Thanks Ian, just confirming it worked very well for me. I will try the offline approach and try a few kits of interest to me. Thanks Marcus Strudwicke -----Original Message----- From: Ian Logan Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 6:11 AM To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List Subject: [DNA] A 'Painting-by-GEDmatch' program List Readers who also use GEDmatch might be interested in looking at a new program that I have placed on my website. http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/painting-by-gedmatch.htm The program uses the data from GEDmatch 'One-to-many' pages to show ethnic/cultural groupings. At present the program is at the trial stage, but I feel it does have some potential. So far, with very few GEDmatch pages examined, it is clear that persons in the Ashkenazi community form a very distinct group. If you are on GEDmatch and have interesting results, I shall be very pleased to hear from you. I would also appreciate being given further African and Asian GEDmatch numbers. Ian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello Belinda Thank you for the message. I have now made a 'version 1.003' that that gives an expanded error message when no data is found. Try: http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/painting-by-gedmatch.htm (and check you do get to see version 1.003) The program, as written so far, accepts the 2,000 lines of data found on a STANDARD One-to-Many page; it maybe that use are using Tier 1 and the page might be formatted differently. Ian -------------------------- On 08/11/2017 01:30, Belinda Dettmann wrote: > I also got ERROR: No Data Found. Tried deleting the heading and trailing > lines - same result. > Belinda > > -----Original Message----- > From: GENEALOGY-DNA [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > steven perkins > Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2017 11:32 AM > To: genealogy-dna <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DNA] A 'Painting-by-GEDmatch' program > > Ian: > > I get ERROR: No Data Found. > > How many lines can it process? > > Regards, > Steven > > > On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 4:24 PM, Belinda Dettmann < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> That is an interesting concept, Ian, but the K-type Ashkenazi group is >> probably being swamped by K1b1a1 results. Other non-Ashkenazi K-type >> tests could be wrongly interpreted. >> Belinda >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: GENEALOGY-DNA [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Ian Logan >> Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2017 6:42 AM >> To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List <[email protected]> >> Subject: [DNA] A 'Painting-by-GEDmatch' program >> >> List >> >> Readers who also use GEDmatch might be interested in looking at a new >> program that I have placed on my website. >> http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/painting-by-gedmatch.htm >> >> The program uses the data from GEDmatch 'One-to-many' pages to show >> ethnic/cultural groupings. >> >> At present the program is at the trial stage, but I feel it does have >> some potential. >> >> So far, with very few GEDmatch pages examined, it is clear that >> persons in the Ashkenazi community form a very distinct group. >> >> If you are on GEDmatch and have interesting results, I shall be very >> pleased to hear from you. >> I would also appreciate being given further African and Asian GEDmatch >> numbers. >> >> Ian
That is an interesting concept, Ian, but the K-type Ashkenazi group is probably being swamped by K1b1a1 results. Other non-Ashkenazi K-type tests could be wrongly interpreted. Belinda -----Original Message----- From: GENEALOGY-DNA [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian Logan Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2017 6:42 AM To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List <[email protected]> Subject: [DNA] A 'Painting-by-GEDmatch' program List Readers who also use GEDmatch might be interested in looking at a new program that I have placed on my website. http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/painting-by-gedmatch.htm The program uses the data from GEDmatch 'One-to-many' pages to show ethnic/cultural groupings. At present the program is at the trial stage, but I feel it does have some potential. So far, with very few GEDmatch pages examined, it is clear that persons in the Ashkenazi community form a very distinct group. If you are on GEDmatch and have interesting results, I shall be very pleased to hear from you. I would also appreciate being given further African and Asian GEDmatch numbers. Ian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I think the instructions may be confusing. I think this is what I'm seeing, although I might be wrong if I've repeated steps in a different order. I'm using Firefox. You're using the same input box for