Hi, For the last 3 evenings I have been trying to bring up on ancestry.co.uk the page for UK Births/1951/Quarter 3 without success. The other quarters in 1951 appear OK but not Q3. has anyone else had this problem? David

"Wes Groleau" <groleau+news@freeshell.org> wrote in message news:T9lrj.3887$0B2.3565@trnddc03... > Lesley Robertson wrote: >> Agreed. I also noticed a dramatic improvement when I upgraded to the >> versions above 7. It still can't tell the difference between words the >> same (eg knight and night) but it would be unreasonable to expect it to >> do so. Proof reading and some correction will always be needed, but I > > They are supposed to be able to do that (to some extent) by context. > ViaVoice was successful. I only had Dragon long enough to set it up and > test it for a friend with Parkinson's, but it seemed to work better than > ViaVoice. > > Both are going to have trouble with names of people and places, more so if > they are "foreign" names (relative to the language of your software). > Only the first time you use them. At work, we use a lot of dog latin for microbial names, at home my Scottish and South African family history provides all sorts on interesting words. Once I've used a word and trained the system, it copes the next time. My office word files even include spatterings of Dutch words (eg the address of my office) without any problems. Lesley Robertson

Wes Groleau wrote: > Pergurd wrote: >> Does Dragon or Viavoice also work to input the data into genealogy >> software programs like Legacy or FTM? The only programs listed on the >> box are word > > Probably not. When I needed to get text into a product not supported, > I just dictatted into the built-in thing (similar to NotePad or > SimpleText, and then select, drag, and drop. > >> processors, email and the like. If so, what genealogy program do you >> use and how steep is the curve to input the names? > > I have mostly used TextEdit. I am a cheapskate. > I only use programs that are free or close to it. > And _every_ one I ever tried says, > "We don't care what the GEDCOM spec says. You do > it OUR way, or you don't do it." > better use PAF then Hugh W -- For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/ http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

Pergurd wrote: > Does Dragon or Viavoice also work to input the data into genealogy software > programs like Legacy or FTM? The only programs listed on the box are word > processors, email and the like. snipped Dragon functions as a virtual keyboard with which you can totally control your machine you can use chat rooms or open and close applications the apps listed are those they have tested You need to speak clearly like a news reader I dropped it because of the small words confusion already mentioned meant the editng process took as long as my hunt and peck 2 finger system with corrections In fact you can move the cursor and edit verbally too "delete that" takes out the last phrase for example if youi are (partially) diaabled it would be worth taking the time to becom proficient and train the machine to know you but if you get a bad head cold it would be wise to log on with a new ID :-) hugh W http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

Bob Jones wrote: > I don't know Macs, I have never known Macs, and unless someone starts giving > them away, I will never know Macs. I can only go on what my rellies (who > have only ever had Macs) told me. Try READING my first message again and you > will see that I only reported what my rellies told me. When they tried to > transport the data across, the new confuser advised that the info. was in a > format prior to the new confuser and wouldn't accept it. > admit it you are giving advice based on ignorance and help yckr relatives get online here or get bloCKed as an other idiot troll Hugh W -- For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/ http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

Pieter Cramwinckel <pcramwinckel@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > Helen Castle schreef: > > Having never owned a Mac I have never paid attention to the posts about > > programs for a Mac > > > > Now a relative has a Mac and is looking for free software > > > > Any good free ones out there? He only wants to read my .ged files > > > > He is looking into a Windows emulation for running Legacy but it may be > > beyond him > > > try this : > > Macintosh Genealogy Programs > NAME VERSION CURRENT AS OF > > GEDitCOM 3.60 11-17-2003 GEDitCOM 3.80 > > Gene 4.3.4 04-29-2001 > > MacFamilyTree 3.6.5 10-04-2003 MacFamilyTree 5.00.11 > > Personal Ancestral File 2.31 03-13-1996 > Reunion 8.05 12-05-2003 Reunion 9.0x > and more info is here : Heredis X, Genealogy J and ohmiGene 2.02 Etc... > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mac/faq.html -- Téhenne Saint-Denis de la Réunion Genealogy software ohmiGene (Mac & PC): http://www.nauze.com/ Comparatif Import-Export Gedcom : http://www.nauze.com/gedcom/ Digest du format Gedcom : http://www.nauze.com/format_gedcom/index.html

