I'm glad to hear that you prefer FTDNA. The price at 23 and me was tempting but I didn't want to be restricted to one-to-one comparisons at GEDMATCH. I have two kits there now and will transfer results for my two half cousins at the first opportunity. I have eleven first cousins, but only one has expressed any interest in testing and she isn't related to the 3rd great grandmothers I am trying to find. I decided to begin with the half blood cousins because any significant blocks of DNA we share will probably have come from our common great-grandmother although I wouldn't be surprised to learn that we are related on other lines, too, but any such relationships would be considerably more distant. I'll be interested to see how much DNA the half-blood cousins share with each other since their grandparents were first cousins. Testing these cousins is an experiment for me. I'm not optimistic about finding my third great-grandmothers, but I wanted to try because the sister of one of the cousins I am testing gave me a gold locket (c late 1850s) last year which was owned by the mother of our great-grandmother and probably given to her by her husband. It contains her (Mary's) picture, her husband's picture, and the pictures of two young men who must have been their oldest sons. Lindsey Lindsay, if you are looking for related descendants from early ancestors you need as many different DNA results from relatives as you can get, particularly if you are looking for connections at the third cousin level and beyond. I personally prefer FTDNA, as it has the widest range of test types, and the invaluable ICW tool, plus the ability to download to GEDmatch to compare with people who have tested elsewhere. The older 23andMe tests would be good, but V5 recent ones are less valuable as, although they can be downloaded to Gedmatch, they can only be used in one-to-one tests there. I tested at 23andMe in the days of V2 tests, and results up to V4 are fine for modern comparisons but I wouldn't recommend new tests there. Ancestry tests are useful, particularly if you are all North American testers, and they are also downloadable to Gedmatch, and FTDNA. Whatever you do, I would suggest you download all tests you have access to, or can influence, to GEDmatch, where you can compare yourself and your relatives to everyone else in that database, plus you have control over default values, which can be very useful if you are looking for distant cousins. Belinda

Hi Tim Was there any talk of updating tools on FT DNA? For example being able to search family finder matches by location would be useful Karen On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 5:58 PM, Tim Janzen <[email protected]> wrote: > I haven't seen anyone post information on this list about the FTDNA > conference in Houston that took place this past weekend. Overall, I really > enjoyed it. It was about my 7th or so conference in a row. Debbie Kennett > has written a blog post at > https://cruwys.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/ftdnas-13th- > international-genetic.html > that includes links to some of the blogs and tweets from this conference. > Jennifer Zinck's notes are particularly comprehensive. I also took about 9 > pages of notes. > > > > One thing from the conference that I thought deserves more complete > discussion is the conversion of Family Finder from the Illumina Omni > Express > chip to the Illumina GSA chip which will reportedly be occurring in about 5 > to 6 months. I submitted this question during the Q and A session and I > was > pleased that Elliott Greenspan was willing to address it. There are > currently only 161,882 SNPs that are found in both Family Finder and the > Illumina GSA chip. This is a relatively small number of SNPs and this has > made it challenging for GEDmatch to generate matching HIR data between > Living DNA or 23andMe v5 data and Family Finder data. Eilliott said that > FTDNA had been able to get a concession from Illumina to double the number > of SNPs on the new chip that FTDNA will be using that are identical to the > SNPs found on the Omni Express chip. Presumably that will mean that the > number of SNPs that are found on the new Illumina chip and the Omni Express > chip will be in the range of 320,000 or so. That should be enough to > generate reasonable match lists even without doing any imputation for all > but HIRs in the shorter range (under 15 cMs or so). FTDNA may be able to > improve the quality of matching HIRs by doing at least some imputation. > FTDNA could also do more to generate matching segments with phased data > than > they do currently as well. So far 23andMe seems to be doing a fairly good > job with imputation so that one gets reasonably reliable matches using v5 > data from the GSA chip as compared