> The whole beauty of GEDCOM is that it is a *STANDARD* It was pointed out to me at the NGS conference in Portland last May by a member of the Family History Department's architectural committee that GEDCOM is NOT a "standard". It is simply a specification. This change in wording indicates the Church's policy regarding the use of GEDCOM as a transfer medium. Bill

On 09/12/2017 01:18, Joe Roberts wrote: > "Steve Hayes" wrote: >> Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >> >>> On 09/11/2017 4:13 am, Steve Hayes wrote: >>>> The last couple of times I've been to the Find-a-Grave site I've been >>>> taken to the new one, and have pretty quickly switched back to the >>>> old, because the new one is so difficult to use, mainly because it's >>>> much harder to read on screen. >>>> >>>> My review here: >>>> >>>> https://t.co/KVyo9ZxFIq >>>> >>>> It's fine for people to update web sites, provided the new one is >>>> better than the old, but in this case they should have heeded the old >>>> motto: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. >>> >>> The new search facilities are fine except for one tiny problem: they >>> are, for me anyhow, restricted to the USA and Canada, nothing in the >>> British Isles. >> >> I haven't tried searching with the new one, because I find it too >> difficult to read what's on the screen to even find out how to do it. >> >> -- >> Steve Hayes >> http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm >> http://khanya.wordpress.com > > > Regarding the new Find-a-Grave site: > > I'll be brief. It's awful. > > On the old site, each person's Memorial page was concise and complete. It > offered clear links to more information and sources if desired. > > The new site shows less, and now requires more clicks to go hunting for > anything else that "might" be there. > > It appears to be a way for displaying advertising. > > Do they care? > They certainly care for the advertising. -- Graeme Wall This account not read.

On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:44:47 +0000, Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@powys.org> wrote: >On 09/11/2017 4:13 am, Steve Hayes wrote: >> The last couple of times I've been to the Find-a-Grave site I've been >> taken to the new one, and have pretty quickly switched back to the >> old, because the new one is so difficult to use, mainly because it's >> much harder to read on screen. >> >> My review here: >> >> https://t.co/KVyo9ZxFIq >> >> It's fine for people to update web sites, provided the new one is >> better than the old, but in this case they should have heeded the old >> motto: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. > >The new search facilities are fine except for one tiny problem: they >are, for me anyhow, restricted to the USA and Canada, nothing in the >British Isles. I haven't tried searching with the new one, because I find it too difficult to read what's on the screen to even find out how to do it. -- Steve Hayes http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm http://khanya.wordpress.com

"Steve Hayes" wrote: > Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > >>On 09/11/2017 4:13 am, Steve Hayes wrote: >>> The last couple of times I've been to the Find-a-Grave site I've been >>> taken to the new one, and have pretty quickly switched back to the >>> old, because the new one is so difficult to use, mainly because it's >>> much harder to read on screen. >>> >>> My review here: >>> >>> https://t.co/KVyo9ZxFIq >>> >>> It's fine for people to update web sites, provided the new one is >>> better than the old, but in this case they should have heeded the old >>> motto: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. >> >>The new search facilities are fine except for one tiny problem: they >>are, for me anyhow, restricted to the USA and Canada, nothing in the >>British Isles. > > I haven't tried searching with the new one, because I find it too > difficult to read what's on the screen to even find out how to do it. > > -- > Steve Hayes > http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm > http://khanya.wordpress.com Regarding the new Find-a-Grave site: I'll be brief. It's awful. On the old site, each person's Memorial page was concise and complete. It offered clear links to more information and sources if desired. The new site shows less, and now requires more clicks to go hunting for anything else that "might" be there. It appears to be a way for displaying advertising. Do they care? Joe

