I read in the FTDNA conference report that back then the conversions were all done ... and yet still today mine is not yet done (same as Ann's husband: "awaiting lab results"). So I called and they checked, and there are some kits for which they have had problems (not sure how many) so that the results are not yet done. Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 16:28:59 -0800 From: Ann Turner <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DNA] Big- Y and Hg 38 Have all three men had their results recalculated? My husband's still says "awaiting lab results." Ann Turner

Mitochondrial DNA tests only apply to the maternal side but Ancestry does not offer that test at this time . . . only autosomal tests and that applies to both maternal and paternal sides. Males can also do a yDNA test that only applies to the paternal side. You might want to consider building a tree on Ancestry or on WikiTree. You might also want to put your DNA results in other databases: GEDmatch, FTDNA, MyHeritage - all for free. -----Original Message----- From: GENEALOGY-DNA [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kitty Cusick Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 8:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DNA] Dna Testing is it maternal or paternal Ernest I don't have a tree online.. I have it all on my computer. And backed up on 3 external hard drives. Its not in tree form but in folders by name. I just needed to know if it was from both parents. Because I was told the dna could only be done by the Maternal side of the family. I wanted to know if it was both or maternal only. I know who is who by the areas they come from Thanks for your reply. Kitty On 5 Dec. 2017 12:47 pm, "Ernest Kapphahn" <[email protected]> wrote: > Both sides. You will have to determine by using your matches' trees > and their shared matches which side the match is on (testing parents > makes it easier). Make sure you have as much as you know about your > family included in your tree. > > > On 12/4/2017 5:38 PM, Kitty Cusick wrote: > >> Hi I am kitty >> I recently had my Dna tested by Ancestry.com. >> When the testing is done who's dna is it tested from Does it come >> tgrough your Mother's side or your Fathers side of the family.. >> Or both sides.. >> I am confused with my results >> Kitty >> Tasmania >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From a genetic genealogy point of view - half sibs are the best!  They will help you sort your matches between your shared parent and the different parent. It's a bit more complex than that, and if one of your parents is living and able to give a sample, that's the easiest way to sort your results. Lots of resources online to help explain: https://isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA https://isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA#General_articles and keep asking questions here - we'll help! On 12/4/17 8:09 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Thanks everyone. > I only have half siblings.. > So as an only child of two people. > I dont have any full siblings. > I have 3 living males on my maternal side as well as 4 sisters. > On my Paternal side I have 2 brothers and 1 sister. > So maternal i have two brothers 1 sister with a different male as a father > 2 sisters also with a different father. > 3 marriages. > Paternal side i have 3 siblings with the same parents. > So it is rather hard... > Thanks again > Kitty > Tasmania

Ann, Yes, results for all three men have been recalculated as well as results for a fourth man in the group. We also have new results for three men, with two tests still pending. So far, we are the only members of A5339 whose results have been recalculated although members of the other known subgroup of A5339 are more numerous. Lindsey

Both sides.  You will have to determine by using your matches' trees and their shared matches which side the match is on (testing parents makes it easier).  Make sure you have as much as you know about your family included in your tree. On 12/4/2017 5:38 PM, Kitty Cusick wrote: > Hi I am kitty > I recently had my Dna tested by Ancestry.com. > When the testing is done who's dna is it tested from > Does it come tgrough your Mother's side or your Fathers side of the family.. > Or both sides.. > I am confused with my results > Kitty > Tasmania > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Have all three men had their results recalculated? My husband's still says "awaiting lab results." Ann Turner On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Lindsey Britton <[email protected]> wrote: > > What difference, if any, will FTDNA's shift to Hg38, make for those who > send data to YFull? > > If three men were positive for A8214 under the old format, why are only > two listed as positive under Hg38? A8214 is in a questionable region, but > with two or three positive tests is probably valid, but it isn't recognized > by HG38. > > I can't see how the new format helps me--am I alone? > > Lindsey > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Lindsay The matching criterion has been changed. See https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/y-dna-testing/big-y/big-y/ ** A person is considered a match if they have 40 or fewer differences in SNPs with you, and their haplogroup is downstream from your haplogroup or downstream from your four closest parent haplogroups.** Salutations, Jacques Beaugrand -----Original Message----- From: GENEALOGY-DNA [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lindsey Britton Sent: 4 décembre 2017 15:06 To: [email protected] Subject: [DNA] Big- Y and Hg 38 What difference, if any, will FTDNA's shift to Hg38, make for those who send data to YFull? If three men were positive for A8214 under the old format, why are only two listed as positive under Hg38? A8214 is in a questionable region, but with two or three positive tests is probably valid, but it isn't recognized by HG38. I can't see how the new format helps me--am I alone? Lindsey ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What difference, if any, will FTDNA's shift to Hg38, make for those who send data to YFull? If three men were positive for A8214 under the old format, why are only two listed as positive under Hg38? A8214 is in a questionable region, but with two or three positive tests is probably valid, but it isn't recognized by HG38. I can't see how the new format helps me--am I alone? Lindsey