to v2, v3, and v4 data. The conversion > to the new chip will presumably also impact the data files for people who > test at MyHeritage since FTDNA is processing all of MyHeritage's DNA tests. > I presume that FTDNA will be able to eventually accept Living DNA data and > 23andMe v5 data once FTDNA has made the conversion over to the new > customized GSA chip. I would also like to encourage everyone who has not > done testing of parent/child pairs or trios to test with Family Finder > since > that will improve FTDNA's ability to phase your data. > > > > I hope that the GSA chip is the last major SNP array that Illumina develops > that holds 700,000 or so SNPs and is used for genealogical purposes. The > comparison of data from the Omni Express chip and the GSA chip has been > difficult to do for those of us who like to compare data from all of the > companies' SNP chip results. If you want to see the comparison chart that > shows how much overlap there is between the various different SNP chips as > delivered by each company, see > https://isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_SNP_comparison_chart. > > Sincerely, > > Tim Janzen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A good explanation. Thank you On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Belinda Dettmann < [email protected]> wrote: > Lindsay, if you are looking for related descendants from early ancestors > you > need as many different DNA results from relatives as you can get, > particularly if you are looking for connections at the third cousin level > and beyond. I personally prefer FTDNA, as it has the widest range of test > types, and the invaluable ICW tool, plus the ability to download to > GEDmatch > to compare with people who have tested elsewhere. > > The older 23andMe tests would be good, but V5 recent ones are less valuable > as, although they can be downloaded to Gedmatch, they can only be used in > one-to-one tests there. I tested at 23andMe in the days of V2 tests, and > results up to V4 are fine for modern comparisons but I wouldn't recommend > new tests there. > > Ancestry tests are useful, particularly if you are all North American > testers, and they are also downloadable to Gedmatch, and FTDNA. > > Whatever you do, I would suggest you download all tests you have access to, > or can influence, to GEDmatch, where you can compare yourself and your > relatives to everyone else in that database, plus you have control over > default values, which can be very useful if you are looking for distant > cousins. > Belinda > > -----Original Message----- > From: GENEALOGY-DNA [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of > Lindsey Britton > > Last week I used two coupons to order FF for 2nd cousins of the half blood > who share a great-grandmother. Both descend from her daughter, one from > the > daughter's son, the other from the daughter's daughter. Consequently both > are on the great-grandmother's X line. > > This great-grandmother was from Prince George County and loss of records > has > prevented me from identifying her grandmothers. I'm hoping that X line > information from the two half-blood cousins plus my results (I descend from > the son of the great grandmother's son) will help me find others related on > this line. > > Later generations of these families frequently married their cousins so I > wouldn't be surprised if the parents of this great-grandmother were > related. > The grandparents of my half-blood cousins were first cousins. > > I see that FF is a Black Friday special and am considering a test for my > first cousin who descends from my father's sister and is also on this > great-grandmother's x line. > > I think buying tests for cousins in the pursuit of elusive ancestors is > pure > speculation and am not happy about doing it. How much value does the list > think the first-cousin comparison would be likely to add? > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you. I think FTDNA is probably a good choice for me since my original tests were done at FTDNA and I don't plan to repeat those tests; however, I will let my cousins know that Ancestry is a good choice, too. They've heard of Ancestry from the television ads whereas they haven't heard of Family Tree. I was tempted by the recent sale at 23 and me except that comparisons would have been harder at GEDMATCH. Besides, my best matches at Gedmatch are almost always to FTDNA customers, and all of my matches except my mother's second cousin are well below the 100cm threshold. I doubt I will ever find large matches anywhere. When I asked one of my half-blood cousins whether she would provide a sample, she said: "I don't know about that. Why do I need a DNA test? I know who I am." I think most of my friends and relatives might respond in the same way because most of them have 17th century pedigrees in eastern Virginia, many of which have been accepted by various lineage societies. Lindsey Your first cousin will certainly have some matches that you don't have. FTDNA doesn't actually use the X for calculating matches but it will display X segments if the match qualifies using autosomal DNA. AncestryDNA doesn't use the X for matching, but includes it in the raw data download, so you can upload it to GEDmatch. 