On 09/11/2017 4:13 am, Steve Hayes wrote: > The last couple of times I've been to the Find-a-Grave site I've been > taken to the new one, and have pretty quickly switched back to the > old, because the new one is so difficult to use, mainly because it's > much harder to read on screen. > > My review here: > > https://t.co/KVyo9ZxFIq > > It's fine for people to update web sites, provided the new one is > better than the old, but in this case they should have heeded the old > motto: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. The new search facilities are fine except for one tiny problem: they are, for me anyhow, restricted to the USA and Canada, nothing in the British Isles. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 08:24:50 -0500, Gary <gary_w1@hotmail.com> wrote: >I'd like to create a series of index cards, one per family group, in >order to make my research more thorough. I seem to remember older apps >that allowed you to do this automatically for all families. Now I >cannot find anytrhing that permits it. > >Does anybody klnow of a program that will generate all family groups >and created a printed report I can edit and print out on cards? Unfortunately the only way I know of doing that is to go into software archaeology. I had (still have) two apps that will print out 3x5" or 6x4" cards from a PAF 2.x database, though I think both of them only did it one family at a time. And unfortunately the PAF 2.x database is not Y2K compatible, so any dates after 1999 will produce errors. I'll crosspost this to soc.genealogy.computing in case anyone there has had any news of more recent software that can do this. -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/

Agreed. What is the name of that overlay they put on things? It's been done to a whole range of sites. On 09/11/2017, pholm <pholm469@gmail.com> wrote: > On 11/8/2017 10:13 PM, Steve Hayes wrote: >> The last couple of times I've been to the Find-a-Grave site I've been >> taken to the new one, and have pretty quickly switched back to the >> old, because the new one is so difficult to use, mainly because it's >> much harder to read on screen. >> >> My review here: >> >> https://t.co/KVyo9ZxFIq >> >> It's fine for people to update web sites, provided the new one is >> better than the old, but in this case they should have heeded the old >> motto: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. >> >> > > > "New and Improved" is absolutely not better. It is terrible. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENCMP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

On 11/8/2017 10:13 PM, Steve Hayes wrote: > The last couple of times I've been to the Find-a-Grave site I've been > taken to the new one, and have pretty quickly switched back to the > old, because the new one is so difficult to use, mainly because it's > much harder to read on screen. > > My review here: > > https://t.co/KVyo9ZxFIq > > It's fine for people to update web sites, provided the new one is > better than the old, but in this case they should have heeded the old > motto: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. > > "New and Improved" is absolutely not better. It is terrible.

The last couple of times I've been to the Find-a-Grave site I've been taken to the new one, and have pretty quickly switched back to the old, because the new one is so difficult to use, mainly because it's much harder to read on screen. My review here: https://t.co/KVyo9ZxFIq It's fine for people to update web sites, provided the new one is better than the old, but in this case they should have heeded the old motto: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. -- Steve Hayes http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm http://khanya.wordpress.com

Ich freue mich mitteilen zu dürfen, daß mein "Altoesterreichisches Lesebuch" mit wertvollen Nachschlagewerken und Geschichten und Anekdoten auf die Netzseite der Familia Austria uebernommen wird. Die Uebernahme ist bereits im Gange. Sie finden Teile der Bestaende bereits unter: https://www.familia-austria.at/index.php/forschung-und-service/155 -altoesterreichisches-lesebuch Neben vielen Geschichten die sonst im Netz nicht verfuegbar sind, auch z.B. von Peter Rosegger, gibt es schon - den Nomenclator, ein Berufe-Woerterbuch (Latein - Deutsch - Boehmisch) - eine "Deutsche Fibel", ein deutsches Schulbuch aus dem Jahr 1901 aus der USA. Taeglich werden nun weitere Artikel dazukommen. Und Sie sind eingeladen nach Herzenslust zu lesen. Mit Gruss Gerhard Marterer

On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 00:54:03 -0700 (PDT), ????? ??????? <nourseka11@gmail.com> wrote: >????? ??????? ??????? ???????? That looks questionable. -- Steve Hayes http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm http://khanya.wordpress.com

