I apologize for failing to mention the Chrome extension requirement. Doris On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 6:56 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Nope, just says: > chromosome browser, ICW, Not ICW Reset Filter 1-30 from N matches > Marilyn wrote what I can do to change FTDNA's presentation. But you need > greasemonkey which I can't download. But from what I've seen of the > Genetic genealogist's referral to it, it still doesn't check to see how > corroborated the matches are. IOW FTDNA's ridiculous inclusion of short > segments means most matches don't really corroborate. > Doris wrote > > From: Doris Wheeler <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DNA] Triangulator Tool? was Re: Family Finder's > tremendous inadequacies WAS:Re: Question about 23 and me test > Message-ID: > <[email protected] > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Look at Family Finder Matches, then under DNAgen Tools, on same line with > chromosome browers, ICW, etc. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hello, You don't have to have Greasemonkey in order to run the Triangulator for FireFox. There is also a Bookmark option. Go to this page, and scroll down to "Bookmarklet" for the instructions. https://dnagen.net/triangulator/ Once logged into FTDNA, go to 'Matches,' and then call up the 'Bookmarklet.' - Dave Hamm RE: On 11/3/2017 7:16 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 18:56:52 -0400 > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DNA] Triangulator Tool? was Re: Family Finder's > tremendous inadequacies WAS:Re: Question about 23 and me test > > > Nope, just says: > chromosome browser, ICW, Not ICW Reset Filter 1-30 from N matches > Marilyn wrote what I can do to change FTDNA's presentation. But you need greasemonkey which I can't download. But from what I've seen of the Genetic genealogist's referral to it, it still doesn't check to see how corroborated the matches are. IOW FTDNA's ridiculous inclusion of short segments means most matches don't really corroborate. > Doris wrote > > From: Doris Wheeler <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DNA] Triangulator Tool? was Re: Family Finder's > tremendous inadequacies WAS:Re: Question about 23 and me test > > > Look at Family Finder Matches, then under DNAgen Tools, on same line with > chromosome browers, ICW, etc. >
The DNAgen tool is a Chrome Add On - it adds the Triangulator utility to your Family Finder page. Jim Bartlett - atDNA blog: www.segmentology.org > On Nov 3, 2017, at 6:56 PM, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Nope, just says: > chromosome browser, ICW, Not ICW Reset Filter 1-30 from N matches > Marilyn wrote what I can do to change FTDNA's presentation. But you need greasemonkey which I can't download. But from what I've seen of the Genetic genealogist's referral to it, it still doesn't check to see how corroborated the matches are. IOW FTDNA's ridiculous inclusion of short segments means most matches don't really corroborate. > Doris wrote > > From: Doris Wheeler <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DNA] Triangulator Tool? was Re: Family Finder's > tremendous inadequacies WAS:Re: Question about 23 and me test > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Look at Family Finder Matches, then under DNAgen Tools, on same line with > chromosome browers, ICW, etc. > >
Nope, just says: chromosome browser, ICW, Not ICW Reset Filter 1-30 from N matches Marilyn wrote what I can do to change FTDNA's presentation. But you need greasemonkey which I can't download. But from what I've seen of the Genetic genealogist's referral to it, it still doesn't check to see how corroborated the matches are. IOW FTDNA's ridiculous inclusion of short segments means most matches don't really corroborate. Doris wrote From: Doris Wheeler <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DNA] Triangulator Tool? was Re: Family Finder's tremendous inadequacies WAS:Re: Question about 23 and me test Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Look at Family Finder Matches, then under DNAgen Tools, on same line with chromosome browers, ICW, etc.
John, I now have over 4,100 Matches at FTDNA - each with at least one segment over 7.9cM and an email. My objective is chromosome mapping to 1) validate 40 years of genealogy research; 2) determine any NPEs; and 3) figure out which ancestors to blame for each of my genes (it's just a little humor now, but someday, for me and my family, it might be very important). Any - for my objectives, there is no other testing company that comes close to what I want. I've been a subscriber to Ancestry since way before atDNA, and I still use it every day for research. But for segments - FTDNA is the place to be - IMO. It took some work, but every one of my FTDNA segments (over 7cM) is now in a maternal or paternal Triangulated Group (or culled out as IBC) Jim Bartlett [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: jlerch1 <[email protected]> To: genealogy-dna <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Nov 3, 2017 11:17 am Subject: [DNA] Family Finder's tremendous inadequacies WAS:Re: Question about 23 and me test The only way Family Finder is easier is that all of what are YESes and NOs on 23's "You have {N} Relatives in common with..." are lumped together; and you can't tell which are analogous to 23's YESes or 23's NOs without 1 by one going through the chromosome browser. And even then you can't corroborate them because of FTDNA's algorithm which gives too much weight to short segments. FTDNA's ONLY virtues are 1) storage for 25 years 2) ability to have explicit yDNA and mtDNA tests. Their operating system for the matches is so inadequate I seldom go there. John L L Britton wrote Subject: Re: [DNA] Question about 23 and me test Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thank you, Ann and Lorna. I'll probably wait to see what Family Tree does before I make a decision. As I recall, FTDNA's sale usually starts the Monday before Thanksgiving. Except for Mt-DNA information which might prove useful, Family Finder comparisons would be easier.