23andMe uses the X data for matching, even if that is the only segment. This URL shows what you do and do not get if you don't subscribe to Ancestry: https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/AncestryDNA-with-an- Ancestry-Subscription-US-1460090085520-3160?t=1473352687861 This URL describes what can be shared with third parties. This happens only if you sign an optional consent form, and the data is anonymized and aggregated. https://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2017/05/21/setting- the-record-straight-ancestry-and-your-dna/ AncestryDNA does not supply any genealogically useful mtDNA information in its raw data download. 23andMe gives an intermediate level of haplogroup assignment, has the second largest database (over three million), and has useful tools for comparing your matches with each other. Ann Turner

Last week I used two coupons to order FF for 2nd cousins of the half blood who share a great-grandmother. Both descend from her daughter, one from the daughter's son, the other from the daughter's daughter. Consequently both are on the great-grandmother's X line. This great-grandmother was from Prince George County and loss of records has prevented me from identifying her grandmothers. I'm hoping that X line information from the two half-blood cousins plus my results (I descend from the son of the great grandmother's son) will help me find others related on this line. Later generations of these families frequently married their cousins so I wouldn't be surprised if the parents of this great-grandmother were related. The grandparents of my half-blood cousins were first cousins. I see that FF is a Black Friday special and am considering a test for my first cousin who descends from my father's sister and is also on this great-grandmother's x line. I think buying tests for cousins in the pursuit of elusive ancestors is pure speculation and am not happy about doing it. How much value does the list think the first-cousin comparison would be likely to add? Another question. Ancestry tests are on sale for Black Friday. Is it true that Ancestry sells results to medical researchers and that those who don't subscribe do not get full access to matches or cannot contact their matches? Lost Cousins is promoting Ancestry over FTDNA because of the larger database but if you don't have full access to the database unless you subscribe its size is irrelevant. Furthermore, I don't need 9000 matches many of whom know nothing about their ancestors or have Ancestry trees full of mistakes--I need only a few good matches with sound pedigrees. The main advantage I see at Ancestry is Mt-DNA information which, in this case, could be useful. Lindsey

Your first cousin will certainly have some matches that you don't have. FTDNA doesn't actually use the X for calculating matches but it will display X segments if the match qualifies using autosomal DNA. AncestryDNA doesn't use the X for matching, but includes it in the raw data download, so you can upload it to GEDmatch. 23andMe uses the X data for matching, even if that is the only segment. This URL shows what you do and do not get if you don't subscribe to Ancestry: https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/AncestryDNA-with-an- Ancestry-Subscription-US-1460090085520-3160?t=1473352687861 This URL describes what can be shared with third parties. This happens only if you sign an optional consent form, and the data is anonymized and aggregated. https://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2017/05/21/setting- the-record-straight-ancestry-and-your-dna/ AncestryDNA does not supply any genealogically useful mtDNA information in its raw data download. 