Dear Doug, I haven't done this work with long read sequence data yet, but the logistics are very similar to doing it with 23andMe version 2 data which is how I started back in 2010. At that time I used my parents' data and my data and wrote a phasing program in Excel to phase the data. I then had 4 long columns in Excel. One column was the allele values my father passed on to me, one column was the allele values my father possessed but didn't pass on to me, one column was the allele values my mother passed on to me, and one column was the allele values my mother possessed did not pass on to me. This was (and still is) about 550,000 rows of data in Excel. I then assigned sections of each chromosome to my parents' parents, grandparents, and great grandparents as I got new matching segment data from first, 2nd, and 3rd cousins. I continue that process today. In your case, you have phased data, but you don't know which parent you got it from yet. I suggest you take a similar approach to what I did. Have two columns of data for each chromosome and then begin the process of assigning regions of the chromosome to your parents as you get matching segment data in from your relatives. You need to make sure that you try to find all of the crossovers in your genome. There will probably be about 40 to 60 of these in your entire genome. When you find a crossover, you need to switch which parent you assign the column to. I am inserting two rows from my parents' chromosome map to give you an idea how I structured it: rs3813199 1 1148140 G G G G PJ1863 NJ inf PP1847 MF and NC inf CLY1876 inf from LY to LaA comparison PEM1865 EH and DM inf rs3766186 1 1152298 C C C C PJ1863 NJ inf PP1847 MF and NC inf CLY1876 inf from LY to LaA comparison PEM1865 EH and DM inf You will want to do something similar to this except that you will have more rows if you use all of the sequence data. You will only have two columns of allele values. You will switch which parent you received the allele values from at each crossover location. Crossover locations can be difficult to pinpoint with precision if you don't have long read full sequence data for all of your relatives. Sincerely, Tim Janzen -----Original Message----- From: McDonald, J Douglas [mailto:jdmcdona@illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 8:13 AM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Re: Phasing from multiple sources I now have collected all the data in a gigantic spreadsheet .... I have my own data phased into the Full Genomes LR blocks, but these are still arbitrary as to father/mother. I have columns with the unphased allele pairs for 5 of my close paternal aunts and cousins. I'm still trying to get the raw data of one of them. I have columns indicating half-identical regions from FTDNA for three of those people, and equivalents by done by myself for three more paternal cousins who tested at Ancestry.com. These blocks cover 77.5% of my genome. When I get the next paternal one it will be 80%. I have found folks from my maternal side covering over half of the rest, but am having no luck getting them to send me the raw data. Having these would get it over 94% of the genome covered commercially. Now the big problem: the logic and computer programming to USE all this data!!!!!!!!!!! Has anybody yet done it? (Using the Full Genomes long read data). If so ... what did you do? Remember ... I have no parent data. Doug McDonald

I now have collected all the data in a gigantic spreadsheet .... I have my own data phased into the Full Genomes LR blocks, but these are still arbitrary as to father/mother. I have columns with the unphased allele pairs for 5 of my close paternal aunts and cousins. I'm still trying to get the raw data of one of them. I have columns indicating half-identical regions from FTDNA for three of those people, and equivalents by done by myself for three more paternal cousins who tested at Ancestry.com. These blocks cover 77.5% of my genome. When I get the next paternal one it will be 80%. I have found folks from my maternal side covering over half of the rest, but am having no luck getting them to send me the raw data. Having these would get it over 94% of the genome covered commercially. Now the big problem: the logic and computer programming to USE all this data!!!!!!!!!!! Has anybody yet done it? (Using the Full Genomes long read data). If so ... what did you do? Remember ... I have no parent data. Doug McDonald On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 6:04 PM McDonald, J Douglas <jdmcdona@illinois.edu> wrote: > I'm going to get a complete phase job on myself, for purposes of upload to > all the > > places that can use it. I don;t have files for either parent. What I do > have is > > > 1) a comple genome from the Full Genomes Long Read product. This is phased > into blocks covering > > well over 99% of the genome. I.E. its physical phasing. However, we have > no idea which block goes with which parent. > > > 2) I have data on one aunt, three first cousins, one first cousin once > removed, and one second cousin once removed, all on my father's side. > Together these generate triangulated blocks covering 90% of the > > genome. These are done by various companies. > > > The question is .. need I reinvent the wheel? Or has someone done this and > provided intsructions, or even software? > > > Doug McDonald >

List And the 2nd. page. Ian www.ianlogan.co.uk --------------------------- MK049279 FTDNA Haplogroup H3a1a 31-OCT-2018 T152C G228A A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G A4065G A4769G T6776C A8170G A8860G T13404C C14125T A15326G C16239G T16519C MK052991 FTDNA Haplogroup U5b2a2b1 31-OCT-2018 A73G C150T A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G C1721T A2706G A2757G T3197C C3212T A4732G A4769G C4843T C7028T A7768G A8860G G9477A A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A T13617C A13637G T14182C C14766T A14899R T14956C A15326G T16189C C16192T C16365Y G16398A MK052992(Poland) FTDNA Haplogroup U4b1b1 31-OCT-2018 A73G T146C T152C T195C A263G 309.1C 315.1C G499A 523.1C 523.2A 523.3C 523.4A A750G A1438G A1811G A2706G T4646Y A4769G T5999C A6047G C7028T T7705C A8860G C11332T T11339C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A A13528G C13565T C14620T A14750G C14766T A15326G T15693C G16129A A16183- T16189C 16193.1C T16519C MK052993 FTDNA Haplogroup I1b 31-OCT-2018 A73G T152C T199C T204C T250C A263G 309.1C 315.1C 455.1T 573.1C 573.2C 573.3C 573.4C A750G A1438G G1719A A2706G A4529T A4769G A4790G A5009G T6227C G6734A C7028T A7073G A7424R G8251A A8860G G9966A T10034C T10238C A10398G G11719A C12104A G12501A C12705T A13780G C14766T G15043A A15326G A15924G G16129A C16223T T16311C T16368C G16391A T16519C MK059750(Sicily) FTDNA Haplogroup T2 31-OCT-2018 A73G A263G 309.1C 315.1C G709A A750G A1438G G1888A A2706G T4216C A4769G A4917G C7028T G8697A A8860G A9254G T10463C A11251G G11719A A11812G G13368A A14233G C14766T G14905A A15326G C15452A A15607G G15928A T16126C C16294T C16296T T16519C MK077805 FTDNA Haplogroup J1c2 31-OCT-2018 A73G G185A A188G G228A A234G A263G C295T 309.1C 315.1C C462T T489C A750G A1438G A2706G G3010A T4216C A4769G C7028T A8860G A10398G A11251G G11719A A12612G G13708A C14766T T14798C A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C C16261T MK077806(English) FTDNA Haplogroup W5a2 31-OCT-2018 A73G C150T T195C T204C A263G 315.1C G709A A750G T1243C A1438G A2706G A3505G A4769G G5046A G5460A C6528T C7028T G8251A A8860G G8994A A10097G C11674T G11719A A11947G T12414C C12705T C14766T A15326G A15775G G15884C C16223T C16292T T16362C T16519C MK077807 (England) FTDNA Haplogroup J1b1a1-T146C 31-OCT-2018 A73G T146C C242T A263G C295T 315.1C C462T T489C A750G A1438G T2158C A2706G G3010A T4216C A4769G G5460A C7028T G8269A G8557A A8860G A10398G A11251G G11719A G12007A A12612G G13708A T13879C C14766T A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C G16145A T16172C C16222T C16261T MK078635(Scotland) FTDNA Haplogroup K1a4a1 