David Harper <devnull@obliquity.u-net.com> writes: [snip] > ...since BMP is a proprietary Microsoft format which is not > recognised by many non-Microsoft web browsers. You're certain about bitmap format is proprietary to M$? Bitmaps are the lowest form of image format and have been in use since Bill Gates was in diapers.

Lesley Robertson wrote: > "david" <nospam@nospam274503> wrote in message > news:EfCdnQz5-dxGS7HanZ2dnUVZ8smgnZ2d@bt.com... > >> >> Thanks for the replies. I've been thinking about what I'd use the >> program >> for. At present I have census info stored in Word files like this - >> >> 1881 census >> Joe Bloggs Head 35 Plumber b London >> Mary Bloggs Wife 32 b Edinburgh >> Baby Boggs 5 mo b Bristol >> >> it's all in blocks, everyone in the household displayed together >> and tabulated. >> >> Is it possible to have this type of layout in a program such as FTM, >> Legacy and >> print it out in one batch, just the census info in one page? >> > The genealogy programmes are for connecting people into trees. I have > all my census data in databases where they're searchable. Where I want > to keep data the way you've specified (rarely) I put it in the Notes > section FTM has. Custodian 3 has been created as a database with many templates for this purpose http://www.custodian3.co.uk/ It will also index imported GEDCOM but not export gedcom which is why I don't use it Hugh W -- For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/ http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

Try Custodian 3 at http://www.custodian3.co.uk it's brilliant for storing your data whether it's Census or anything else !! You can download a trial to see what it can do. You can even set up your own subset databases for the special entries which haven't been covered. The entries in all the databases which number about 10 Access databases are saved in a main "names" database from which you can search for individual people. You can also import directly from a downloaded IGI file or 1881 Census File from Familysearch ... the same goes from VRI entries. Not associated with this product except as a very satisfied Customer ! regards Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.computing To: <gencmp@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Different version of FTM > "david" <nospam@nospam274503> wrote in message > news:EfCdnQz5-dxGS7HanZ2dnUVZ8smgnZ2d@bt.com... >> >> Thanks for the replies. I've been thinking about what I'd use the >> program >> for. At present I have census info stored in Word files like this - >> >> 1881 census >> Joe Bloggs Head 35 Plumber b London >> Mary Bloggs Wife 32 b Edinburgh >> Baby Boggs 5 mo b Bristol >> >> it's all in blocks, everyone in the household displayed together >> and tabulated. >> >> Is it possible to have this type of layout in a program such as FTM, >> Legacy and >> print it out in one batch, just the census info in one page? >> > The genealogy programmes are for connecting people into trees. I have all > my > census data in databases where they're searchable. Where I want to keep > data > the way you've specified (rarely) I put it in the Notes section FTM has. > Lesley Robertson > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENCMP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

On occasions when I ask somebody to send a scanned copy of a certificate they send it in a Word document. Whilst I can ask them to send it as an image file in many cases they simply don't know what they're doing so this is not always a solution. Does anybody know a method of copying the image from the Word doc whilst retaining its original quality, ie pixel size. You can tell in the Word doc that it is a high DPI image but getting it out of Word is the issue. When I change the File/Page setup to, for example A3, and then enlarge the image in Word to fit on the altered page size (and it looks good on-screen) if I then copy/paste to a graphics application sometimes only part of the certificate image is usually copied. Any hints, tip or thoughts appreciated. To date the best approach I've found is enlarging the page size in Word, enlarging the image in Word to suit the larger page and then printing the page as a PDF. Whilst this gives a significant saving in file size whilst still retaining a reasonable ability to zoom in where needed I would prefer to retain the image as an image file. -- Robert G. Eldridge Toronto NSW Australia http://www2.hunterlink.net.au/~ddrge/ Now researching ELDRIDGE families world wide 1000's at my Web site * Wanted * Any Eldridge related information