23andMe gives an intermediate level of haplogroup assignment, has the second largest database (over three million), and has useful tools for comparing your matches with each other. Ann Turner On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 6:04 AM, Lindsey Britton <[email protected]> wrote: > > Last week I used two coupons to order FF for 2nd cousins of the half > blood who share a great-grandmother. Both descend from her daughter, one > from the daughter's son, the other from the daughter's daughter. > Consequently both are on the great-grandmother's X line. > > This great-grandmother was from Prince George County and loss of records > has prevented me from identifying her grandmothers. I'm hoping that X line > information from the two half-blood cousins plus my results (I descend from > the son of the great grandmother's son) will help me find others related on > this line. > > Later generations of these families frequently married their cousins so I > wouldn't be surprised if the parents of this great-grandmother were > related. The grandparents of my half-blood cousins were first cousins. > > I see that FF is a Black Friday special and am considering a test for my > first cousin who descends from my father's sister and is also on this > great-grandmother's x line. > > I think buying tests for cousins in the pursuit of elusive ancestors is > pure speculation and am not happy about doing it. How much value does the > list think the first-cousin comparison would be likely to add? > > Another question. Ancestry tests are on sale for Black Friday. Is it > true that Ancestry sells results to medical researchers and that those who > don't subscribe do not get full access to matches or cannot contact their > matches? > > Lost Cousins is promoting Ancestry over FTDNA because of the larger > database but if you don't have full access to the database unless you > subscribe its size is irrelevant. Furthermore, I don't need 9000 matches > many of whom know nothing about their ancestors or have Ancestry trees full > of mistakes--I need only a few good matches with sound pedigrees. > > The main advantage I see at Ancestry is Mt-DNA information which, in this > case, could be useful. > > Lindsey > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Unless FTDNA is seriously off track, they should show up as identical twins. People HAVE tested themselves multiple times (identical tests) with the same company, in order to test for accuracy. Doug McDonald -----Original Message----- Although you _could_ order two FF tests for the same individual with separate accounts but that would only show they will likely appear to belong to siblings or parent and child. The system does not understand two kits from the same individual.

FTDNA would list two kits from the same person as parent/child. They don't give "extra credit" for completely identical segments. Ann Turner On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 12:42 PM, McDonald, J Douglas <[email protected] > wrote: > Unless FTDNA is seriously off track, they should show up as identical > twins. > > People HAVE tested themselves multiple times (identical tests) with the > same company, > in order to test for accuracy. > > Doug McDonald > > -----Original Message----- > > > > Although you _could_ order two FF tests for the same individual with > separate accounts but that would only show they will likely appear to > belong to siblings or parent and child. The system does not understand > two kits from the same individual. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

call the company directlyallen On Saturday, November 18, 2017 11:47 PM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: Send GENEALOGY-DNA mailing list submissions to     [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit     http://lists3.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/genealogy-dna or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to     [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at     [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of GENEALOGY-DNA digest..." Today's Topics:   1. Need Help Odering from FTDNA (Lindsey Britton)   2. Re: Need Help Odering from FTDNA (Jacques P. BEAUGRAND)   3. Re: Please Ignore Need Help Ordering (Lindsey Britton)   4. Re: Need Help Odering from FTDNA (Orin Wells) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 18:21:01 -0500 From: Lindsey Britton <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [DNA] Need Help Odering from FTDNA Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I signed in as Administrator to order two FF kits to be sent to my address but found that I needed to place the orders separately  to use two coupon codes.  Now I can't empty the shopping cart and start over so I signed out and tried to order from FTDNA's Home page but the screen says that FF can't be ordered because it already exists, whatever that means.  How do I empty my shopping cart and start over?  I want both kits shipped to me and I do not want to identify the individuals who are taking the test.  I need to get these orders in before the coupons expire tomorrow night. Please advise.  