On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 11:51:11 +0100, Ian Goddard <[email protected]> wrote: >Steve Hayes wrote: >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:45:48 -0600, Bob Melson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Notably missing from all this has been gramps, which just released it's >>> 3.3.0 version. While originally a Linux/Unix app, it's available for >>> Windows. See http://gramps-project.org/ for details. And, BTW, it's >>> free. >> >> I installed Linux on my computer mainly so I could try it out, but I don't >> know how to install it if it didn't come with the Linux distro. >> >> I've tried asking for help on the Linux ngs, but there's no use asking how to >> do something unless you already know how to do it. >> >> If you don't know how to do it the response is "Don't feed the troll" >> >> > >If the distro is Debian, Ubuntu, Mint, Mepis or one of the other Debian >derivatives the default package would be a .deb and the command to >install some_package.deb is Thanks very much for the reply which I have save for future reference. I'm using Fedora 14. I had a disk with Ubunto which came with Gramps and a lot of other good stuff, but it nwould not display properly on my screen (800x600 max), swo I ditched it, But Fedora 14 seems OK, but cmes with no automatically installed extras. I've got flu at the moment, will nook some more when I've feeling a bit better. -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:25:08 +1200, "Dave C" <[email protected]> wrote: >Many thanks to all those who responded. I appreciate your time and >knowledge. Currently investigating a short list of three possibilities. >Three being about the maximum number below the threshold where screaming and >kicking the cat start to be noticed by others! > >Legacy >RootsMagic >Family Historian > >I will post again once I get it down to one <G> > >Dave Regardless of which you choose, I would like to hear your view of FH - I expect others might also. I always upgrade the other two. I would think that trying three new programs would enable you to present views and opinions that might escape those who, like me, have become accustomed to certain programs. And, an unbiased view would be very refreshing! Hugh

On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:06:54 -0400, singhals <[email protected]> wrote: >J. Hugh Sullivan wrote: > >[snip] > >> The problem with always making your own decisions is that you never >> have anyone else to blame. >> > >I /hear/ that! (g) OTOH, you'n'I can always blame one >another -- as the saying goes, I didn't say it was your >fault, I said I was going to blame you. > >[snip] I gotcher back, Louisiana Lady! >> everyone may not need all the bells and whistles available in some >> programs. >Then again, maybe I'm just jaded? > >Cheryl I trust your hubby thinks jade is priceless. It's all in the attitude, mon cheri. Hugh

Many thanks to all those who responded. I appreciate your time and knowledge. Currently investigating a short list of three possibilities. Three being about the maximum number below the threshold where screaming and kicking the cat start to be noticed by others! Legacy RootsMagic Family Historian I will post again once I get it down to one <G> Dave --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to [email protected] ---

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote: > On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:06:54 -0400, singhals<[email protected]> > wrote: > >> J. Hugh Sullivan wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >>> The problem with always making your own decisions is that you never >>> have anyone else to blame. >>> >> >> I /hear/ that! (g) OTOH, you'n'I can always blame one >> another -- as the saying goes, I didn't say it was your >> fault, I said I was going to blame you. >> >> [snip] > > I gotcher back, Louisiana Lady! > Messy buckets, chou. >>> everyone may not need all the bells and whistles available in some >>> programs. > >> Then again, maybe I'm just jaded? >> >> Cheryl > > I trust your hubby thinks jade is priceless. It's all in the attitude, > mon cheri. (G) And how's the better half doin'? Cheryl

Ian Goddard wrote: > Bob Melson wrote: >> Following the gramps-users mailing list, however, I do >> see that there's an "aio installer" for gramps 3.2.1 and will soon be one >> for 3.3.0. As I understand it, the "aio installer" installs everything >> needed to run gramps on a windows box. Keep in mind, however, that the >> foregoing is worth exactly what you paid for it. Further deponent saith >> not. > > And, FWIW, do you have a download link for that, Bob? It will be useful > if the attendees at next term's FH workshop can run the same > genealogical S/W as me without having to make the great leap from > darkness into light. In fact, I might even see if I can get the library > IT staff to install it on their machines. > The PortableApps version of Gramps is very easy to install on a Windows USB drive. http://portableapps.com/apps/education/gramps_portable -- Regards Jim Wood, Brisbane