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 02:47:32 GMT, Bob Jones <rjo25512@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > "Dave Hinz" <DaveHinz@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:619pjbF1u47cuU1@mid.individual.net... >> It's not a big deal that you don't understand them, and that your >> relatives are having problems. But, as I said, please don't then spread >> your ignorance while pretending you know what you're talking about. > Do I need to repeat myself? Apparently so! > "I don't know Macs, I have never known Macs, and unless someone starts > giving > them away, I will never know Macs. " Then, why did you pretend to tell us how Macs weren't "robust" because of your vague, poorly understood understanding of your relatives poorly understood problems? > Please explain how you managed to translate the foregoing direct quote into > "pretending you know what you're talking about". Why did you answer and pretend you had something to contribute, when clearly you don't? Or, was your intent to show your ignorance and inaccuracy? If that was your intent, well, well done. It's interesting, really. Most "windows people" who dislike mac, do so out of ignorance. And most "mac people" who dislike Windows, do so out of experience. So. Did you want to talk about the problems your relatives had, or do you just want to pretend that they're somehow a valid reason to call an entire computing "not rubust"? Or maybe just drop it.

"Dave Hinz" <DaveHinz@gmail.com> wrote in message news:619pjbF1u47cuU1@mid.individual.net... > On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:49:11 GMT, Bob Jones <rjo25512@bigpond.net.au> > wrote: >> I don't know Macs, I have never known Macs, and unless someone starts >> giving >> them away, I will never know Macs. > > Apparently. > >> I can only go on what my rellies (who >> have only ever had Macs) told me. Try READING my first message again and >> you >> will see that I only reported what my rellies told me. > > And then, you presented it as if you had any sort of authority in the > matter. > >> When they tried to >> transport the data across, the new confuser advised that the info. was in >> a >> format prior to the new confuser and wouldn't accept it. > > If you have specifics, perhaps any of the many Mac folks here would be > able to help. As it is, you made a sweeping generalization which is > demonstrably false, combined with a helping of attitude, and obvious > confusion (X vs. 10). Rarely an effective way to actually help people > with a question. > > It's not a big deal that you don't understand them, and that your > relatives are having problems. But, as I said, please don't then spread > your ignorance while pretending you know what you're talking about. Do I need to repeat myself? Apparently so! "I don't know Macs, I have never known Macs, and unless someone starts giving them away, I will never know Macs. " Please explain how you managed to translate the foregoing direct quote into "pretending you know what you're talking about". -- Bob JONES How come your family coat-of-arms ties at the back?

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:49:11 GMT, Bob Jones <rjo25512@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > I don't know Macs, I have never known Macs, and unless someone starts giving > them away, I will never know Macs. Apparently. > I can only go on what my rellies (who > have only ever had Macs) told me. Try READING my first message again and you > will see that I only reported what my rellies told me. And then, you presented it as if you had any sort of authority in the matter. > When they tried to > transport the data across, the new confuser advised that the info. was in a > format prior to the new confuser and wouldn't accept it. If you have specifics, perhaps any of the many Mac folks here would be able to help. As it is, you made a sweeping generalization which is demonstrably false, combined with a helping of attitude, and obvious confusion (X vs. 10). Rarely an effective way to actually help people with a question. It's not a big deal that you don't understand them, and that your relatives are having problems. But, as I said, please don't then spread your ignorance while pretending you know what you're talking about. >

Pergurd wrote: > Does Dragon or Viavoice also work to input the data into genealogy software > programs like Legacy or FTM? The only programs listed on the box are word Probably not. When I needed to get text into a product not supported, I just dictatted into the built-in thing (similar to NotePad or SimpleText, and then select, drag, and drop. > processors, email and the like. If so, what genealogy program do you use and > how steep is the curve to input the names? I have mostly used TextEdit. I am a cheapskate. I only use programs that are free or close to it. And _every_ one I ever tried says, "We don't care what the GEDCOM spec says. You do it OUR way, or you don't do it." -- Wes Groleau "Would the prodigal have gone home if the elder brother was running the farm?" -- James Jordan