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What the heck does this have to do about family tree research ??? Translated.. Arab House for Administrative Development In cooperation with the International Federation of Human Development Institutions Training Course Internal Audit (foundations and applications) Cairo, Malaysia During the period from 29 October to 2 November 2017 The objective of the program is to improve the efficiency of the internal auditor in the government units, by identifying the modern tools and methods of the auditor - evaluating and examining the structure of internal control - and the report on efficiency and effectiveness under the conditions and characteristics of government activity. (The problems - control procedures - international auditing requirements and standards), tools for checking and evaluating the internal control of government units, tools for examining and evaluating accounting control in government units (traditional - modern) Tools for the Examination and Evaluation of Administrative Control in Government Units, Performance Standards and Standards of Government Audit Performance, Quality Control Standards within Internal Audit Department, Relationship between Internal Auditor in Government Units and External Control Bodies: Ministry of Finance, Ministry of Planning, Other Kabah, the internal audit program in government units (elements of success - components - goals), and finally activating the role of the government's internal audit reports. Targeted: Audit, examination and performance appraisal staff in government units and financial departments. On this occasion, we are happy to invite you to participate and circulate our speech to those interested in the subject of the program and to inform us of those you propose to invite them, knowing that the subscription fee is 1400 US dollars per person. For more information you can contact Deputy Director of Training Sarah Abdel Gawad Mobile: 00201112694608 Phone: 0020237800693 - 0020237800583 Fax: 0020237800573 - 0020235866323 E-mail: SaraGwadi@Gmail.Com On 9/16/2017 4:18 AM, ادارة التدريب wrote: > الدار العربية للتنمية الإدارية > بالتعاون مع الإتحاد الدولى لمؤسسات التنمية البشرية > الدورة التدريبية > المراجعة الداخلية (الأسس والتطبيقات ) > القاهرة – ماليزيا > خلال الفترة من 29 أكتوبر الى 2 نوفمبر 2017 م > يهدف البرنامج الي رفع كفاءة المراجع الداخلى فى الوحدات الحكومية، من خلال التعرف على الأدوات والأساليب الحديثة فى المدقق - تقييم وفحص هيكل الرقابة الداخلية - والتقرير عن الكفاءة والفعالية فى ظل ظروف وخصائص النشاط الحكومى. > وذلك من خلال موضوعات عدة منها عرض لهيكل الرقابة الداخلية فى ظل التشغيل الألكترونى للبيانات (المشاكل - إجراءات الرقابة - متطلبات ومعايير المراجعة الدولية)، أدوات فحص وتقييم الضبط الداخلى فى الوحدات الحكومية ، أدوات فحص وتقييم الرقابة المحاسبية فى الوحدات الحكومية ( التقليدية - الحديثة )، أدوات فحص وتقييم الرقابة الإدارية فى الوحدات الحكومية، مقومات ومعايير أداء المراجعة الحكومية، معايير رقابة الجودة داخل إدارة المراجعة الداخلية، العلاقة بين المراجع الداخلى فى الوحدات الحكومية والأجهزة الرقابية الخارجية : وزارة المالية- وزارة التخطيط - أجهزة رقابية أخرى ، برنامج المراجعة الداخلية فى الوحدات الحكومية ( مقومات النجاح - المكونات - الأهداف )، وأخيرا تفعيل دور تقارير المراجع الداخلى الحكومى. > مستهدفين في ذلك : العاملون فى مجال المراجعة وفحص الحسابات وتقييم الأداء فى الوحدات الحكومية والإدارات المالية.وكل ذي صلة. > > > وبهذه المناسبة يسعدنا دعوتكم للمشاركة وتعميم خطابنا على المهتمين بموضوع البرنامج وإفادتنا بمن تقترحون توجيه الدعوة لهم علماً بأن رسوم الاشتراك 1400 دولار أمريكى للفرد. > > > > لمزيد من المعلومات يمكنكم التواصل مع > نائب مدير التدريب > أ / سارة عبد الجواد > جوال : 00201112694608 > هاتف : 0020237800693 – 0020237800583 > فاكس : 0020237800573 – 0020235866323 > بريد إلكتروني : SaraGwadi@Gmail.Com > > > > > >

