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    1. MI5 Persecution: Faxes Sent to Media1 (4937)
    2. Faxes Sent to British Media logs During the 1998-2000 period my records indicate that I sent at least 6,137 faxes to the British media, of which 5,775 went via TPC's email-to-fax service and 362 were sent via fax-modem direct from my computer. The actual figure is obviously higher since, for most of this period, whenever a recipient asked to be deleted from my mailing list, I totally wiped all entries including that from the logfile. In the records "Y" indicates successful transmission from fax-modem, "N" indicates failed transmission from fax-modem. "E" indicates an error occurred while transmitting via fax-modem and a fax may have been only partly transmitted. "y" and "n" indicate success or failure via TPC. In April 2000 I changed the method of operation by recording "R" when a recipient requested removal, rather than wiping their details from my mailing list and records; and keeping "B" records for when TPC actioned a ban on a recipient's fax-number, but the recipient did not write to ask me to cease faxing. The purpose of these changes was to keep more accurate and complete records, but the intention was thwarted by the police complaint. Also in April 2000, I added some further fax numbers to my media mailing list and records, which is why some of the faxnumbers below have only a single entry, and some indeed have none. 441132420652 yyyyyYyyyyyyyyyyyyy 441132439387 yyyyyYyyynyyyyyyyy 441132445107 yyyyyYyyyyyynyyyyyy 441132455139 n 441132460037 yyyyyYyyyyyyyyyyyyy 441132461105 yyyyyYyyynyyynnnnnn 441132836586 yyyyyYynyyyyyyyyyyy 441142664375 nnyyyyYyyyyyyyyyyyy 441142769089 yyyyyyYyyyynnnyyyyyy 441142853159 yyyyyYyyynyynyyyyy 441159012850 y 441159363497 n 441159420433 ynnnnYyynnyyyyyyyyy 441159455243 n 441159527001 ynyyyYynnyyynnyynny 441159550552 yyyyyYyyyyyyynnnnn 441159822568 n 441162311123 y 441162511463 yyyyyYyyyyyyyyyyyyy 441162512151 yyyyyYyyyyyyyyyyyyy 441162512979 n 441162561303 yyyyyYyyyyyyyyyynB 441162640948 yyyyyYyyyyyyyyyyyyn 441162667776 yyyyyyyYyyyyyyyyyyyyy 441179226744 n 441179238323 yyyyyNynyyyyyyyyyy 441179279568 n 441179298612 yyyynYyyyyyynnnnnn 441179317463 y 441179722400 yyyyyyyYyyyyyyyyyyyyyy 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    11/18/2007 08:18:29
    1. MI5 Persecution: Introduction to Sent Faxes (587)
    2. Introduction to the Sent Faxes webpages Between 1998 and April/2000 I sent some thirty articles on the subject of the MI5 Persecution to British politicians, media, legal and diplomatic entities in the UK. Of those articles 24 are reproduced on this part of the website. They were originally composed as Microsoft Word documents, and saved to HTML form for publication here. A few of them were slightly edited in format for readability. You will see that these articles cover quite comprehensively what has been going on since 1990, there being quite a lot of material to cover, since it is a rare week that goes by without MI5 making some harassing or threatening action against me. "How could it be True?"... they use the mental illness which they induced in me as a ready explanation for my complaints. Who started it, why did it start, why it continues... these faxed articles provide examination in more depth of the treatment in the Frequently Asked Questions webpages. The sheer meaninglessness of the Secret Police actions is highlighted; their operatives make their livelihoods by cynically exploiting the taxpayers, when in a more responsible country they would be looking at the inside of prison cells. The validity of this observation is proven by their reaction to my several suggestions in the articles that I would cease sending faxes if MI5's agents (and it's always the same people doing the persecution) desisted from continually harassing me. A number of times, you will see in the faxed articles, I have suggested that we come to a "peace of mind agreement" where I cease complaining and they cease harassing. On one occasion, I wrote to Hugh S.-W., the director of OCTS where I was employed in 1992-94 and who is aware of the circumstances, asking that he intercede to bring this matter to a close, by initiating a meeting between myself and the persecutors to mutually settle our differences; he didn't reply, but MI5 did soon after - they said "This is what you wanted, wasn't it?, some sort of confrontation?". The reality is the people stalking me are not interested in any settlement; for them crime pays, and pays handsomely; moreover it is State-approved crime; the Police will never investigate or take action; it is corruption on an incredible level and scale, and it has gone on for over a decade. You will see that the articles contain three elements; firstly, there are original written articles, many in the first half of 1999 when I was writing new articles every week and sending them by email and fax during the weekend; then there are "MI5 Persecution Update" articles, which list happenings recent to a particular transmission; and finally there is the "old faithful" Frequently Asked Questions article which was sent on a few occasions during the three year period. These articles generated a number of interesting responses from politicians and other recipients, many of which are documented in the "received faxes" area of these webpages. I hope you enjoy reading these articles. I'm not as angry as these articles necessarily make out, only sometimes, usually soon after the persecutors have said something unpleasant at me; the purpose of putting lots of fire and ire into the mix is to try to chuck it into the public domain which might lead to MI5 being forced to curb their actions. Unfortunately that aim was not achieved, despite many, many thousands of faxes being sent. Also, if any policemen are reading this, then I'm (a bit) sorry about the rude things I said about "the Bill" in one or two of the articles; the police have never done me any harm (yet) by commission, only by omission of doing anything to investigate my complaints or treat them seriously. 587 -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access