Robert: You lose quality (dpi) if you cut and paste from Word. A known trick is to save the file as a web page from within Word (most versions) and then locate the file for the image using Windows Explorer. William "Robert G. Eldridge" <robert.eldridge@hunterlink.net.au> wrote in message news:484qi3tda2fig1ictdt6a2f8m5r3k0dg8t@4ax.com... > On occasions when I ask somebody to send a scanned copy of a > certificate they send it in a Word document. > > Whilst I can ask them to send it as an image file in many cases they > simply don't know what they're doing so this is not always a solution. > > Does anybody know a method of copying the image from the Word doc > whilst retaining its original quality, ie pixel size. You can tell in > the Word doc that it is a high DPI image but getting it out of Word is > the issue. > > When I change the File/Page setup to, for example A3, and then enlarge > the image in Word to fit on the altered page size (and it looks good > on-screen) if I then copy/paste to a graphics application sometimes > only part of the certificate image is usually copied. > > Any hints, tip or thoughts appreciated. > > To date the best approach I've found is enlarging the page size in > Word, enlarging the image in Word to suit the larger page and then > printing the page as a PDF. Whilst this gives a significant saving in > file size whilst still retaining a reasonable ability to zoom in where > needed I would prefer to retain the image as an image file. > > -- > Robert G. Eldridge Toronto NSW Australia > http://www2.hunterlink.net.au/~ddrge/ > Now researching ELDRIDGE families world wide > 1000's at my Web site * Wanted * Any Eldridge related information

"david" <nospam@nospam274503> wrote in message news:EfCdnQz5-dxGS7HanZ2dnUVZ8smgnZ2d@bt.com... > > Thanks for the replies. I've been thinking about what I'd use the program > for. At present I have census info stored in Word files like this - > > 1881 census > Joe Bloggs Head 35 Plumber b London > Mary Bloggs Wife 32 b Edinburgh > Baby Boggs 5 mo b Bristol > > it's all in blocks, everyone in the household displayed together > and tabulated. > > Is it possible to have this type of layout in a program such as FTM, > Legacy and > print it out in one batch, just the census info in one page? > The genealogy programmes are for connecting people into trees. I have all my census data in databases where they're searchable. Where I want to keep data the way you've specified (rarely) I put it in the Notes section FTM has. Lesley Robertson

Robert G. Eldridge wrote: > On occasions when I ask somebody to send a scanned copy of a > certificate they send it in a Word document. > > Whilst I can ask them to send it as an image file in many cases they > simply don't know what they're doing so this is not always a solution. > > Does anybody know a method of copying the image from the Word doc > whilst retaining its original quality, ie pixel size. You can tell in > the Word doc that it is a high DPI image but getting it out of Word is > the issue. > > When I change the File/Page setup to, for example A3, and then enlarge > the image in Word to fit on the altered page size (and it looks good > on-screen) if I then copy/paste to a graphics application sometimes > only part of the certificate image is usually copied. > > Any hints, tip or thoughts appreciated. If the image is embedded in the document, then you can easily extract it using the following steps: 1. Open the Word document and locate the image. Click on the image and type Ctrl+C to copy it (or use the Copy option in the Edit menu). 2. Open the Paint application, which you can usually find under "Accessories" in the program list which appear when you click the Windows "Start" button at the bottom left of the screen. 3. In the Paint application window, type Ctrl+V to paste the image which you copied from Word (or use Paste in the Edit menu). You should now see the image in the Paint application window. You can save it as a BMP file (the default format in Paint) or as a JPEG or PNG, which may take less disk space. BMP and PNG formats retain the full detail of the original image, but at the cost of having a very large file, especially for a sheet of paper scanned at high resolution. JPEG files tend to be a lot smaller, which is important if you plan to email the image, for example, but with JPEG, you will lose a little of the fine detail. It's a trade-off. You can always save the image as a BMP, then save it again as a JPEG and compare the two to see whether the quality of ther JPEG version is acceptable for your purposes. If you plan to put the image on a web site, you will need to use either JPEG or PNG, since BMP is a proprietary Microsoft format which is not recognised by many non-Microsoft web browsers. Hope this helps. David Harper Cambridge, England

On Nov 3, 1:15 pm, "david" <nospam@nospam274503> wrote: > Is it possible to have this type of layout in a program such as FTM, Legacy > and > print it out in one batch, just the census info in one page? > > David Download and install Legacy and try out their print outs. The Standard Version is free.

Robert G. Eldridge wrote: > On occasions when I ask somebody to send a scanned copy of a > certificate they send it in a Word document. > > Whilst I can ask them to send it as an image file in many cases they > simply don't know what they're doing so this is not always a solution. > > Does anybody know a method of copying the image from the Word doc > whilst retaining its original quality, ie pixel size. You can tell in > the Word doc that it is a high DPI image but getting it out of Word is > the issue. > > When I change the File/Page setup to, for example A3, and then enlarge > the image in Word to fit on the altered page size (and it looks good > on-screen) if I then copy/paste to a graphics application sometimes > only part of the certificate image is usually copied. > > Any hints, tip or thoughts appreciated. > > To date the best approach I've found is enlarging the page size in > Word, enlarging the image in Word to suit the larger page and then > printing the page as a PDF. Whilst this gives a significant saving in > file size whilst still retaining a reasonable ability to zoom in where > needed I would prefer to retain the image as an image file. In MS Word save as a web page the images will be in the folder individually also works with emails Hugh W -- For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/ http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:46:18 +0000, Ian Goddard <goddai01@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >Terry Pinnell wrote: > >> >> Thanks. I certainly share your desire for consistency, and like you I >> would edit spelling, > >Why? > >The spelling is part of the original data. Edit it and you lose it. A >few days ago I came across a marriage record. The curate made out the >bride's surname as "Kaye". She signed as "Kay". This may be >significant in identifying the appropriate baptism. > >Surely accuracy is what matters. Consistency is false path. >Ian Of course he was speaking of data recorded by an individual, not original documents. Data recorded by individuals may, or may not, reflect original spelling. Hugh