the details (i.e. the descriptive label that appears with the results, which can be anything that's short) and the data. The ACCEPT isn't really optional, and the CLEAR button also clears whatever you had copied from the GEDmatch page. So if I click ACCEPT, skip the CLEAR button, click in the box, and then paste the GEDmatch stuff, I get results when I click DISPLAY. Ann Turner On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 1:11 AM, Ian Logan <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Belinda > > Thank you for the message. > > I have now made a 'version 1.003' that that gives an expanded error message > when no data is found. Try: > > http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/painting-by-gedmatch.htm > > (and check you do get to see version 1.003) > > The program, as written so far, accepts the 2,000 lines of data > found on a STANDARD One-to-Many page; > it maybe that use are using Tier 1 and the page might be formatted > differently. > > Ian > -------------------------- > On 08/11/2017 01:30, Belinda Dettmann wrote: > >> I also got ERROR: No Data Found. Tried deleting the heading and trailing >> lines - same result. >> Belinda >> >
List Readers who also use GEDmatch might be interested in looking at a new program that I have placed on my website. http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/painting-by-gedmatch.htm The program uses the data from GEDmatch 'One-to-many' pages to show ethnic/cultural groupings. At present the program is at the trial stage, but I feel it does have some potential. So far, with very few GEDmatch pages examined, it is clear that persons in the Ashkenazi community form a very distinct group. If you are on GEDmatch and have interesting results, I shall be very pleased to hear from you. I would also appreciate being given further African and Asian GEDmatch numbers. Ian
Ian: I get ERROR: No Data Found. How many lines can it process? Regards, Steven On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 4:24 PM, Belinda Dettmann < [email protected]> wrote: > That is an interesting concept, Ian, but the K-type Ashkenazi group is > probably being swamped by K1b1a1 results. Other non-Ashkenazi K-type tests > could be wrongly interpreted. > Belinda > > -----Original Message----- > From: GENEALOGY-DNA [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of > Ian Logan > Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2017 6:42 AM > To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List <[email protected]> > Subject: [DNA] A 'Painting-by-GEDmatch' program > > List > > Readers who also use GEDmatch might be interested in looking at a new > program that I have placed on my website. > http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/painting-by-gedmatch.htm > > The program uses the data from GEDmatch 'One-to-many' pages to show > ethnic/cultural groupings. > > At present the program is at the trial stage, but I feel it does have some > potential. > > So far, with very few GEDmatch pages examined, it is clear that persons in > the Ashkenazi community form a very distinct group. > > If you are on GEDmatch and have interesting results, I shall be very > pleased > to hear from you. > I would also appreciate being given further African and Asian GEDmatch > numbers. > > Ian > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Steven C. Perkins [email protected] http://stevencperkins.com/ Indigenous Peoples' Rights http://intelligent-internet.info/law/ipr2.html Indigenous & Ethnic Minority Legal News http://iemlnews.blogspot.com/ Online Journal of Genetics and Genealogy http://jgg-online.blogspot.com/ S.C. Perkins' Genealogy Page http://stevencperkins.com/genealogy.html S.C. Perkins' Genealogy Blog http://scpgen.blogspot.com/
Portions of the Y chromosome have too many of the same repeats to be read by the current technology. Does this look like the solution? If so, about how many years until a company like FTDNA would be offering such a test for the Y chromosome? https://medicalxpress.com/news/2017-11-method-genes-dark-dna.html
Sorry, this was meant to go to the list for general info, not just to Doris... On 5/11/17 10:11, LornaMoa wrote: > Doris > Whereas I agree with the sentiment of your email and agree that FTDNA > is also my first choice, you have one inaccurate statement > >>MyHeritage doesn't provide a pedigree view.