    11/18/2007 05:31:46
    1. Re: digital photo problem
    2. singhals
    3. john wrote: > john wrote: > >> singhals wrote: >> >>> SNIP >> >> >>> EXCELLENT Idea. >>> >>> http://bottonycross.purpleflowers.net/birthday/ >>> >>> Birthday6 is the cake picture and the one I'm most interested in >>> getting cleaned up. The burning candles "flare" :( The flash failed >>> to function at all. >>> >>> Birthday15 would be nice to have, and is offered in case someone >>> wants to try their hand there too. The flash was early. >>> >>> The camera was a fairly inexpensive one meant for point'n'shoot which >>> is my style with pictures. It had been working fine up until the day >>> these were taken when it began eating a battery an hour. It _has_ >>> been replaced. (g) >>> >>> Cheryl >> >> >> They do not look like they are the original picture files as they came >> out of the camera. >> You have renamed them - did you do that in an image editing program - >> if so they've possibly be compressed. The file sizes are extremely >> small. Have you resized them or done anything else to them. >> Can you replace these with the original files? > > > Even the originals aren't of very high quality! > > I found a little bit of colour in the cake (but possibly not the correct > colour) Any hints as to the correct colours and it might be possible to > do a bit more but there is very little detail and the candle flare has > burnt out most detail > http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/elsiesphotos/IMG_0182a.jpg > http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/elsiesphotos/IMG_0190a.jpg Thanks. The colors look pretty good on the cake ... b'lieve the writing was pink and the edging a darkish green. If you're playing with it, though, the cake is more important than the people (or the suit of armor!). > > I did this to the original cake photo before I noticed it wasn't the > original - but there is even less detail because of the candle brightness. > http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/elsiesphotos/birthday6a.jpg > > If you want to e-mail me any others I'll have a quick look at them. Thanks. Cheryl

    11/18/2007 04:59:28
    1. Re: digital photo problem
    2. singhals
    3. Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:29:48 -0500, singhals <singhals@erols.com> > declaimed the following in soc.genealogy.computing: > > >>Sorry! I didn't notice the file size, just picked the image >>names I recognized. The image directly from the camera card >>is now up. >> > > Ah, now that's somewhat better... The image range did go down into > real black, though the second one only had the overblown highlights > exceed ~50% grey level. > > No noticeable JPEG artifacting, but the camera sensor noise starts > to show up (the "stucco" texture seen in areas of solid color)... I also > can't do anything about motion blur... > > http://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/IMG_0182.png The woman in the yellow jacket has a suit of armor over her shoulder. (g) > http://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/IMG_0190.png The sconce on the upper center-left wall didn't help either! Thanks, Dennis. I DO appreciate your efforts here! Cheryl