david wrote: > "Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message > news:4ae43$47284e7e$83b4502b$13703@news2.tudelft.nl... > >>I have the impression that you're in the UK, in which case you may be able >>to still get the earlier versions of FTM at places such as PC World. I >>found copies at less than half price in a discount bin in Debenhams last >>summer. >>I'm using ver 2005 quite happily - have been with FTM since ver 4, tried >>others and gone back to it. Will not be going to 2008 as they've removed >>too many features I like. >>Try the free ones as well, such as Legacy. The main thing is that as long >>as whichever programme you choose can produce gedcom files (and you don't >>load the system with photos), if you then find another programme you like >>better, it will be easy to transfer your data. >>Lesley Robertson > > > Thanks for the replies. I've been thinking about what I'd use the program > for. At present I have census info stored in Word files like this - > > 1881 census > Joe Bloggs Head 35 Plumber b London > Mary Bloggs Wife 32 b Edinburgh > Baby Boggs 5 mo b Bristol > > it's all in blocks, everyone in the household displayed together > and tabulated. > > Is it possible to have this type of layout in a program such as FTM, Legacy > and > print it out in one batch, just the census info in one page? I just put that kind of thing in to the notes field I don't make print outs anymore i use worlconnect and genesreunited for sharing Hugh W -- For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/ http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message news:4ae43$47284e7e$83b4502b$13703@news2.tudelft.nl... > > I have the impression that you're in the UK, in which case you may be able > to still get the earlier versions of FTM at places such as PC World. I > found copies at less than half price in a discount bin in Debenhams last > summer. > I'm using ver 2005 quite happily - have been with FTM since ver 4, tried > others and gone back to it. Will not be going to 2008 as they've removed > too many features I like. > Try the free ones as well, such as Legacy. The main thing is that as long > as whichever programme you choose can produce gedcom files (and you don't > load the system with photos), if you then find another programme you like > better, it will be easy to transfer your data. > Lesley Robertson Thanks for the replies. I've been thinking about what I'd use the program for. At present I have census info stored in Word files like this - 1881 census Joe Bloggs Head 35 Plumber b London Mary Bloggs Wife 32 b Edinburgh Baby Boggs 5 mo b Bristol it's all in blocks, everyone in the household displayed together and tabulated. Is it possible to have this type of layout in a program such as FTM, Legacy and print it out in one batch, just the census info in one page? David

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:15:52 +0000, Terry Pinnell <terrypin@dial.pipex.com> wrote: >Eagle@roadrunner.com (J. Hugh Sullivan) wrote: > >>On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 19:24:29 +0000, Terry Pinnell >><terrypin@dial.pipex.com> wrote: >> >>>I'm returning tentatively to my family researching after a very long >>>break. Via the 'Hot Matches' facility of GenesReunited, I've >>>established a common ancestor in another GenesReunited tree. What is >>>the recommended procedure for adding that entire common branch into my >>>own tree please? Is it dependent on the other party first going to the >>>trouble of exporting that sections as a GEDCOM file, so that I can >>>then import it? Or is there some way I can achieve it without >>>troubling them? (I also suspect a good proportion of GenesReunited >>>users might have difficulty in doing this.) >>> >>>If it's relevant, I also have FTM 2006. >>> >>>I'd like to avoid manually adding every entry. >>> >>>Any advice would be appreciated please. >>> >>>-- >>>Terry, East Grinstead, UK >> >>This is the way I would do it - people are welcome to agree or >>disagree. >> >>No other person does his genealogy EXACTLY the way I do. Therefore I >>prefer to make all entries myself. Others have their own way of >>presenting names, locations and facts. I want my genealogy to be >>absolutely consistent. I don't like it when a state is spelled AL and >>Al and Ala and Alabama for example. I like county as Co., not County. >>Cemetery is Cem. There is no comma in Tuscaloosa AL. Those are a few >>nits I pick by choice. >> >>Also, I find that, by entering each name for myself, I tend to >>remember the names and perhaps even something about them. That is >>somewhat important to me. >> >>I presume you frequently back up data so it is unnecessary to remind >>you (even though I just did)! >> >>Hugh > >Thanks. I certainly share your desire for consistency, and like you I >would edit spelling, abbreviations, etc. But, assuming I'm confident >that the *relationships* are accurate below the common ancestor, then >I really do not want to enter scores of these again. I want to import >the structure and then edit each individual entry in FTM. > >-- >Terry, East Grinstead, UK May I then suggest that you import the file to a new data base, do your editing there, and only then import to your main data base. That may be your intent. Hugh

