On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:57:05 GMT, Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan) wrote: >On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:01:29 +0200, Steve Hayes ><hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote: > >>I've spent quite a lot of time today entering information into the >>Research Data Filer program that I got with PAF some 20 years ago. >> >>I thought of ways that it could be improved, and wished for an update, but >>there is still no other program that does what it does as well as it does. >> >> >>Could Clooz 4 be that program? I hope so! > >Why do you keep every paper? I record the info and source in my >program and discard the paper. I hasten to add I don't have originals. >I'm not in the business of doing the research of others for them. I'll >give them fact and source - if they want to check, have at it. I have >every fact and source that I have found for VA and NC recorded by >State year and county on about 30 computer pages, single spaced. Why >do I need to pack rat the source they were copied from? Well, we all have different methods and different sources. I don't keep every paper, but I do keep quite a lot of them, like, for example, the people who were in a house on the night of a census. I enter the ones I know are related in my genealogy program, but not the others. But years later I may find something that makes sense of that person who didn't seem to fit, and then I can lay hands on my original notes from the census, and check it up. >And I have found at least three programs that, IN MY OPINION, are much >better than PAF which was my first program. PAF was my second program, and I got it when one had to pay for it, $45 I think it was. But I didn't want PAF, I wanted the RDF that came with it. But this is not about lineage-linked programs, of which there are at least a dozen to choose from, and we really don't need any more. What we lack is programs like the RDF. -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 22:25:50 +0200, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote: >On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:57:05 GMT, Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan) >wrote: > >>On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:01:29 +0200, Steve Hayes >><hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote: >> >>>I've spent quite a lot of time today entering information into the >>>Research Data Filer program that I got with PAF some 20 years ago. >>> >>>I thought of ways that it could be improved, and wished for an update, but >>>there is still no other program that does what it does as well as it does. >>> >>> >>>Could Clooz 4 be that program? I hope so! >> >>Why do you keep every paper? I record the info and source in my >>program and discard the paper. I hasten to add I don't have originals. >>I'm not in the business of doing the research of others for them. I'll >>give them fact and source - if they want to check, have at it. I have >>every fact and source that I have found for VA and NC recorded by >>State year and county on about 30 computer pages, single spaced. Why >>do I need to pack rat the source they were copied from? > >Well, we all have different methods and different sources. I don't keep every >paper, but I do keep quite a lot of them, like, for example, the people who >were in a house on the night of a census. I enter the ones I know are related >in my genealogy program, but not the others. But years later I may find >something that makes sense of that person who didn't seem to fit, and then I >can lay hands on my original notes from the census, and check it up. I have the census for every Sullivan (various spellings) for VA (those that exist) and NC through 1840. I have AL from 1850 through 1940 for Sullivans in Tuscaloosa Co. I have them all on computer so I never have to look them up online. I used both ancestry and Heritage Quest to compile them. I have the censuses for my mother's and my wife's line on computer also. I'm just an anti-packrat and that certainly gives others problems. Hugh

Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote: > I've spent quite a lot of time today entering information into the > Research Data Filer program that I got with PAF some 20 years ago. > > I thought of ways that it could be improved, and wished for an update, but > there is still no other program that does what it does as well as it does. > > > Could Clooz 4 be that program? I hope so! > > More here: > > http://t.co/wqwtx7bq Another possibility is Bygones, which is available for Windows & Mac. http://home.utah-inter.net/bygones/index.htm -- Thanks and regards, Shane. "A closed mouth gathers no feet!" Email: Beware the invalid word! shane at wonk dot demon dot co dot uk Website: http://www.wonk.demon.co.uk/

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:01:29 +0200, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote: >I've spent quite a lot of time today entering information into the >Research Data Filer program that I got with PAF some 20 years ago. > >I thought of ways that it could be improved, and wished for an update, but >there is still no other program that does what it does as well as it does. > > >Could Clooz 4 be that program? I hope so! Why do you keep every paper? I record the info and source in my program and discard the paper. I hasten to add I don't have originals. I'm not in the business of doing the research of others for them. I'll give them fact and source - if they want to check, have at it. I have every fact and source that I have found for VA and NC recorded by State year and county on about 30 computer pages, single spaced. Why do I need to pack rat the source they were copied from? I've been doing this for only 18 years, and I have half of a filing drawer of records - plus 6 thin notebooks with printouts. And I have found at least three programs that, IN MY OPINION, are much better than PAF which was my first program. I was not trying to be confrontational even though it might sound that way. Hugh