This is a browser add in tool that you have to download https://dna-explained.com/2017/10/21/introducing-the-triangulator/ -----Original Message----- From: Joan Lince <[email protected]> To: genealogy-dna <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Nov 3, 2017 2:59 pm Subject: Re: [DNA] Triangulator Tool? was Re: Family Finder's tremendous inadequacies WAS:Re: Question about 23 and me test Doris, do you have access to a different version of FTDNA than some of us do? I don't have any DNA gen Tools on the same line with chromosome browsers, ICW, etc. Joan Lince -----Original Message----- From: GENEALOGY-DNA [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Doris Wheeler Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 12:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DNA] Triangulator Tool? was Re: Family Finder's tremendous inadequacies WAS:Re: Question about 23 and me test Look at Family Finder Matches, then under DNAgen Tools, on same line with chromosome browers, ICW, etc. On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 11:55 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Okay, I give up. I looked again--and I still can't find anything > labeled Triangulator tool--just the same old inadequate data apps > they've always had. > > Doris W wrote > ]Subject: Re: [DNA] Family Finder's tremendous inadequacies WAS:Re: > Question about 23 and me test > Message-ID: > <[email protected] > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > John, > I couldn't disagree more! I have far more useful matches at FTDNA than > on 23andMe and at least as many as on Ancestry. FTDNA's tree phasing > feature is outstanding, Their new Triangulator tool is great > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Doris, do you have access to a different version of FTDNA than some of us do? I don't have any DNA gen Tools on the same line with chromosome browsers, ICW, etc. Joan Lince -----Original Message----- From: GENEALOGY-DNA [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Doris Wheeler Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 12:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DNA] Triangulator Tool? was Re: Family Finder's tremendous inadequacies WAS:Re: Question about 23 and me test Look at Family Finder Matches, then under DNAgen Tools, on same line with chromosome browers, ICW, etc. On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 11:55 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Okay, I give up. I looked again--and I still can't find anything > labeled Triangulator tool--just the same old inadequate data apps > they've always had. > > Doris W wrote > ]Subject: Re: [DNA] Family Finder's tremendous inadequacies WAS:Re: > Question about 23 and me test > Message-ID: > <[email protected] > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > John, > I couldn't disagree more! I have far more useful matches at FTDNA than > on 23andMe and at least as many as on Ancestry. FTDNA's tree phasing > feature is outstanding, Their new Triangulator tool is great > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
It's currently disabled to evaluate privacy risks. Ann Turner On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Jim Bartlett <[email protected]> wrote: > The DNAgen tool is a Chrome Add On - it adds the Triangulator utility to > your Family Finder page. > > Jim Bartlett - atDNA blog: www.segmentology.org > > > On Nov 3, 2017, at 6:56 PM, <[email protected]> < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope, just says: > > chromosome browser, ICW, Not ICW Reset Filter 1-30 from N matches > > Marilyn wrote what I can do to change FTDNA's presentation. But you > need greasemonkey which I can't download. But from what I've seen of the > Genetic genealogist's referral to it, it still doesn't check to see how > corroborated the matches are. IOW FTDNA's ridiculous inclusion of short > segments means most matches don't really corroborate. > > Doris wrote > > > > From: Doris Wheeler <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [DNA] Triangulator Tool? was Re: Family Finder's > > tremendous inadequacies WAS:Re: Question about 23 and me test > > Message-ID: > > <[email protected] > mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > Look at Family Finder Matches, then under DNAgen Tools, on same line with > > chromosome browers, ICW, etc. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Lindsey The price of the Ancestry.com test is not that great and you can decide later if you wish to maintain a subscription. I have tested with each of the companies and do not consider the tests to be a waste of money but I do use 23andme more than I use the other companies. RPaine -----Original Message----- From: Lindsey Britton Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 12:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DNA] Question about 23 and me test Thank you, Ann and Lorna. I'll probably wait to see what Family Tree does before I make a decision. As I recall, FTDNA's sale usually starts the Monday before Thanksgiving. Except for Mt-DNA information which might prove useful, Family Finder comparisons would be easier. Whatever I do, I think I'll be very lucky if I can identify two third great-grandparents using autosomal DNA. What about Ancestry as another possibility? Is it