    11/18/2007 04:48:51
    1. Re: digital photo problem
    2. john
    3. john wrote: > singhals wrote: > >> SNIP > >> EXCELLENT Idea. >> >> http://bottonycross.purpleflowers.net/birthday/ >> >> Birthday6 is the cake picture and the one I'm most interested in >> getting cleaned up. The burning candles "flare" :( The flash failed >> to function at all. >> >> Birthday15 would be nice to have, and is offered in case someone wants >> to try their hand there too. The flash was early. >> >> The camera was a fairly inexpensive one meant for point'n'shoot which >> is my style with pictures. It had been working fine up until the day >> these were taken when it began eating a battery an hour. It _has_ >> been replaced. (g) >> >> Cheryl > > They do not look like they are the original picture files as they came > out of the camera. > You have renamed them - did you do that in an image editing program - if > so they've possibly be compressed. The file sizes are extremely small. > Have you resized them or done anything else to them. > Can you replace these with the original files? Even the originals aren't of very high quality! I found a little bit of colour in the cake (but possibly not the correct colour) Any hints as to the correct colours and it might be possible to do a bit more but there is very little detail and the candle flare has burnt out most detail http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/elsiesphotos/IMG_0182a.jpg http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/elsiesphotos/IMG_0190a.jpg I did this to the original cake photo before I noticed it wasn't the original - but there is even less detail because of the candle brightness. http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/elsiesphotos/birthday6a.jpg If you want to e-mail me any others I'll have a quick look at them.

    11/18/2007 02:58:17
    1. MI5 Persecution: Bernard Levin - The Times (31037)
    2. Fanatic's Fare for the Common Man Certainty level: 90% The article reproduced below was penned by Bernard Levin for the Features section of the Times on 21 September 1991. To my mind, it described the situation at the time and in particular a recent meeting with a friend, during which I for the first time admitted to someone other than my GP that I had been subjected to a conspiracy of harassment over the previous year and a half. There is a madman running loose about London, called David Campbell; I have no reason to believe that he is violent, but he should certainly be approached with caution. You may know him by the curious glitter in his eyes and a persistent trembling of his hands; if that does not suffice, you will find him attempting to thrust no fewer than 48 books into your arms, all hardbacks, with a promise that, if you should return to the same meeting-place next year, he will heave another 80 at you. If, by now, the police have arrived and are keeping a close watch on him, you may feel sufficiently emboldened to examine the books. The jackets are a model of uncluttered typography, elegantly and simply laid out; there is an unobtrusive colophon of a rising sun, probably not picked at random. Gaining confidence - the lunatic is smiling by now, and the policemen, who know about such things, have significantly removed their helmets - you could do worse than take the jacket off the first book in the pile. The only word possible to describe the binding is sumptuous; real cloth in a glorious shade of dark green, with the title and author in black and gold on the spine. Look at it more closely; your eyes do not deceive you - it truly does have real top-bands and tail-bands, in yellow, and, for good measure, a silk marker ribbon in a lighter green. The paper is cream-wove and acid-free, and the book is sewn, not glued. Throughout the encounter, I should have mentioned, our loony has been chattering away, although what he is trying to say is almost impossible to understand; after a time, however, he becomes sufficiently coherent to make clear that he is trying to sell the books to you. Well, now, such quality in bookmaking today can only be for collectors' limited editions at a fearsome price - £30, £40, £50? No, no, he says, the glitter more powerful than ever and the trembling of his hands rapidly spreading throughout his entire body; no, no - the books are priced variously at £7, £8 or £9, with the top price £12. At this, the policemen understandably put their helmets back on; one of them draws his truncheon and the other can be heard summoning reinforcements on his walkie-talkie. The madman bursts into tears, and swears it is all true. And it is. David Campbell has acquired the entire rights to the whole of the Everyman's Library, which died a lingering and shameful death a decade or so ago, and he proposes to start it all over again - 48 volumes this September and 80 more next year, in editions I have described, at the prices specified. He proposes to launch his amazing venture simultaneously in Britain and the United States, with the massive firepower of Random Century at his back in this country, and the dashing cavalry of Knopf across the water, and no one who loves literature and courage will forbear to cheer. At the time this article was written I had believed for some time that columnists in the Times and other journalists had been making references to my situation. Nothing unusual about this you may think, plenty of people have the same sort of ideas and obviously the papers aren't writing about them, so why should my beliefs not be as false as those of others? What makes this article so extraordinary is that three or four days immediately preceding its publication, I had a meeting with a friend, during the course of which we discussed the media persecution, and in particular that by Times columnists. It seemed to me, reading the article by Levin in Saturday’s paper, that he was describing in some detail his "artist’s impression" of that meeting. Most telling are the final sentences, when he writes, "The madman bursts into tears, and swears it is all true. And it is." Although I did not "burst into tears" (he seems to be using a bit of poetic licence and exaggerating) I did try hard to convince my friend that it was all true; and I am able to concur with Mr Levin, because, of course, it is. At the beginning of the piece Levin reveals a fear of being attacked by the "irrational" subject of his story, saying "I have no reason to believe that he is violent, but he should certainly be approached with caution". This goes back to the xenophobic propaganda of "defence" against a "threat" which was seen at the very beginning of the harassment. The impression of a "madman running loose" who needs to be controlled through an agency which assigns to itself the mantle of the "police" is also one which had been expressed elsewhere. In the final paragraph of this extract, his reference to Everyman’s Library as having "died a lingering and shameful death a decade or so ago" shows clearly what sort of conclusion they wish to their campaign. They want a permanent solution, and as they are prevented from achieving that solution directly, they waste significant resources on methods which have been repeatedly shown to be ineffective for such a purpose. 31037 -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access