I've spent quite a lot of time today entering information into the Research Data Filer program that I got with PAF some 20 years ago. I thought of ways that it could be improved, and wished for an update, but there is still no other program that does what it does as well as it does. Could Clooz 4 be that program? I hope so! More here: http://t.co/wqwtx7bq -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/

Thank you all for your replies. I have down-loaded Ad-Block Plus and it does seem to have stopped the annoying ads. Sometimes it still leaves an 'invisible' rectangle but the majority, that flickered so irritatingly, have disappeared. Many thanks, Noreen

On 11/12/2012 6:25 AM, Noreen wrote: > Thank you all for your replies. I have down-loaded Ad-Block Plus and it does > seem to have stopped the annoying ads. Sometimes it still leaves an > 'invisible' rectangle but the majority, that flickered so irritatingly, have > disappeared. > > Many thanks, > > Noreen > > In Firefox go to TOOLS/ADD-ONS/EXTENSIONS then hit the MORE button on AD-BLOCK if you now hit FILTER PREFERENCES a box will open giving you the option to add more add blocking filters, I personally have EASYLIST & FANBOY's filters installed & even though I have "Allow some non-intrusive advertising" checked I dont have any trouble with popups at all, FF/AD-BLOCK combo does a great job of blocking intrusive ads but allowing essential popups through Graham

Please can anyone advice me as to how I can stop those wretched pop-up ads from appearing all over the place on my screen? I have set my pop-up blocker on both Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer but still the darn things appear. Any advise will be gratefully received. Noreen

On 2012-12-07, Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote: > On 12-06-2012 18:37, singhals wrote: >> Be hereby reminded that some sites require pop-ups -- that is, the site >> content is provided a sort of pop-up -- and if you completely disable >> pop-ups, those sites are a waste of your time. >> >> I believe the Ellis Island site is one of 'em. > > The only pop-ups I ever see at ellisisland.org are when I ask to see a > manifest at a size that can be read. At least in Firefox, there's an 'Exceptions' button for the 'Block pop-up windows' checkbox. If you find a legitimate site that you do want to allow to do pop-ups, just block pop-ups in general but put said site in the exceptions list. -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

On 12-06-2012 18:37, singhals wrote: > Be hereby reminded that some sites require pop-ups -- that is, the site > content is provided a sort of pop-up -- and if you completely disable > pop-ups, those sites are a waste of your time. > > I believe the Ellis Island site is one of 'em. The only pop-ups I ever see at ellisisland.org are when I ask to see a manifest at a size that can be read. -- Wes Groleau Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. — John F. Kennedy

Noreen wrote: > Please can anyone advice me as to how I can stop those wretched pop-up ads > from appearing all over the place on my screen? I have set my pop-up blocker > on both Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer but still the darn things > appear. > > Any advise will be gratefully received. > > Noreen > > To block *ads* in FireFox, there's Adblock Plus, available from the Mozilla site: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/extensions/ Sleepy Ol' Bob -- Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas ----- Nothing astonishes men so much as common sense and plain dealing. Ralph Waldo Emerson

Noreen wrote: > Please can anyone advice me as to how I can stop those wretched pop-up ads > from appearing all over the place on my screen? I have set my pop-up blocker > on both Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer but still the darn things > appear. > > Any advise will be gratefully received. Be hereby reminded that some sites require pop-ups -- that is, the site content is provided a sort of pop-up -- and if you completely disable pop-ups, those sites are a waste of your time. I believe the Ellis Island site is one of 'em. FWIW and ICYC. Cheryl

On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 06:18:19 +0800, "Noreen" <noreen.coombes@bigpond.com> wrote in soc.genealogy.computing: >Please can anyone advice me as to how I can stop those wretched pop-up ads >from appearing all over the place on my screen? I have set my pop-up blocker >on both Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer but still the darn things >appear. > >Any advise will be gratefully received. FF has some extensions for that purpose. Since I usually don't get them, I presume they are from one specific site that has a good system to push the popups so you may have to use some other means like editing the host file. Denis -- Denis Beauregard - généalogiste émérite (FQSG) Les Français d'Amérique du Nord - www.francogene.com/genealogie--quebec/ French in North America before 1722 - www.francogene.com/quebec--genealogy/ Sur cédérom à 1780 - On CD-ROM to 1780

Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > On 12 Nov at 23:40, Ian Goddard<goddai01@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > >> I was recently shown an example page from a tithe book. As this is >> possibly going to become a collaborative transcription project I've >> been giving some thought to the sort of data structure needed to hold >> the data. I've got some ideas in the back of my head but although it >> looks simple it presents some interesting problems, especially if a >> relational solution and capability of indexing personal names are >> objectives. >> >> The pages are ruled vertically into a number of columns. These are: >> >> Landowner. To be thought of as a single entity but names are not >> necessarily unique and a "Landowner" may not even be a single person >> or even a natural person, e.g. one "Landowner" is a named person plus >> the executors of another. So a Landowner is to be structured as a >> list of sub-entities but even then the sub-entities aren't all of one >> type. >> >> Occupier. Again this is to be thought of as a single entity but an >> "Occupier" can consist of multiple non-unique names. In one instance >> there is a name followed by "and another". Although there were none >> in the example it wouldn't surprise me to see executors listed. The >> structural problems are similar to those of "Landowner" >> >> Plan reference. A single number. For each such number there are >> columns for: Name and Description which may describe one or more >> buildings; e.g "2 Houses" or "House, outbuildings and garden"; or >> land. State of cultivation - land only Quantities or statute measure >> Greater Tithe Lesser Tithe >> >> Several plan items may be listed against an "Occupier" and apart from >> the individual quantities& tithes for each item these are summed >> against the "Occupier". >> >> Neither the pages nor any other items are numbered except the plan >> entries. >> >> On the face of it this is a basic master/detail relationship extending >> to two levels of detail: >> >> One Landowner to one or more Occupier One Occupier to one or more Plan >> item >> >> However as both Landowner and Occupier are themselves potentially >> identified by multiple names or descriptions there is no existing >> content above Plan item which can be used as keys to hang this >> together. >> It would be possible to create artificial keys such as >> auto-incrementing numbers or UUIDs (preferable for a collaborative >> project) but, at least for a relational solution, this results in the >> schema including two tables with no content other then the artificial >> key. >> > > Unique keys are always useful. True. >I can only see one here, that of the plot of land. Me too. That's why I think it will be necessary to use artificial keys. > > What I don't know is whether the beneficiary of the tithe is unique? Far from it. From the sample I've seen the beneficiaries are the same for the whole page. > Are Greater and Lesser tithes names for different beneficiaries? Or are > there other categories of tithe recipient? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicar_%28Anglicanism%29#Greater_tithes > > Sounds to me that you need several sheets of paper, each charting a > different entity. Not too many responses here except this & another off-group. I'd hoped to get some specific ideas to compare with my own idea about data structure which is: Data types Person: Surname : string Forenames : list of string (probably implement in Free Pascal so that would be TStringList) Qualification : string (e.g. Executors of) PersonList : list of Name StatuteMeasure Acres : smallint Roods : smallint Perches : smallint OldMoney Pounds : smallint Shillings : smallint Pence : smallint (assumes that further investigation doesn't reveal ha'pence or farthings!) Classes Ownership LandOwnership_ID : UUID LandOwners : PersonList Occupation Occupation_ID : UUID Occupiers : PersonList TotalQuantity : StatuteMeasure TotalGreatTithes : OldMoney TotalLesserTithes : OldMoney LandsAndPremises LandsAndPremises_ID : UUID ReferenceNumber : smallint NameAndDescription : string StateOfCultivation : string Quantities : StatuteMeasure GreaterTithe : OldMoney LesserTithe : OldMoney Subject to further investigation One or more LandsAndPremises are associated with one Occupation One or more Occupations are associated with one Ownership The associations would be implemented by including the ID of the master class within the detail class. This is sufficient to deal with what I've seen so far. Alternatively I could take the pessimistic view & define association classes: OwnershipOccupation LandOwnership_ID Occupation_ID OccupationPremises Occupation_ID LandsAndPremises_ID -- Ian The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang at austonley org uk