true that Ancestry DNA results are of limited use for those who don't subscribe? I have no reason to subscribe when almost every record I would ever need is already within easy reach. Lindsey ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Look at Family Finder Matches, then under DNAgen Tools, on same line with chromosome browers, ICW, etc. On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 11:55 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Okay, I give up. I looked again--and I still can't find anything labeled > Triangulator tool--just the same old inadequate data apps they've always > had. > > Doris W wrote > ]Subject: Re: [DNA] Family Finder's tremendous inadequacies WAS:Re: > Question about 23 and me test > Message-ID: > <[email protected] > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > John, > I couldn't disagree more! I have far more useful matches at FTDNA than on > 23andMe and at least as many as on Ancestry. FTDNA's tree phasing feature > is outstanding, Their new Triangulator tool is great > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Okay, I give up. I looked again--and I still can't find anything labeled Triangulator tool--just the same old inadequate data apps they've always had. Doris W wrote ]Subject: Re: [DNA] Family Finder's tremendous inadequacies WAS:Re: Question about 23 and me test Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" John, I couldn't disagree more! I have far more useful matches at FTDNA than on 23andMe and at least as many as on Ancestry. FTDNA's tree phasing feature is outstanding, Their new Triangulator tool is great
John, I couldn't disagree more! I have far more useful matches at FTDNA than on 23andMe and at least as many as on Ancestry. FTDNA's tree phasing feature is outstanding, Their new Triangulator tool is great, and I love having emails. FTDNA's focus on genealogy without greed and the disdain for customers shown by 23andMe and Ancestry is much appreciated. How about the "new chip" adopted by the latter two that has 20% compatibility with early testers? Doris Wheeler On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 11:17 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > The only way Family Finder is easier is that all of what are YESes and NOs > on 23's "You have {N} Relatives in common with..." are lumped together; and > you can't tell which are analogous to 23's YESes or 23's NOs without 1 by > one going through the chromosome browser. And even then you can't > corroborate them because of FTDNA's algorithm which gives too much weight > to short segments. > FTDNA's ONLY virtues are > 1) storage for 25 years > 2) ability to have explicit yDNA and mtDNA tests. > Their operating system for the matches is so inadequate I seldom go there. > John L > L Britton wrote > Subject: Re: [DNA] Question about 23 and me test > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > Thank you, Ann and Lorna. I'll probably wait to see what Family Tree does > before I make a decision. As I recall, FTDNA's sale usually starts the > Monday before Thanksgiving. Except for Mt-DNA information which might > prove useful, Family Finder comparisons would be easier. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
I should have said "...BUT you can't tell which is which..." I apologize for my ISP's crappy mail provider's failure to put in line returns. JAL On Fri, 03 Nov 2017 11:17:11 -0400, [email protected] wrote: The only way Family Finder is easier is that all of what are YESes and NOs on 23's "You have {N} Relatives in common with..." are lumped together; and you can't tell which are analogous to 23's YESes or 23's NOs without 1 by one going through the chromosome browser. And even then you can't corroborate them because of FTDNA's algorithm which gives too much weight to short segments. FTDNA's ONLY virtues are 1) storage for 25 years 2) ability to have explicit yDNA and mtDNA tests. Their operating system for the matches is so inadequate I seldom go there. John L L Britton wrote Subject: Re: [DNA] Question about 23 and me test Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thank you, Ann and Lorna. I'll probably wait to see what Family Tree does before I make a decision. As I recall, FTDNA's sale usually starts the Monday before Thanksgiving. Except for Mt-DNA information which might prove useful, Family Finder comparisons would be easier.
The only way Family Finder is easier is that all of what are YESes and NOs on 23's "You have {N} Relatives in common with..." are lumped together; and you can't tell which are analogous to 23's YESes or 23's NOs without 1 by one going through the chromosome browser. And even then you can't corroborate them because of FTDNA's algorithm which gives too much weight to short segments. FTDNA's ONLY virtues are 1) storage for 25 years 2) ability to have explicit yDNA and mtDNA tests. Their operating system for the matches is so inadequate I seldom go there. John L L Britton wrote Subject: Re: [DNA] Question about 23 and me test Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thank you, Ann and Lorna. I'll probably wait to see what Family Tree does before I make a decision. As I recall, FTDNA's sale usually starts the Monday before Thanksgiving. Except for Mt-DNA information which might prove useful, Family Finder comparisons would be easier.