31-OCT-2018 A73G T146C A263G 309.1C 315.1C C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G A4769G G6260A C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G T11485C G11719A C11840T A12308G G12372A T13740C C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T15404C T16093Y T16224C T16311C T16519C MK080157(Finland) FTDNA Haplogroup D5a3a1a 31-OCT-2018 A73G C150T A263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C T489C A750G C752T T1107C A1438G A2706G A3702G A4769G C4883T C5178A A5301G C7028T A8701G G8838A A8860G A9180G T9540C A10397G A10398G C10400T T10873C G11719A T11944C A12026G C12705T G13759A C14766T T14783C G15043A G15301A A15326G T16126C T16136C A16182- A16183- T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C C16223T C16360T T16362C MK088054(France) FTDNA Haplogroup I3a 31-OCT-2018 A73G T152C T199C T204C G207A T239C T250C A263G 315.1C 573.1C 573.2C 573.3C 573.4C A750G A1438G G1719A A2706G A4529T A4769G C7028T G8251A A8860G T10034C T10238C A10398G C10894T G11719A G12501A C12705T C12708T A13780G C14766T A14836G G15043A A15326G A15924G T16086C G16129A C16223T G16391A T16519C MK096453(Scotland) FTDNA Haplogroup H4a1a1a1a1 31-OCT-2018 A73G A263G 315.1C C522- A523- A750G A1438G A1656G C3992T A4024G A4769G T5004C G5460A G8269A A8860G G9123A T10007C T10034C A10044G G11440A C14365T A14582G A15326G MK098302 FTDNA Haplogroup H1az 31-OCT-2018 A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G G3010A A4769G G7444A A8308G A8860G A15326G C16214T T16519C

List 27 new mtDNA sequences from FTDNA customers have appeared on the GenBank database. The sequences belong to a wide range of Haplogroups: A2, B2i2b, D5a3a1a, H1az, H3a1a, H4a1a1a1a1, HV9, I1a1a1, I1b, I3a I5c, I6, J1b1a1-T146C, J1c1a, J1c2, K1a4a1, L3a2a, T2, T2b-T152C, U4b1b1, U4b1b2, U5b2a2b, U5b2a2b1, V1a1b, V10a, W5a2 X2c1 As usual I have added the sequences to my 'Checker' program to ensure accuracy of transcription. Ian www.ianlogan.co.uk --------------------------- MK036912(Croatia) FTDNA Haplogroup I6 31-OCT-2018 A73G T199C T204C T250C A263G 315.1C 573.1C 573.2C 573.3C 573.4C T729C A750G A1438G G1719A A2706G T3645C A4529T A4769G C4892T C7028T A7804G G8251A A8860G T10034C T10238C A10398G G11719A G12501A C12705T A13780G C13943T C14766T G15043A A15326G A15924G G16129A C16223T G16391A T16519C MK036913(Spain) FTDNA Haplogroup V10a 31-OCT-2018 T72C A263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C A750G A1438G A2706G C3310T G4580A A4769G G6570T C7028T A8860G A9368G G11914A A15326G C15904T G15928A C16261T T16298C T16311C T16519C MK037384 FTDNA Haplogroup X2c1 31-OCT-2018 A73G A153G T195C G225A A227G A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G G1719A A2706G A4769G T6221C C6371T C7028T C8455T T8705C A8860G A11026G G11719A G11887A C12705T T13437C A13966G T14470C C14766T A15326G A16183- T16189C 16193.1C C16223T G16255A C16278T T16519C MK040466 FTDNA Haplogroup U4b1b2 31-OCT-2018 A73G T152C T195C C198T A263G 309.1C 315.1C G499A 523.1C 523.2A 523.3C 523.4A A750G A1438G A1811G A2706G T4646C A4769G T5999C A6047G C7028T T7705C A8860G C11332T T11339C A11467G G11719A C11788T A12308G G12372A A13528G C14620T C14766T T15514C T15693C T16140C G16274A T16356C T16519C MK040467(Finland) FTDNA Haplogroup I1a1a1 31-OCT-2018 A73G T199C G203A T204C T250C A263G 315.1C 455.1T 573.1C 573.2C 573.3C 573.4C A750G A1438G G1719A A2706G A3447G C3990T A4529T A4769G G6734A C7028T G7332R G8251A G8616T A8860G G9053A G9947A T10034C T10238C A10398G T10915C G11719A G12501A C12705T A13780G C14766T G15043A A15326G C15547T A15924G G16129A T16172C C16223T T16311C G16391A T16519C MK040558 FTDNA Haplogroup A2 31-OCT-2018 C64T A73G T146C A153G A235G A263G 309.1C 315.1C C522- A523- A663G A750G A1438G A1736G A2706G G3849A T4232C T4248C A4769G A4824G C7028T G8027A C8794T A8860G C9344T A10700G G11719A G12007A C12705T C14766T A15326G G15346A C16111T A16177G C16223T C16290T G16319A T16362C A16482G T16519C MK040559 FTDNA Haplogroup V1a1b 31-OCT-2018 A263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C A750G A1438G A2706G T4101C G4580A T4639C A4769G C5263T C7028T 8289.1C 8289.2C 8289.3C 8289.4C 8289.5C 8289.6T 8289.7C 8289.8T 8289.9A A8860G A8869G A12490G C13831T A15326G C15904T T16298C MK040560(Finland) FTDNA Haplogroup HV9 31-OCT-2018 A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G A2706G A4769G C7028T A8860G G8994A A15326G T16311C MK040987(Poland) FTDNA Haplogroup U5b2a2b 31-OCT-2018 A73G C150T A263G 315.1C G709A A750G A1438G C1721T A2706G A2757G T3197C C3212T A4732G A4769G C7028T A7768G A8860G G9026R G9477A A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A T12738C T13617C A13637G T14182C C14766T T14956C A15326G T16189C C16192T C16270T G16398A MK041084(Chile) FTDNA Haplogroup B2i2b 31-OCT-2018 A73G T195C T204C G207A A263G 309.1C 315.1C A470G G499A A750G A827G A1438G A2706G A3547G A4769G G4820A T4977C A6272G C6473T C7028T C8281- C8282- C8283- C8284- C8285- T8286- C8287- T8288- A8289- A8860G T9950C C11177T G11611A G11719A G13590A C14766T G15077A A15326G C15535T C15778T A16183- T16189C 16193.1C T16217C T16519C MK043347 FTDNA Haplogroup J1c1a 31-OCT-2018 A73G G228A A263G C295T 315.1C C462T T482C T489C A750G A1438G A2706G G3010A T3394C T4216C A4769G A5843R C7028T A8860G A9635C A10398G A11251G C11623T G11719A A12612G G13708A T13899C C14766T T14798C A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C MK049276(Somali) FTDNA Haplogroup L3a2a 31-OCT-2018 A73G T152C A263G 315.1C C522- A523- C573T G709A A750G A1438G C1812T A2706G C3996T A4769G C7028T A7364G A8701G A8860G A9254G C9458T T9540C A10398G T10873C G11719A C12705T C12816T A13887G C14766T G15301A A15326G A15442G A16254G C16256T A16316G T16519C MK049277 FTDNA Haplogroup I5c 31-OCT-2018 A73G T199C T204C T250C A263G 309.1C 315.1C 523.1C 523.2A 573.1C 573.2C A750G A1438G G1719A A2044G A2706G A4529T A4769G G5471A C7028T G8251A G8269A A8860G T10034C T10238C A10398G G11719A G11914A G12501A C12705T A13780G A14233G C14766T G15043A G15119A A15326G A15924G G16129A C16169T C16223T G16391A T16519C MK049278(English) FTDNA Haplogroup T2b-T152C 31-OCT-2018 A73G T152C A263G 309.1C 315.1C G709A A750G G930A A1438G G1888A A2706G T4216C A4769G A4917G G5147A C7028T C7816T A8084G G8697A A8860G T10463C A11251G G11719A A11812G G13368A C13977T A14233G C14766T T14798C G14905A A15326G C15452A A15607G G15928A T16126C C16294T T16304C T16519C

Many thanks to all those who have sent messages all of which have been a great help - all I need now is time Mrs Valerie B Garton Dip FHS and Assoc. Dip L & A H. Guild of One-Name Studies representative for CULLODEN & HIGGINSON Worldwide - member no: 4825 -----Original Message----- From: Betsy Shafer <betspix@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2018 4:57 AM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Re: GENEALOGY-DNA Digest, Vol 13, Issue 424 organizing the matches Valerie, you might like to check out the DNA offerings of RootsFinder.com Quite intuitive to use and I love the ability to easily get cluster charts of who all matches whom. Best to have access to the DNAGedCom for ease of downloading the files (which also helps greatly for import into GenomeMatePro) and Tier 1 of GEDMatch Lorna Henderson http://LornaHen.com <http://lornahen.com/> On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 8:52 PM <genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Send GENEALOGY-DNA mailing list submissions to > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body > subscribe to genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and > body unsubscribe to genealogy-dna-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > genealogy-dna-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of GENEALOGY-DNA digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Matches & their matces (Karla Huebner) > 2. Re: Matches & their matces (LornaMoa) > 3. Re: Matches & their matces (LornaMoa) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 22:55:33 -0400 > From: Karla Huebner <calypsospots@gmail.com> > Subject: [DNA] Re: Matches & their matces > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > < > CA+FJH4OCyJ14cCR7VvT6gE4d+3u6THJS0-hBCSohFdL1zy+zgw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Lots of people use GenomeMatePro (I do) or spreadsheets. > > Even if you're part of a less-tested population, there's lots you can > do to figure out the matching segments > > Karla Huebner > calypsospots AT gmail.com > > > On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 10:41 PM vbgarton <vbgarton2@bigpond.com> wrote: > > > I am having great trouble in finding my so called cousins so is it > > any help to put all the matches and matches of these matches into a > > program > and > > if so which program. > > > > Mrs Valerie B Garton > > Dip FHS and Assoc. Dip L & A H. > > Guild of One-Name Studies representative for CULLODEN & HIGGINSON > > Worldwide - member no: 4825 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.co > > m Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and > > Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > RootsWeb community > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 16:34:46 +1300 > From: LornaMoa <lornamoa@gmail.com> > Subject: [DNA] Re: Matches & their matces > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <167a262d-e28f-4e6d-3af1-cfb39c16c44c@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed > > Valerie, > you might like to check out the DNA offerings of RootsFinder.com Quite > intuitive to use and I love the ability to easily get cluster charts > of who all matches whom. > > Best to have access to the DNAGedCom for ease of downloading the files > (which also helps greatly for import into GenomeMatePro) and Tier 1 of > GEDMatch > > Lorna Henderson > http://LornaHen.com > > On 22/10/18 15:40, vbgarton wrote: > > I am having great trouble in finding my so called cousins so is it > > any > help to put all the matches and matches of these matches into a > program and if so which program. > > > > Mrs Valerie B Garton > > Dip FHS and Assoc. Dip L & A H. > > Guild of One-Name Studies representative for CULLODEN & HIGGINSON > Worldwide - member no: 4825 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > RootsWeb > community > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 16:52:41 +1300 > From: LornaMoa <lornamoa@gmail.com> > Subject: [DNA] Re: Matches & their matces > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <01925e56-4481-9b1d-2ce4-c0ffbbe02915@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed > > Valerie, > you might like to check out the DNA offerings of RootsFinder.com for > keeping track of matches and segments Quite intuitive to use and I > love the ability to easily get cluster charts of who all matches whom. > > Best to have access to the DNAGedCom for ease of downloading the files > from the testing companies (which also helps greatly for import into > GenomeMatePro) and Tier 1 of GEDMatch > > But basically I keep track of everyone who matches with their > pedigrees in my normal Genie program in a separate database from all > the proven "cousins". > > Lorna Henderson > http://LornaHen.com > > On 22/10/18 15:40, vbgarton wrote: > > I am having great trouble in finding my so called cousins so is it > > any > help to put all the matches and matches of these matches into a > program and if so which program. > > > > Mrs Valerie B Garton > > Dip FHS and Assoc. 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They claim that 50% of them are longer than 819 kilobases. Doug McDonald -----Original Message----- From: Ann Turner <dnacousins@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:53 PM To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DNA] Re: Phasing from multiple sources How long are the blocks from Full Genomes? Ann Turner On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 6:04 PM McDonald, J Douglas <jdmcdona@illinois.edu> wrote: > I'm going to get a complete phase job on myself, for purposes of upload to > all the > > places that can use it. I don;t have files for either parent. What I do > have is > > > 1) a comple genome from the Full Genomes Long Read product. This is phased > into blocks covering > > well over 99% of the genome. I.E. its physical phasing. However, we have > no idea which block goes with which parent. > > > 2) I have data on one aunt, three first cousins, one first cousin once > removed, and one second cousin once removed, all on my father's side. > Together these generate triangulated blocks covering 90% of the > > genome. These are done by various companies. > > > The question is .. need I reinvent the wheel? Or has someone done this and > provided intsructions, or even software? > > > Doug McDonald > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

How long are the blocks from Full Genomes? Ann Turner On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 6:04 PM McDonald, J Douglas <jdmcdona@illinois.edu> wrote: > I'm going to get a complete phase job on myself, for purposes of upload to > all the > > places that can use it. I don;t have files for either parent. What I do > have is > > > 1) a comple genome from the Full Genomes Long Read product. This is phased > into blocks covering > > well over 99% of the genome. I.E. its physical phasing. However, we have > no idea which block goes with which parent. > > > 2) I have data on one aunt, three first cousins, one first cousin once > removed, and one second cousin once removed, all on my father's side. > Together these generate triangulated blocks covering 90% of the > > genome. These are done by various companies. > > > The question is .. need I reinvent the wheel? Or has someone done this and > provided intsructions, or even software? > > > Doug McDonald > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Dear Doug, I have done some chromosome mapping and phasing for some clients who have your situation before except that I was using data from 23andMe and Family Finder. The Lazarus tool at GEDmatch is the closest tool that approaches what you are trying to do. However, Lazarus doesn't give you the phased data. It simply allows you to use it at GEDmatch. I did all of the work for projects like this previously in Excel. Sincerely, Tim Janzen -----Original Message----- From: McDonald, J Douglas [mailto:jdmcdona@illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 6:04 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Phasing from multiple sources I'm going to get a complete phase job on myself, for purposes of upload to all the places that can use it. I don;t have files for either parent. What I do have is 1) a comple genome from the Full Genomes Long Read product. This is phased into blocks covering well over 99% of the genome. I.E. its physical phasing. However, we have no idea which block goes with which parent. 2) I have data on one aunt, three first cousins, one first cousin once removed, and one second cousin once removed, all on my father's side. Together these generate triangulated blocks covering 90% of the genome. These are done by various companies. The question is .. need I reinvent the wheel? Or has someone done this and provided intsructions, or even software? Doug McDonald

I'm going to get a complete phase job on myself, for purposes of upload to all the places that can use it. I don;t have files for either parent. What I do have is 1) a comple genome from the Full Genomes Long Read product. This is phased into blocks covering well over 99% of the genome. I.E. its physical phasing. However, we have no idea which block goes with which parent. 2) I have data on one aunt, three first cousins, one first cousin once removed, and one second cousin once removed, all on my father's side. Together these generate triangulated blocks covering 90% of the genome. These are done by various companies. The question is .. need I reinvent the wheel? Or has someone done this and provided intsructions, or even software? Doug McDonald