    11/18/2007 12:42:20
    1. MI5 Persecution: Barbican Library 6/2/2003 (28862)
    2. Barbican Library - 6/Feb/2003 Certainty level: 100% Here's an item from early February 2003, at which time Security Service were re-igniting hostilities against me, a direct result of my appeal for a legal hearing against their organisation. On Thursday 6/Feb/2003 I went to the Barbican in central London with my mother to visit the library and have a meal. Security Service naturally knew about it because it had been mentioned the previous day in our house which is under constant surveillance on grounds of "National Security", so they may have been able to inform staff there to say something to me, as has been done elsewhere. Two of the people at the Enquiries desk in the library obviously knew of my circumstances, I spoke to one of them who was very polite, and while I was waiting I heard the other speaking with a little less politeness, as recorded on this audio file. He said, "I spy", to start a game of guess what "I spy"; unsubtle, MI5 Spy. Then, at the 34 second mark on this clip he said; "So obvious you couldn't even get that. I shall have to kill you. ha, ha, ha" The words "I shall have to kill you" are interesting because such overt expression is rarely heard. Security Service wish me extinct. Some years ago they were openly shouting "suicide" at me, so that is established. But there is an element of doublethink in their attitude; they use people's natural prejudice against mentally ill, who are popularly painted by media as being aggressive, to try to tinge the group's view of me and MI5's actions against me. The Security Service religion is that the country's enemies are deadly, and must therefore be extinguished. Hence, we must seize eagerly upon the disabled schizophrenic from Clapham, and throttle him, because who knows what'll happen if we don't. There may be a subtle agenda of population control in what the Security Service have been doing in this country since 1990. In the current issue of 2600 Magazine (the Hacker quarterly, which I read from time to time) there is a quote from Hermann Goering on page 2; "the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked. It works the same in any country". 2600 printed the quote as a comment on the projected war against Iraq, which does not appear to pose any threat to the territory of those countries which wish to invade it. However the quote is somewhat relevant to my case, which is widely known about within Britain; the security service instructs all right thinking citizens to do MI5's bidding and band together against a common enemy, while at the same time there is a suggestion of "look what'll happen to you if you don't obey us". 28862 -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access

    11/17/2007 09:33:48
    1. MI5 Persecution: Eclipse pub 20/12/02 (26687)
    2. Eclipse pub in Balham (20/Dec/2002) Certainty level: 70% On Friday 20/December/2002 I went to Balham to do some shopping and eating. When I went into the Eclipse pub for a meal there were two girls already at the bar being server, I ordered and sat down near the window. They sat down at the opposite window seat, out of sight. After a few minutes they started screaming repetitively "section, section". They were reading something and were trying to pretend that they were just repeating from what they were reading, but in reality it was quite obvious they were talking about me, specifically to confinement under mental health. As you can guess the behaviour of these unwise young things shows them to be from the underprivileged category which due to the natural laws of society is seldom seen in the better classes of restaurant - the McDonald's next door is their more usual habitat. My guess is that these two females were deliberately placed in the Eclipse with orders to be offensive to me personally. The alternative would be that no-one had ordered them and they were just being rude on their own account, but that is improbable, for two reasons; first, I was out of sight of them and one does not usually "pick on" a person one cannot see; secondly, there had that afternoon in Balham been other, less distinct incidents immediately preceding this, and it is inferable that MI5 were making quite a serious effort to create a physical incident, as they have done on numerous occasions previously. I give my interpretation a two in three chance of validity. 26687 -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access