<< > > It does, but only if you are in View match and the match concerned has > linked their dna to their tree. > In fairness to this company, they also do listen, and have also > promised and were still promising recently, a chromosome browser, and > a sort by most recent - pity about the highly selective matching > process- which they are also working on. > > PS the dnaged Triangulator add on at FTDNA has been suspended. > If you select people to triangulate and run it you get this messages: > --- > The team at FTDNA has closed what was perceived by a few users to be a > potential privacy risk. Over the next few weeks the Dnagen.net team > will be working closely with FTDNA to make sure that the triangulation > data adheres to privacy standards. Meanwhile the Triangulator tool > will not work. Sorry for the inconvenience! > --- > which is a great shame. > Lorna Henderson > http://LornaHen.com > On 5/11/17 02:58, Doris Wheeler wrote: >> Andreas, >> I wonder if we would even be talking about genetic genealogy if FTDNA had >> not launched the first efforts. It is still the only company that focuses >> 100% on genealogy and responds to customer requests for improvements. >> 23andMe barely acknowledges that trees might be useful for genealogy; >> Ancestry doesn't even provide a chromosome map; MyHeritage doesn't provide >> a pedigree view. Johnny Perl's Triangulator at FTDNA handles 30 people at a >> time, and their phasing feature is a godsend for my research. I have very >> few matches with more than 30 who are ICW. >> >> FTDNA remains my top choice. >> >> Doris >> >> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 11:30 PM, Andreas West<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Doris, >>> >>> >>> How we wish it would be FTDNA’s tool but you can wait until the last day >>> on Earth that you get good user experience, speed and a Triangulation tool >>> (not ICW) on FTDNA. >>> >>> Maybe when someone else takes over the company. But I doubt. >>> >>> Andreas >>> >>>> On 3 Nov 2017, at 23:34, Doris Wheeler<[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> , Their new Triangulator tool is great, >>>> >>>> Doris Wheeler >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
A cousin of mine has a mutation called A538M on HVR2 which distinguishes her from over 160 kits with whom she has a genetic distance of 1. Is there any reason not to simply treat her as part of that group and is there anything significant about A538M? Israel Pickholtz Jerusalem allmyforeparents.blogspot.com
M is a special code for a mixture of mtDNA molecules, some with the CRS value of A and some with a C. This mixture is called heteroplasmy. It's sort of like a mutation in progress. You can include her in the group. FTDNA only reports heteroplasmy when it reaches a level of 20%. It's conceivable that other members have the same mutation at a lower level. http://www.jogg.info/pages/21/SatiableCuriosity.pdf On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 7:05 PM, [email protected] <[email protected] > wrote: > A cousin of mine has a mutation called A538M on HVR2 which distinguishes > her from over 160 kits with whom she has a genetic distance of 1. > > Is there any reason not to simply treat her as part of that group and is > there anything significant about A538M? > > Israel Pickholtz > Jerusalem > allmyforeparents.blogspot.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Thank you for the correction, Lorna. I have not yet seen that feature and didn't know about it. I see it now... under "Review Match." The View Tree option still shows the old family view. I wonder if I have my DNA linked to my tree??? I don't see how to do that? I agree. It is sad the Triangulator has been pulled. I hope it can be restored soon. On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 5:15 PM, LornaMoa <[email protected]> wrote: > Sorry, this was meant to go to the list for general info, not just to > Doris... > > On 5/11/17 10:11, LornaMoa wrote: > >> Doris >> Whereas I agree with the sentiment of your email and agree that FTDNA is >> also my first choice, you have one inaccurate statement >> >>MyHeritage doesn't provide a pedigree view.<< >> >> It does, but only if you are in View match and the match concerned has >> linked their dna to their tree. >> In fairness to this company, they also do listen, and have also promised >> and were still promising recently, a chromosome browser, and a sort by most >> recent - pity about the highly selective matching process- which they are >> also working on. >> >> PS the dnaged Triangulator add on at FTDNA has been suspended. >> If you select people to triangulate and run it you get this messages: >> --- >> The team at FTDNA has closed what was perceived by a few users to be a >> potential privacy risk. Over the next few weeks the Dnagen.net team will be >> working closely with FTDNA to make sure that the triangulation data adheres >> to privacy standards. Meanwhile the Triangulator tool will not work. Sorry >> for the inconvenience! >> --- >> which is a great shame. >> Lorna Henderson >> http://LornaHen.com >> On 5/11/17 02:58, Doris Wheeler wrote: >> >>> Andreas, >>> I wonder if we would even be talking about genetic genealogy if FTDNA had >>> not launched the first efforts. It is still the only company that focuses >>> 100% on genealogy and responds to customer requests for improvements. >>> 23andMe barely acknowledges that trees might be useful for genealogy; >>> Ancestry doesn't even provide a chromosome map; MyHeritage doesn't >>> provide >>> a pedigree view. Johnny Perl's Triangulator