OK. I have a full 3rd cousin who is a direct female to female descendant of our mutual great-great-grandmother. (I have a great-grandfather intervening.) Margaret is at FTDNA as 549739 and Gedmatch as T724743. Her mtDNA Full Sequence Haplogroup is HV-T16311C. This mutual ancestor had the name of VILLIERS. We do not know if it was her birth surname, a former married name or an alias. She married (set up house with) quite young a well-to-do Dublin Irishman whose profession took him all over that country as well as abroad to Britain and possibly further. He was a civil and maritime engineer in the mid 1800s. Therefore he could have met her anywhere, but most probably in Ireland. His family was Church of Ireland (Anglican). She bore him 9 children who were all baptised Church of Ireland with her surname Villiers. In his late 50s as his health declined, they quietly married and he asked his sons and unmarried daughters to take his surname, which they did most happily. But two of the children who died in infancy were buried in Dublin as Villiers in adjoining burials to their parents who were buried later as HALPIN (his surname). You can understand why we are so keen to uncover the mystery of this woman, and her parents. Margaret carries the mtDNA of Miss Villiers' mother, I presume. Margaret is the only direct female descendant I can find but there are other descendants with autosomal test results available, besides me. Bill Webster -----Original Message----- From: Bill Webster [mailto:wbwebster@internode.on.net] Sent: Saturday, 27 October 2018 11:00 AM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Re: What does Full Sequence from Family Tree DNA mean? Ann and Ian, yes that would be right: I'd have manually entered that information at Gedmatch. And I only have a home page badge showing "J". And so, I am wondering how I came by the fuller haplotree. When I did the test at FTDNA, might mtDNA Plus have been the highest level offered at that time? I uploaded my test back in 2010. In any event, when I now download a CSV of my HSV 1 and 2 matches, the spreadsheet shows the larger Haplogroup format for all 78 of them. I am attempting to send you each that file. Many thanks to everyone's help. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Ann Turner [mailto:dnacousins@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 26 October 2018 8:39 PM To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List Subject: [DNA] Re: What does Full Sequence from Family Tree DNA mean? Bill manually entered the haplogroup at GEDmatch. If he had the complete test at FTDNA, he should see a "badge" for J2a1a1c in the upper right-hand corner of his home page and he should see "mtFull Sequence" in his order history. He should not see an offer to upgrade. Ann Turner On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:18 AM Ian Logan via GENEALOGY-DNA < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Bill > > You have already had the FGS test at FTDNA ! > > This is a copy of your GEDmatch entry: > > T436920 J2a1a1c *Bill Webster wbwebster@internode.on.net > > 'J2a1a1c' is small 'twig' in branch J; > and FTDNA reports that it has found 22 sequences (1 of which will be > yours). > > On the GenBank database there are 3 sequences > (all from FTDNA customers prior to 2012, so again one of these might be > yours) > > Also, there are 19 (and perhaps more) people on GEDmatch who say they > are in this Haplogroup. (My list only looks at 170,000+ entries) > > The defining mutations for 'J2a1a1c' are: A8008G & G15596A. > > A8008G is found in 10 GenBank sequences (out of 45,000+) > and is a non-synonymous mutation. > > G15596A is found in 75 GenBank sequences > and is a definer in Haplogroups L0d2b1a1a & U5a1b1f > This mutation makes the changes MT-CYB V284I and is presumably > insignificant. > > The only other thing to say is that the Haplogroup appears to have been > 'Scandinavian' > for several thousands of yours; but before that I expect the Haplogroup > would have > been found southeast of there, in countries such as Armenia, Georgia, > Turkey, etc. > > Ian > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > On 26/10/2018 00:01, Bill Webster wrote: > > When I first got into DNA I ordered a sort of full suite of tests from > > FTDNA, including what is described in my account as mtDNA Plus. Maybe if > > I'd known more at the time, as a bloke I may not have ordered mtDNA at > all, > > although my mother and grandmother are dead and I have no sisters. > > But, FTDNA tell me I can upgrade to mtDNA Full Sequence. And so, I was > > attracted to this thread out of curiosity. At $159 it does not come > across > > as cheap. > > >From somewhere (can't remember - doesn't seem to show in FTDNA), my > mtDNA > > haplogroup is J2a1a1c. > > Does this tell me anything? > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

My error -- somehow I started looking at J1.. instead of J2.. Ann On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 8:29 PM Ann Turner <dnacousins@gmail.com> wrote: > I received Bill's HVR1/HVR2 match list. He has 78 total; 29 of those are > just plain J, so they have not taken the full test either. The remainder > are J1a1a1 or a subclade of that. That's pretty strong circumstantial > evidence that he would also be at least J1a1a1 if he did the full test. But > .. there is a catch. J1a doesn't show up on the most recent phylogenetic > tree at http://phylotree.org or at FTDNA's recent tree > https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mt-dna-haplotree/J;name=J1. > > Is this a recent download, Bill? > > Ann Turner > > > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 4:59 PM Bill Webster <wbwebster@internode.on.net> > wrote: > >> Ann and Ian, yes that would be right: I'd have manually entered that >> information at Gedmatch. And I only have a home page badge showing "J". >> And so, I am wondering how I came by the fuller haplotree. When I did >> the >> test at FTDNA, might mtDNA Plus have been the highest level offered at >> that >> time? I uploaded my test back in 2010. >> In any event, when I now download a CSV of my HSV 1 and 2 matches, the >> spreadsheet shows the larger Haplogroup format for all 78 of them. I am >> attempting to send you each that file. >> Many thanks to everyone's help. >> Bill >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ann Turner [mailto:dnacousins@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, 26 October 2018 8:39 PM >> To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List >> Subject: [DNA] Re: What does Full Sequence from Family Tree DNA mean? >> >> Bill manually entered the haplogroup at GEDmatch. If he had the complete >> test at FTDNA, he should see a "badge" for J2a1a1c in the upper >> right-hand >> corner of his home page and he should see "mtFull Sequence" in his order >> history. He should not see an offer to upgrade. >> >> Ann Turner >> >> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:18 AM Ian Logan via GENEALOGY-DNA < >> genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> > Bill >> > >> > You have already had the FGS test at FTDNA ! >> > >> > This is a copy of your GEDmatch entry: >> > >> > T436920 J2a1a1c *Bill Webster wbwebster@internode.on.net >> > >> > 'J2a1a1c' is small 'twig' in branch J; >> > and FTDNA reports that it has found 22 sequences (1 of which will be >> > yours). >> > >> > On the GenBank database there are 3 sequences >> > (all from FTDNA customers prior to 2012, so again one of these might be >> > yours) >> > >> > Also, there are 19 (and perhaps more) people on GEDmatch who say they >> > are in this Haplogroup. (My list only looks at 170,000+ entries) >> > >> > The defining mutations for 'J2a1a1c' are: A8008G & G15596A. >> > >> > A8008G is found in 10 GenBank sequences (out of 45,000+) >> > and is a non-synonymous mutation. >> > >> > G15596A is found in 75 GenBank sequences >> > and is a definer in Haplogroups L0d2b1a1a & U5a1b1f >> > This mutation makes the changes