On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:55:09 -0400, singhals <[email protected]> wrote: >Steve Hayes wrote: >> On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 09:15:09 -0400, Bob LeChevalier<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Steve Hayes<[email protected]> wrote: >>>> You see this list of trees that all have things like "10472 >>>> individuals" - so which one is the original and which ones are the copies? >>> >>> Why would it matter? The data is the same. > >I can't find the post where someone wrote the last line above. It was Bob >ONE of the reasons it matters is to trace the earliest >assertion to assess the potential accuracy. > >If a family in New Orleans says their daughter married Gen. >Benjamin Butler's son in 1876, they're only saying it >because it's true and they can't plausibly deny it. If the >General says it, same thing. But if the great-granddaughter >of the New Orleans girl married a Connecticutite whose >family history in 1995 says it -- probably wants looking into. Quite. And if you see it asserted on a web site, but you cannot even see WHO asserted it (as happens on Mundia) then the site does NOT facilitate genealogical networking and communication. I can see a family tree on line that shows A descneding from B and C, and I can switch to pedigree chart view to see the same thing, but I cannot see WHO posted there, and if I don't know who posted it, how can I communicate with them to find the source of their information? -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:25:54 +0100, Ian Goddard wrote: > OK, there's one navigational issue which is a PITA and I've suggested > changing it as a feature request. But I do use it a lot. I find the entire program to be an unintuitive PITA. :) Todd

"singhals" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Dave C wrote: >> >> "singhals"<[email protected]> wrote in message >> news:[email protected] >> >> <snip> >> >> >> Thankyou Cheryl - I appreciate your response. You are right about the >> feature spread among various packages, I also find that the (G)UI varies >> from enabling to restrictive, or perhaps enabling to frustrating! > > (G) These days, I tend not to analyze WHY a program doesn't do what I > want; it either does or doesn't; if it doesn't, I use a different program > to do that. My crusader gene timed-out about in the Y2K non-crisis. (g) > <snip> > Cheryl <VBG> Yep and Yep Dave --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to [email protected] ---

john wrote: > On 18/06/2011 22:25, Ian Goddard wrote: >> john wrote: >>> Personally, I can't find anything special in Gramps which would make >>> me want to use it - not even the price! I do not find it very >>> intuitive or easy to use (but then I've only played with it for a >>> couple of hours). >> >> OK, there's one navigational issue which is a PITA and I've suggested >> changing it as a feature request. But I do use it a lot. >> >>> It may be some operating systems have very little choice of genealogy >>> programs so some users have to use Gramps? >> >> The other side of the coin is would I switch OS just to use some other >> genealogy program? Shudders.... >> > > And the OP was using Family Tree Maker on Windows ....... > And newsgroup threads have been known to drift OT..... -- Ian The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang at austonley org uk

On 18/06/2011 22:25, Ian Goddard wrote: > john wrote: >> Personally, I can't find anything special in Gramps which would make >> me want to use it - not even the price! I do not find it very >> intuitive or easy to use (but then I've only played with it for a >> couple of hours). > > OK, there's one navigational issue which is a PITA and I've suggested > changing it as a feature request. But I do use it a lot. > >> It may be some operating systems have very little choice of genealogy >> programs so some users have to use Gramps? > > The other side of the coin is would I switch OS just to use some other > genealogy program? Shudders.... > And the OP was using Family Tree Maker on Windows .......

"Dennis Lee Bieber" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 17:24:01 +1200, "Dave C" <[email protected]> > declaimed the following in soc.genealogy.computing: > <snip> >> Running >> Dual Core 2.7Ghz CPU >> 4GHz Ram > > 4GB? 4GHz would be a very fast memory bus (I just ordered a new Dell > laptop with a 2.2GHz quad-core&hyper-threaded i7 -- it only has a 1.3GHz > memory speed for the 8GB RAM) > -- > Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN > [email protected] HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/ <grin> Yep that would be a slip of the brain, DEFINATELY Bytes not Hertz!! Dave --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to [email protected] ---

On 2011-06-18, Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:45:48 -0600, Bob Melson <[email protected]> wrote: > >>Notably missing from all this has been gramps, which just released it's >>3.3.0 version. While originally a Linux/Unix app, it's available for >>Windows. See http://gramps-project.org/ for details. And, BTW, it's >>free. > > I installed Linux on my computer mainly so I could try it out, but I don't > know how to install it if it didn't come with the Linux distro. > > I've tried asking for help on the Linux ngs, but there's no use asking how to > do something unless you already know how to do it. > > If you don't know how to do it the response is "Don't feed the troll" I have had a vastly different experience in Linux newsgroups. A decade ago, I was asking "dumb" questions and getting lots of help from many kind souls. Now, I try to answer a few questions when I can. One of my real, live email addresses is below. Don't be put off by the "spamtrap" part--it's a sheep in wolf's clothing. Within reason, I'll try to help if you'd like. -- Robert Riches [email protected] (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

john wrote: > Personally, I can't find anything special in Gramps which would make me > want to use it - not even the price! I do not find it very intuitive or > easy to use (but then I've only played with it for a couple of hours). OK, there's one navigational issue which is a PITA and I've suggested changing it as a feature request. But I do use it a lot. > It may be some operating systems have very little choice of genealogy > programs so some users have to use Gramps? The other side of the coin is would I switch OS just to use some other genealogy program? Shudders.... -- Ian The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang at austonley org uk