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External YSTR results ARE included in our online STR results tables and matching system at the Clan Donald project. I enter them by hand. I have about 25 more STRs derived from our BAMs which are reliably derived if their is data at their location in a given BAM file AND differ in at least two people from the reference. There are over 1000 more that never vary but are reliable. I will add them to our online data if any ever show up usefully. The sad thing is that none of these have proven useful to us. They just appear in random haplogroups and have never provided useful STR-based subclades. I will add them to our online data if any ever show up usefully. Doug McDonald ________________________________________ From: GENEALOGY-DNA [[email protected]] on behalf of [email protected] [[email protected]] ...It would be nice if the external YFull STRs or external SNP results such as YSEQ panels could be entered in FTDNA, as there is no single repository that allows data from multiple YDNA providers to be compared. I would love to have all my and my matches external SNPs and STRs reported in my Haplogroup project. Marcus Strudwicke

Previously if you sent your BigY test off to YFull for analysis, they would report some 500 STR values. According to the FTDNA forum, Ftdna use standard Sanger sequencing for getting STR results. Since Big Y is a Next Generation Sequencing (NGS) test, a different technology is involved. There were apparently issues with accuracy with the bigy derived str results so they weren't reported or useable for comparisons by FTDNA even if reported by YFull from the same BAM file. Whether they are now doing Sanger testing for the 111 or just using some of the 500 NGS STR results I can only guess, but your really getting minimal new data, just that it is incorporated in their database results. It would be nice if the external YFull STRs or external SNP results such as YSEQ panels could be entered in FTDNA, as there is no single repository that allows data from multiple YDNA providers to be compared. I would love to have all my and my matches external SNPs and STRs reported in my Haplogroup project. Marcus Strudwicke -----Original Message----- From: Karen Hodges Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 7:53 AM To: Bob McLaren ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [DNA] Big Y vs Y-111 Hi Bob Is there more to read about FT DNA adding the STR markers or is it ,that these STRs were stripped out before and are being left in results now? Karen On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 5:50 AM, Bob McLaren <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes, the BigY sequences what can be sequenced on the Y-chromosome. Parts > of it cannot be sequenced. They are also now adding some STRs as part of > the sequencing, but only those that are reliable. It turns out that the > STRs in the upgrade from 67 to 111 markers can be reliably sequenced as > part of the BigY. So, when you order the BigY, you automatically get the > upgrade as part of the results. Additionally there will likely be some > more STRs added. > > Yours aye, > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Wjhonson <[email protected]> > >Sent: Nov 30, 2017 1:21 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [DNA] Big Y vs Y-111 > > > >I thought that Big Y sequence your entire Y, so there is nothing left to > sequence at all in that > > > >But FTDNA is offering Big Y alongwith Y-111 as if they are sequencing > different things. > > > >So can someone explain why I would want Y-111 and Big Y both at once? > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dr. Caleb Davis presented FTDNA's research project on the possibility of calling STRs from the BigY at the recent FTDNA conference, and Jennifer Zinck provided an excellent report on it at http://www.ancestorcentral.com/13th-international-genetic-genealogy-conference-sunday/ The URL covers the entire day. So search on "Caleb" to jump to his presentation. If you print it out, his presentation report starts in the middle of page 16. ------------------------------ From: <[email protected]> Previously if you sent your BigY test off to YFull for analysis, they would report some 500 STR values. According to the FTDNA forum, Ftdna use standard Sanger sequencing for getting STR results. Since Big Y is a Next Generation Sequencing (NGS) test, a different technology is involved. There were apparently  issues with accuracy with the bigy derived str results so they weren't reported or useable for comparisons by FTDNA even if reported by YFull from the same BAM file. Whether they are now doing Sanger testing for the 111 or just using some of the 500 NGS STR results I can only guess, but your really getting minimal new data, just that it is incorporated in their database results. It would be nice if the external YFull STRs or external SNP results such as YSEQ panels could be entered in FTDNA, as there is no single repository that allows data from multiple YDNA providers to be compared. I would love to have all my and my matches external SNPs and STRs reported in my Haplogroup project. Marcus Strudwicke -----Original Message----- From: Karen Hodges Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 7:53 AM To: Bob McLaren ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [DNA] Big Y vs Y-111 Hi Bob Is there more to read about FT DNA adding the STR markers or is it ,that these STRs were stripped out before and are being left in results now? Karen On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 5:50 AM, Bob McLaren <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes, the BigY sequences what can  be sequenced on the Y-chromosome.  Parts > of it cannot be sequenced.  They are also now adding some STRs as part of > the sequencing, but only those that are reliable.  It turns out that the > STRs in the upgrade from 67 to 111 markers can be reliably sequenced as > part of the BigY.  So, when you order the BigY, you automatically get the > upgrade as part of the results.  Additionally there will likely be some > more STRs added. > > Yours aye, > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Wjhonson <[email protected]> > >Sent: Nov 30, 2017 1:21 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [DNA]  Big Y vs Y-111 > > > >I thought that Big Y sequence your entire Y, so there is nothing left to > sequence at all in that > > > >But FTDNA is offering Big Y alongwith Y-111 as if they are sequencing > different things. > > > >So can someone explain why I would want Y-111 and Big Y both at once?