at FTDNA handles 30 people >>> at a >>> time, and their phasing feature is a godsend for my research. I have very >>> few matches with more than 30 who are ICW. >>> >>> FTDNA remains my top choice. >>> >>> Doris >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 11:30 PM, Andreas West<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Doris, >>>> >>>> >>>> How we wish it would be FTDNA’s tool but you can wait until the last day >>>> on Earth that you get good user experience, speed and a Triangulation >>>> tool >>>> (not ICW) on FTDNA. >>>> >>>> Maybe when someone else takes over the company. But I doubt. >>>> >>>> Andreas >>>> >>>> On 3 Nov 2017, at 23:34, Doris Wheeler<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> , Their new Triangulator tool is great, >>>>> >>>>> Doris Wheeler >>>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
I think we are critiquing Ancestry in the same way. So I don’t think it’s harsh. Their number one reason is privacy which they seemed to be extremely cautious about. Not a good ground for revealing more information. As for the rest, I’ve tried to get into contact with them to work with them. No answer to any email. On the contrary 23andMe has been not only communicating via email promptly to my request (with a little help of Twitter), but it was their CEO directly responding and I had a meeting with their Chief Data Architect. So no, I don’t think I’m too harsh here. But if you are speaking to Bennett again, please do forward my email as we are still interested to work with them. Andreas > On 4 Nov 2017, at 11:44, Jim Bartlett <[email protected]> wrote: > > Andreas - a little harsh... I've spoken with Bennett and the leadership team at FTDNA. They are interested in a Triangulation tool, and have worked on one before. As you can attest, it's not an easy thing to program, and make sure it's 100% right every time. > > > Jim Bartlett > [email protected] > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andreas West <[email protected]> > To: genealogy-dna <[email protected]> > Sent: Fri, Nov 3, 2017 11:31 pm > Subject: [DNA] FTDNA > > Hi Doris,How we wish it would be FTDNA’s tool but you can wait until the last day on Earth that you get good user experience, speed and a Triangulation tool (not ICW) on FTDNA.Maybe when someone else takes over the company. But I doubt.Andreas> On 3 Nov 2017, at 23:34, Doris Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote:> > , Their new Triangulator tool is great, > > Doris Wheeler -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Doris, How we wish it would be FTDNA’s tool but you can wait until the last day on Earth that you get good user experience, speed and a Triangulation tool (not ICW) on FTDNA. Maybe when someone else takes over the company. But I doubt. Andreas > On 3 Nov 2017, at 23:34, Doris Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote: > > , Their new Triangulator tool is great, > > Doris Wheeler
List List members might be very interested to see this new paper. The mtDNA sequences KY680794-KY681016 that accompany this paper are not as yet available on the GenBank database. 'The Paleo-Indian Entry into South America According to Mitogenomes' Brandini S, Bergamaschi P, Cerna MF, Gandini F, Bastaroli F, Bertolini E, Cereda C, Ferretti L, Gómez-Carballa A, Battaglia V, Salas A, Semino O, Achilli A, Olivieri A, Torroni A. Mol Biol Evol. 2017 Oct 31 A free download at: https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/doi/10.1093/molbev/msx267/4430355 Abstract Recent and compelling archaeological evidence attests to human presence ∼14.5 thousand years ago (Kya) at multiple sites in South America and a very early exploitation of extreme high-altitude Andean environments. Considering that, according to genetic evidence, human entry into North America from Beringia most likely occurred ∼16 Kya, these archeological findings would imply an extremely rapid spread along the double continent. To shed light on this issue from a genetic perspective, we first completely sequenced 217 novel modern mitogenomes of Native American ancestry from the northwestern area of South America (Ecuador and Peru); we then evaluated them phylogenetically together with other available mitogenomes (430 samples, both modern and ancient) from the same geographic area and, finally, with all closely related mitogenomes from the entire double continent. We detected a large number (N = 48) of novel sub-haplogroups, often branching into further sub-clades, belonging to two classes: those that arose in South America early after its peopling and those that instead originated in North or Central America and reached South America with the first settlers. Coalescence age estimates for these sub-haplogroups provide time boundaries indicating that early Paleo-Indians probably moved from North America to the area corresponding to modern Ecuador and Peru over the short time frame of ∼1.5 Ky comprised between 16.0 and 14.6 Kya.