Terry Pinnell wrote: > > Thanks. I certainly share your desire for consistency, and like you I > would edit spelling, Why? The spelling is part of the original data. Edit it and you lose it. A few days ago I came across a marriage record. The curate made out the bride's surname as "Kaye". She signed as "Kay". This may be significant in identifying the appropriate baptism. Surely accuracy is what matters. Consistency is false path. -- Ian Hotmail is for spammers. Real mail address is igoddard at nildram co uk

Eagle@roadrunner.com (J. Hugh Sullivan) wrote: >On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 19:24:29 +0000, Terry Pinnell ><terrypin@dial.pipex.com> wrote: > >>I'm returning tentatively to my family researching after a very long >>break. Via the 'Hot Matches' facility of GenesReunited, I've >>established a common ancestor in another GenesReunited tree. What is >>the recommended procedure for adding that entire common branch into my >>own tree please? Is it dependent on the other party first going to the >>trouble of exporting that sections as a GEDCOM file, so that I can >>then import it? Or is there some way I can achieve it without >>troubling them? (I also suspect a good proportion of GenesReunited >>users might have difficulty in doing this.) >> >>If it's relevant, I also have FTM 2006. >> >>I'd like to avoid manually adding every entry. >> >>Any advice would be appreciated please. >> >>-- >>Terry, East Grinstead, UK > >This is the way I would do it - people are welcome to agree or >disagree. > >No other person does his genealogy EXACTLY the way I do. Therefore I >prefer to make all entries myself. Others have their own way of >presenting names, locations and facts. I want my genealogy to be >absolutely consistent. I don't like it when a state is spelled AL and >Al and Ala and Alabama for example. I like county as Co., not County. >Cemetery is Cem. There is no comma in Tuscaloosa AL. Those are a few >nits I pick by choice. > >Also, I find that, by entering each name for myself, I tend to >remember the names and perhaps even something about them. That is >somewhat important to me. > >I presume you frequently back up data so it is unnecessary to remind >you (even though I just did)! > >Hugh Thanks. I certainly share your desire for consistency, and like you I would edit spelling, abbreviations, etc. But, assuming I'm confident that the *relationships* are accurate below the common ancestor, then I really do not want to enter scores of these again. I want to import the structure and then edit each individual entry in FTM. -- Terry, East Grinstead, UK

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 19:24:29 +0000, Terry Pinnell <terrypin@dial.pipex.com> wrote: >I'm returning tentatively to my family researching after a very long >break. Via the 'Hot Matches' facility of GenesReunited, I've >established a common ancestor in another GenesReunited tree. What is >the recommended procedure for adding that entire common branch into my >own tree please? Is it dependent on the other party first going to the >trouble of exporting that sections as a GEDCOM file, so that I can >then import it? Or is there some way I can achieve it without >troubling them? (I also suspect a good proportion of GenesReunited >users might have difficulty in doing this.) > >If it's relevant, I also have FTM 2006. > >I'd like to avoid manually adding every entry. > >Any advice would be appreciated please. > >-- >Terry, East Grinstead, UK This is the way I would do it - people are welcome to agree or disagree. No other person does his genealogy EXACTLY the way I do. Therefore I prefer to make all entries myself. Others have their own way of presenting names, locations and facts. I want my genealogy to be absolutely consistent. I don't like it when a state is spelled AL and Al and Ala and Alabama for example. I like county as Co., not County. Cemetery is Cem. There is no comma in Tuscaloosa AL. Those are a few nits I pick by choice. Also, I find that, by entering each name for myself, I tend to remember the names and perhaps even something about them. That is somewhat important to me. I presume you frequently back up data so it is unnecessary to remind you (even though I just did)! Hugh

