john wrote: > On 18/06/2011 10:53, Ian Goddard wrote: >> Bob Melson wrote: >>> Notably missing from all this has been gramps, which just released it's >>> 3.3.0 version. While originally a Linux/Unix app, it's available for >>> Windows. See http://gramps-project.org/ for details. And, BTW, it's >> >> Thanks for that heads-up, Bob. I hadn't seen that. Now I need to find >> time to back everything up & upgrade.... >> >> However, the .exe isn't very big so, unlike the all-singing all-dancing >> installer project from some time ago, it seems unlikely that it will >> install all the dependencies such as Python which are apt to be absent >> from Windows. Looking back to the comments on the 2.6 release it seems >> that as ever Windows users were finding it just too difficult to set up. >> They really do need to build and keep up-to-date all-in-one installer. >> > > I just tried installing the Win 32 version. I needed to install: > 1. python 2.72 (15 Mb) from python 2.7.2 http://www.python.org/download/ > 2. gtk-2.12.9-win32-2.exe (7 Mb) from > http://sourceforge.net/projects/gladewin32/files/gtk%2B-win32-runtime/2.12.9/ > > 3. pygtk-all-in-one-2.24.0.win32-py2.7.msi (32 Mb) from > http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/binaries/win32/pygtk/2.24/ > > before installing Gramps 3.3 (7 Mb) from > http://sourceforge.net/projects/gramps/files/Stable/3.3.0/ > > There is more information at > http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Windows_installer#Installation > > > and more installation help at > http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=GRAMPS_and_Windows > > When I ran Gramps for the first time it asked whether I wanted to > install some additional components. All but one installed without > problems after a program restart. > > With all the components and dependencies, I don't think most Windows > users would be able to maintain/upgrade the Win version of Gramps with > any ease. > > > Quite. This was why someone started the project at http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/gramps4win/index.php?title=Main_Page It's somewhat misleading in describing it as a beta in that the version of Gramps installed wasn't, it's just the overall packaging which was beta AIUI. I tried it on W2K under VirtualBoxand, beta or not, it worked fine. But it's frozen as of two years ago at Gramps 3.1.1. It's quite likely that some later versions of Gramps could be used to update it but without updating the dependencies I doubt it could have been brought up-to-date. What's needed is to bring the installer up-to-date with current dependencies and Gramps and then maintained. I wish open source developers would read the first chapter of The Mythical Man-Month and understand the difference between a project and a product. -- Ian The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang at austonley org uk
On Saturday 18 June 2011 05:39, Ian Goddard ([email protected]) opined: > john wrote: >> On 18/06/2011 10:53, Ian Goddard wrote: >>> Bob Melson wrote: >>>> Notably missing from all this has been gramps, which just released >>>> it's 3.3.0 version. While originally a Linux/Unix app, it's available >>>> for Windows. See http://gramps-project.org/ for details. And, BTW, >>>> it's >>> >>> Thanks for that heads-up, Bob. I hadn't seen that. Now I need to find >>> time to back everything up & upgrade.... >>> >>> However, the .exe isn't very big so, unlike the all-singing all-dancing >>> installer project from some time ago, it seems unlikely that it will >>> install all the dependencies such as Python which are apt to be absent >>> from Windows. Looking back to the comments on the 2.6 release it seems >>> that as ever Windows users were finding it just too difficult to set >>> up. They really do need to build and keep up-to-date all-in-one >>> installer. >>> >> >> I just tried installing the Win 32 version. I needed to install: >> 1. python 2.72 (15 Mb) from python 2.7.2 http://www.python.org/download/ >> 2. gtk-2.12.9-win32-2.exe (7 Mb) from >> http://sourceforge.net/projects/gladewin32/files/gtk%2B-win32-runtime/2.12.9/ >> >> 3. pygtk-all-in-one-2.24.0.win32-py2.7.msi (32 Mb) from >> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/binaries/win32/pygtk/2.24/ >> >> before installing Gramps 3.3 (7 Mb) from >> http://sourceforge.net/projects/gramps/files/Stable/3.3.0/ >> >> There is more information at >> http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Windows_installer#Installation >> >> >> and more installation help at >> http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=GRAMPS_and_Windows >> >> When I ran Gramps for the first time it asked whether I wanted to >> install some additional components. All but one installed without >> problems after a program restart. >> >> With all the components and dependencies, I don't think most Windows >> users would be able to maintain/upgrade the Win version of Gramps with >> any ease. >> >> >> > > Quite. This was why someone started the project at > http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/gramps4win/index.php?title=Main_Page > > It's somewhat misleading in describing it as a beta in that the version > of Gramps installed wasn't, it's just the overall packaging which was > beta AIUI. I tried it on W2K under VirtualBoxand, beta or not, it > worked fine. But it's frozen as of two years ago at Gramps 3.1.1. > > It's quite likely that some later versions of Gramps could be used to > update it but without updating the dependencies I doubt it could have > been brought up-to-date. > > What's needed is to bring the installer up-to-date with current > dependencies and Gramps and then maintained. > > I wish open source developers would read the first chapter of The > Mythical Man-Month and understand the difference between a project and a > product. > > -- > Ian > > The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang > at austonley org uk I certainly can't argue with either of you - I don't run windows of any version/flavor. Following the gramps-users mailing list, however, I do see that there's an "aio installer" for gramps 3.2.1 and will soon be one for 3.3.0. As I understand it, the "aio installer" installs everything needed to run gramps on a windows box. Keep in mind, however, that the foregoing is worth exactly what you paid for it. Further deponent saith not. Strugglin' Ol' Bob -- Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas ----- The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes -- Thomas Paine