Hi Bob Is there more to read about FT DNA adding the STR markers or is it ,that these STRs were stripped out before and are being left in results now? Karen On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 5:50 AM, Bob McLaren <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes, the BigY sequences what can be sequenced on the Y-chromosome. Parts > of it cannot be sequenced. They are also now adding some STRs as part of > the sequencing, but only those that are reliable. It turns out that the > STRs in the upgrade from 67 to 111 markers can be reliably sequenced as > part of the BigY. So, when you order the BigY, you automatically get the > upgrade as part of the results. Additionally there will likely be some > more STRs added. > > Yours aye, > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Wjhonson <[email protected]> > >Sent: Nov 30, 2017 1:21 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [DNA] Big Y vs Y-111 > > > >I thought that Big Y sequence your entire Y, so there is nothing left to > sequence at all in that > > > >But FTDNA is offering Big Y alongwith Y-111 as if they are sequencing > different things. > > > >So can someone explain why I would want Y-111 and Big Y both at once? > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Any word if those of us who purchased BigY in the past will eventually receive the 67 to 111 upgrade from the Big Y results? Rebecca Christensen From: Bob McLaren <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [DNA] Big Y vs Y-111 Yes, the BigY sequences what can  be sequenced on the Y-chromosome.  Parts of it cannot be sequenced.  They are also now adding some STRs as part of the sequencing, but only those that are reliable.  It turns out that the STRs in the upgrade from 67 to 111 markers can be reliably sequenced as part of the BigY.  So, when you order the BigY, you automatically get the upgrade as part of the results.  Additionally there will likely be some more STRs added. Yours aye, Bob -----Original Message----- >From: Wjhonson <[email protected]> >Sent: Nov 30, 2017 1:21 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [DNA]  Big Y vs Y-111 > >I thought that Big Y sequence your entire Y, so there is nothing left to sequence at all in that > >But FTDNA is offering Big Y alongwith Y-111 as if they are sequencing different things. > >So can someone explain why I would want Y-111 and Big Y both at once? > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are substantial parts of the Y that can be reliably sequenced that BigY omits. Krahn did a great job of targeting, but its not perfect. Doug McDonald

​Rebecca There's probably not much incentive. As of my Big Y, spending 10% more on top of the Big Y cost for YFull workup missed only two of those markers, DYS716 and Y-GATB07, and you then have around 350 STR values to work with. Big Y data didn't give DYS385ab, DYS459ab, DYS447 or DYS464abcd?? in the first 25 markers, YCAIIab or CDYab to 37, nor DYFS1ab, DYS413ab and DYS487 to 67. If you started with 37 FTDNA markers, you didn't lose much by going Big Y, and if the multi marker STRs are critical to you, kittler testing is what you need. One normally kittler test, DYF399X, did have YFull values for me, but with the middle 2 of mine rounded up from fractional values. In R1a, that may be enough to be exclusionary. It's a less useful marker for R1b, but may still tip an economic decision whether to order that test. Further, if you are studying where a dataset fits in a spreadsheet of cousin lines, the YFull tree organisation gives the useful ability to dump a parsimony based ancestral Big Y STR list. Where there are no values, a glance down the column commonly gives a high probability regarding what should be there. kb​