    11/17/2007 06:52:16
    1. Re: digital photo problem
    2. Kurt
    3. "singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message news:or6dnSAns-O_h6PanZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@rcn.net... > Kurt wrote: > > > "singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message > > news:OvWdnQzTU8o5LKHanZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@rcn.net... > > > >>It was one of those once-in-a-lifetime days, and of course > >>my digital camera chose to malfunction. The flash worked > >>when it felt like it and not otherwise. > >> > >>So, I have several photos of a cake with burning candles, > >>except the flash decided there was enough light that it > >>didn't have to exert itself. > >> > >>Anyone with any suggestions what I need to adjust to be able > >>to see the cake rather than the bonfires? > >> > >>Thanks! > >> > >>Cheryl > > > > > > On my camera I can chose to make the flash compulsory. > > It must be a general function, unless you have an extremely cheap > > camera. > > The camera had the ability, but it malfunctioned. I > wouldn't have called it Cheap, but it was low-end for my > convenience ... I like being able to shoot without fussing > with all the dials. Cheryl, I didnŽt mean to offend you. I also have a camera without a lot of dials. I simply want to take pictures as easy as possible. That means there are pictures I canŽt take, due to the limitations in the camera. Kurt F

    11/17/2007 03:04:15
    1. Re: digital photo problem
    2. tim sewell
    3. "singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote > tim sewell wrote: >> Cheryl, >> >> Try posting the image(s) on one of the image hosting sites (eg fotopic), >> then post the relevant URL here and wait... >> >> You may well end up with a surfeit of (visible) Birthday Cake. :-) >> > > EXCELLENT Idea. > > http://bottonycross.purpleflowers.net/birthday/ > > Birthday6 is the cake picture and the one I'm most interested in getting > cleaned up. The burning candles "flare" :( The flash failed to function > at all. > > Birthday15 would be nice to have, and is offered in case someone wants to > try their hand there too. The flash was early. > Well, that just might have been an "Excellent Idea"..... I have tried to enhance/improve both photos, but am not at all proud of the results. They are definitely not fit for general publication. :-( If the 'system' permits, I will try to send them privately. -- Cheers, Tim S. (please delete myfairlyobviousspamtrap if you wish to reply directly)

    11/17/2007 12:16:11
    1. MI5 Persecution: tinker tailor wanker thief 2/12/00 (20162)
    2. Crescent Grove, Clapham Common (2/Dec/2000) Certainty level: 100% This is one of those clips where I am absolutely, 100% certain it's inflicted by MI5 on me, because of background, context. On Saturday 2 December 2000, I was walking from my home to a pub on Clapham Common, and on the way was in proximity to a group of three English youths who were walking the other way. They turned from the main road into a private estate called Crescent Grove. Here is what they said; (first youth) "He masturbates!" (his mate responds) "Yeah, he masturbates!" (and again) "Thief!" There is a lot of context associated with this incident, which I will now relate. Firstly, the verbal sexual abuse is a popular one with MI5, and as a statement about me is currently mostly in their imaginations. The accusation has to be seen relative to MI5's persecutory actions in late November and early December 2000, and in fact for some months leading up to this. Their relevant activities in June 2000 are documented in a message in this evidence item; following from that, they sent someone to simulate an act in front of my window, which was captured on film. It is the publication of the video of their agent performing the act on himself which caused MI5 to restart this thread of harassment in the first few days of December 2000. But there are some subtleties; I uploaded the digitised video to this website on 26/November/2000; but I did not announce its existence on the newsgroups until Sunday 3/December/2000. These youths' slur was made the previous day, on Saturday 2/Dec. That tells us quite a lot. According to my website logs, there were no accesses to the video file before Sunday 3/Dec. So why did MI5 restart this particular thread of abuse, before their agent's activities were published on the newsgroup? The conclusion we reach is that they were watching my internet connection, either decoding the telephone line, or at the ISP; and/or they may be able to physically see what is on my notebook computer's screen, from RF transmissions from its VGA circuitry. I do not know whether the latter is technically feasible, but the former certainly is, and I have known for years that MI5 bugs my internet activities and phone calls. It is from their observation of my internet connection that they were able to tell, without accessing the video file over the net, that it was of their agent in a compromising position; and it was from that observation that their shouted slur on 2/Dec emanates. The second accusation, "Thief!", is even more interesting. It relates to occurrences from June of 2000, some six months before these youths threw the word at me. It shows just how wide in reach geographically and temporally the MI5 persecution is; they react to something which happened half a year previously. In the first half of 2000, MI5 made a determined assault on my friendships. In one particular case, that of A. whom I had known for virtually all my life, they partly succeeded. This person made pointed references to me which made it clear he knew what was happening; at one point he started asking "do you know anything about the FBI and the CIA". In June 2000, we went to see a film in the West End. I paid for both of us, and then asked him to return what I had paid for his ticket, some £7.50. He was reluctant to do so. Eventually he returned £5, settling for the lesser gain of £2.50. I did not call him a thief to his face, but I may have spoken the word while I was at home, either conscious or in my sleep. MI5 have very tight control over everything I do and say in my home through their bugs; if I say anything against someone in "their" camp, they turn round the accusation against me. So, from the fact that A. tried to garner a few pounds at my expense, MI5 create the accusation, six months later..... "thief!". 20162 -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access