Lindsey ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 18:30:01 -0500 From: "Jacques P. BEAUGRAND" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DNA] Need Help Odering from FTDNA Message-ID:     <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAA[email protected]UQAM.CA>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Create new clients. Jacques -----Original Message----- From: GENEALOGY-DNA [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lindsey Britton Sent: 18 novembre 2017 18:21 To: [email protected] Subject: [DNA] Need Help Odering from FTDNA I signed in as Administrator to order two FF kits to be sent to my address but found that I needed to place the orders separately  to use two coupon codes.  Now I can't empty the shopping cart and start over so I signed out and tried to order from FTDNA's Home page but the screen says that FF can't be ordered because it already exists, whatever that means.  How do I empty my shopping cart and start over?  I want both kits shipped to me and I do not want to identify the individuals who are taking the test.  I need to get these orders in before the coupons expire tomorrow night. Please advise.  Lindsey ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 20:21:13 -0500 From: Lindsey Britton <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DNA] Please Ignore Need Help Ordering Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I was finally able to place both orders a few minutes ago, but odd things are happening.  I received bonus coupons for each order, one of which wouldn't open and the other was for the same coupon I had just used for the second order. Lindsey -----Original Message----- From: Lindsey Britton <[email protected]> To: GENEALOGY-DNA <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Nov 18, 2017 6:21 pm Subject: Need Help Odering from FTDNA I signed in as Administrator to order two FF kits to be sent to my address but found that I needed to place the orders separately  to use two coupon codes.  Now I can't empty the shopping cart and start over so I signed out and tried to order from FTDNA's Home page but the screen says that FF can't be ordered because it already exists, whatever that means.  How do I empty my shopping cart and start over?  I want both kits shipped to me and I do not want to identify the individuals who are taking the test.  I need to get these orders in before the coupons expire tomorrow night. Please advise.  Lindsey ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 21:46:13 -0800 From: Orin Wells <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DNA] Need Help Odering from FTDNA Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed As Jacques suggests.  Even if the client is a bogus name.  FTDNA must keep kits separate for the same product.  Remember what you are doing.  You are trying to compare two separate individuals for matches either between them or against others who have been tested.  They can't be the same individual. Although you _could_ order two FF tests for the same individual with separate accounts but that would only show they will likely appear to belong to siblings or parent and child.  The system does not understand two kits from the same individual. On 11/18/2017 3:30 PM, Jacques P. BEAUGRAND wrote: > Create new clients. > Jacques > > > -----Original Message----- > From: GENEALOGY-DNA [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Lindsey Britton > Sent: 18 novembre 2017 18:21 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DNA] Need Help Odering from FTDNA > > > I signed in as Administrator to order two FF kits to be sent to my address > but found that I needed to place the orders separately  to use two coupon > codes.  Now I can't empty the shopping cart and start over so I signed out > and tried to order from FTDNA's Home page but the screen says that FF can't > be ordered because it already exists, whatever that means. > > How do I empty my shopping cart and start over?  I want both kits shipped to > me and I do not want to identify the individuals who are taking the test.  I > need to get these orders in before the coupons expire tomorrow night. > > Please advise. > > Lindsey > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >    -- Orin Wells 253-630-5296 ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the GENEALOGY-DNA list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the GENEALOGY-DNA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. ------------------------------ End of GENEALOGY-DNA Digest, Vol 12, Issue 745 **********************************************