الدار العربية للتنمية الإدارية بالتعاون مع الإتحاد الدولى لمؤسسات التنمية البشرية الدورة التدريبية الإستراتيجيات الحديثة للعلاقات العامة وتحسين الصورة الذهنية للمؤسسات القاهرة – ماليزيا خلال الفترة من 29 أكتوبر الى 2 نوفمبر 2017 م بهدف التعرف على تطور أهمية العلاقات العامة فى المنشآت الحديثة ودراسة المفهوم المعاصر الحديث للعلاقات العامة فى ضوء الفكر الإعلامي والجوانب التنظيمية للعلاقات العامة ومعرفة تنظيم إدارات العلاقات العامة، وكذلك دراسة النشاط الإتصالى للعلاقات العامة ومدى إمكانية تقييم نشاط العلاقات العامة؛ كان انعقاد هذا البرنامج والذي يعرض من خلال إطاره العلمي إلى محاور عدة منها: تطور أهمية العلاقات العامة فى المنشآت الحديثة، المفهوم المعاصر للعلاقات العامة فى ضوء الفكر الإعلامى الحديث، الجوانب التنظيمية للعلاقات العامة، تنظيم إدارات العلاقات العامة، النشاط الإتصالي للعلاقات العامة، تقييم نشاط العلاقات العامة. مستهدفين في ذلك: المديرين والعاملين في إدارات وأقسام العلاقات العامة والإعلام والقيادات الإدارية في الوزارات والهيئات والمؤسسات. وبهذه المناسبة يسعدنا دعوتكم للمشاركة وتعميم خطابنا على المهتمين بموضوع البرنامج وإفادتنا بمن تقترحون توجيه الدعوة لهم علماً بأن رسوم الاشتراك 1400 دولار أمريكى للفرد. لمزيد من المعلومات يمكنكم التواصل مع نائب مدير التدريب أ / سارة عبد الجواد جوال : 00201112694608 هاتف : 0020237800693 – 0020237800583 فاكس : 0020237800573 – 0020235866323 بريد إلكتروني : SaraGwadi@Gmail.Com

> The short answer to the actual question is yes, a living person will > have the right to have their posts on a message service deleted. Sadly > we will not only be able to have the silly ones deleted - the right > conferred is to have 'all' data deleted (drat!). There is an exemption > if the removal would be impossible, and I suppose Ancestry could argue > that because of the 'threaded' nature of messages, and the fact that > people don't always reply to the thread but start a new one, it is > impossible. It will be interesting to see how that pans out. As I made clear earlier I had in mind the problem of people wishing to erase BMD records which I think Bob's comment covers. However Kim's comment also raises an interesting point in relation to newsgroups. Presumably the individual newsgroup server operators all come under the heading of data processors but it's difficult to see who would be the controller. -- Hotmail is my spam bin. Real address is ianng at austonley org uk