    11/17/2007 11:06:16
    1. Re: THANKSGIVING: Living Family and Fun Portal with Genealogy and Family History Ties
    2. Dave Hinz
    3. On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:36:35 -0800 (PST), vctinney@sbcglobal.net <vctinney@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Respectfully yours, > Tom Tinney, Sr. Why is it I've killfiled you a dozen times, yet you keep showing up? Could it be that you know people programatically ignore you, and nym-shift to temporarily evade same? What possible benefit could you have from doing same?

    11/17/2007 10:40:14
    1. MI5 Persecution: Clapham Junction 6/5/00 (15812)
    2. Clapham Junction (6/May/2000) Certainty level: 60% On Saturday 6 May 2000, I was in Clapham Junction, shopping and visiting the library. At precisely 12:29pm, the above audio clip was recorded, in front of Arding and Hobbs department store. One girl was saying to her friend, "He's a homosexual, they can say whatever they want." There are several reasons why I think this comment might be about me. Firstly, temporal proximity to other such incidents. The persecution had restarted about two to three days before this clip was recorded. Cause of restart unknown. Personally I think it's because I was going on holiday to France the following Monday - MI5 do like to take holidays abroad at the taxpayer's expense, and inventing reasons to resurrect their hate campaign just before I go on holiday is something they've done before. Secondly, although I am not gay, they have used such references against me before. At Oxford Computer Group in 1994, manager Steve Mitchell simultaneously abused me and another employee but saying we were "of a similar bent". Such insults show latent or quite overt homosexuality on the part of the abuser. Thirdly, the sort of people who abuse on the basis of mental illness are the same people who abuse others on the basis of sexuality, race, religion, etc. If they can abuse a disabled man, then they will surely do so based on the other criteria mentioned. There is still some room for doubt, though, which is why I have assigned this recording a certainty level of only slightly above evens. But "they can say whatever they want" is what gives the game away; they just choose a differentiating feature on which to base their abuse; and if one such feature gets too boring ("we've called him a nutter for the last ten years so now we'll call him something else") then they invent a different lie to throw at me. 15812 -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access

    11/17/2007 06:40:40
    1. MI5 Persecution: Clapham South 17/2/00 (13637)
    2. Clapham South (17/Feb/2000) Certainty level: 100% In February 2000, MI5's hate campaign against me was in full swing. They sent people into the road where I live in south London, to swear at me and abuse me as I was leaving or returning home. One such instance is recorded on the above audio file. On Thursday 17 February 2000, I had just left my home, en route for Croydon, when two youths approached, going in the other direction. One of them said with a smile on his face something which I didn't recognize, and still don't understand despite it being on this audio clip. His demeanour made it clear his statement was directed at me. I coughed, and in response to that, he continued his insult, calling me a "wanker", which is very clearly recorded on this audio clip. Two days later, in the very early morning of Sunday 20 February 2000, MI5 inflicted another insult against me just outside my house, when, returning from Croydon, two youths approached (MI5 agents always go in packs of at least two - they're too cowardly to go anywhere on their own) and one of them said quietly and bitterly to the other that "he's shitty, very shitty". It is still comparatively rare for MI5 to send people to my house, or to my road, to harass me. Usually they know where I'm going to, since they have bugs on my phone and in each room of my house; and they send people to that location, or on the train or tube getting there. 13637 -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access