It sounds to me like Lindsey has logged out and wants to create new accounts, but something in the browser is "stuck". I've had that happen before. If I clear my familytreedna.com cookies, the problem is resolved and I can order new kits. Google "delete specific cookies" (without the quotes) plus your browser (example delete specific cookies chrome) to learn how to delete just your FTDNA cookies while leaving the rest in place. Then go back to the website, don't log in, and order each kit individually. You do have to enter some sort of name - just use your own name or a made-up name for now and you can change it later when you know who will be using the kits. Good luck! -Paula -----Original Message----- >> From: GENEALOGY-DNA [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of >> Lindsey Britton >> Sent: 18 novembre 2017 18:21 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [DNA] Need Help Odering from FTDNA >> >> >> I signed in as Administrator to order two FF kits to be sent to my address >> but found that I needed to place the orders separately to use two coupon >> codes. Now I can't empty the shopping cart and start over so I signed out >> and tried to order from FTDNA's Home page but the screen says that FF >> can't >> be ordered because it already exists, whatever that means. >> >> How do I empty my shopping cart and start over? I want both kits shipped >> to >> me and I do not want to identify the individuals who are taking the >> test. I >> need to get these orders in before the coupons expire tomorrow night. >> >> Please advise. >> >> Lindsey >> >

As Jacques suggests. Even if the client is a bogus name. FTDNA must keep kits separate for the same product. Remember what you are doing. You are trying to compare two separate individuals for matches either between them or against others who have been tested. They can't be the same individual. Although you _could_ order two FF tests for the same individual with separate accounts but that would only show they will likely appear to belong to siblings or parent and child. The system does not understand two kits from the same individual. On 11/18/2017 3:30 PM, Jacques P. BEAUGRAND wrote: > Create new clients. > Jacques > > > -----Original Message----- > From: GENEALOGY-DNA [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Lindsey Britton > Sent: 18 novembre 2017 18:21 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DNA] Need Help Odering from FTDNA > > > I signed in as Administrator to order two FF kits to be sent to my address > but found that I needed to place the orders separately to use two coupon > codes. Now I can't empty the shopping cart and start over so I signed out > and tried to order from FTDNA's Home page but the screen says that FF can't > be ordered because it already exists, whatever that means. > > How do I empty my shopping cart and start over? I want both kits shipped to > me and I do not want to identify the individuals who are taking the test. I > need to get these orders in before the coupons expire tomorrow night. > > Please advise. > > Lindsey > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- Orin Wells 253-630-5296

I was finally able to place both orders a few minutes ago, but odd things are happening. I received bonus coupons for each order, one of which wouldn't open and the other was for the same coupon I had just used for the second order. Lindsey -----Original Message----- From: Lindsey Britton <[email protected]> To: GENEALOGY-DNA <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Nov 18, 2017 6:21 pm Subject: Need Help Odering from FTDNA I signed in as Administrator to order two FF kits to be sent to my address but found that I needed to place the orders separately to use two coupon codes. Now I can't empty the shopping cart and start over so I signed out and tried to order from FTDNA's Home page but the screen says that FF can't be ordered because it already exists, whatever that means. How do I empty my shopping cart and start over? I want both kits shipped to me and I do not want to identify the individuals who are taking the test. I need to get these orders in before the coupons expire tomorrow night. Please advise. Lindsey

Create new clients. Jacques -----Original Message----- From: GENEALOGY-DNA [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lindsey Britton Sent: 18 novembre 2017 18:21 To: [email protected] Subject: [DNA] Need Help Odering from FTDNA I signed in as Administrator to order two FF kits to be sent to my address but found that I needed to place the orders separately to use two coupon codes. Now I can't empty the shopping cart and start over so I signed out and tried to order from FTDNA's Home page but the screen says that FF can't be ordered because it already exists, whatever that means. How do I empty my shopping cart and start over? I want both kits shipped to me and I do not want to identify the individuals who are taking the test. I need to get these orders in before the coupons expire tomorrow night. Please advise. Lindsey ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I signed in as Administrator to order two FF kits to be sent to my address but found that I needed to place the orders separately to use two coupon codes. Now I can't empty the shopping cart and start over so I signed out and tried to order from FTDNA's Home page but the screen says that FF can't be ordered because it already exists, whatever that means. How do I empty my shopping cart and start over? I want both kits shipped to me and I do not want to identify the individuals who are taking the test. I need to get these orders in before the coupons expire tomorrow night. Please advise. Lindsey