Ok I guess I see that >From the marketing it made it sound like they were bundling two things But from your message it seems like the upgrade is just an automatic thing -----Original Message----- From: Bob McLaren <[email protected]> To: genealogy-dna <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Nov 30, 2017 10:50 am Subject: Re: [DNA] Big Y vs Y-111 Yes, the BigY sequences what can be sequenced on the Y-chromosome. Parts of it cannot be sequenced. They are also now adding some STRs as part of the sequencing, but only those that are reliable. It turns out that the STRs in the upgrade from 67 to 111 markers can be reliably sequenced as part of the BigY. So, when you order the BigY, you automatically get the upgrade as part of the results. Additionally there will likely be some more STRs added. Yours aye, Bob -----Original Message----- >From: Wjhonson <[email protected]> >Sent: Nov 30, 2017 1:21 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [DNA] Big Y vs Y-111 > >I thought that Big Y sequence your entire Y, so there is nothing left to sequence at all in that > >But FTDNA is offering Big Y alongwith Y-111 as if they are sequencing different things. > >So can someone explain why I would want Y-111 and Big Y both at once? > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, the BigY sequences what can be sequenced on the Y-chromosome. Parts of it cannot be sequenced. They are also now adding some STRs as part of the sequencing, but only those that are reliable. It turns out that the STRs in the upgrade from 67 to 111 markers can be reliably sequenced as part of the BigY. So, when you order the BigY, you automatically get the upgrade as part of the results. Additionally there will likely be some more STRs added. Yours aye, Bob -----Original Message----- >From: Wjhonson <[email protected]> >Sent: Nov 30, 2017 1:21 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [DNA] Big Y vs Y-111 > >I thought that Big Y sequence your entire Y, so there is nothing left to sequence at all in that > >But FTDNA is offering Big Y alongwith Y-111 as if they are sequencing different things. > >So can someone explain why I would want Y-111 and Big Y both at once? > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I thought that Big Y sequence your entire Y, so there is nothing left to sequence at all in that But FTDNA is offering Big Y alongwith Y-111 as if they are sequencing different things. So can someone explain why I would want Y-111 and Big Y both at once?

As usual excellent answer, Tim. Good question as well, it's not well explained by 23andMe but a very powerful tool and information that no other DNA testing service provides. Andreas > On 27 Nov 2017, at 09:47, Tim Janzen <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Eric, > The answer to your first question is "yes". > The reason that 23andMe includes the people in the "no" category is that > this information can be helpful if you are trying to organize clusters of > related people. Let's say that you are one of 4 people who have tested at > 23andMe and that these 4 people are all 4th cousins to each other on > different lines of descent from a shared ancestral couple. Let's call these > 3 cousins of yours A, B, and C to keep them straight. Let's say that you > share the same segment of DNA with A and B and thus the 3 of you form a > triangulated group. Let's say that C shares a different segment of DNA with > you than the one you share with A and B and that C also shares a DNA segment > with both A and B. It is helpful for you to know if A and/or B share DNA > with C. In such situations 23andMe will enter a "no" in the Shared DNA > column under C's name on the rows for A and B when you pull up C on your > match list in DNA Relatives. > > A secondary question has to do with the probability that a small percentage > in the column under C's name is genealogically significant when A and B > share an HIR with C. There are several possibilities here: > 1. The HIR that C shares with A or B is a false match. > 2. The HIR that C shares with A or B represents a true shared segment (IBD) > passed down through the same ancestral line that you share in common with A, > B, and C. > 3. The HIR that C shares with A or B represents a true shared segment (IBD) > passed down through a different ancestral line than the one you know you > share in common with A, B, and C. > > It is up to you to sort out which of the above the possibilities is the > correct one. Chromosome mapping and using phased data can help you sort > these issues out. I have often wondered what the probability is that > cousins such as A, B, and C will have either option #1 above occur or option > #3 occur. The probability of option #3 will of course depend to a > significant extent on the degree of endogamy among A, B, and C. The higher > the degree of endogamy, the higher the probability of option #3 occurring. > The probability of option #1 is probably reasonably high if the shared > percentage is 10% or less. So there is definitely some degree of "chaff" in > the "no" column. It is up to you to sort the wheat from the chaff. > > I would like it if 23andMe would allow us to sort the Shared DNA column and > the column next to it, but they haven't created that option yet. > Sincerely, > Tim Janzen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: GENEALOGY-DNA [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Eric S Johnson > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DNA] 23andMe TGs > > So I can't help but wonder whether I'm missing something: 23andMe's "new > experience" provides, at the bottom of a match page's left-hand pane, > "relatives in common." As I understand it, anyone for whom "yes" is marked > is part of a "triangulated group" consisting of "me," my 23andMe "DNA > cousin," and all the other "yes"-marked folks in this RiC list. Correct? > > So, why does this list include anyone marked as "no"? Aren't those "no"s > just chaff? In which case, why's 23andMe include them (thus forcing us to > click through page after page of RiCs in order to find the few "yes"s)? > > Best, > > Eric > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message