    11/17/2007 05:04:17
    1. MI5 Persecution: Balham Bus 8/7/99 (11462)
    2. Balham - LT bus (8/July/1999) Certainty level: 90% I am very sure about this one. I got back from holidays on Wednesday. There were two incidents, both on the tube, on the way back from the airport. There was a further incident the following day, Thursday, on the bus (the 155 I think) in Balham, where two girls started spouting abuse about "crazy", etc. Naturally I had my minidisc with me and was able to record their words. The cynical reader might think my demeanour or behaviour had given rise to the taunts of "crazy" recorded above. But I assure you my behaviour on the bus would not have made anyone think I was ill; and the taunts the previous day were the same sexual words as previously; so I'm quite sure that these incidents are either deliberately staged, or indicative of an overall high level of awareness among the London public, particularly in the part of London where I live. 11462 -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access

    11/17/2007 03:41:57
    1. Re: digital photo problem
    2. singhals
    3. Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:27:47 -0500, singhals <singhals@erols.com> > declaimed the following in soc.genealogy.computing: > > > >>Birthday6 is the cake picture and the one I'm most >>interested in getting cleaned up. The burning candles >>"flare" :( The flash failed to function at all. >> > > I don't think there is much that can be done for the flare... > Digital has an dynamic range similar to slide film -- narrower than the > range of negative film. > > I'm not an expert at Photoshop, but I can't really do anything with > that image -- among other matters, it is overly compressed, and any > adjustments start to show the JPEG compression artifacts. > > I can bring the shadows to true black, but that actually makes most > of the image much darker. There is NO detail in the area of the cake to > be brought out. I've tried both "levels" and "curves" > > >>Birthday15 would be nice to have, and is offered in case >>someone wants to try their hand there too. The flash was early. >> > > Still can't do anything with the blown out high-lights, but based on > both images, the camera is not capable of creating a true black (both > had the darkest pixels at about 33% up in the scale from black to > white). > > About 5 minutes with each, and the best I could come up with is: > > http://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/birthday15.png > http://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/birthday6.png > > (Even these are showing JPEG compression artifacts -- I can't believe > ANY camera does that much compression... did you recompress them for > posting?) Sorry! I didn't notice the file size, just picked the image names I recognized. The image directly from the camera card is now up. Cheryl

    11/17/2007 03:29:48
    1. Re: digital photo problem
    2. john
    3. singhals wrote: > SNIP > EXCELLENT Idea. > > http://bottonycross.purpleflowers.net/birthday/ > > Birthday6 is the cake picture and the one I'm most interested in getting > cleaned up. The burning candles "flare" :( The flash failed to > function at all. > > Birthday15 would be nice to have, and is offered in case someone wants > to try their hand there too. The flash was early. > > The camera was a fairly inexpensive one meant for point'n'shoot which is > my style with pictures. It had been working fine up until the day these > were taken when it began eating a battery an hour. It _has_ been > replaced. (g) > > Cheryl They do not look like they are the original picture files as they came out of the camera. You have renamed them - did you do that in an image editing program - if so they've possibly be compressed. The file sizes are extremely small. Have you resized them or done anything else to them. Can you replace these with the original files?