I don't know Macs, I have never known Macs, and unless someone starts giving them away, I will never know Macs. I can only go on what my rellies (who have only ever had Macs) told me. Try READING my first message again and you will see that I only reported what my rellies told me. When they tried to transport the data across, the new confuser advised that the info. was in a format prior to the new confuser and wouldn't accept it. -- Bob JONES Where does your lap go when you stand up? "Dave Hinz" <DaveHinz@gmail.com> wrote in message news:618qe3F1u6j48U1@mid.individual.net... > On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:08:32 GMT, Bob Jones <rjo25512@bigpond.net.au> > wrote: >> >> Unfortunately, Macs aren't as "robust" as you think. I have some senior >> rellies that are Mac tragics and have found that not all Macs are >> backward >> compatible. They have recently bought a new Mac which has "X" OS >> installed > > Every Mac shipped in the last 7 years or so will be running some version > of OSX. > >> and which will not accept any data from their old Mac which is using a >> version "10.?.?". > > Then they're doing it wrong. OS-X is version 10. And for the first 5 > years of OS-X, it shipped with "classic" mode which would allow users to > access apps up to 10 or 15 years old. > > Please don't spread misinformation about a computer platform you clearly > don't understand. It doesn't help anything. >

Helen Castle schreef: > Having never owned a Mac I have never paid attention to the posts about > programs for a Mac > > Now a relative has a Mac and is looking for free software > > Any good free ones out there? He only wants to read my .ged files > > He is looking into a Windows emulation for running Legacy but it may be > beyond him > try this : Macintosh Genealogy Programs NAME VERSION CURRENT AS OF GEDitCOM 3.60 11-17-2003 Gene 4.3.4 04-29-2001 MacFamilyTree 3.6.5 10-04-2003 Personal Ancestral File 2.31 03-13-1996 Reunion 8.05 12-05-2003 and more info is here : http://www.rootsweb.com/~mac/faq.html

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:08:32 GMT, Bob Jones <rjo25512@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > Unfortunately, Macs aren't as "robust" as you think. I have some senior > rellies that are Mac tragics and have found that not all Macs are backward > compatible. They have recently bought a new Mac which has "X" OS installed Every Mac shipped in the last 7 years or so will be running some version of OSX. > and which will not accept any data from their old Mac which is using a > version "10.?.?". Then they're doing it wrong. OS-X is version 10. And for the first 5 years of OS-X, it shipped with "classic" mode which would allow users to access apps up to 10 or 15 years old. Please don't spread misinformation about a computer platform you clearly don't understand. It doesn't help anything.

Does Dragon or Viavoice also work to input the data into genealogy software programs like Legacy or FTM? The only programs listed on the box are word processors, email and the like. If so, what genealogy program do you use and how steep is the curve to input the names? \Thanks "Wes Groleau" <groleau+news@freeshell.org> wrote in message news:HIMqj.30936$xE.5368@trnddc01... > Everett M. Greene wrote: >> If anyone can solve this problem, I'd like to hear about it. >> I have an umpteenth generation Xerox copy of a hand-written >> family genealogy of significant size... > > I have various documents of varying quality. > My grandmother typed her father's family history > for him, and then added to it--using a Selectric > ball that no OCR seems to cope with. Other documents > are faded or hand-written. If they won't scan, I put > on my headset and read them into ViaVoice. > > Even with genealogical material--lots of names of people > and places, not in the program's dictionary, AND interference > from noise in the house, I still manage to average 1200 words > per hour including time for corrections and "retraining" the software. > > Dragon Naturally Speaking is better than ViaVoice. > > -- > Wes Groleau > > I've noticed lately that the paranoid fear of computers becoming > intelligent and taking over the world has almost entirely disappeared > from the common culture. Near as I can tell, this coincides with > the release of MS-DOS. > -- Larry DeLuca