Denis Beauregard wrote: > On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 21:25:58 +0100, marc <nomail@be.com> wrote in > soc.genealogy.computing: > >>Denis Beauregard wrote: >> >>> It is relatively easy to take a document and to print it to a PDF >>> file. For example, I can read a text file and print it with >>> LibreOffice. >> >> >>There are cmds in linux that will: >> >>- make a jpg of every single page >>OR >>- extract images and construct eg a html with text around it. >> >>eg pdftohtml -c -p -dev jpeg > > Unfortunately, my Linux is somewhat outdated (2006) and has only > pdftotext and pdftops. There is a bug in the configuration that is > stopping updates (2 rules are not coherent and I am not enough > familiar with Linux to change the files. I have an old Debian Linux. > I tried to install a Kubuntu release but it doesn't detect the disk > of my portable computer so that I can't refresh the Linux in it and > it is my only Linux machine. > >>but, >> >>If you have ImageMagick it's easy as >> >>convert file.pdf file.jpg > > The ImageMagick I have (for Windows 7) can't read my PDF file. Perhaps > I should update it. > >>http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/how-to-convert- pdf- >>to-jpg-910611/ >> >>Online pdf to jpg: the cloud works for free: >>http://pdf2jpg.net/ > > Files limited to 25 MB. Mine has 109 MB. But thanks to LibreOffice, I > reduced it to the site limitation. However, the file I sent couldn't > be converted. "An error occured. Please check that your PDF is valid > and retry.". Anyway, I can read pages one by one and edit them from > LibreOffice so I have something to do the job. > > win gui http://guiguy.wminds.com/downloads/pdf2htmlgui/ source code can be compiled, it you find libs/dev pkgs. http://pdftohtml.sourceforge.net/ -- -- What's on Shortwave guide: choose an hour, go! http://shortwave.tk 700+ Radio Stations on SW http://swstations.tk 300+ languages on SW http://radiolanguages.tk

On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 22:19:40 -0500, "Gene Y." <n2kvs@cfl.rr.com> wrote in soc.genealogy.computing: >On 11/22/2012 10:02 PM, Denis Beauregard wrote: >> On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 21:25:58 +0100, marc <nomail@be.com> wrote in >> soc.genealogy.computing: >> >>> Denis Beauregard wrote: >>> >>>> It is relatively easy to take a document and to print it to a PDF >>>> file. For example, I can read a text file and print it with >>>> LibreOffice. > >As I have indicated before, PDF-XChange Viewer will do what you need and >it is free. You should give it a try. I have found it to be a valuable >addition to my PDF arsenal. Tested and ... liked ! But I took it from a known shareware site for safety purposes... Denis -- Denis Beauregard - généalogiste émérite (FQSG) Les Français d'Amérique du Nord - www.francogene.com/genealogie--quebec/ French in North America before 1722 - www.francogene.com/quebec--genealogy/ Sur cédérom à 1780 - On CD-ROM to 1780

On 11/22/2012 10:02 PM, Denis Beauregard wrote: > On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 21:25:58 +0100, marc <nomail@be.com> wrote in > soc.genealogy.computing: > >> Denis Beauregard wrote: >> >>> It is relatively easy to take a document and to print it to a PDF >>> file. For example, I can read a text file and print it with >>> LibreOffice. >> >> >> There are cmds in linux that will: >> >> - make a jpg of every single page >> OR >> - extract images and construct eg a html with text around it. >> >> eg pdftohtml -c -p -dev jpeg > > Unfortunately, my Linux is somewhat outdated (2006) and has only > pdftotext and pdftops. There is a bug in the configuration that is > stopping updates (2 rules are not coherent and I am not enough > familiar with Linux to change the files. I have an old Debian Linux. > I tried to install a Kubuntu release but it doesn't detect the disk > of my portable computer so that I can't refresh the Linux in it and > it is my only Linux machine. > >> but, >> >> If you have ImageMagick it's easy as >> >> convert file.pdf file.jpg > > The ImageMagick I have (for Windows 7) can't read my PDF file. Perhaps > I should update it. > >> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/how-to-convert-pdf- >> to-jpg-910611/ >> >> Online pdf to jpg: the cloud works for free: >> http://pdf2jpg.net/ > > Files limited to 25 MB. Mine has 109 MB. But thanks to LibreOffice, I > reduced it to the site limitation. However, the file I sent couldn't > be converted. "An error occured. Please check that your PDF is valid > and retry.". Anyway, I can read pages one by one and edit them from > LibreOffice so I have something to do the job. > > > Thanks anyway. > > > Denis > Dennis, As I have indicated before, PDF-XChange Viewer will do what you need and it is free. You should give it a try. I have found it to be a valuable addition to my PDF arsenal. -- Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox & Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm

On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 21:25:58 +0100, marc <nomail@be.com> wrote in soc.genealogy.computing: >Denis Beauregard wrote: > >> It is relatively easy to take a document and to print it to a PDF >> file. For example, I can read a text file and print it with >> LibreOffice. > > >There are cmds in linux that will: > >- make a jpg of every single page >OR >- extract images and construct eg a html with text around it. > >eg pdftohtml -c -p -dev jpeg Unfortunately, my Linux is somewhat outdated (2006) and has only pdftotext and pdftops. There is a bug in the configuration that is stopping updates (2 rules are not coherent and I am not enough familiar with Linux to change the files. I have an old Debian Linux. I tried to install a Kubuntu release but it doesn't detect the disk of my portable computer so that I can't refresh the Linux in it and it is my only Linux machine. >but, > >If you have ImageMagick it's easy as > >convert file.pdf file.jpg The ImageMagick I have (for Windows 7) can't read my PDF file. Perhaps I should update it. >http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/how-to-convert-pdf- >to-jpg-910611/ > >Online pdf to jpg: the cloud works for free: >http://pdf2jpg.net/ Files limited to 25 MB. Mine has 109 MB. But thanks to LibreOffice, I reduced it to the site limitation. However, the file I sent couldn't be converted. "An error occured. Please check that your PDF is valid and retry.". Anyway, I can read pages one by one and edit them from LibreOffice so I have something to do the job. Thanks anyway. Denis -- Denis Beauregard - généalogiste émérite (FQSG) Les Français d'Amérique du Nord - www.francogene.com/genealogie--quebec/ French in North America before 1722 - www.francogene.com/quebec--genealogy/ Sur cédérom à 1780 - On CD-ROM to 1780

Denis Beauregard wrote: > It is relatively easy to take a document and to print it to a PDF > file. For example, I can read a text file and print it with > LibreOffice. There are cmds in linux that will: - make a jpg of every single page OR - extract images and construct eg a html with text around it. eg pdftohtml -c -p -dev jpeg but, If you have ImageMagick it's easy as convert file.pdf file.jpg http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/how-to-convert-pdf- to-jpg-910611/ Online pdf to jpg: the cloud works for free: http://pdf2jpg.net/ -- -- What's on Shortwave guide: choose an hour, go! http://shortwave.tk 700+ Radio Stations on SW http://swstations.tk 300+ languages on SW http://radiolanguages.tk

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:45:36 -0500, Denis Beauregard <denis.b-at-francogene.com@fr.invalid> wrote: >On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:27:37 +0000, Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> >wrote in soc.genealogy.computing: > >>On 20 Nov at 1:13, Denis Beauregard >><denis.b-at-francogene.com@fr.invalid> wrote: >> >>> It is relatively easy to take a document and to print it to a PDF >>> file. For example, I can read a text file and print it with >>> LibreOffice. >>> >>> Now, I have a book scanned to a PDF file and I would like to extract >>> the images to enter them in an image processor so as to check each >>> entry in a list when I integrate the information into a database. >>> >>> I presume if I can print to a PDF file, then I can print to a JPG file >>> as well. >> >>Yes. But some programs do or allow this more easily than others. >> >>But scanning images and putting them into a PDF files is not the same as >>integrating the information into a database. You first have to extract >>the information from the images. OCR, Optical Character Readers, can do >>this but the accuracy is not 100% and if the book is old with variable >>print, the accuracy will be even less. > >My immediate need was for a series of records where some of them are >new, i.e. a list of burial records and for some of them, the church >record is lost. So in a first step, I check out the record from my >reference database, and then I add to my database the remaining >records. I don't want to scan them. > >I already did this when I was using Acrobat 5 which is not compatible >with the more record PDF format so I was looking for something to >do the same thing with Windows 7 and the new format. > > >Denis I have Acrobat 6 and it won't run in win 7 either, but runs fine in an XP window using windows virtual PC. I assume Acrobat 5 will extract the images easily, as does Acrobat 6.