    11/17/2007 02:49:27
    1. THANKSGIVING: Living Family and Fun Portal with Genealogy and Family History Ties
    2. THANKSGIVING: Living Family and Fun Portal with Genealogy and Family History Ties http://www.academic-genealogy.com/livingfamilyfun.htm Strengthen family ties with fun times, shopping, finances, home life, working, education, recreation and social interactions. The genealogy and history of products and services used in the various aspects of daily family living are included throughout this site. Eating and Food includes The FOOD Museum and Food History-Science Tracer Bullet. http://www.academic-genealogy.com/livingfamilyfun.htm#Eating Auto Resources & Vehicles includes Automotive History and Driver's License. http://www.academic-genealogy.com/livingfamilyfun.htm#Auto Consumer concerns includes Underwriters Laboratories Inc., trusted source across the globe for product compliance. http://www.academic-genealogy.com/livingfamilyfun.htm#Consumer Marriage & Family Ties includes retirement and extended family (links that bind), from the beginning (true love). http://www.academic-genealogy.com/livingfamilyfun.htm#Marriage Pets and Animals includes AnimalSearch, the Macaulay Library Catalog and World Animal Net; animal related search sites and networks for families. http://www.academic-genealogy.com/livingfamilyfun.htm#Pets And, in the United States, for Black Friday (shopping) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_%28shopping%29 the day after Thanksgiving, use: (1) Apparel & Department Stores (which includes lists of Department stores from around the World) http://www.academic-genealogy.com/livingfamilyfun.htm#Apparel (2) Shopping & Savings, which includes world wide lists and histories of the art of Shopping, the Shopping Mall, a List of leading Shopping streets and districts by City, as well as a List of Superstores. http://www.academic-genealogy.com/livingfamilyfun.htm#Shopping In the British Isles, around two thousand years ago, "to buy a clothing outfit at auction, an average Roman soldier would have paid 8 percent of his yearly income (25 denarii). He would have had to fork out another 10 percent for a cloak to protect him from Britain's hostile climate." http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s253805.htm SEE ALSO: History Specialties: History of. . . . http://www.academic-genealogy.com/historysocialstudies.htm#Specialties Respectfully yours, Tom Tinney, Sr. Who's Who in America, Millennium Edition [54th] through 2004 Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, [both editions] Family Genealogy & History Internet Education Directory http://www.academic-genealogy.com/

    11/17/2007 02:36:35
    1. MI5 Persecution: Royal Festival Hall 15/4/99 (9287)
    2. Royal Festival Hall 15/4/99 Certainty level: 100% Another "day in the life of", this one. January and February were quiet; in March it all started again; by the middle of April the resurgence of abuse had been going on for over a month. And this, with 100% certainty, is one manifestation of the abuse. On Thursday 15 April 1999, 1pm lunchtime, I was at the booking office at the Royal Festival Hall near Waterloo Station in London, buying a ticket for a friend. A woman was at the counter next to me. She said; "it would kill it, you know, it would just be overkill... .. they can't stop can they" It was obvious to everyone, the ticket agents included, that her comments were directed at me, and that "they" (ie. MI5) were "killing" me. I've heard similar things said at various other times, but rarely have their intentions been expressed as clearly as this. The woman also expressed the obsessive nature of MI5's preoccupation with me, by saying, "they can't stop can they". 9287 -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access

    11/17/2007 02:10:07
    1. Re: What's wrong with GEDCOM ?
    2. Everett M. Greene
    3. Ian Goddard <goddai01@hotmail.co.uk> writes: > David Harper wrote: > > singhals wrote: > >> Tony Proctor wrote: > >> [snip] > >> > >>> The older ANSI C and ANSI SQL specs are abomininations resulting from a > >>> design-by-committee approach. You can understand the approach taken with > >>> Java whereby it was designed and evolved as a proprietary standard > >>> before > >>> being considered for an international standard. > >> > >> > >> Remind me again please -- what makes _their_ design-by-committee > >> results worse than what _your_ project committee could come up with? > >> > >> If standards in the genealogical software community need to be > >> agreed-upon rather than forced-upon, you're going to get > >> designed-by-committee standards. > >> > >> If it's bad when I (or Bob V) do it, then it's bad when you do it. > >> Ancient adage roughly translated as sauce for the gander. > > > > I guess what Tony is trying to say is that large committees tend to have > > a wide range of conflicting (and often irreconcilable) goals. In the > > context of committees whose remit is to design some kind of standard, > > the result is a standard that is bloated, confusing and often impossible > > to implement effectively. > > > > The best standards seem to come from very small committees, or better > > still, two or three very talented and highly-focussed individuals. Look > > at the standards which underpin the Internet -- IP, TCP, SMTP, HTTP -- > > which each originated as the work of one or two people. Likewise, > > languages such as C and Fortran, which were created by one person and a > > team of half a dozen, respectively. (And John Backus's Fortran team not > > only specified the language, but implemented the world's first > > optimizing compiler on a computer which had less memory than your > > cellphone!) > You can add Pascal as another compact one-man designed standard. compact, etc. != useful in its original, "pure" form

    11/17/2007 01:14:10