Steve Hayes wrote: > On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 09:46:14 +0000, Chad Hanna <chad@chadhanna.co.uk> wrote: > >> Steve Hayes wrote: >>> Someone has sent me some information in .dbf files (and some others, which may >>> be indexes). Does anyone know which program may have been used to create these >>> files, and which one could use to read them? >>> >>> >> Originally Dbase - many programs will read Dbase files including: > > Good grief, did I forget so soon! > >> Microsoft Excel and Access 2000, Lotus Approach and 1-2-3, Paradox, >> Buttonware PC-File > > I've got some of those somewhere, but not all of them seem to work with > Windows XP. > Open Office will read and load .dbf files. I don't know how well as I don't have any to experiment on. -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer & Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/

Steve Hayes wrote: > On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 09:46:14 +0000, Chad Hanna <chad@chadhanna.co.uk> wrote: > >> Steve Hayes wrote: >>> Someone has sent me some information in .dbf files (and some others, which may >>> be indexes). Does anyone know which program may have been used to create these >>> files, and which one could use to read them? >>> >>> >> Originally Dbase - many programs will read Dbase files including: > > Good grief, did I forget so soon! > >> Microsoft Excel and Access 2000, Lotus Approach and 1-2-3, Paradox, >> Buttonware PC-File > > I've got some of those somewhere, but not all of them seem to work with > Windows XP. > I haven't tried Paradox on Win XP and I'm not sure about PC-File. Base in OpenOffice should also work according to: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Base -- Chad Hanna Systems Developer FamilyHistoryOnline www.familyhistoryonline.net FreeBSD Apache MySQL Perl mod_perl PHP

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -= my. response to the harassment -= -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- My. first reaction in 1990/91 was to assume that if I broke contact then they would not be. able to follow and would lose interest. So I did the things that have been suggested. by other people; I sold my television, stopped listening to the radio and tried to withdraw away. from the sources of abuse as much as possible. I reasoned that they must have more. important things to deal with and that normal people. would simply leave me alone if it were made difficult for them to. continue their harassment. I reckoned without the sheer vindictiveness. of the abusers. They did not let up but instead "got to" people around me, mainly people. at work, to do their dirty. work for them. I went to see my GP, who refused to believe what he was being told, and. refused to direct me on to anyone who could be of practical assistance. It was not until three years had passed. that the GP admitted the matter was outside his competence and suggested going. to the police. In the summer of 1994. we called in counter-surveillance experts from a private detective agency to sweep our house and telephone. for bugging devices. They conducted a thorough search and found nothing; but. as noted above, since the existence of surveillance was. being forced in my face by the harassers, you would expect them to have taken the possibility of. a counter-surveillance sweep. into account when planning the type of devices to be. employed. In Easter 1995. I made a complaint to my local Police station in London, but the police have. not expressed any intention to do anything about the continuing harassment ("we're not saying it's. happening and we're not saying it. isn't happening" were the words used). I think the officer I spoke to at Easter wasn't aware of it happening, although other. members of the police force obviously do. know. >From April 1995 until the present time the matter. has been discussed in a lot of detail on the Usenet. (Internet) "uk.misc" newsgroup. That discussion has given birth to the article which you are now reading. My. hopes in posting to. Usenet were that wider publicizing would discourage the security services. from continuing their harassment, and "draw people out" into concurring with. the truth of what was being said. Neither of those have followed, but the. discussion has served a purpose in allowing this structured report to be. created. 7935

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -= purpose in publicizing it; censorship. in uk.* newsgroups -= -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The postings to uk.misc newsgroup generated a very. defensive reaction from Usenet readers in the UK. So much so, that they tried. strenuously to suppress what was being said, both by breaking. the rules of netiquette in their. responses on the forum, and directly by action to revoke the account from which the postings were. issued. Yet. the postings were within the normal boundaries of behaviour for uk.misc, and other less partisan spectators did not see. justice in the censorship which was effected, as. the following excerpt shows; :Karen. Lofstrom (lofstrom@lava.net) wrote :>It does seem that the frequency and the size of his. posts are :>approaching net abuse. . However, IMHO, they aren't quite there yet. If :>his postmaster were to act in this instance,. it would raise troubling :>censorship. issues. The inescapable. conclusion of the censorship effected on the uk.* newsgroups is that the British are intent on. their wrongdoing remaining concealed, and therefore. seek to subvert and suppress freedom of speech, not only in their own country. where the media shows xenophobic bias and bile against. all perceived enemies within and without, but also in other countries which have their own statutes to guarantee the. basic human right of. free speech. It is absolutely necessary to bring their hate campaign out. into the open where it can be placed. under scrutiny and the harassers seen for what they are. That is the only way of making it impossible for the security. services to carry it out. There is a. wider dimension, though. Xenophobia as demonstrated by British people and institutions. over the last few years belongs to the same stable as racial hatred. In. one case, two youths on a Tube train made that racism explicit by referring. to their victim as a "soft toy, not up to British Standards".. Doubtless others victimize partly on the basis of race (isn’t it odd that they. chose to torment someone who is not ethnically English?) while. expressing their abuse in terms of another. genetic attribute, namely mental illness. All xenophobia on a genetic basis is wrong, but while racial. insults are illegal, abusing the mentally ill is. neither against the law nor subject to similar condemnation when. it is exposed. 5505

On 01 Jan 2008 19:31:04 GMT, Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> wrote in soc.genealogy.computing: >Foxbase also used (uses?) .dbf extensions, and although the file format >was similar, not all programs which would work with dBase .dbfs would >read Foxbase .dbfs. >From an analysis of the DBF format I made years ago (in the 1980s), I would say that the major difference between those versions is the 1st byte of the database. I found a 2 for dBase II, a 3 for dBase III and something very different for either Foxbase or Clipper. I presume a recent software will recognize the various fields if you want to import such a database. As for the index files, they are all different with different formats and extensions. I would suppose they are not necessary if you only want to import/recycle data. Denis -- 0 Denis Beauregard - /\/ Les Français d'Amérique du Nord - www.francogene.com/genealogie--quebec/ |\ French in North America before 1722 - www.francogene.com/quebec--genealogy/ / | Maintenant sur cédérom, début à 1770 (Version 2008) oo oo Now on CD-ROM, beginnings to 1770 (2008 Release)

