw. I got one result, Cheryl, also a match to me > but NOT a match to Reg, even down to 1cM. > I always thought the icw matches would match both me and the selected > person(Reg in this case), though as you say not necessarily on the same > segment. > All Reg and Cheryl had in common, apart from being known cousins(but not > dna matches) was their descent from the same surname/location as listed in > family finder. > John -- Arthur Owen, Ottawa, ON Researching the Bostrom, Oulton, Owen, Strang and Welsh families Visit my Genealogical Website at http://ourmaritimeties.com

Sorry Ann! Should have been more precise. I took a match, Reg, from my match list and clicked icw. I got one result, Cheryl, also a match to me but NOT a match to Reg, even down to 1cM. I always thought the icw matches would match both me and the selected person(Reg in this case), though as you say not necessarily on the same segment. All Reg and Cheryl had in common, apart from being known cousins(but not dna matches) was their descent from the same surname/location as listed in family finder. John