MT-CYB V284I and is presumably >> > insignificant. >> > >> > The only other thing to say is that the Haplogroup appears to have been >> > 'Scandinavian' >> > for several thousands of yours; but before that I expect the Haplogroup >> > would have >> > been found southeast of there, in countries such as Armenia, Georgia, >> > Turkey, etc. >> > >> > Ian >> > >> > >> > >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> > On 26/10/2018 00:01, Bill Webster wrote: >> > > When I first got into DNA I ordered a sort of full suite of tests from >> > > FTDNA, including what is described in my account as mtDNA Plus. Maybe >> if >> > > I'd known more at the time, as a bloke I may not have ordered mtDNA at >> > all, >> > > although my mother and grandmother are dead and I have no sisters. >> > > But, FTDNA tell me I can upgrade to mtDNA Full Sequence. And so, I >> was >> > > attracted to this thread out of curiosity. At $159 it does not come >> > across >> > > as cheap. >> > > >From somewhere (can't remember - doesn't seem to show in FTDNA), my >> > mtDNA >> > > haplogroup is J2a1a1c. >> > > Does this tell me anything? >> > > Bill >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> > Unsubscribe >> > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> > community >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >

https://medium.com/s/story/your-genome-is-pretty-worthless-b1199033a061 "Let's imagine that I've stolen your genome . How much damage can I do to you with the genome I've stolen?" Best, Eric

Well, I'm puzzled then. Maybe someone who knows more about J1a can comment on what I'm missing. Ann Turner On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 8:50 PM Bill <wbwebster@internode.on.net> wrote: > Today Ann > > ⁣Sent from Blue ​ > > On 27 Oct. 2018, 2:29 pm, at 2:29 pm, Ann Turner <dnacousins@gmail.com> > wrote: > >I received Bill's HVR1/HVR2 match list. He has 78 total; 29 of those > >are > >just plain J, so they have not taken the full test either. The > >remainder > >are J1a1a1 or a subclade of that. That's pretty strong circumstantial > >evidence that he would also be at least J1a1a1 if he did the full test. > >But > >.. there is a catch. J1a doesn't show up on the most recent > >phylogenetic > >tree at http://phylotree.org or at FTDNA's recent tree > >https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mt-dna-haplotree/J;name=J1. > > > >Is this a recent download, Bill? > > > >Ann Turner > > > > > > > >On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 4:59 PM Bill Webster > ><wbwebster@internode.on.net> > >wrote: > > > >> Ann and Ian, yes that would be right: I'd have manually entered that > >> information at Gedmatch. And I only have a home page badge showing > >"J". > >> And so, I am wondering how I came by the fuller haplotree. When I > >did the > >> test at FTDNA, might mtDNA Plus have been the highest level offered > >at that > >> time? I uploaded my test back in 2010. > >> In any event, when I now download a CSV of my HSV 1 and 2 matches, > >the > >> spreadsheet shows the larger Haplogroup format for all 78 of them. I > >am > >> attempting to send you each that file. > >> Many thanks to everyone's help. > >> Bill > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Ann Turner [mailto:dnacousins@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Friday, 26 October 2018 8:39 PM > >> To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List > >> Subject: [DNA] Re: What does Full Sequence from Family Tree DNA mean? > >> > >> Bill manually entered the haplogroup at GEDmatch. If he had the > >complete > >> test at FTDNA, he should see a "badge" for J2a1a1c in the upper > >right-hand > >> corner of his home page and he should see "mtFull Sequence" in his > >order > >> history. He should not see an offer to upgrade. > >> > >> Ann Turner > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:18 AM Ian Logan via GENEALOGY-DNA < > >> genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> > >> > Bill > >> > > >> > You have already had the FGS test at FTDNA ! > >> > > >> > This is a copy of your GEDmatch entry: > >> > > >> > T436920 J2a1a1c *Bill Webster wbwebster@internode.on.net > >> > > >> > 'J2a1a1c' is small 'twig' in branch J; > >> > and FTDNA reports that it has found 22 sequences (1 of which will > >be > >> > yours). > >> > > >> > On the GenBank database there are 3 sequences > >> > (all from FTDNA customers prior to 2012, so again one of these > >might be > >> > yours) > >> > > >> > Also, there are 19 (and perhaps more) people on GEDmatch who say > >they > >> > are in this Haplogroup. (My list only looks at 170,000+ entries) > >> > > >> > The defining mutations for 'J2a1a1c' are: A8008G & G15596A. > >> > > >> > A8008G is found in 10 GenBank sequences (out of 45,000+) > >> > and is a non-synonymous mutation. > >> > > >> > G15596A is found in 75 GenBank sequences > >> > and is a definer in Haplogroups L0d2b1a1a & U5a1b1f > >> > This mutation makes the changes MT-CYB V284I and is presumably > >> > insignificant. > >> > > >> > The only other thing to say is that the Haplogroup appears to have > >been > >> > 'Scandinavian' > >> > for several thousands of yours; but before that I expect the > >Haplogroup > >> > would have > >> > been found southeast of there, in countries such as Armenia, > >Georgia, > >> > Turkey, etc. > >> > > >> > Ian > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> -- > >> > On 26/10/2018 00:01, Bill Webster wrote: > >> > > When I first got into DNA I ordered a sort of full suite of tests > >from > >> > > FTDNA, including what is described in my account as mtDNA Plus. > >Maybe > >> if > >> > > I'd known more at the time, as a bloke I may not have ordered > >mtDNA at > >> > all, > >> > > although my mother and grandmother are dead and I have no > >sisters. > >> > > But, FTDNA tell me I can upgrade to mtDNA Full Sequence. And so, > >I was > >> > > attracted to this thread out of curiosity. At $159 it does not > >come > >> > across > >> > > as cheap. > >> > > >From somewhere (can't remember - doesn't seem to show in FTDNA), > >my > >> > mtDNA > >> > > haplogroup is J2a1a1c. > >> > > Does this tell me anything? > >> > > Bill > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > >> > Unsubscribe > >> > > >https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > >> > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and > >Conditions: > >> > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >> > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >> > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > >RootsWeb > >> > community > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > >> Unsubscribe > >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > >RootsWeb > >> community > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > >> Unsubscribe > >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > >RootsWeb > >> community > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > >Unsubscribe > >https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > >Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > >https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > >community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Today Ann ⁣Sent from Blue ​ On 27 Oct. 2018, 2:29 pm, at 2:29 pm, Ann Turner <dnacousins@gmail.com> wrote: >I received Bill's HVR1/HVR2 match list. He has 78 total; 29 of those >are >just plain J, so they have not taken the full test either. The >remainder >are J1a1a1 or a subclade of that. That's pretty strong circumstantial >evidence that he would also be at least J1a1a1 if he did the full test. >But >.. there is a catch. J1a doesn't show up on the most recent >phylogenetic >tree at http://phylotree.org or at FTDNA's recent tree >https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mt-dna-haplotree/J;name=J1. > >Is this a recent download, Bill? > >Ann Turner > > > >On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 4:59 PM Bill Webster ><wbwebster@internode.on.net> >wrote: > >> Ann and Ian, yes that would be right: I'd have manually entered that >> information at Gedmatch. And I only have a home page badge showing >"J". >> And so, I am wondering how I came by the fuller haplotree. When I >did the >> test at FTDNA, might mtDNA Plus have been the highest level offered >at that >> time? I uploaded my test back in 2010. >> In any event, when I now download a CSV of my HSV 1 and 2 matches, >the >> spreadsheet shows the larger Haplogroup format for all 78 of them. I >am >> attempting to send you each that file. >> Many thanks to everyone's help. >> Bill >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ann Turner [mailto:dnacousins@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, 26 October 2018 8:39 PM >> To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List >> Subject: [DNA] Re: What does Full Sequence from Family Tree DNA mean? >> >> Bill manually entered the haplogroup at GEDmatch. If he had the >complete >> test at FTDNA, he should see a "badge" for J2a1a1c in the upper >right-hand >> corner of his home page and he should see "mtFull Sequence" in his >order >> history. He should not see an offer to upgrade. >> >> Ann Turner >> >> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:18 AM Ian Logan via GENEALOGY-DNA < >> genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> > Bill >> > >> > You have already had the FGS test at FTDNA ! >> > >> > This is a copy of your GEDmatch entry: >> > >> > T436920 J2a1a1c *Bill Webster wbwebster@internode.on.net >> > >> > 'J2a1a1c' is small 'twig' in branch J; >> > and FTDNA reports that it has found 22 sequences (1 of which will >be >> > yours). >> > >> > On the GenBank database there are 3 sequences >> > (all from FTDNA customers prior to 2012, so again one of these >might be >> > yours) >> > >> > Also, there are 19 (and perhaps more) people on GEDmatch who say >they >> > are in this Haplogroup. (My list only looks at 170,000+ entries) >> > >> > The defining mutations for 'J2a1a1c' are: A8008G & G15596A. >> > >> > A8008G is found in 10 GenBank sequences (out of 45,000+) >> > and is a non-synonymous mutation. >> > >> > G15596A is found in 75 GenBank sequences >> > and is a definer in Haplogroups L0d2b1a1a & U5a1b1f >> > This mutation makes the changes MT-CYB V284I and is presumably >> > insignificant. >> > >> > The only other thing to say is that the Haplogroup appears to have >been >> > 'Scandinavian' >> > for several thousands of yours; but before that I expect the >Haplogroup >> > would have >> > been found southeast of there, in countries such as Armenia, >Georgia, >> > Turkey, etc. >> > >> > Ian >> > >> > >> > >> >> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> > On 26/10/2018 00:01, Bill Webster wrote: >> > > When I first got into DNA I ordered a sort of full suite of tests >from >> > > FTDNA, including what is described in my account as mtDNA Plus. >Maybe >> if >> > > I'd known more at the time, as a bloke I may not have ordered >mtDNA at >> > all, >> > > although my mother and grandmother are dead and I have no >sisters. >> > > But, FTDNA tell me I can upgrade to mtDNA Full Sequence. And so, >I was >> > > attracted to this thread out of curiosity. At $159 it does not >come >> > across >> > > as cheap. >> > > >From somewhere (can't remember - doesn't seem to show in FTDNA), >my >> > mtDNA >> > > haplogroup is J2a1a1c. >> > > Does this tell me anything? >> > > Bill >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> > Unsubscribe >> > >https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and >Conditions: >> > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >RootsWeb >> > community >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >RootsWeb >> community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >RootsWeb >> community >> > >_______________________________________________ >Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >Unsubscribe >https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com >Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >community

I received Bill's HVR1/HVR2 match list. He has 78 total; 29 of those are just plain J, so they have not taken the full test either. The remainder are J1a1a1 or a subclade of that. That's pretty strong circumstantial evidence that he would also be at least J1a1a1 if he did the full test. But .. there is a catch. J1a doesn't show up on the most recent phylogenetic tree at http://phylotree.org or at FTDNA's recent tree https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mt-dna-haplotree/J;name=J1. Is this a recent download, Bill? Ann Turner On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 4:59 PM Bill Webster <wbwebster@internode.on.net> wrote: > Ann and Ian, yes that would be right: I'd have manually entered that > information at Gedmatch. And I only have a home page badge showing "J". > And so, I am wondering how I came by the fuller haplotree. When I did the > test at FTDNA, might mtDNA Plus have been the highest level offered at that > time? I uploaded my test back in 2010. > In any event, when I now download a CSV of my HSV 1 and 2 matches, the > spreadsheet shows the larger Haplogroup format for all 78 of them. I am > attempting to send you each that file. > Many thanks to everyone's help. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ann Turner [mailto:dnacousins@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, 26 October 2018 8:39 PM > To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List > Subject: [DNA] Re: What does Full Sequence from Family Tree DNA mean? > > Bill manually entered the haplogroup at GEDmatch. If he had the complete > test at FTDNA, he should see a "badge" for J2a1a1c in the upper right-hand > corner of his home page and he should see "mtFull Sequence" in his order > history. He should not see an offer to upgrade. > > Ann Turner > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:18 AM Ian Logan via GENEALOGY-DNA < > genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Bill > > > > You have already had the FGS test at FTDNA ! > > > > This is a copy of your GEDmatch entry: > > > > T436920 J2a1a1c *Bill Webster wbwebster@internode.on.net > > > > 'J2a1a1c' is small 'twig' in branch J; > > and FTDNA reports that it has found 22 sequences (1 of which will be > > yours). > > > > On the GenBank database there are 3 sequences > > (all from FTDNA customers prior to 2012, so again one of these might be > > yours) > > > > Also, there are 19 (and perhaps more) people on GEDmatch who say they > > are in this Haplogroup. (My list only looks at 170,000+ entries) > > > > The defining mutations for 'J2a1a1c' are: A8008G & G15596A. > > > > A8008G is found in 10 GenBank sequences (out of 45,000+) > > and is a non-synonymous mutation. > > > > G15596A is found in 75 GenBank sequences > > and is a definer in Haplogroups L0d2b1a1a & U5a1b1f > > This mutation makes the changes MT-CYB V284I and is presumably > > insignificant. > > > > The only other thing to say is that the Haplogroup appears to have been > > 'Scandinavian' > > for several thousands of yours; but before that I expect the Haplogroup > > would have > > been found southeast of there, in countries such as Armenia, Georgia, > > Turkey, etc. > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > On 26/10/2018 00:01, Bill Webster wrote: > > > When I first got into DNA I ordered a sort of full suite of tests from > > > FTDNA, including what is described in my account as mtDNA Plus. Maybe > if > > > I'd known more at the time, as a bloke I may not have ordered mtDNA at > > all, > > > although my mother and grandmother are dead and I have no sisters. > > > But, FTDNA tell me I can upgrade to mtDNA Full Sequence. And so, I was > > > attracted to this thread out of curiosity. At $159 it does not come > > across > > > as cheap. > > > >From somewhere (can't remember - doesn't seem to show in FTDNA), my > > mtDNA > > > haplogroup is J2a1a1c. > > > Does this tell me anything? > > > Bill > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > community > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Ann and Ian, yes that would be right: I'd have manually entered that information at Gedmatch. And I only have a home page badge showing "J". And so, I am wondering how I came by the fuller haplotree. When I did the test at FTDNA, might mtDNA Plus have been the highest level offered at that time? I uploaded my test back in 2010. In any event, when I now download a CSV of my HSV 1 and 2 matches, the spreadsheet shows the larger Haplogroup format for all 78 of them. I am attempting to send you each that file. Many thanks to everyone's help. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Ann Turner [mailto:dnacousins@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 26 October 2018 8:39 PM To: DNA Genealogy Mailing List Subject: [DNA] Re: What does Full Sequence from Family Tree DNA mean? Bill manually entered the haplogroup at GEDmatch. If he had the complete test at FTDNA, he should see a "badge" for J2a1a1c in the upper right-hand corner of his home page and he should see "mtFull Sequence" in his order history. He should not see an offer to upgrade. Ann Turner On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:18 AM Ian Logan via GENEALOGY-DNA < genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Bill > > You have already had the FGS test at FTDNA ! > > This is a copy of your GEDmatch entry: > > T436920 J2a1a1c *Bill Webster wbwebster@internode.on.net > > 'J2a1a1c' is small 'twig' in branch J; > and FTDNA reports that it has found 22 sequences (1 of which will be > yours). > > On the GenBank database there are 3 sequences > (all from FTDNA customers prior to 2012, so again one of these might be > yours) > > Also, there are 19 (and perhaps more) people on GEDmatch who say they > are in this Haplogroup. (My list only looks at 170,000+ entries) > > The defining mutations for 'J2a1a1c' are: A8008G & G15596A. > > A8008G is found in 10 GenBank sequences (out of 45,000+) > and is a non-synonymous mutation. > > G15596A is found in 75 GenBank sequences > and is a definer in Haplogroups L0d2b1a1a & U5a1b1f > This mutation makes the changes MT-CYB V284I and is presumably > insignificant. > > The only other thing to say is that the Haplogroup appears to have been > 'Scandinavian' > for several thousands of yours; but before that I expect the Haplogroup > would have > been found southeast of there, in countries such as Armenia, Georgia, > Turkey, etc. > > Ian > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > On 26/10/2018 00:01, Bill Webster wrote: > > When I first got into DNA I ordered a sort of full suite of tests from > > FTDNA, including what is described in my account as mtDNA Plus. Maybe if > > I'd known more at the time, as a bloke I may not have ordered mtDNA at > all, > > although my mother and grandmother are dead and I have no sisters. > > But, FTDNA tell me I can upgrade to mtDNA Full Sequence. And so, I was > > attracted to this thread out of curiosity. At $159 it does not come > across > > as cheap. > > >From somewhere (can't remember - doesn't seem to show in FTDNA), my > mtDNA > > haplogroup is J2a1a1c. > > Does this tell me anything? > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I recently bought the Full Genomes "Long Read" (10xGenomic's "Chromium") product of myself. This uses 10xGenomic's "Chromium" machine to cut DNA into 50 or so kilobase pieces. These are then separated, chopped into smaller pieces appropriate for Illumina sequencing, and each smaller piece is barcoded with an identifier for the long piece. These are then submitted for the usual Illumina sequencing. The special 10xGenomics software then aligns the pieces to Build 38 using to special bar codes to guide the alignment. The BAM file (its one file for the whole person --- 109 GIGAbytes) contains a notation (called "BX") giving the bar code sequence. The idea I has was to use 10xGenomics long reads to understand the nature of the strange mutation that is at the heart of the Clan Donald DNA project for our R1a people who are in the male line of the clan Chiefs. This mutation occurred in John, First Lord of the Isles (d. 1368) or possibly his father, Angus Og (Og means "junior"), per impeccable paper trails. This mutation is none of the usual SNPs, STRs, or even small indels that are the bread and butter of this email list. In fact it was THREE mutations called CLD56, CLD57, and CLD82 (you can guess what "CLD" means.) These are inside the very notorious DYZ19 126 (or so) base pair long repeat region. They appeared, in BigY and Full Genomes' YElite to be 1 to 2 kilobase long deletes. (The end positions are somewhat diffuse). They are completely reliably detected in any Illumina sequencing product, by looking at the number of "reads" in those areas compared to adjacent areas. This is complicated by the fact that there are numerous roughly one kilobase areas within DYZ19 which are empty of reads in everybody. But it should be obvious that the probability of THREE very unusual mutations in one person would be exceeding unusual. So I partook of the project with the long reads. The results are very gratifying though the long reads alone were not a panacea. Here's what I learned, though not necessarily in the order I learned it. First I examined the length of the long reads for various regions of the Y chromosome. The typical length of the read sets (2 to 30 reads per long molecule) peaks near 0 bases, one paired-ends read, and the probability drops off smoothly as the barcoded groups get longer. The 1/2 length is 1250, the 1/10 length is 8200, and the 1/100 point is about 27000. However, in the DYZ19 region the typical length is over 10,000, and across the region exactly bracketing the three CLD markers, almost all of then are over 50,000. In addition almost all the long read bracketing the three mutations start exactly at the start of one and end at the end of the third. These are the smoking guns that Build 38 is simply wrong in that area. In addition almost all the long read bracketing the three mutations start exactly at the start of one and end at the end of the third. But the long reads alone cannot tell us what is right. Pacbio's long read product is too expensive. This chops out pieces of dna strongly clustered around 10,000 bases long and sequences the whole piece. These are then assembled de-novo, albeit with some difficulty because each read has about a 5-10% error rate. If you generate enough coverage the consensus will be right. So I discovered that Pacbio had generated two whole genomes of males (they seem to prefer females) that have already been assembled (There is an even better one in progress.) So what I did was regenerate the FASTQ files from my Chromium BAM file (I'm R1a) as well as an R1b one I got from Full Genomes. Note that the software that generated the regular Chromium BAM files assembled against Build 38 generated a small (~20,000 bases) auxiliary file for the Y chromosome. I ascertained by BLASTing it against both the NCBI database and the Pacbio reference that it was likely from the DYZ19 area, so I added to to the FASTQ files. There are two FASTQ files, one for each end of each paired read. I then assembled these to the Pacbio reference using BWA. Comparing the view of the two new BAM files in IGV it was clear that what had been three different deletes in the plain Illumina assembly against Build 38 had become one single delete. This can be anywhere from 10100 to 13500 bases long. Its inexact because one end is in an area where there are exact 126 base repeats, so assigning Illumina to Pacbio can't help, only looking at real Pacbio reads of me can help. The little piece that Build38 has unassigned was assigned with no trouble against the Pacbio reference. Thus the bottom line is that these new methods can indeed help with strange large variants, but Pacbio is best ... and still too expensive. Doug McDonald