Hi All When replying to questions about the different companies could you state which country you live - it makes a difference. The price of kits and coverage varies from country to country. Mike Fisher in the UK On 03/11/2017 19:27, Robert Paine wrote: > Lindsey > The price of the Ancestry.com test is not that great and you can > decide later if you wish to maintain a subscription. I have tested > with each of the companies and do not consider the tests to be a waste > of money but I do use 23andme more than I use the other companies. > > RPaine >
Andreas, I wonder if we would even be talking about genetic genealogy if FTDNA had not launched the first efforts. It is still the only company that focuses 100% on genealogy and responds to customer requests for improvements. 23andMe barely acknowledges that trees might be useful for genealogy; Ancestry doesn't even provide a chromosome map; MyHeritage doesn't provide a pedigree view. Johnny Perl's Triangulator at FTDNA handles 30 people at a time, and their phasing feature is a godsend for my research. I have very few matches with more than 30 who are ICW. FTDNA remains my top choice. Doris On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 11:30 PM, Andreas West <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Doris, > > > How we wish it would be FTDNA’s tool but you can wait until the last day > on Earth that you get good user experience, speed and a Triangulation tool > (not ICW) on FTDNA. > > Maybe when someone else takes over the company. But I doubt. > > Andreas > > > On 3 Nov 2017, at 23:34, Doris Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > , Their new Triangulator tool is great, > > > > Doris Wheeler > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Have others realized that Ancestry now allows you to turn on and off your DNA match listing? Here's ancestry's blog about it: https://www.ancestry.com/dna/testSettings/86CCAB21-D6B7-48B0-A4BE-07220460F9F2 And the message that I get when I click to change the listing status: ================= DNA Matches If you choose for John Doe not to see or be seen by DNA matches, some of the special features that are included with your paid subscription will not be available. You won't be able to: * Discover relatives based on DNA in common. * View DNA match details. * Determine how closely John Doe is related. * Send private messages. *Are you sure you don't want John Doe to see or be seen by DNA matches?'* *=================*
List 3 very diverse mtDNA sequences have appeared on the Genbank database. The first is a Danish haplogroup U5a2c sequence from a 10,000 year old skeleton. See: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MF992925 for more details. The second is a novel haplogroup K1b2a sequence from the Tajik. See: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MF737342 for more details. And the third, is a novel haplogroup H7e sequence from Switzerland. See: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MG004173 This sequence is supplementary to the 'Yacobi & Bedford' paper - that has been published for some time - despite what it says on the Genbank page ! See: www.jogg.info for this interesting paper (a free pdf download) As usual I have added the sequences to my 'Checker' program to ensure accuracy of transcription. (Both note the Denmark-ancient sequence not quite complete.) Ian www.ianlogan.co.uk ------------------- MF992925(Denmark-ancient) Hansen Haplogroup U5a2c 01-NOV-2017 A73G A263G C311N 315.1C A750G A1438G A2706G T3197C A4769G C7028T C7114Y A8860G G9477A G10572R C10581Y C10619T A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A T13617C C14766T A14793G C14990Y A15326G C15904Y C16192T C16256T C16270T C16332Y G16526A MF737342(China-Tajik) Chen Haplogroup K1b2a 01-NOV-2017 A73G T204C G207A A263G 315.1C C497T A750G C1050G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2220G A2706G A3480G A4769G T5196C G5460A C7028T C7229T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G A12366G T12738G G12771A C14167T T14182C C14766T T14798C A15326G C15391G A15799G T16172C T16224C C16301T T16311C T16519C MG004173(Switzerland) Yacobi Haplogroup H7e 01-NOV-2017 A263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C 523.1C 523.2A A750G A1438G A4769G A4793G A8026T A8860G C9527T A9596R G9932A T11260C C14129T A15326G T16519C
Andreas - a little harsh... I've spoken with Bennett and the leadership team at FTDNA. They are interested in a Triangulation tool, and have worked on one before. As you can attest, it's not an easy thing to program, and make sure it's 100% right every time. Jim Bartlett [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Andreas West <[email protected]> To: genealogy-dna <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Nov 3, 2017 11:31 pm Subject: [DNA] FTDNA Hi Doris,How we wish it would be FTDNA’s tool but you can wait until the last day on Earth that you get good user experience, speed and a Triangulation tool (not ICW) on FTDNA.Maybe when someone else takes over the company. But I doubt.Andreas> On 3 Nov 2017, at 23:34, Doris Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote:> > , Their new Triangulator tool is great, > > Doris Wheeler -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I don't think the Triangulator instructions will work on my old Mac--I don't believe the right click on the mouse on my computer does anything (except occasionally crashing the computer). And there's certainly no way to create a bookmark without being on the URL. Thanks to all who have tried to help. John L Besides it still doesn't answer the question of who is a YES match on the same segment. To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DNA] Triangulator Tool? Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello, You don't have to have Greasemonkey in order to run the Triangulator for FireFox. There is also a Bookmark option. Go to this page, and scroll down to "Bookmarklet" for the instructions. ? https://dnagen.net/triangulator/ Once logged into FTDNA, go to 'Matches,' and then call up the 'Bookmarklet.'