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -= abuse in set-up situations and in public. -= -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Strangers in the street have recognized me on sight. many times, and shown awareness of the current thread of. abuse. To give you one example, in 1992 I was seriously ill, and a manager at work somewhat humorously. said that "it wasn't fair" that people were bullying me. A few days later,. I attended for the first time a clinic in London as an outpatient, and on my. way out was accosted. by someone who asked if "they had paid my fare", with emphasis on the word "fare". He repeated the word several times in. this different context; that. they should have paid my "fare", each time emphasizing the word. For. two and a half years from the time their harassment started until November 1992. I refused to see a psychiatrist, because I reasoned that I was not ill of my own action. or fault, but through the stress caused by harassment, and that a lessening of the illness. would have to be consequent to a removal of its immediate cause, in other. words a cessation of harassment. I also reasoned that since they were. taunting me with jokes about mental illness,. if I were to seek treatment then the abusers would think that they had "won" and been proved "right". Remember,. the constant theme of any persecution is, "we must destroy you because. you're X", whether X is a racial or other attribute. In this. case the X was "we persecute you because you have brain disease".. The similarity of this logic to Nazi attitudes to. the mentally ill is striking. The same manager who'd said "it wasn't. fair" asked me in winter 1992 why I didn't seek help from a psychiatrist; was it, he asked,. because "they would think they had. won" if I sought treatment? That was something I'd never said at work... again, taken separately it proves. nothing, but many such things over a period of months proves conclusively that people in. the company knew what was going on,. and in quite a lot of detail. Usually harassment in. public lacks the level of finesse of "paying your fare". Most. people's imagination does not go beyond moronic parroting of the current term of denigration. That is not surprising. given the average level of the abusers; if they do not have the. intelligence to distinguish wrong from right then neither will. they have the capacity for anything other than mindless repetition of a monosyllabic term calculated to. fit into. their minds. The. first incidents of verbal assault in public were in again in the summer of 1990, although. they increased in frequency and venom with time. In July 1990 the first public incident occurred on a tube train on the. Northern line. Two men and their. girlfriends recognised me; the women sprang to my defence, saying. "He looks perfectly normal, he doesn't look ill". Their boyfriends of course knew better, and followed. the party line; one of them made reference to an "operation", apparently to work at the. tube station but implicitly to a visit that I had made to hospital. a couple of weeks previously. In August 1990 going. home from college, soon after getting on a tube train at Gloucester Road. I was followed by a group of four youths, who started a chant of abuse. That. they were targeting me was confirmed by other people in the carriage,. one of whom asked the other "who are they going on at, is it the bloke who just got on?" to which the second replied. "yes, I think so". I was. tempted to reply, but as in every other instance the abusers are enabled in their cowardice by physically outnumbering the. abused; any confrontation would result in my being beaten up, followed. by a complaint to the. police that "he attacked us", and of course he's ill, so he must have been imagining that. we were getting at him. Shitty, aren't they? But the shittiness of the four youths on the tube. train is as nothing compared to the episode on. the National Express coach to Dover in the summer of 1992. While going on holiday to the Continent. I was verbally set upon by a couple travelling sitting a few rows behind.. The boy did the talking, his female companion contributing only a continuous empty. giggling noise. He spoke loudly to ensure other people on. the coach heard, always about "they". and "this bloke" but never naming either the abusers or the person he was talking about. He said "they" had "found somebody. from his school, and he was. always really stressed at school". They must have dug deep to find enemies. there; perhaps someone who dropped out of school, someone who didn't do too well later, who was jealous and keen. to get their own back? The boy also said "he was in a bed. and breakfast for only one night and they got. him". By a not unexpected coincidence I had been in a B&B in Oxford a week previously, which had been. booked from work; other things lead me to the conclusion that the company's offices. were bugged for most of the. 2 1/2 years that I was there, so "they" would have known a room in. the B&B had been booked. (But I'll bet "they" didn't tell the company's managers their offices were bugged,. did they?). After a few minutes of this I went back to where they were sitting. and asked where they. were travelling. The boy named a village in France, and the girl's giggling suddenly ceased; presumably it permeated. to her brain cell what the purpose of. the boy's abuse was. This and other set-up situations are obviously calculated to provoke. a direct confrontation which would bring in the police, with. the abusers claiming. that they were the ones attacked. Again in 1992, outside the house where I was living in Oxford. I was physically attacked by someone - not punched, just grabbed by the coat, with. some verbals thrown in for good measure.. That was something the people at work shouldn't have known about... but soon. after a couple of people were talking right in front of me about, "I heard he. was attacked". The UK police have a responsibility for preventing assault occurring, but they do not seem to. take any interest in meeting that responsibility. I. suppose their attitude is that harassment does not come within their. remit unless it involves physical assault, and they will only become involved once that happens. That. is of course quite the wrong attitude for them to take, but as. I now understand, the police investigate only the. crime they wish to investigate; if they do not take your complaints seriously then there is nothing you. can do to make them take. action. 3075

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -= why won't the British police do their job and put. a stop to it? -= -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The British police obviously do. know what is taking place. Besides my interpretations of what individual. officers have said which forces that conclusion, it would be. inconceivable for them to be unaware of something on this. scale. If they know,. then they will know that the abusers have broken laws in the UK and. abroad. Recently the UK introduced laws against electronic spying which. carry a penalty of several years jail if caught. If the police know illegal harassment. is taking place, and do nothing about it, then they are failing in. their responsibilities. Last Easter (1995) I went into the local. police station in London and spoke to. an officer about the harassment against me. But I couldn't provide tangible evidence; what people said, in many cases. years ago, is beyond proof, and without something to support. my statements I cannot expect a police officer to take. the complaint seriously. The current situation with regard to the. police is not one which allows a breakthrough in dealing with the problem. On the. one hand, most individual officers at a local police station may not know about the. ongoing assaults, so a complaint at that level will not yield results. Yet the. police as an organisation do know of the. harassment, and they must be aware that a complaint has been made at a police station.. So it is clearly their duty to take preventative action. against the continuing molestation, but because the criminals are operating on behalf of a state agency, the police. are not carrying out their. duty. 645

The article of which part is reproduced below was penned. by Bernard Levin for the Features section of the Times on 21 September 1991.. To my mind, it described the situation at. the time and in particular a recent meeting with a friend, during which I for the. first time admitted to someone other than my GP that. I had been subjected to a conspiracy of harassment over the previous year and. a half. >There is a madman running loose about London, called David Campbell; I. have >no reason to believe that. he is violent, but he should certainly be >approached with caution. You may know him by the curious. glitter in his >eyes and a. persistent trembling of his hands; if that does not suffice, you >will find him attempting. to thrust no fewer than 48 books into your arms, >all. hardbacks, with a promise that, if you should return to the same >meeting-place next year, he will. heave another 80 at you. > >If, by now, the police have arrived and are keeping a close watch. on him, >you may feel sufficiently emboldened to examine the. books. The jackets are >a model of uncluttered typography,. elegantly and simply laid out; there is >an unobtrusive colophon of a rising. sun, probably not picked at random. >Gaining confidence - the lunatic is smiling. by now, and the policemen, who >know about. such things, have significantly removed their helmets - you >could. do worse than take the jacket off the first book in the pile. The >only word. possible to describe the binding is sumptuous; real cloth in a >glorious shade. of dark green, with the title and author in black and gold >on the. spine. > >Look at it more closely; your eyes. do not deceive you - it truly does have >real top-bands and tail-bands, in yellow, and, for good measure,. a silk >marker ribbon. in a lighter green. The paper is cream-wove and acid-free, >and the. book is sewn, not glued. > >Throughout the encounter, I should have mentioned,. our loony has been >chattering away, although what he is trying to say is. almost impossible to >understand;. after a time, however, he becomes sufficiently coherent to make >clear that he is. trying to sell the books to you. Well, now, such quality >in bookmaking today can only be for collectors'. limited editions at a >fearsome price - #30,. #40, #50? > >No, no, he says, the glitter more powerful than. ever and the trembling of >his hands rapidly spreading. throughout his entire body; no, no - the books >are priced variously at #7,. #8 or #9, with the top price #12. > >At this, the policemen understandably put their helmets. back on; one of >them. draws his truncheon and the other can be heard summoning >reinforcements on his walkie-talkie. The madman. bursts into tears, and >swears. it is all true. > >And it. is. > >David. Campbell has acquired the entire rights to the whole of the >Everyman's Library, which died a lingering and shameful. death a decade or >so ago, and he proposes to start it all over again - 48. volumes this >September and. 80 more next year, in editions I have described, at the >prices specified. He proposes to launch his. amazing venture simultaneously >in Britain and the United States, with the massive. firepower of Random >Century at his back in. this country, and the dashing cavalry of Knopf >across the water, and no one. who loves literature and courage will forbear >to. cheer. At the time this article was written. I had believed for some time that columnists in the Times and other journalists had been. making references to my situation. Nothing unusual about this. you may think, plenty of people have the same sort of ideas and obviously the papers aren't. writing about them, so why should my beliefs not. be as false as those of others? What makes this article so extraordinary is that. three or four days immediately preceding its publication, I had. a meeting with a friend, during the course of which we. discussed the media persecution, and in particular that by Times. columnists. It seemed to me, reading the article by. Levin in Saturday’s paper, that he was describing in some detail his "artist’s impression" of that meeting. Most telling. are the final sentences, when he. writes, "The madman bursts into tears, and swears it is all true. And it is." Although I did not "burst into tears" (he seems. to be using a. bit of poetic licence and exaggerating) I did try hard to convince my friend that it was all true; and. I am able to concur with Mr Levin, because, of course,. it is. At the beginning of the piece Levin reveals a fear of being attacked by. the "irrational". subject of his story, saying "I have no reason to believe that he is violent, but he. should certainly be approached with caution". This goes back to the xenophobic propaganda of. "defence" against a "threat" which was seen at the very beginning of. the harassment. The impression of a "madman. running loose" who needs to be controlled through an agency which assigns to itself the mantle of the "police" is also one which had. been expressed. elsewhere. In the final paragraph of this extract, his. reference to Everyman’s Library as having "died a. lingering and shameful death a decade or so ago" shows clearly what sort of conclusion they. wish to their campaign. They want a permanent solution, and. as they are prevented from achieving that solution directly, they waste significant resources on methods. which have been repeatedly shown to be ineffective. for such a purpose. 645