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 00:44:10 +1000, "Helen Castle" <helenlcastle@yahoo.com.au> wrote: >Does you computer recognise that there is a drive attached when you plug it >in? My external, and several flash drives are connected through USB hubs. Any connect or change is recogniaed immediately. > >But frankly I have never backed anything up in 19 years of using computers - >I keep a copy of everything important in the native format that it was >created in and then in an exported format of some sort plus a lot of my >important stuff is on websites - so that if I have to I can recreate my >files all over again very easily - backups only work while you have the >program that you used to backup. I can't agree. Back up data (not programs) by copying folders to the external; I usually also copy to CDs and flash drives. >Or use Windows Explorer to copy and paste to the Maxtor drive. I started with Norton Commander to manage files because it showed dual panes. For years I have used WinNC by Dunes MultiMedia, which is exactly what Norton Commander would be if it still existed. I have not used a Windows File Manager since 1986. But I don't use online storage - security always seems to be an issue. Different strokes work for different folks. Hugh

In article <47af6bae$0$881$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr>, Pieter Cramwinckel <pcramwinckel@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > Helen Castle schreef: > > Having never owned a Mac I have never paid attention to the posts about > > programs for a Mac > > > > Now a relative has a Mac and is looking for free software > > > > Any good free ones out there? He only wants to read my .ged files > > > > He is looking into a Windows emulation for running Legacy but it may be > > beyond him > > > try this : > > Macintosh Genealogy Programs > NAME VERSION CURRENT AS OF > > GEDitCOM 3.60 11-17-2003 > > Gene 4.3.4 04-29-2001 > > MacFamilyTree 3.6.5 10-04-2003 > > Personal Ancestral File 2.31 03-13-1996 > > Reunion 8.05 12-05-2003 > > and more info is here : > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mac/faq.html The FAQ is well out of date. As an example Reunion is now version 9.06 and was last updated in November 2007.

My problem has been solved even though I still have the Red M - as long as I save my info I am happy. Thank you to the many clever people - you have all made me think harder before jumping in with questions. I have saved and printed out all the advice because knowing me I am very likely to forget. Gratefully, Di

Helen, you are little gem. I never thought about dragging my files across to the external drive. I think my senior moments all happened at once at some stage and left me completely blank about doing that - I do that when copying something for my friends onto a CD so it should have logically been the same for the Maxtor.. Problem solved. Thank you so much. Di Very gratefully dragging and dropping. "Helen Castle" <helenlcastle@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:47ae3382$0$20842$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... > If it is an external hard disk drive it should work like an internal hard > disk drive > > You store stuff on the internal drives - you can store stuff on the > external drives - it doesnt have to be a backup, it can be a copy. > > That way you dont have to use backup software just use File, Save As. and > then make sure you revert to your main file before you do more work. > > Or just use Windows Explorer to copy from internal drive to external > drive. > > -- > Helen Castle > Narangba > > New preferred email > helenlcastle@yahoo.com.au > (added a letter 'l' and a ".au") > have a look at our escapades at > http://newspapertranscripts.spaces.live.com/ > > "DiMa" <sascar@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message > news:47ae288d$1_3@news.chariot.net.au... >> Thank you Helen, I wish I was a bit more knowledgeable. >> >> "Helen Castle" <helenlcastle@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message >> news:47adbc3e$0$12542$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... >>> Does you computer recognise that there is a drive attached when you plug >>> it in? >>> >>> If it does press F1 when at the desktop, do a search on backup and read >>> how to use Windows backup to backup to the drive >>> >>> But frankly I have never backed anything up in 19 years of using >>> computers - I keep a copy of everything important in the native format >>> that it was created in and then in an exported format of some sort plus >>> a lot of my important stuff is on websites - so that if I have to I can >>> recreate my files all over again very easily - backups only work while >>> you have the program that you used to backup. >>> >>> I generally have a major rebuild every 2 years, with minor reformats in >>> between and I have never lost anything important - sometimes I forget >>> minor stuff that doesnt matter but I have had some files since Windows >>> 3.1 and they are still readable. If the had been backed up files I >>> wouldnt be able to access them by now. >>> >>> If you copy stuff you can compress into a zip file - right click, sent >>> to zip (compressed) file. copy to Maxtor. >>> >>> Or use Windows Explorer to copy and paste to the Maxtor drive. >>> >>> -- >>> Helen Castle >>> Narangba >>> >>> New preferred email >>> helenlcastle@yahoo.com.au >>> (added a letter 'l' and a ".au") >>> have a look at our escapades at >>> http://newspapertranscripts.spaces.live.com/ >>> >>> "DiMa" <sascar@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message >>> news:47ad9cd9$1_2@news.chariot.net.au... >>>> Thank you to all the guys who have responded to my post. >>>> >>>> I don't know what other software to install on the drive - where do I >>>> get it from? >>>> I am not technically minded but not stupid either so be gentle with me >>>> please. >>>> >>>> Di >>>> "DiMa" <sascar@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message >>>> news:47ad27a9$1_1@news.chariot.net.au... >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know if there is a support group for the above. >>>>> >>>>> I have not been able to master it as yet and need some help. Senior >>>>> moments are always getting in the way and I end up getting the backup >>>>> fail notice. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Di >>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>