I am in Philippines for the next two weeks. I forgot to bring my DNA testing kits with me from the USA. Is there any place here where I can get DNA testing kits from familytreedna or from 23andme or from ancestry dot com so I can take the DNA test samples back to USA for testing there? Sam Sloan

My goal was to test out http://www.phylogeny.fr/simple_phylogeny.cgi  where I can paste a set of sequences in the FASTA format.  I have a large FTDNA project with mtDNA results. From: Ann Turner <[email protected]> To: Peter J. Roberts <[email protected]>; DNA Genealogy Mailing List <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [DNA] Can a FTDNA project admin download a FASTA file all their project member's HVR1&2 results? Not to my knowledge. What is your goal? The FASTA file might not be what you want anyway. This is from memory, but I seem to recall someone with just HVR results downloading their FASTA file, which turned out to be padded in the coding region with CRS values. That plays havoc with assigning haplogroups. Ann Turner On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 6:25 AM, Peter J. Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: Can a Family Tree DNA Project admin dowonload a FASTA file containing the HVR1 and HVR2 differences of all their mtDNA tested project members? I wanted to ask this question on FTDNA's forum but that forum seems to be down or I can't connect with it at the moment. Thanks and sincerely, Peter ------------------------------ - To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So you wanted to create a phylogenetic tree based solely on the members of the project? I just did a spot check of several individual members of a project I administer, and they were all set to not allow FASTA downloads, even those who gave permission to display their coding region mutations to the GAP. There might be some utilities to convert the CRS differences to a FASTA file, but I'm not sure you'd end up with anything very satisfying. Ann Turner On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Peter J. Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: > My goal was to test out http://www.phylogeny.fr/simple_phylogeny.cgi > where I can paste a set of sequences in the FASTA format. I have a large > FTDNA project with mtDNA results. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Ann Turner <[email protected]> > *To:* Peter J. Roberts <[email protected]>; DNA Genealogy Mailing List < > [email protected]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 15, 2017 11:18 AM > *Subject:* Re: [DNA] Can a FTDNA project admin download a FASTA file all > their project member's HVR1&2 results? > > Not to my knowledge. What is your goal? The FASTA file might not be what > you want anyway. This is from memory, but I seem to recall someone with > just HVR results downloading their FASTA file, which turned out to be > padded in the coding region with CRS values. That plays havoc with > assigning haplogroups. > > Ann Turner > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 6:25 AM, Peter J. Roberts <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Can a Family Tree DNA Project admin dowonload a FASTA file containing the > HVR1 and HVR2 differences of all their mtDNA tested project members? > > I wanted to ask this question on FTDNA's forum but that forum seems to be > down or I can't connect with it at the moment. > > Thanks and sincerely, Peter > > ------------------------------ - > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > rootsweb.com <[email protected]> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >

Not to my knowledge. What is your goal? The FASTA file might not be what you want anyway. This is from memory, but I seem to recall someone with just HVR results downloading their FASTA file, which turned out to be padded in the coding region with CRS values. That plays havoc with assigning haplogroups. Ann Turner On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 6:25 AM, Peter J. Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: > Can a Family Tree DNA Project admin dowonload a FASTA file containing the > HVR1 and HVR2 differences of all their mtDNA tested project members? > > I wanted to ask this question on FTDNA's forum but that forum seems to be > down or I can't connect with it at the moment. > > Thanks and sincerely, Peter > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