The article of which part is reproduced below was penned by Bernard. Levin for the Features section of the Times on 21 September 1991.. To my mind, it described the situation at the time. and in particular a recent meeting with a friend, during which I for the first time admitted to someone other. than my GP that. I had been subjected to a conspiracy of harassment over the previous. year and a half. >There is a madman running loose about London, called David. Campbell; I have >no reason to. believe that he is violent, but he should certainly be >approached with caution. You may know him by the curious glitter in. his >eyes. and a persistent trembling of his hands; if that does not suffice, you >will find. him attempting to thrust no fewer than 48 books into your arms, >all hardbacks, with. a promise that, if you should return to the same >meeting-place next year,. he will heave another 80 at you. > >If, by now, the police. have arrived and are keeping a close watch on him, >you. may feel sufficiently emboldened to examine the books. The jackets are >a model of uncluttered. typography, elegantly and simply laid out; there is >an unobtrusive colophon of a rising sun, probably not picked at. random. >Gaining confidence - the lunatic. is smiling by now, and the policemen, who >know about such things, have significantly. removed their helmets - you >could do worse than take the jacket. off the first book in the pile. The >only word possible to describe the binding is sumptuous; real cloth in. a >glorious. shade of dark green, with the title and author in black and gold >on the. spine. > >Look at it more closely; your eyes do not deceive you. - it truly does have >real top-bands and tail-bands, in yellow, and, for. good measure, a silk >marker ribbon in a lighter green.. The paper is cream-wove and acid-free, >and the book is sewn, not. glued. > >Throughout. the encounter, I should have mentioned, our loony has been >chattering away, although what he is trying to say is almost impossible. to >understand; after a time, however,. he becomes sufficiently coherent to make >clear that he is trying to sell the books to you. Well, now, such. quality >in bookmaking today can only be for collectors' limited. editions at a >fearsome price - #30,. #40, #50? > >No, no, he says, the glitter more. powerful than ever and the trembling of >his hands. rapidly spreading throughout his entire body; no, no - the books >are priced variously at #7, #8 or #9, with the top. price #12. > >At this, the policemen understandably. put their helmets back on; one of >them draws his truncheon and the other can be. heard summoning >reinforcements on his. walkie-talkie. The madman bursts into tears, and >swears it is. all true. > >And it. is. > >David Campbell has acquired the entire. rights to the whole of the >Everyman's Library, which died. a lingering and shameful death a decade or >so ago, and he proposes to start it all over again. - 48 volumes this >September and 80 more next year, in editions. I have described, at the >prices specified. He proposes to launch his amazing venture. simultaneously >in Britain and the United States,. with the massive firepower of Random >Century at his back in this country, and the dashing cavalry. of Knopf >across the water, and. no one who loves literature and courage will forbear >to. cheer. At the time this article was written I had. believed for some time that columnists in the. Times and other journalists had been making references to my situation. Nothing unusual about this you. may think, plenty of people have. the same sort of ideas and obviously the papers aren't writing about them,. so why should my beliefs not be as false as those of others? What makes this article so extraordinary is that three. or four days immediately preceding its publication,. I had a meeting with a friend, during the course of. which we discussed the media persecution, and in particular that. by Times columnists. It seemed to me, reading the article by Levin in Saturday’s paper, that he. was describing in some detail his "artist’s impression" of. that meeting. Most telling are the final sentences, when he writes, "The. madman bursts into tears, and swears it is all true. And it is." Although I did. not "burst into tears" (he seems to be using a bit of poetic licence and exaggerating) I did try hard to. convince my friend that it was all true; and I. am able to concur with Mr Levin, because,. of course, it is. At the beginning of the piece Levin reveals a fear of being. attacked by the "irrational" subject of his story, saying "I. have no reason to believe that he is violent, but he should certainly be approached. with caution". This goes. back to the xenophobic propaganda of "defence" against a "threat" which was seen at. the very beginning of the harassment. The impression of a "madman running loose" who needs to be controlled through an agency. which assigns to itself the mantle of the "police". is also one which had been expressed. elsewhere. In the final paragraph of this extract, his reference. to Everyman’s Library as having "died a lingering and. shameful death a decade or so ago" shows clearly what sort of. conclusion they wish to their campaign. They want a permanent solution, and as they are prevented. from achieving that solution directly,. they waste significant resources on methods which have been repeatedly shown to be ineffective for such. a purpose. 5505

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=. who knows about it? =- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Many people know, both. in the establishment and media, and among the general public. Despite an absence of its target from the UK for. more than two years, the echoes of paranoia can still be heard loud. and clear from across the water. When it started in 1990, the only. people who knew were those. in BBC television who were spying on my home, and a few radio broadcasters. There were a. few cases of public harassment, but very little compared to the. situation that developed a couple of years later. The list today includes BBC TV staff. (newsreaders such as Martyn Lewis, Michael Buerk, Nicholas Witchell), people from radio stations such. as Chris Tarrant of Capital and Radio. 1 DJs, people in the print media, but also many people in the general public.. All united in a conspiracy which breaks the laws which the UK does have regarding. harassment, and all completely uncaring for any semblance of. decency or elementary respect for individual. rights. The British police (obviously) do know the nature of the harassment. and in all probability the identity of those behind it. Some. time ago I made a complaint. to my local police station in London, without positive result. The UK. police are failing in their duty to see the law enforced in not checking. the abuse. 3075

Steve Hayes wrote: > Someone has sent me some information in .dbf files (and some others, which may > be indexes). Does anyone know which program may have been used to create these > files, and which one could use to read them? > > Originally Dbase - many programs will read Dbase files including: Microsoft Excel and Access 2000, Lotus Approach and 1-2-3, Paradox, Buttonware PC-File There is also an Xbase module for Perl programs. -- Chad Hanna Systems Developer FamilyHistoryOnline www.familyhistoryonline.net FreeBSD Apache MySQL Perl mod_perl PHP

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-= -=. Capital Radio - Chris Tarrant -= -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-= Capital Radio DJs have been "in on it" from the start. One of the. first things I heard in the summer of 1990 was from a Capital. DJ who said, "If he listens to Capital then he can't be all bad". (supportive, you see. We're not bastards). Much. of what came over the radio in 1990 is now so far away the precise details have been obliterated by time. No diary was kept. of the details, and although archives if. they exist may give pointers, the ambiguity of what broadcasters said. would leave that open to re-interpretation. In spring 1994, Chris Tarrant on his Capital morning show made. an aside to someone else in the studio, about a person he didn't. identify. He said, "You know this bloke? He says we're. trying to kill him. We should be done for attempted. manslaughter". That mirrored. something I had said a day or two before. What Tarrant said was understood by the staff member in the studio he was saying. it to; they said, "Oh no, don't say that" to Tarrant. If any archives exist of. the morning show (probably unlikely) then it could be found there; what he. said was so out of context that he would be. very hard put to find an explanation. A couple of days. later, someone at the site where I was working repeated the remark although. in a different way; they said there had been people in a computer room when automatic fire extinguishers went off. and those people were "thinking of. suing for attempted manslaughter". Finally, this. isn't confined to the established radio stations. In 1990 after I had. listened to a pirate radio station in South London for about half an hour, there was an audible phone call in the background,. followed by. total silence for a few moments, then shrieks of laughter. "So what are we supposed to say now? Deadly torture? He's going to. talk to us now, isn't he?", which meant that they. could hear what I would say in my room. 5505