Bob Melson wrote: > On Saturday 18 June 2011 10:06, Ian Goddard ([email protected]) > opined: > >> Bob Melson wrote: >>> Following the gramps-users mailing list, however, I do >>> see that there's an "aio installer" for gramps 3.2.1 and will soon be >>> one >>> for 3.3.0. As I understand it, the "aio installer" installs everything >>> needed to run gramps on a windows box. Keep in mind, however, that the >>> foregoing is worth exactly what you paid for it. Further deponent saith >>> not. >> And, FWIW, do you have a download link for that, Bob? It will be useful >> if the attendees at next term's FH workshop can run the same >> genealogical S/W as me without having to make the great leap from >> darkness into light. In fact, I might even see if I can get the library >> IT staff to install it on their machines. >> >> -- >> Ian >> >> The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang >> at austonley org uk > > Ian: > > I'm not quite so negative as John is in a follow-on post. Neither am I as Gramps the only recognised genealogy package I use. Although I have a fair amount of stuff in an Informix database as well... -- Ian The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang at austonley org uk

john ffitch wrote: > I was wondering if there wsa software (preferably on Linux) that could > take a GED file and prune it to just direct ancestors of an individual. > Or should I just hacl one up? On Linux you can use Gramps. Family Trees > Manage family trees Click on New to create a new tree Click on Load (the new tree might be empty but you've still got to load it). Family Trees > Import In the People view select your target individual Family Trees > Export Follow the export wizard until you get to the GEDCOM export options and one of the options in the drop-down list for Person Filter will be the ancestors of your target. -- Ian The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang at austonley org uk

On 18/06/2011 18:06, Ian Goddard wrote: > Bob Melson wrote: >> Following the gramps-users mailing list, however, I do >> see that there's an "aio installer" for gramps 3.2.1 and will soon be one >> for 3.3.0. As I understand it, the "aio installer" installs everything >> needed to run gramps on a windows box. Keep in mind, however, that the >> foregoing is worth exactly what you paid for it. Further deponent saith >> not. > > And, FWIW, do you have a download link for that, Bob? It will be useful > if the attendees at next term's FH workshop can run the same > genealogical S/W as me without having to make the great leap from > darkness into light. In fact, I might even see if I can get the library > IT staff to install it on their machines. > Information on GrampsAIO at http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Gramps_Software_Bundle_for_Windows which leads to http://rapidshare.com/users/K65PY0 - which is a pain as, unless you have a RapidPro account, you have to wait a few minutes (why aren't they using sourceforge?). The versions are about 40 Mb downloads. Personally, I can't find anything special in Gramps which would make me want to use it - not even the price! I do not find it very intuitive or easy to use (but then I've only played with it for a couple of hours). It may be some operating systems have very little choice of genealogy programs so some users have to use Gramps? I've been happy to pay something for a good program which I knew I was going to use a lot over many years. I did an evaluation for my own use five or more years ago of most of the Windows programs then available and opted for The Master Genealogist (TMG). I've not regretted my decision as it has done just about all I've needed and has good support. The only other program I use very occasionally is Genbox, not for data entry, etc but because it has an "everyone" chart option not available in TMG v7 (Genbox has also not been updated for many years).

I was wondering if there wsa software (preferably on Linux) that could take a GED file and prune it to just direct ancestors of an individual. Or should I just hacl one up? -- ==John ffitch

On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 09:15:09 -0400, Bob LeChevalier <[email protected]> wrote: >Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote: >>You see this list of trees that all have things like "10472 >>individuals" - so which one is the original and which ones are the copies? > >Why would it matter? The data is the same. And the errors are the same and the unexplained sources are the same. And you need to find the first person who entered the data , rather than those who just mindlessly copied and pasted it, which they made A sn B the parents of C, rather than D and E, and what sources they used. >>There is no point in trying to make contact with the "owner" of a tree that is >>apparently exactly the same as five or six others if they have just copied the >>whole thing and havent done the research. > >The obvious thing to do is to ASK them. The whole point of a >social-network based genealogy system is to get people communicating, >not just looking at other people's data and trying to read their mind >to determine why they entered what they did before copying it. >Ancestry has been trying to felicitate cooperative genealogy for >years, not generally with much success. Older trees and those created >solely by massive GEDCOM uploads (that frequently do not specify >sources) will tend not to be designed for use by others. And that is precidely the thing that Mundia makes so difficult. If it made that easier, I might take it more serriously. -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

You could also use LifeLines. Unlike Gramps, however, you would have to write a short report generating program to output your GEDCOM.