Clooz is a genealogical research tool that enables you to analyse your data in various ways, and possibly open up new avenues for research. Development of the program was recently taken over by Ancestral Systems, and they are now offering a free trial of Clooz 3.0, which is due to be released soon. For more information see: http://www.clooz.com/ -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/

On 05/08/2012 05:40, Steve Hayes wrote: > Clooz is a genealogical research tool that enables you to analyse your data in > various ways, and possibly open up new avenues for research. > > Development of the program was recently taken over by Ancestral Systems, and > they are now offering a free trial of Clooz 3.0, which is due to be released > soon. > > For more information see: > http://www.clooz.com/ > So have you tried it out yet? Any opinion/comments?

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:18:21 +0200, john <john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote: >On 05/08/2012 05:40, Steve Hayes wrote: >> Clooz is a genealogical research tool that enables you to analyse your data in >> various ways, and possibly open up new avenues for research. >> >> Development of the program was recently taken over by Ancestral Systems, and >> they are now offering a free trial of Clooz 3.0, which is due to be released >> soon. >> >> For more information see: >> http://www.clooz.com/ >> > >So have you tried it out yet? Any opinion/comments? I haven't tried it out seriously, though I've been following some of the discussions from others who have. The reason I have not tried it out seriously is that when I imported from my main genealogy database, it did not populate the "Alternate Id" field with the RIN or Id from my main database, and typing them in for 17000+ entries in the trial period is impractical, so I suggested that they introduce that feature, and when they do I'll be willing to give it a bash further. -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

The /major/ thing I felt was a drawback, back when someone showed me a pre-beta version of it, was -- it requires me to look in two places for a fact, not just one. Still does. Granted, it separates "proven fact" from "evidence", "possibility", and "probability", but IME that wasn't useful enough to be worth the effort of remembering to look in two separate places to see if I already have 'this' fact. What you're doing probably influences how useful it is. Much like a farm hand hoeing Corn doesn't have the same use for a a whistle on a kraut-cutter as a cabbage farmer might. If you don't use a genealogy database program -- a friend of mine doesn't -- CLOOZ (any vers) is _probably_ a good way to store facts until you're ready to collate them into prose. Then, your personal threshold for moving something from Probable to Proven comes into play. A man tells you in front of his wife that Joe is his son, you pretty much have to accept it, particularly when she fails to contradict it. I tend to accept census records, marriage records, and birth records as being solid proof. If they disagree, saying so in a different program won't help. However, I know a researcher who wants to personally view 3 separate contemporaneous primary sources that agree in /every/ particular before the alleged fact is moved from possible to probable. I'm not seeing anything obvious in vers 3 that changes any of that. There are a lot more templates for a wider range of countries than v1 had, but having a template for the 1817 Mecklenburg-Schwerin census record when all your ancestors for the last 5 centuries were in Scotland (or your Germans weren't from M-S) seems to be rather un-useful. [So, I won't complain that there's no template for Danish or Swedish census.] Somehow, I suspect that 2 weeks isn't long enough to convince anyone it's a useful addition to their tool set. If you already use the program, 2 weeks will certainly tell you whether it's worth the upgrade though. To get to specifics -- I imported a LEGACY database into CLOOZ for trial, expecting it to do something with the attached sources. If it did, I've been unable to find out what... it did put the source titles and labels into the section marked SOURCES, but darn if I can see anything attaching those sources to the people they were attached to in Legacy. At this point, I've clicked PEOPLE from the left-side menu, and it shows me a list of the 244 people I imported. The fields showing are ID (aka RIN), Alternate ID, Surname, Given name, Other surnames, birth/bapt, marriage date, death/burial. Clicking on any of those names brings up a screen very like the first few slots on any genie database, its tab is Vitals; across the top are other tabs for census, census substitutes, documents, images, buildings, research logs, file links. The only other tab populated for this person is the file link to the database from which I imported the data. None of the sources for this person show. Other options on the left-hand menu are businesses, buildngs, all censuses, Canadian censuses, French censuses, German censuses, Irish Censuses, Norwegian censuses, UK Censuses, US censuses, Census substitutes, Documents, Images, Sources, Research Log, Lists, Repositories, Reports, External File Links -- each with drop-downs If there's a way to "label" a source as the census record it is -- without retyping the source under the CENSUS templates, I don't see it. And, probably because of all the above, when I try to use the "FILTER" it doesn't give me a place to enter anything, just complains that there was no text entered. FWIW, YMMV and all that jazzzzz Cheryl