This was sent to me off-group. Take it as a post from Kim: Good morning Ian I saw your comment on the GENBRIT message board. I couldn't reply via the board because I'm not a subscriber to the mailing list as I find it easier just to check the archive every week, but as a business consultant with a GDPR accreditation (a bit like a Brownie badge, but there you are...) this is my two penn'orth. Please feel free to ignore, but if you want to quote from it in a post that's fine. The short answer to the actual question is yes, a living person will have the right to have their posts on a message service deleted. Sadly we will not only be able to have the silly ones deleted - the right conferred is to have 'all' data deleted (drat!). There is an exemption if the removal would be impossible, and I suppose Ancestry could argue that because of the 'threaded' nature of messages, and the fact that people don't always reply to the thread but start a new one, it is impossible. It will be interesting to see how that pans out. Under the right of erasure the data controller (Ancestry) also has to notify any other person or organisation who 'processes' the data. However, GDPR doesn't apply to individuals using data for domestic purposes (eg hobbies) so there's no need for Ancestry to ask other private users to delete anything. GDPR only confers rights on living people. Somebody asked whether that meant data could be reinstated by the controller after the person has died. Yes, it could, but I doubt if anyone would bother unless it was something really juicy. The controller would have to assure themselves that whatever was reinstated did not contain data on any other living person. Ancestry are, of course, headquartered in the US. They have not (yet?) signed up to the EU-US Privacy Shield, which is the leading mechanism for transferring data between the EU and the US. It's up to individual corporations in the US to register if they want to, and many large corporation have. However, I do understand why Ancestry haven't done this yet because they will not be absolutely sure what they are signing up to - the GDPR allows member countries to add to/modify some of the details of the rules in a limited way, and the handling of sensitive data is one of those areas. The UK government has issued a 'Statement of intent' but the text of the UK bill will not be out for another couple of weeks. 'For our customers in Europe, we are adhering to the requirements set forth in the EU’s Data Protection Directive 95/46/EC on the onward transfer of personal information from Europe. One of the mechanisms for onward transfer, the Safe Harbor framework between the EU and the United States was invalidated by the European Court of Justice on October 6, 2015. Recently, the EU Commission has adopted The EU-US Privacy Shield framework for transatlantic data flows. We are presently reviewing the new framework. In the interim, we continue to rely on another EU authorized mechanism to transfer data outside of the EEA, the Standard Contract Clauses, which include contractual commitments by Ancestry European entities and our US affiliates, along with other processors outside the EEA, when processing European personal information on our behalf, to uphold European data protection standards with respect to personal information of European residents in our care. Ensuring data protection and security for our members’ personal information is important to us.' Hope this is of interest. All the best Kim Groothuis -- Hotmail is my spam bin. Real address is ianng at austonley org uk

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 18:59:24 -0500, Charlie Hoffpauir <invalid@invalid.com> wrote: >On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 21:06:45 GMT, Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh >Sullivan) wrote: > >>One way to get the correct info is to tell a female, probably in her >>early 40s, you have her in genealogy as age 53. I can guarantee that >>it works. > >LOL! >Surely the PC Police are going to get you! I think I already have the record for that. Hugh --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com

On 16/08/17 20:48, BobC wrote: > In article <evigtvFh6ogU1@mid.individual.net>, goddai01@hotmail.co.uk > says... >> >> On 15/08/17 21:40, Richard Carruthers wrote: >>> It would be a total nonsense if it didn't refer only to living people. >>> >> >> Birth and marriage records of living people are on such sites. If >> someone were to be removed under GDPR whilst still alive they would (a) >> not be readily connected by contemporaries out of touch but trying to >> research their wider family and (b) remain removed once no longer living >> to the disadvantage of future researchers. >> >> More significantly, if the managers of the sites aren't aware of the >> situation they may not have reviewed the legal position nor have >> processes in place to respond. This could expose them to significant >> fines which could have implications for the whole user community. >> >> The underlying registration records are statutory. Presumably they >> don't fall under the proposed legislation giving effect to GDPR: >> https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/635900/2017-08-07_DP_Bill_-_Statement_of_Intent.pdf >> >> But what is the status of the indices, both those officially published >> by GRO and the online databases such as FreeBMD derived from them? And >> do they actually contain Personally Identifiable Information within the >> meaning of the regulation or the Act intended to give it effect in the >> UK or are they too minimal? > > This extract from the ICO (https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/data- > protection-reform/overview-of-the-gdpr/individuals-rights/the-right-to- > erasure/) on the "right of erasure" may help : > ============== > When can I refuse to comply with a request for erasure? > > You can refuse to comply with a request for erasure where the personal > data is processed for the following reasons: > > <snip> > archiving purposes in the public interest, scientific research > historical research or statistical purposes; or > <snip> > ============== > Clearly this is just a single reference in what are complex regulations > but does seem to indicate there should be little impact on most things > we are interested in. > > Of course if companies adopt the "'elf & safety" approach and stop doing > anything in case there is a lawsuit then maybe things will change. > Thanks, Bob. Hopefully the various site administrations will have taken advice based on this in advance of receiving any requests, otherwise a panic response could result in deletions and raise endless problems for later researchers. -- Hotmail is my spam bin. Real address is ianng at austonley org uk