List 12 new mtDNA sequences from FTDNA customers have appeared on the GenBank database. The sequences belong to Haplogroups: H1a4, H13a1a1, H16b, I1a1c, I1a1d, J1c-C16261T, K1b2a2, M5a'd, T1a4, T2b3-C151T, U3a1b, V As usual I have added the sequences to my 'Checker' program to ensure accuracy of transcription. Ian www.ianlogan.co.uk ---------------- MG230113 FTDNA Haplogroup U3a1b 11-NOV-2017 A73G C150T A263G 315.1C A723C A750G A1438G A1811G A2294G A2706G G3010A T4703C A4769G C6518T C7028T A8860G G9266A A10506G A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C13934T A14139G C14766T A15326G T15454C A16343G G16390A T16519C MG257946(Trinidad) FTDNA Haplogroup M5a'd 11-NOV-2017 A73G T146C A263G 315.1C T489C T593C G709A A750G A1438G G1888A A2706G T3826C C3921T A4769G C7028T A8701G A8860G A9180R T9540C A10398G C10400T T10873C G11719A T12036C C12092A C12705T T13215C G14323A C14766T T14783C G15043A G15301A A15326G C15823T G16129A A16166- C16167G A16170C T16172A A16175C C16176A A16177C T16178A C16179T A16180C C16184A T16189C C16190T 16193.1C C16223T T16519C MG257947(German) FTDNA Haplogroup H16b 11-NOV-2017 A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G A4769G A8860G C9129T T9833C C10394T A15326G T16519C MG322249(Pomeranian) FTDNA Haplogroup T2b3-C151T 11-NOV-2017 A73G T146C C151T A263G 315.1C G709A A750G G930A A1438G G1888A A2706G T4216C A4769G A4917G G5147A C7028T G8697A A8860G T10463C A10750G A11251G G11719A A11812G G13368A A14233G C14766T G14905A A15326G C15452A A15607G G15928A T16126C C16266T C16294T C16296T T16304C T16519C MG322267 FTDNA Haplogroup I1a1d 11-NOV-2017 A73G T199C G203A T204C T250C A263G 315.1C 455.1T 573.1C 573.2C A750G A1438G G1719A A1836G A2706G A3447G C3990T T4023C A4529T A4769G G6734A C7028T G8251A G8616T A8860G G9947A T10034C T10238C A10398G T10915C G11719A G12501A C12705T T13488C A13780G C14766T A14890G G15043A A15326G A15924G G16129A T16172C A16183- T16189C 16193.1C C16223T A16265C T16311C T16362C G16391A T16519C MG334263(Swedish) FTDNA Haplogroup K1b2a2 11-NOV-2017 A73G T146C T195C A263G 315.1C 523.1C 523.2A 523.3C 523.4A A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G G5913A C7028T G7521A C8709T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A T12738G G12771A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16189C T16224C T16311C T16519C MG334286(Portugal) FTDNA Haplogroup T1a4 11-NOV-2017 A73G T152C T195C A263G 309.1C 315.1C G709A A750G C957T A1438G G1888A A2706G T4216C A4769G A4917G A5030G A7001G C7028T G8697A C8844A A8860G T9899C C10355A T10463C A11251G G11719A C12633A T12903C G13368A C14766T G14905A A15326G C15452A A15607G G15777A G15928A T16126C A16163G C16186T T16189C C16294T T16519C MG373785(Bulgaria) FTDNA Haplogroup J1c-C16261T 11-NOV-2017 A73G A263G C295T 309.1C 315.1C C462T T489C A750G A1438G A2706G G3010A T4216C A4769G C7028T A8860G A10398G A11251G G11719A A12290G A12612G G13708A C14766T T14798C A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C C16261T MG386697(German) FTDNA Haplogroup I1a1c 11-NOV-2017 A73G T199C T204C T250C A263G 315.1C 455.1T 573.1C 573.2C 573.3C 573.4C A750G A1438G G1719A A2706G A3447G C3990T A4529T A4769G G4991A T6620C G6734A C7028T G8251A G8616T A8860G G9947A T10034C T10238C A10398G G10427A T10915C G11719A G12501A C12705T A13780G C14766T G15043A A15326G A15924G G16129A T16172C C16223T T16311C T16368C G16391A T16519C MG386698(Swedish) FTDNA Haplogroup V 11-NOV-2017 T72C A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G A2706G G4580A A4769G C7028T A8860G A15326G C15904T A15937G T16298C MG423619(French) FTDNA Haplogroup H13a1a1 11-NOV-2017 A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G C2259T A4745G A4769G A5616R G6480A G7337A A8860G A9007G T13326C C13680T C14872T A15326G MG423620(Bohemia) FTDNA Haplogroup H4a1 11-NOV-2017 A263G 309.1C 315.1C C522- A523- A750G A1438G C3992T A4024G A4769G T5004C A8860G G9123A C14365T A14582G T15071C A15326G T16311C

Lindsey, I think it would be a good idea. The current chip will have more genealogy SNPs that the coming one. Yours aye, Bob McLaren -----Original Message----- From: GENEALOGY-DNA [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lindsey Britton Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 11:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DNA] FTDNA Conference Would ordering FF now during the sale next month be a bad idea? Lindsey ******************************** One thing from the conference that I thought deserves more complete discussion is the conversion of Family Finder from the Illumina Omni Express chip to the Illumina GSA chip which will reportedly be occurring in about 5 to 6 months. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message