Yes it's two ways. If you have a path like father-mother-mother-father-mother vsmother-mother-father-mother-mother it's two different ways -----Original Message----- From: ewade <ewade@cfl.rr.com> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Cc: 'Wjhonson' <wjhonson@aol.com> Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2018 12:41 pm Subject: RE: [DNA] Re: Likelihood of matching both husband and wife surnames? If you have people in common in two or more different ways are they really different ways?  It is not rare for two brothers to marry two sisters.  The couple that I am looking at were married in Williamson Co IL in 1848.  Williamson Co is typical in size to the other counties in Illinois.  The population in 1840 was 4,457 and 7,016 in 1850.  The Illinois Statewide Marriage Index, 1763-1900 Illinois State Archives only has one marriage for a Caplinger and Keaster and that is the couple that I am looking at.  -----Original Message----- From: Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 1:54 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Cc: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> Subject: [DNA] Re: Likelihood of matching both husband and wife surnames? Yes, but you know sometime three generations further back. It's like many pioneers came to one area, they each had twelve kids who each had twelve kids.... And eventually half the town could trace a shared ancestry -----Original Message----- From: ewade <ewade@cfl.rr.com> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2018 10:50 am Subject: [DNA] Re: Likelihood of matching both husband and wife surnames? Interesting.  Endogamy may be the answer.  In your cases where you have cousins three different ways - do you have any people in common in the three different ways?  -----Original Message----- From: Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 12:49 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Cc: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> Subject: [DNA] Re: Likelihood of matching both husband and wife surnames? I would say you have to look to endogamy. Some of my relatives came from a small town in a small county, where the nearest larger population center was over fifty miles away. They married each other, several different ways.  I have cousins with whom I'm cousins three diffferent ways -----Original Message----- From: ewade <ewade@cfl.rr.com> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2018 7:36 am Subject: [DNA] Likelihood of matching both husband and wife surnames? I found a couple where the husband has the surname Caplinger and the wife's maiden name is Keaster.  I have good DNA matches to both Caplinger and Keaster.  The matches for each surname are different.  Neither of these surnames are common.  What is the likelihood of this happening?  Thank you, Eldon _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

If you have people in common in two or more different ways are they really different ways? It is not rare for two brothers to marry two sisters. The couple that I am looking at were married in Williamson Co IL in 1848. Williamson Co is typical in size to the other counties in Illinois. The population in 1840 was 4,457 and 7,016 in 1850. The Illinois Statewide Marriage Index, 1763-1900 Illinois State Archives only has one marriage for a Caplinger and Keaster and that is the couple that I am looking at. -----Original Message----- From: Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 1:54 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Cc: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> Subject: [DNA] Re: Likelihood of matching both husband and wife surnames? Yes, but you know sometime three generations further back. It's like many pioneers came to one area, they each had twelve kids who each had twelve kids.... And eventually half the town could trace a shared ancestry -----Original Message----- From: ewade <ewade@cfl.rr.com> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2018 10:50 am Subject: [DNA] Re: Likelihood of matching both husband and wife surnames? Interesting. Endogamy may be the answer. In your cases where you have cousins three different ways - do you have any people in common in the three different ways? -----Original Message----- From: Wjhonson via GENEALOGY-DNA <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 12:49 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Cc: Wjhonson <wjhonson@aol.com> Subject: [DNA] Re: Likelihood of matching both husband and wife surnames? I would say you have to look to endogamy. Some of my relatives came from a small town in a small county, where the nearest larger population center was over fifty miles away. They married each other, several different ways. I have cousins with whom I'm cousins three diffferent ways -----Original Message----- From: ewade <ewade@cfl.rr.com> To: genealogy-dna <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2018 7:36 am Subject: [DNA] Likelihood of matching both husband and wife surnames? I found a couple where the husband has the surname Caplinger and the wife's maiden name is Keaster. I have good DNA matches to both Caplinger and Keaster. The matches for each surname are different. Neither of these surnames are common. What is the likelihood of this happening? Thank you, Eldon _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

The name Bustemante comes to mind. That's your answer! I've MET the man! Not only that, but I was on a committee tasked to decide if we would offer him a tenure track position in our department. We were impressed, to say the least. The very least! He just "felt" like he would become a big important, and justifiably so, person. We've been very right about these things. Then we found out that he already had offers from big coastal universities with med schools attached. We had no hope of getting him, and indeed, he turned us down. Of course he didn't personally do her results ... some post-doc did ... but he hires really good post docs with really good infrastructure. I'd trust his results. Doug McDonald -----Original Message----- From: Sam Sloan <samhsloan@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 11:02 AM To: DNA-NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com; DNAAdoption@yahoogroups.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody Elizabeth Warren's Homemade DNA Test Result Will not Satisfy Anybody Today Elizabeth Warren released a report which she says is the result of a DNA test proving that she is part Native American. She took a test and released the report because for years Trump had been calling her “Pocahontas” by her claiming to be Native American. But Senator Warren did not take any of the commercially available DNA tests costing less than $99. Instead she took a home made test as interpreted by her self-appointed expert. One has to wonder why she went to the trouble to hire someone to give her a homemade test. Why not blow $99 and give us the results we can see and interpret? Millions of people have taken these DNA tests. There are three main testing companies: ftdna.com and 23andme.com and ancestry.com She should take one of those tests and also have one of her three brothers take the same test to establish it is really her and she should also upload the results to Gedmatch and then we and the world will be able to see if she is really part native American or not. The claim she made that Native Americans have not taken DNA tests because tribal leaders told them not to is also nonsense. One of my own step-sons is part Mexican and I gave him the test and his DNA matches with hundreds of Mexicans South of the Border down Mexico Way who have taken these tests. Did you know that Mexicans are native Americans? Did you know that these DNA tests all come from Utah where they have millions of Native Americans? Sam Sloan _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community