On Nov 3, 10:15 am, Terry Pinnell <terry...@dial.pipex.com> wrote: > Ea...@roadrunner.com (J. Hugh Sullivan) wrote: > > > > > > >On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 19:24:29 +0000, Terry Pinnell > ><terry...@dial.pipex.com> wrote: > > >>I'm returning tentatively to my family researching after a very long > >>break. Via the 'Hot Matches' facility of GenesReunited, I've > >>established a common ancestor in another GenesReunited tree. What is > >>the recommended procedure for adding that entire common branch into my > >>own tree please? Is it dependent on the other party first going to the > >>trouble of exporting that sections as a GEDCOM file, so that I can > >>then import it? Or is there some way I can achieve it without > >>troubling them? (I also suspect a good proportion of GenesReunited > >>users might have difficulty in doing this.) > > >>If it's relevant, I also have FTM 2006. > > >>I'd like to avoid manually adding every entry. > > >>Any advice would be appreciated please. > > >>-- > >>Terry, East Grinstead, UK > > >This is the way I would do it - people are welcome to agree or > >disagree. > > >No other person does his genealogy EXACTLY the way I do. Therefore I > >prefer to make all entries myself. Others have their own way of > >presenting names, locations and facts. I want my genealogy to be > >absolutely consistent. I don't like it when a state is spelled AL and > >Al and Ala and Alabama for example. I like county as Co., not County. > >Cemetery is Cem. There is no comma in Tuscaloosa AL. Those are a few > >nits I pick by choice. > > >Also, I find that, by entering each name for myself, I tend to > >remember the names and perhaps even something about them. That is > >somewhat important to me. > > >I presume you frequently back up data so it is unnecessary to remind > >you (even though I just did)! > > >Hugh > > Thanks. I certainly share your desire for consistency, and like you I > would edit spelling, abbreviations, etc. But, assuming I'm confident > that the *relationships* are accurate below the common ancestor, then > I really do not want to enter scores of these again. I want to import > the structure and then edit each individual entry in FTM. > > -- > Terry, East Grinstead, UK- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - The least work for them would be if they would send a complete GEDCOM and you create a new family file. Then take out what you want. Using the tag feature I have found it is quite easy in Legacy but can be difficult with other programs.

Terry Pinnell wrote: > I'm returning tentatively to my family researching after a very long > break. Via the 'Hot Matches' facility of GenesReunited, I've > established a common ancestor in another GenesReunited tree. What is > the recommended procedure for adding that entire common branch into my > own tree please? Is it dependent on the other party first going to the > trouble of exporting that sections as a GEDCOM file, so that I can > then import it? Or is there some way I can achieve it without > troubling them? (I also suspect a good proportion of GenesReunited > users might have difficulty in doing this.) > > If it's relevant, I also have FTM 2006. > > I'd like to avoid manually adding every entry. > > Any advice would be appreciated please. > only do it after you have edited the imported tree down to one common ancestor and BACK UP YOUR MASTER FILE FIRST Hugh W -- For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/ http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

I'm returning tentatively to my family researching after a very long break. Via the 'Hot Matches' facility of GenesReunited, I've established a common ancestor in another GenesReunited tree. What is the recommended procedure for adding that entire common branch into my own tree please? Is it dependent on the other party first going to the trouble of exporting that sections as a GEDCOM file, so that I can then import it? Or is there some way I can achieve it without troubling them? (I also suspect a good proportion of GenesReunited users might have difficulty in doing this.) If it's relevant, I also have FTM 2006. I'd like to avoid manually adding every entry. Any advice would be appreciated please. -- Terry, East Grinstead, UK

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:47:21 -0700, grahambt@gmail.com wrote: >> barkomatic wrote: >> Is there any genealogy program, other than Family Tree Maker, that >> will produce an All-in-one tree diagram? >> If so, can the tree be exported as a graphic file? > >Check out Family Tree Factory >www.familytreefactory.com >< $40 US > >Large format PDF output. >Options to split tree into manageable sections. >Also EMF vector graphic files of tree structures if required. >(EMF's Paste into documents). > >Here is a sample: >http://tinyurl.com/2xjt9b/JohnHadden.pdf > >There are options for individual photographs, background textures, >coat of arms etc. >Example shown is a simple version. >Other options shown on the FTF website. >----------------------------- >Barry Graham >Melbourne, Australia It's a nice looking report, however, what I'm looking for may not be part of your program. For instance, in the example you provided, I would also want Edwin Burton Lambert's parents and siblings to be on the same report, and Walter Harold Broadbridge's parents and siblings, etc. I have a file with somewhere around 9,000 individuals.