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-= -= the BBC, television. and radio -= -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-= The first incident in June 1990 was when a BBC newsreader made what. seemed to be a reaction to something which had. happened in my home, and out of context of what they. were reading. My first reaction was disbelief; nothing of the. sort had ever happened before, the idea that such a thing could occur had not crossed my mind, yet. there was no doubt of what had just taken place. My disbelief eroded as this recurred time after time.. Besides the. news, offenders included shows such as Crimewatch (!), Newsnight, and "entertainment" shows. There seems to. be very little moral understanding among the people who make these programmes; they just. assume they will never be caught, so they carry on without a thought for the illegality. or amorality of what they do.. The only time I ever heard a word raised in doubt was. by Paxman being interviewed by someone else (I think by Clive Anderson) back. in 1990; referring to the "watching" he said it troubled him, and when asked by the host what you could do about it, replied. "Well, you. could just switch it off" (meaning the surveillance monitor in the studio). He clearly didn't let his. doubts stand in the way of continued surreptitious spying from his. own or other people's shows, though. Now you're convinced this is a troll, aren't you? This story. has been the subject. of much debate on the uk.* Usenet newsgroups for over a year, and some readers believe it. to be an invention (it has even been suggested that a group of psychology students are responsible!),. others think it symptomatic of a derangement. of the author, and a few give it credence. Quite a few. people do know part or all of the story already, so this text will fill in the gaps in their knowledge. For. the rest, what may persuade you of the third possibility is that. some of the incidents detailed are checkable against any. archives of radio and TV programmes that exist; that the incidents involve named people. (even if those hiding in the shadows have not made their identity or affiliations evident),. and those people may be persuaded. to come out with the truth; and that the campaign of harassment is continuing. today both in the UK and on the American continent, in a none-too-secret fashion; by its nature the. significant risk of exposure. increases with time. On several occasions people said. to my face that harassment from the TV was happening. On the first day I. worked in Oxford, I spent the evening in the local pub with the company's. technical director Ian, and Phil, another employee. Ian made a few references to me. and said to Phil, as if in an aside, "Is he the bloke who's been on TV?" to which. Phil replied, "Yes, I think. so". I made a. number of efforts to find the bugs, without success; last year we employed professional. counter-surveillance people to scan for bugs (see later) again without result. In autumn 1990 I disposed of my. TV and watched virtually no television for. the next three years. But harassment from TV stations has gone on for over six years and continues to. this day. This is something that many people obviously know. is happening; yet the TV staff have the morality. of paedophiles, that because they're getting away with it they feel. no wrong. Other people who. were involved in the abuse in 1990 were DJs on BBC radio stations, notably disc jockeys from Radio 1. and other stations (see the following section). Again, since they don't have sense in the. first place they can't be expect to have the moral sense not. to be part of criminal harassment. 645

JD <jd4x4@ wrote: > I'm by no means an expert, btw.. just a novice. But I'd be grateful if I > could go right to the page somehow. Another irritation. Most indexes will tell you a page number to go to. BUT, every page in every film I've used had a hand-written page number AND a rubber-stamped page number that aren't the same. Some of them have one written number x'd out and another written in. (In addition to the stamped number)

MI5 Persecution Update: Friday 31 March,. 2000 22,544 Faxes Delivered in Three Years,. and Still No Breakthrough In the last three years I have sent at least. 22,544 faxes to recipients in the UK, of which at least 13,974. have gone to Westminster. Last weekend alone I sent. 832 completed faxes to politicians, the media and various others, on the subject of MI5s mistreatment of me. these last ten years. I believe some of the recipients know of. MI5s actions against me in the last decade;. yet they maintain strict "omerta" in fear of the security services. persecution actions being made public. MI5. Insist that these Faxes must Continue Between September 1999 and mid-January. 2000, the persecutors, whoever they might be, mostly. left me alone. I counted only three incidents in almost five months - which. is a lower rate than at any time since June 1990, when this. business started. By leaving me alone for. several months, the "oppressors" were making an implicit assurance that. they would continue to leave me alone in the future. On 11 January. I posted to an internet newsgroup accepting what I saw as their. assurance of no further harassment, stating that I would cease sending these. faxes - which is the only thing I do in my defence - if they continued to leave me. alone. And for two weeks I did indeed refrain from distributing these. articles. But MI5 acted. in bad faith. From the last week of January until the beginning of March, they resumed their hate campaign against me. with a vengeance. They even put people in my road three times in. February, one instance of which I recorded. They. resumed their normal behaviour of bugging my phone and house,. listening to where I would go, and then placing people in that location to "aggravate and annoy". me. What MI5 did. in February is plainly a contravention of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997, since. it has caused me "alarm and distress" as specified in the Act. But. it is a waste of time going to the police with a complaint, since the police have done, and. will do, absolutely nothing. I complained to the Metropolitan Police in 1995,. and they refused to take my complaint. When I complained again in 1999, the. detective sergeant laughed at my complaint, with the words, "It's an absolute. load of rubbish. I don't investigate rubbish. I can't be more blunt or to. the point than that." It is useful to remember that the. Met also treated Stephen Lawrences parents with similar discourtesy; police prejudices are. similar in my. case, so I can take some comfort from that case and hope that one day I will get a fair. hearing. MI5 acted in bad faith, but they also acted with. arrogance. They do not care if I send 800 faxes every weekend, since they know I. cannot prove my claims, and the recent Shayler case shows how weak external oversight. is of. the secret services. But they acted with more than arrogance - the MI5 agents actually want my faxes to continue, they insist. that these faxes continue, since my communications give them. an excuse to continue their activities, and continue in the paid employ of the. secret service. Despite their use of diverse proxies over the last ten years,. it is the same MI5 officers behind the campaign all the time - I. have seen one of them on three occasions in Canada over a period of years, and. it is a safe belief that that same person continues to be. paid for his "work" in harassing me in London now. The average cost of an MI5 employee is some 75,000. per annum, so one may infer that their officers. are amply compensated; their insistence that "hostilities" are maintained is understandable when. placed in. this light. 12072 -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDem

Three Years of. "MI5 Persecution" Faxes Ten Thousand Faxes, and Still. No Breakthrough In the. last three years I have sent at least 5,301 faxes directly from my computer,. and 4,478 faxes through Demons extremely useful TPC.INT service, to politicians and the media, in the subject of the. "MI5 Persecution". This has. obviously cost me quite a lot of money, not to mention time and effort. The aim. of all this communication has been to try to put discussion of. the "MI5 persecution" into the public arena; unfortunately, this aim has not. been achieved, yet. This fax will be my last transmission for the. time being, since the summer recess is almost upon us. Depending on what the persecutors do between. now and the autumn, I may or may not resume faxing later this year.. In the article dated 18/6/99 I said Id. stop the articles if MI5 left me alone;. but they seem to have no fear of these articles, since they kept pursuing me in Poland and after my return. to the UK. Again, if they leave me alone this. summer then I wont have to resume the articles in the autumn;. but I think its fairly obvious that MI5 have nothing better to do with their time than to go after me, and its almost. pointless to make this offer when I know. they wont cease harassing me. TPC.INT 1996,. 1997, 1998..... Three years ago I was. living in Canada, and the only economic way of sending faxes to the UK. was through the international email-to-fax gateway TPC.INT.. This highly useful and totally free service converts emails (which may have Postscript-formatted attachments). into faxes which it delivers to any number within the UK.. Using the telephone book, I constructed a computer database of. M.P.s fax numbers, and used this database to deliver copies of the "FAQ - frequently. asked questions" article which. Id written some time earlier. This service. is still operational, but given that I have resided in London for. the last year, I do not need to use Demons service when I can send articles directly from. my own computer using its fax/modem, which is what I. have been doing since 1998. However, instead of just sending the FAQ article, Ive been composing articles on. various aspects of MI5s treatment of me. Since their activities have. been going on for nine years now, and there have been various aspects to their actions;. they have harassed me at work, at home, through the media, etc; I have so far not run out. of things to say,. particularly since their harassment of me is still ongoing, and I have been able to record the actual words used. by their paid agents on my minidisc-walkman. Since mid-March 1999 I have been sending. these articles pretty. much every weekend. Anyway, as mentioned above, I intend this to be the final. transmission before the. summer recess, and it would be nice not to have to continue these articles in the autumn. But thats something that depends. on them, not me, and their. attitude is unfortunately clear. Why am I sending these. articles? Because I want. the harassment to stop. The cynical reader might think from these articles that I "thrive on adversity" and would be lost without. the harassment to complain about; but that is not the case. In a perfect. world I would like to return to work, in. a job unsullied by MI5s attempts to ruin it;. I would like to live in a house which wasnt bugged, with my words being repeated at me wherever I go; I would like a normal. life. I do not particularly thrive on adversity; I am beaten. down by adversity; the purpose of these faxes is to try to. bring the whole matter out into the public arena, where. the rights and wrongs would be visible to all, and once that were to. happen, the adversity might cease. I have had something approaching a normal life. a couple of times in the last nine years, but always, in the end, MI5. turn up and ruin it. I just want these people out of my life, permanently, and the only. way of doing that is to kick this business into the public. arena, and shame MI5 so that they are incapable of. doing me further damage. Having said that, unfortunately it seems fairly obvious by. now that these faxed articles are not going to achieve that aim. Some of. the recipients know what I am saying is true; but. they choose to stay quiet - wisely, because if they were to admit the truth of these. articles, then they would bring the wrath of MI5 down on their heads. Presumably. most recipients do not know these. articles are true; their reaction to me is the same as my reaction to the other apparently deluded people. who have sent me email after reading my webpage to tell me it happened to them too; the. reaction being, "leave me alone, I dont want to. know". Its sad that many M.P.s have given me this reaction, because. my case genuinely is different; I genuinely am telling the. truth, and the harassment genuinely is happening to me, and some recipients of this fax know. this to be true. "Write to. your own M.P." My local M.P. is Mr Keith. Hill, Labour-Streatham. He refuses to have anything to do with me. He. refuses to represent me, he refuses to talk to me, he has told. me not to communicate with him. He has done absolutely nothing to help me, and he has told me he will do. absolutely nothing to help. me. Other M.P.s, recipients. of these faxes, have for quite some time been telling. me, "write to your own M.P.". On 23 March 1998, Paul Burstow M.P. wrote. to me; "Whilst I take the issues that you raise seriously, there is a strict Parliamentary convention that. one Member of Parliament does not take up anothers casework. Can. I suggest that you write to your own M.P. at the House of Commons?" Hopefully. the above paragraph will make clear that I. have written to my own M.P. and he has proved unhelpful. Other M.P.s have told me the. same thing. On 21 May 1998, John McFall M.P. told me, "... there is a parliamentary. convention that M.P.s do not take up cases of people not in. their constituency..... therefore can I suggest that you write to your local M.P. who will be. better able to assist you." And on 8 June. 1998, Michael Foster M.P. wrote to me that "M.P.s are inundated with unsolicited faxes .... M.P.s. have a considerable amount. of constituent work to deal with, thus other M.P.s constituents cease to be of. concern in so far as they should have a voice and representation". Simon Hughes M.P. wrote to me on 5 November 1998,. "There is a strict parliamentary convention which states that I am not able to. represent individuals who are not constituents. of mine. My advice is that you find out who your own Member of. Parliament is rather than circulating your story to all M.P.s.". To my suggestion. that Keith Hill M.P. was doing nothing to help me, George Foulkes. M.P. sent the following faxed response; "If Keith Hill your. own M.P. cannot help no-one else in the House of Commons can." But it is clearly not a case of "cannot" help,. but "will not" help. I have detailed in letters to Mr Hill specific ways. in which he could help me, first of all. by finding a lawyer to represent me. It is Mr Hills job as a. Member of Parliament to represent his constituents; if he chooses not to do. so, then it reflects badly on him. Kate Hoey Sympathises, but says,. "Write to your own M.P." Here is part of a letter Ms Hoey sent to me on. 15 June 1999. I appreciate that. you have concerns about the persecution and harassment that you feel you are experiencing but I. note that your MP is in fact Keith Hill. There is. a very strict Parliamentary code which means that M.P.s can only take action on matters that relate to their. own constituents. I am aware that you are not happy with the. fact that you do not feel Mr Hill will assist you but I am afraid. that I cannot take any action. on your behalf. Ms Hoey plainly belongs in the camp of people who do not know about. the reality of the "MI5 Persecution". She doubts. its existence; "the harassment you feel you are experiencing". She urges me to. see Mr Hills assistance,. as have other M.P.s detailed above. Really, the fact that I am unable to obtain assistance from any. other M.P., if my own alleged "representative". Mr Hill chooses not to represent me, is a very basic weakness in the. Parliamentary system. Beinggmainly events at my former employers in Oxford. during 1992, when I was harassed constantly by manager Steve Mitchell for most of 1992, and was forced. to begin attending hospital as an outpatient. as a result. This harassment was obviously of Mitchells own volition, since I observed. him harass similarly another new worker. two years later; but it was also at MI5s instigation, since they kept providing. him with words from my home life which he then proceeded to abuse me with. Yet this is not the. only employment that MI5 have destroyed; the MI5 persecution has lasted from the end. of my student days until the present time,. during which I have had three jobs, all of which have been in various ways. destroyed by MI5s deliberate actions. In March 1999 I decided to try to force the issue once and. for all. Ever weekend for the last four months, apart from two weeks when I was. on holiday, I have sent original articles by fax directly from my. computer to Westminster politicians. Here. is a summary of the articles of the last four. months; How to. Identify the Persecutors Their. use of Schizophrenia to discredit my claims Comparing the MI5. Persecution with German "Final Solution" MI5 are Plainly Trying to. Kill Me MI5 Waste Taxpayer Millions. on Pointless Hate-Campaign Four Years of "MI5 Persecution" Posts on. Internet Newsgroups MI5 Agents are Clinical. Psychopaths BBC Newscasters Lior the Victims. of MI5 MI5 Have Systematically Destroyed My. Life Harassment through the. Radio To my deep worry. these fourteen faxed articles have still not achieved the objective of kicking the matter out into the public. arena and forcing an admission either from the persecutors,. or from those "in the know", which includes. some M.P.s. I dont really know what else. to do to try to bring the "MI5 persecution". out into the open. I would have expected that these weekly faxed articles would have had some. effect, but the only result has been M.P.s telling me to contact my own representative Mr Hill who. refuses to talk to me. I understand the convention that M.P.s deal with their. own constituents and not those of other M.P.s, but there seems to be a. gap in the process since it allows your. own M.P. to refuse to deal with you, and then you are totally denied any representation. at all. Conclusion The only conclusion I. can inform the readership of these articles of, is that. there is no conclusion to this matter, yet! Three years of intermittent articles, and four months of faxes every weekend, have. been absorbed by some of the most powerful people in the country,. to no effect. Whether these. articles continue in the Autumn is entirely up to the "opposition". I offered them a cessation. of complaints if they would leave me alone on holiday in June/July, and they went right. ahead and harassed me anyway, on holiday and after I returned to London. If MI5. cease their activities now,. then I wont have to continue these faxes in the autumn;. but I suspect they wont cease, which means youre in for more articles later this year. "There will. be no conclusion." 8748 -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDem

MI5 Persecution. Update: Friday 9 July, 1999 Harassment in Poland,. July 1999 And still it continues.... in my last fax I said. that provided MI5 made no attempts at harassment during my two-week holiday this summer, or. after I returned to England, then. I would discontinue these faxes. Unfortunately MI5 have continued to harass me, both during the holiday and. after my return to London. I really dont want to continue. these articles, since they. take up so much time and effort, not to mention expense; but the Security Service wont even let me. have a holiday in peace and quiet, so I have to make. further efforts to bring their activities out into the open. In early July I. visited my aunt and her family in Poland. On Saturday 3 July. 1999, I went to a family barbecue at an allotment outside the city. One of my aunts family has previously shown. himself to be in the "enemy" camp, by. saying the Polish equivalent of "something wrong with him", and. various other unprovoked insults. It is disappointing that one of my family. could forsake the usual ties of blood and take part in the actions against me, but thats the way it. is. This guy turned up at the barbecue, and started making insults. against me. In particular, he started to say something about the. video camera which I had brought along on the trip, and the relevance of the video-camera. to my fight against the persecution. It seemed pretty obvious to me that my enemies. had told him to turn up. to this occasion, and most likely schooled him in precisely what. words to say; since hes an unintelligent person and would not be able. to think for himself what insults to make against me. Harassment in London, week ending Friday. 9 July 1999 Got. back to London Wednesay afternoon. Two incidents on the Underground returning from the airport. Unfortunately I wasnt recording. because I wasnt expecting trouble, so these slipped through the. net. One of these was verbal sexual abuse, of the type Ive heard many,. many times before these last. three-and-a-half years. Yesterday, Thursday 8/July/1999, I switched on Heart FM. which had never "got at" me before.... and the presenter. started making jokes about "mad, crazy" etc. Again,. wasnt recording this because Id never had any trouble from this radio station and wasnt. expecting any. Also yesterday, on a bus (155?) from Balham to Clapham, a couple of. girls started harassing me with taunts of "crazy". By now I was. expecting trouble and recorded an. audio file of this instance of abuse, at web URL; The cynical reader. might think my demeanour or behaviour had given rise to the taunts of "crazy" recorded above. But I assure. you my behaviour on the bus would not have. made anyone think I was ill; and the taunts the previous day. were the same sexual words as previously; so I'm quite sure that these incidents are either deliberately staged, or indicative. of an overall high. level of awareness among the London public, particularly in the part of. London where I live. Keith Hill MP (Labour - Streatham), my elected. representative, as ever refuses. to help. MI5 Persecution: Harassment. through the Radio One of the aspects of. the MI5 persecution has been harassment through the broadcast and print media; and one of the. aspects of harassment through the broadcast media is being "got at". by radio presenters. This being "got at" from the radio. takes various forms, the most obvious form being through overt or hidden words and insults. But there are other,. subtler forms. In Canada a couple of years ago,. I used to listen to the local radio stations every morning. driving to work, and listened to the music only, switching. between radio station presets rapidly as soon as a presenters voice came. on, so that I would not be subjected to any verbal harassment by. the D.J.s. But they found a way around this; they kept on playing the same. song, every bl**dy morning at the same time, which had the words "all coming back to me"; the perceptive. reader will remember that the. words "coming back" have special meaning (see the Private Eye cover at web URL;. for the hidden. meaning). And thats not the. only time theyve allowed the songs themselves to be used as abuse against. me; many years ago Radio-1 in the UK did exactly the same, and the DJ even made. it explicitly clear by saying, "dont you sometimes feel as if the songs were made just. for you". "We should be done for. attempted manslaughter" says Chris Tarrant Capital Radio DJs have been "in on. it" from the start. One of the first things I heard in the summer of 1990 was from a Capital. DJ who said, "If he listens. to Capital then he can't be all bad" (supportive, you see. We're not bastards).. Much of what came over the radio in 1990 is now so far away the precise. details have been obliterated by time. No diary was kept. of the details, and although archives if they exist may give pointers, the ambiguity of what broadcasters said would leave. that open to re-interpretation. In spring 1994, Chris. Tarrant on his Capital morning show made an aside to someone. else in the studio, about a person he didn't identify. He said, "You know this bloke? He says. we're trying to kill him. We should be done for. attempted manslaughter". That mirrored something I. had said a day or two before. What Tarrant said was understood by the staff. member in the studio he was saying it to; they said, "Oh no, don't say that". to Tarrant. If any archives exist of the morning show (probably unlikely) then it could be found there; what. he said was. so out of context that he would be very hard put to find an explanation.. A couple of days later, someone at the site where I was working repeated the remark although in a. different way; they said there had been people in a computer room. when automatic fire extinguishers went off and those people were "thinking of suing for attempted. manslaughter". Pirate. Radio "gets at" me In another incident in 1990/91,. Id been listening to a pirate radio station in South London for half an hour, when. there was an audible phone call in the background, then total silence for. a few moments, followed by shrieks. of laughter. "So what are we supposed to say now? Deadly torture? Hes. going to talk to us now, isnt he?" which meant that they could hear what I would say in my room. Note the word "deadly" - they. give away their. purpose. It constantly surprised me that MI5. are so easily able to subvert broadcasters, and,. in this case of the pirate station, to do so, so quickly. I think the answer to this question is that they must. have very wide contacts in the broadcast media; presumably some or in fact many. of those contacts are literally "bought". In the same way. as they tried to buy Jon. Snow of Channel Four news, they must have bought many broadcasters and use them both directly to make insults against me, and. promulgate their points. of view; but also, they must use these "bought" broadcasters to influence other television and radio presenters, who might not. even be aware that. it was on MI5s behalf that they were being influenced to "get at". me. BBC-Radio-1 D.J.s celebrate my. job termination in November 1991 This. is another one from the "early years". At the beginning of November 1991 my employment in. Woking, Surrey was terminated. Chris Tarrant of Capital-FM had already made nasty remarks about both my work. for the company, and the managers of the company themselves. - "so theyre not really a serious company, well. theyd have to be to employ you wouldnt they". So when I was terminated, as. you can expect, BBC Radio 1 D.J.s celebrated. On the Saturday. afternoon (either 9/Nov/1991 or 16/Nov/1991 - I cannot remember precisely) I briefly listened to Radio-1 and heard. the disc jockeys loudly proclaiming "youre useless, you should be. sacked". On the same day,. I went down to the Kwik-Fit in Tooting to get my cars tyres replaced, and in the office ran into. a couple of their staff, one of them with. an Australian accent, who said "what do you think about it then? Its getting. killed on the radio." Plainly, if a random car-repair shop in Tooting knew about. the persecution, then many. thousands of other people across the capital and all over the country must have. known. And the phrase "getting killed" shows very clear awareness of what. the MI5 Persecutors intentions towards me were in. 1991, and judging by the continuing harassment, still remain. today. Recent Feedback from. Virgin-Radio As readers will know,. from mid-March 1999 for some four months, every weekend, I have bombarded Westminster MPs with faxes. about the terrible, all-encompassing MI5 Persecution.. (Jesting aside, it really is terrible and all-encompassing, in the UK anyway.) In June 1999, after I'd been. at it some three months, I started getting "covert" feedback. from Virgin Radio. The first feedback I got was from Danny Baker, on Sunday. 13th June. That weekend I was sending. an article which contained biting criticism of the police inaction in this case. Danny Baker on his Virgin radio show. started an angry rant that "he. knows it's rubbish", ie. he was rubbishing what I'd said in. that weekend's faxed article. Unfortunately I wasn't recording this. programme. The next possible Virgin-Radio feedback was a week later on 19th. June 1999. This is contained in the audio file above, in which. Johnny Boy on his "Wheels. of Steel" programme says; "and if you. would like to put a triple play together, ahhh.... because quite frankly Hipster and me are running out of. ideas...." He goes on to counter Hipster's "how dare you" with. a protestation that he is "only joking". . You can listen to this incident on my website at URL; What I reckon is that my article faxed to MPs that. weekend was forwarded by one of the recipients to Virgin Radio. My article had included. the words; "I am beginning to run out of both new topics and. energy to write these articles." So what I reckon is that Johnny Boy read the. article.... and rephrased the above line "run. out of ... new topics" to "running out of ideas". I recognise that this is a pretty tenuous inference to make..... but do listen to the audio file, from the "ahhh...." pause in JB's. speech you can guess he. is about to say something "risky" and at someone's expense. Anyway, I. listen to the Wheels of Steel regularly and will continue to do so, recording it as I. always do - so any future funny remarks will get immortalised on my website!. (There was a previous incident from August 1998 which is preserved. at web URL; but I am sufficiently uncertain about it that I have not included. it in this. article.) First Ever Radio Reference -. Alan Freeman of BBC-Radio-1 The first time I was ever referred to on. the radio was sometime in May or June of 1990, by Alan Freeman of BBC-Radio-1. Note that this. isnt an "interactive listening" episode, its. different, this was Freeman reading out a letter from one of my. "real life" enemies. Id acrimoniously broken. up with some former friends in January of 1990, and. I think they were still trying to cause me trouble in June of that year. Freeman on his. rock show read out a letter from an "Andrew Turner"; one of my acquaintances. from January 1990 had been called Andy Turner, so I think its the. same guy. Freeman quoted Turner as saying various things about. me, in particular Freeman said "thats a hell of a letter you wrote there Andy", "with. a schizophrenic you're never alone", and something about the "one who wore out his welcome with. random precision" (from. the words of the Pink Floyd song). When I was looking for primary causes. of the MI5 persecution, this letter which Freeman had read out on his programme struck me as being. potentially one. of the sources of the persecution. I know Turner and various others in that group were very bitter at what they. saw as their failure and my undeserved success, and they. were quite determined to upset the applecart. Of course several other primary causes are possible; I. do not know why MI5 chose me as opposed to someone. else, and MI5 are hardly likely to. tell me. "Absolute Obscene". David Hepworth of GLR This one Ive assigned a. 100% rating on the website. There are actually two separate incidents, which are linked through the. D.J.s choice of words. The first incident can be heard in computer audio. at web URL; On. 21/Feb/1997, I was listening to BBC GLR, by stealth. Back in 1990 I used to have. Capital blaring out of the speakers all over the garden ("if he listens to Capital then. he can't be all bad", thanks ever so much). But now I listen on my walkman. on headphones with the volume turned right down. It could not possibly be overheard by. any listening device, no matter how sensitive, because. sound does not carry from the phones. Yet somehow they are still. able to tell which station I am listening to on the walkman.. And last night, I bravely tuned to GLR 94.9FM at around 8.45pm. Everything went well for the first. half hour or so. Around 9.10pm, Hepworth said. the following after the song "Come Around" by the Muttonbirds. "coming up after this, we got. the rock-and-roll A-level, we have, I assume, Brian do. we have an embarrassment of prizes in there, we do, don't we, absolute obscene amounts of prizes, there will no doubt be a riot. at the back door, and that's, er,. A-level coming up after this" The. key phrases in what he said are, "EMBARRASSMENT of prizes", and what he himself. emphasized verbally, "ABSOLUTE OBSCENE amount of prizes". It is my belief (based on content and tone of voice) that when he. spoke these phrases he knew I was listening, and that the phrases refer directly to. my situation. The "EMBARRASSMENT" is the embarrassment. he and other media people would feel at having their wrongdoing exposed; the. "ABSOLUTE OBSCENE" (which he verbally emphasized) described the. disgusting sexual abuse which the harassers have been throwing at. me. There was a second. incident, on 9/May/1997, which may be found on the web (with computer. audio) at URL; This. incident again contains the words "absolute embarrassment of prizes", with the same emphasis as the first instance, and laughter following. the phrase. So. theyre aware of the complaint I made on Usenet after the first incident; and they are so. arrogant that they do exactly the same again. They are so arrogant, they know. they are being recorded and that what they. say will be published on the web, but they dont care. What corrupt media, and what a corrupt country to have. such corruption in its media. 7086 -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDem

MI5 Have Systematically Destroyed My. Life This is getting depressing. From the feedback Ive. received, the recipients of. these faxes are tired of hearing my complaints, and in truth I am tired of sending them. The. reason I havent yet ceased sending faxes is because I cannot think of any other effective means of replying to. MI5s actions against me, and I feel I. have to do something to try to defend myself. Three/four years ago I got the MI5 harassment out of. my system by posting about. it on Internet newsgroups, and for a few months this tactic was quite effective. - I received (and indeed still do today) support from newsgroup regulars, and. felt I could make my voice heard and break the MI5 monopoly on access to the British media. But that was years ago,. and today nobody gives a tinkers. cuss about my internet posts - so I have sought to escalate matters by communicating directly with the. politicians who allegedly say how this country is supposed to be. run. Of course, its quite expensive to keep up a campaign of fax. messages for many weeks. Each. set of faxes takes approx 50 hours to send over the weekend, and costs perhaps 35. My phone. bill for the last quarter was 350. These figures are naturally insignificant. compared to what MI5 have been spending against me. over a similar period. It also takes a lot of time and energy to create a new article every week, and try. and find new and fresh aspects. and viewpoints on MI5s persecution of me. I am beginning to run out of both new topics and. energy to write these articles. So I have a suggestion to put. before the MI5 persecutors who have been wrecking my. life since 1990. In a few days time I will be going on holiday to Poland. and Germany, for a couple of weeks. Previously, almost every time I have travelled by plane, or gone. anywhere on holiday, the MI5 "wreckers" have been most. assiduous in destroying these trips. My suggestion is; if MI5 leave me alone on this. next trip, I will cease transmitting. these articles. If, however, there are any clear instances of harassment (and I am. very capable of recognising MI5 harassment when I see it),. then I will make public these instances and publish any recordings I may make of them, and, unwillingly. and unhappily, continue the articles. Read about the MI5 Persecution on the. Web Keith Hill MP (Labour. - Streatham), my elected representative, as ever refuses. to help. MI5 Refuse to Allow me to have. a Normal Life Its kind. of difficult to contemplate having a normal existence when you know your entire house is bugged from top. to bottom, for audio and, very unpleasantly, video; when your employment is systematically. destroyed, over and over again; when every time you leave the country your travel. is disrupted by MI5. plants on the plane yelling abuse at you..... you get the idea. I would like. to have some semblance of a normal life, like my Polish and English friends do. But. MI5 have made this impossible, and they have leached massive resources from. the taxpayer to institute a life not worthy of the name. on me. A few years ago. MI5 were very open about their aims in persecuting me. They were shouting "suicide" at me, both in Canada where I lived. at the time,. and during my occasional visits to London. You cant get much clearer than that. There have been instances. as recently as a few weeks ago of this intention being voiced by their side; on 15 April. 1999, a woman at the next ticket counter at the Royal Festival. Hall said; "it would kill it,. you know, it would just be overkill... they can't stop can. they" meaning that "they" were trying to "kill it". i.e. me and they "cant stop". The audio file is. at; I wonder why they "cant stop". Nobody (who doesnt know already). believes my claims -. so what difference would it make, if they were to "stop" persecuting me? Perhaps what this persons remarks. indicates, is the depth of the obsession MI5. have with this case. They have chosen at random a person from the general population,. and done their worst to ruin my life. What is. wrong with these people, that they persecute a national of the country whose citizens they are supposed to. protect? No Chance of a Harassment-Free. Job Since. the harassment started in 1990 I have had three jobs, the first near Guildford,. the second in Oxford, and the third overseas in Canada. All three jobs have been systematically destroyed by MI5.. It is so ironic that MI5 employs a team of agents, each well compensated. for their efforts, to persecute just one person paid. a mere fraction of what they get for their "work". In. fact, it is a joke that MI5 is allocated resources for this sort of effort. If this area of government. were run along commercial lines then. MI5 would be very rapidly closed down, they produce nothing of any value, instead spending their time obsessed with the. bugging and surveillance of their. former employees like Shayler, dangerous subversives like Straw and Mandelson, and "threats to national security" like. yours truly. Applying for my. first post university job When I. was applying for my first post-university job in the closing months of 1990, I found at two or three job. interviews that MI5 had got there ahead of me. Interviewers knew what words to repeat from what had. been said at my home recently; MI5 had. supplied them with words to hurt me, and the "British secret police" were trying to wreck my job. search and discourage me from joining the world of work. This and the. continuing harassment in the media and by the public meant that the search for a. job took very much longer than it. would ordinarily be expected to take for a person with my. qualifications. With my first job near Guildford came the knowledge that MI5. were doing everything possible to make me lose the. job. Despite their efforts I managed. to stay in work for ten unhappy months, during which they made very clear to me that they were bugging my workplace,. my accomodation in Woking, my car, my home...... and they also made clear that they had "got to" my employer in. Guildford. Employment. with Oxford I was able to find. a new job, with Oxford Computer Training Services (now ARIS/Oxford), quite quickly. But it became very. clear, very quickly, that MI5 were treating this job the same as the first; they tried to get. the other employees and. in particular the managers to attack me. It was plainly MI5s intention that I be sacked fro this job. But I was. not sacked; instead, after. almost a year of abuse from OCTS managers, I was forced to seek medical help, and had. to take two months off for medical leave. OCTS MD Hugh Simpson-Wells was motivated in keeping. me on by the fear that if he sacked me,. then I would take him to court for the treatment OCTS managers had meted out to me during. 1992. Emigration to. Canada When I. emigrated to Canada in 1994, I did think that perhaps MI5 would leave me alone, given. that I had made the effort to leave the UK and try to find a new life overseas. I. could not see any reason why they would continue to harass me over in Canada. But clearly. the MI5 agents had their salaries to think about, since continue to harass me they most. certainly did, at my home in Ottawa,. and by getting fellow employees to speak against me, as. had happened with previous jobs in the UK. MI5 are denying. me a future in work Former. Chief Constable of Devon and Cornwall John Alderson had this to say regarding MI5's. activities; "MI5 is. not under the same restraints as the police. They infiltrate organisations, people's jobs and lives. They. operate almost like a cancer." Currently I am on disability, and I can see that MI5. are denying me a future in work. It would be an insult to logic for me to return to. work and find a. job, in the knowledge that an entire team of MI5 agents, paid in. total many times what I would be earning, would have the objective of seeing me "done down" in the employment, and ejected. from the place of work. This situation is completely wrong. and nonsensical - I would very much like. to have a job, but MI5 are preventing me from even thinking about returning to work. The culture of secrecy in MI5/MI6 means there. is no objective oversight of their expenditure, when. external oversight and greater transparency might lead to wasteful and. illogical operations such as. that against me being shelved. Watched and Harassed at my. Home and Accommodation As you will know if you have been reading these articles, MI5 have. watched and harassed. me at my home, and at every accommodation Ive had since 1990. Theyve also watched me at. neighbours houses in London, and at short-term accommodation such as. hotels and bed-and-breakfasts. They have used the "words". gained from these watching activities against me, by passing these words. on to other people such as OCTS managers for them to make clear that I. am being watched where I live. Harassed. at rented rooms in Oxford in 1992 This was at its worst in 1992 in Oxford, where during. the week I lived at rented accommodation in Oxford,. and at weekends returned to my parents home. in London. I was being severely harassed by managers at my place of work, OCTS; and it. was clear from the things they said that they were being supplied. by MI5 with details of my home life, that they were being supplied with. words to repeat at me. In 1992 I. moved house in Oxford many times, living at a total of five rented accommodations in ten months. In January I. started off living in a rented room at Headington near the ring road /. A40 intersection; then when it became clear. that house was being bugged, moved to a rented room in Botley, some miles away. It. was at the house in Botley that I had an "interactive watching" experience with Martyn Lewis while. he was reading the. news; I threw a term of abuse at him; he first flinched, then gave a gsult of what I had just said, he was no longer. "on my side". So I moved house again. This time to a place in Cowley, near the. Rover car works, where I stayed for a few weeks.. Because of continuing harassment at work, I soon moved from this accommodation, to yet. another rented room on Iffley Road. By this time I was very ill and being abused. continuously at work. Again, MI5 followed me to the rented room on Iffley. Road, and created new instances of. "newscaster watching". There was a television in the room which I watched, and as. you can guess the newscasters got at me when I was watching the television.. Also once I was assaulted, if thats the word for what happened, on leaving. the house; a youth grabbed me by the coat lapels, roughed me up. a bit with various terms of abuse. I did not report this assault to the. police, because what was happening to me at work. was very much worse, and nobody seemed to think that that was worthy of being reported to the police. Later that day at work, Alex G,. a fellow employee, said "I heard he was assaulted".... I. had not told anyone at work about the incident that morning..... so once again. it was made very clear that MI5. were watching my rented accommodation and giving information about what. was going on there to managers at work. So I moved house yet. again in late autumn 1992, this time to a rented room in a large house on. Woodstock Road. I stayed there for several weeks as the situation at work deteriorated due. to OCTS managers abuse, until I was forced. to take sick leave from work for two months and attend hospital as an outpatient; at which point I gave notice. on the room, and returned to London. MI5 continued. to harass me after the diagnosis of serious illness was made. As reported previously, they harassed. me on a flight to Spain in December 1992; and in 1993, when I returned to live and work in. Oxford, they again bugged my rooms, as well as my. workplace, although the intensity of the harassment was very much less than. in 1992. Watched,. followed and harassed in Canada It dismayed me to find that MI5. would not leave me alone after I had settled in Canada. In January 1995 I rented an apartment at the. Bayshore complex. in Ottawas west end. For some weeks there was no sign of the "buggers". But. then it started all over again. They first bugged my car, which had a car alarm installed - the alarm went off two or three times. in a single evening, and the. following day gave a signal that the car had been broken into. Then they bugged my apartment, and. in particular they installed bugs on the phone line. in my apartment. In September 1995 I moved to a. new apartment in Ottawas Bytown Market area, the restaurant and entertainment heart of Canadas. capital. This proved. a serious mistake. In the west end I had been fairly distant from the centre of town where MI5 concentrated their efforts at. turning people against me. In the Market area it was much easier for the. persecutors to motivate people to harass me, and over the next. couple of years there were frequent instances of harassment by. the general public. From. 1995 I had some Polish friends in Ottawa, and as the reader can guess, MI5 have spent much effort trying. to break up this friendship. They supplied various things about. my home life to these friends, for example where I was living in. the Market, directly over the road were the studios of a music radio station, which you had to. "look up" to see; and MI5 told these. friends that I was "looking up" to see the radio station; so the friends then. replayed these words back to me, that I was "looking up". MI5 have also made various sexual slanders. against me, and these friends also unwittingly replayed some of the words. they had been imprinted with by the MI5. persecutors. MI5 Will Never Allow Me to. have a Normal Life I have heard many excuses. as to why MI5 continuously prevent me from having a normal life. We are. told that MI5 are defending the country against a tere. to zero. When I have travelled abroad, they always put. their people on the flights, on the journeys I undertake, to continue the. harassment, so that I am put off further. overseas travel, and chained to my home in London. Yet even this is illogical,. because when I lived in Canada, they would still put people on flights back. to the UK.... and what possible reason would they have for doing that?. Perhaps the truest words to describe the MI5 persecution is that reason has nothing to do with their. activities - sane people do not behave in the way the MI5. British Secret Police have been doing. Summer 1999 -. more MI5 harassment? In only a few days time I will be going to Europe again.. This time I have deliberately chosen to travel by a non-UK airline; so. we will see if they put their paid agents on. this foreign carrier, we will see if they try to harass. me on this non-British flight. If they do harass me. on this trip to Europe, or if they resume the harassment in London after I return home, then I will. continue to report their activities in these faxes. As I said at the beginning. of this article, I would very. much like to not have to send these articles any more, but that is not. my decision to make - it is entirely up to MI5 to cease their pointless persecution of me, once and. for all. 5424 -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDem

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Nigel Bufton wrote: > Exactly. This thread has drifted into the realms of discussing how to build > a replacement mechanism for a facility that is not used correctly in the > first place. Actually the title was GEDCOM as a *database* format. That's quickly dealt with. It lacks the index mechanisms & ACID (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACID) properties of a database format. It wasn't designed as such. What the thread has inevitably drifted into is a combination of GEDCOM's original purpose - a transfer format - and, all to often entangled with that, its underlying data model. > > GEDCOM 5.5 is sufficiently rich to support 95% of data transfer needs. GEDCOM 5.5 is sufficiently rich to support 100% of the specific purpose for which it was designed. Maybe it also supports 95% of the extended purposes of those who can't see much further than what it does. > Currently, most programs appear to use 30%-80% of this richness The 80% limit, of course, comes from the fact that only LDS and its members are interested in the full 100% of its design objectives. > appropriately. Changing the transport mechanism isn't going to change the > content richness. Agreed. That's why LDS have lost interest in changing it. But changing the the scope of what one wants to transport requires a change of the mechanism. > > When and if GEDCOM 5.5 is ever used correctly and completely, and its > shortcomings for certain situations are encountered, then is a reasonable When vision is bounded by the limitations then the shortcomings won't be perceived. > time to discuss the need to extend or replace. Extension could easily be > achieved by agreed additional standards using custom tags, or by extending > the meaning of existing tags. For example some programs use "1 MARR N" to > indicate "not married", even though "N" is not a valid value for MARR under > the existing standard. Really? In the 2000's you want to use the mechanisms of the 1980's? > > While leaders such as Family Tree Maker believe (according to the help file) > that there is no facility in GEDCOM to support image exports, it would seem > that we remain a long way from the point where the genealogy program > creators are likely to use the basic capabilities of the current GEDCOM > standard to its full extent. > > Changing the transport mechanism won't make a jot of difference to this > situation - it would still be transporting sub-optimal data. Yup. That's the problem -- Ian Hotmail is for spammers. Real mail address is igoddard at nildram co uk