> What about Ancestry as another possibility? Is it true that Ancestry DNA > results are of limited use for those who don't subscribe? I have no reason to > subscribe when almost every record I would ever need is already within easy > reach. I have 11 "primary" kits, each on all four of the main testing platforms (and another ~40 secondary kits). I don't regret any of the costs I've incurred. I don't think we can say, with any universality, that something "isn't worth it." Whether it's worth it depends on how much of a genealogy nut you are. I can definitely say MyHeritage is the least useful of the platforms right now, both because there aren't many other folks on it (after all, we're not really paying to have our DNA done; we're paying to find "DNA cousins," so database size matters) and because their matching algorithms seem *drastically* imperfect (finding way more matching DNA--double, sometimes triple--what the others detect). I pay for Ancestry both because that way I don't have to fool with asking folks to share their trees, and because I do use the databases quite a bit (which is even more useful now that FTM can auto-search not only Ancestry's databases but also FamilySearch's). 23andMe has become less useful now that it has no single inbox and you can't simultaneously work on different profiles in different tabs, but OTOH its "relatives in common" is dynamite. If someone seems engaged/interested/involved, AncestryDNA or 23andMe is usually the best start point (because, big databases). When I'm buying a kit for a cousin who doesn't care, I go for FTDNA because it's the one I'm most assured of keeping control over (in order to get it onto GEDmatch to be able to triangulate on). The short answer is probably "any DNA platform's fun to be on, and the more you're on, the more fun you have."
Thank you, Ann and Lorna. I'll probably wait to see what Family Tree does before I make a decision. As I recall, FTDNA's sale usually starts the Monday before Thanksgiving. Except for Mt-DNA information which might prove useful, Family Finder comparisons would be easier. Whatever I do, I think I'll be very lucky if I can identify two third great-grandparents using autosomal DNA. What about Ancestry as another possibility? Is it true that Ancestry DNA results are of limited use for those who don't subscribe? I have no reason to subscribe when almost every record I would ever need is already within easy reach. Lindsey
Lindsey, It is easy enough to load the new 23andme results but only to GEDMatch Genesis beta. If you do manage to load them to the existing GEDMatch they wont appear in the one to many reports (the last one I looked at showed up as insufficient SNPs and was subsequently deleted) but did initially show some matching segments on a one to one, but not all the segments expected. I've really only looked seriously at one kit on Genesis Beta to compare a new 23andme (3C1R) to my FTDNA and LivingDNA data there. 23andme (mine from some years ago cf a new kit) 4 segments shared (.79%) - three on chr 1, one on chr 8 My LivingDNA to new 23andme spot on match, with an additional 7.1cMs segment on chr 15 thrown in as an extra My FTDNA (presumably build 37 file, sorry, can't remember, but from 2010) against the new 23andme kit no match detected in Genesis beta Lorna Henderson http://LornaHen.com On 2/11/17 08:29, Lindsey Britton wrote: > The low sale price plus Mt-DNA information is tempting. I have two 2nd half-cousins whose results might help me identify two of our 3rd great-grandmothers because both cousins are on the X lines of the two great-grandmothers and one is on her Mt-DNA line. > > My question is: how difficult is it to upload new 23 and me results to GEDMATCH and can these results be effectively compared to my Family Finder results already at GEDMATCH? > > Lindsey > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
The v5 kits can be uploaded to GEDmatch for one-to-one comparisons, but they won't be included in the database for tools like the one-to-many matches. They can also be uploaded to the beta site http://genesis.gedmatch.com, where they are working to see if they can handle the new GSA chips that don't have much overlap with other companies. LivingDNA also uses the GSA chip. Ann Turner On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Lindsey Britton <[email protected]> wrote: > > The low sale price plus Mt-DNA information is tempting. I have two 2nd > half-cousins whose results might help me identify two of our 3rd > great-grandmothers because both cousins are on the X lines of the two > great-grandmothers and one is on her Mt-DNA line. > > My question is: how difficult is it to upload new 23 and me results to > GEDMATCH and can these results be effectively compared to my Family Finder > results already at GEDMATCH? > > Lindsey > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
The low sale price plus Mt-DNA information is tempting. I have two 2nd half-cousins whose results might help me identify two of our 3rd great-grandmothers because both cousins are on the X lines of the two great-grandmothers and one is on her Mt-DNA line. My question is: how difficult is it to upload new 23 and me results to GEDMATCH and can these results be effectively compared to my Family Finder results already at GEDMATCH? Lindsey
Hi Ian I hope it confirms I am j1b1a1 as uploaded from FTDNA mtDNA test to your site a while ago.. I will upload it to Genesis along with my Living DNA test that is processing at the moment. Mike On 01/11/2017 13:57, Ian Logan wrote: > Mike (and others) > > One of the advantages of 23andMe testing is that you get a fairly good > identification > of your mtDNA Haplogroup - not perfect - but well worthwhile in most > cases. > > And, it is useful once you have your results is to upload the RAW DATA > file to: > www.openSNP.org > > Also uploading the file to GedMatch (using the GENIUS for V5 files) is > important. > And hopefully shortly one will be able to search by haplogroup label > (as is already available for the standard GEDMatch program). > > Ian > -----------------------