Again, thank you Helen, will give it a try. "Helen Castle" <helenlcastle@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:47ae3382$0$20842$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... > If it is an external hard disk drive it should work like an internal hard > disk drive > > You store stuff on the internal drives - you can store stuff on the > external drives - it doesnt have to be a backup, it can be a copy. > > That way you dont have to use backup software just use File, Save As. and > then make sure you revert to your main file before you do more work. > > Or just use Windows Explorer to copy from internal drive to external > drive. > > -- > Helen Castle > Narangba > > New preferred email > helenlcastle@yahoo.com.au > (added a letter 'l' and a ".au") > have a look at our escapades at > http://newspapertranscripts.spaces.live.com/ > > "DiMa" <sascar@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message > news:47ae288d$1_3@news.chariot.net.au... >> Thank you Helen, I wish I was a bit more knowledgeable. >> >> "Helen Castle" <helenlcastle@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message >> news:47adbc3e$0$12542$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... >>> Does you computer recognise that there is a drive attached when you plug >>> it in? >>> >>> If it does press F1 when at the desktop, do a search on backup and read >>> how to use Windows backup to backup to the drive >>> >>> But frankly I have never backed anything up in 19 years of using >>> computers - I keep a copy of everything important in the native format >>> that it was created in and then in an exported format of some sort plus >>> a lot of my important stuff is on websites - so that if I have to I can >>> recreate my files all over again very easily - backups only work while >>> you have the program that you used to backup. >>> >>> I generally have a major rebuild every 2 years, with minor reformats in >>> between and I have never lost anything important - sometimes I forget >>> minor stuff that doesnt matter but I have had some files since Windows >>> 3.1 and they are still readable. If the had been backed up files I >>> wouldnt be able to access them by now. >>> >>> If you copy stuff you can compress into a zip file - right click, sent >>> to zip (compressed) file. copy to Maxtor. >>> >>> Or use Windows Explorer to copy and paste to the Maxtor drive. >>> >>> -- >>> Helen Castle >>> Narangba >>> >>> New preferred email >>> helenlcastle@yahoo.com.au >>> (added a letter 'l' and a ".au") >>> have a look at our escapades at >>> http://newspapertranscripts.spaces.live.com/ >>> >>> "DiMa" <sascar@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message >>> news:47ad9cd9$1_2@news.chariot.net.au... >>>> Thank you to all the guys who have responded to my post. >>>> >>>> I don't know what other software to install on the drive - where do I >>>> get it from? >>>> I am not technically minded but not stupid either so be gentle with me >>>> please. >>>> >>>> Di >>>> "DiMa" <sascar@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message >>>> news:47ad27a9$1_1@news.chariot.net.au... >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know if there is a support group for the above. >>>>> >>>>> I have not been able to master it as yet and need some help. Senior >>>>> moments are always getting in the way and I end up getting the backup >>>>> fail notice. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Di >>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>

Thanks once again to all you wonderful people - I will print off each reply and try the various suggestions and come back probably with more questions but I do feel this will get sorted. Thank you so much. Di "DiMa" <sascar@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message news:47ad27a9$1_1@news.chariot.net.au... > Hi all, > > Does anyone know if there is a support group for the above. > > I have not been able to master it as yet and need some help. Senior > moments are always getting in the way and I end up getting the backup fail > notice. > > Thanks, > Di >