In article <cccv3914582ibhufbvk0nps6emc1gdnho2@4ax.com>, ce11son@yahoo.ca says... > > On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 01:47:24 +0200, Richard van Schaik > <f.m.a.vanschaikREMOVE@THISgmail.com> wrote: > > >On 22-09-2013 22:53, Charles Ellson wrote: > >> On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 21:34:02 +0100, BobC <calverb-null@yahoo.co.uk> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> In article <l1n26k$5ps$1@dont-email.me>, > >>> f.m.a.vanschaikREMOVE@THISgmail.com says... > >>>> > >>>> On 22-09-2013 16:53, Richard van Schaik wrote: > >>>>> Hi, > >>>>> > >>>>> While playing a but with the new beta of the National Archives I came > >>>>> across: > >>>>> http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/s/res?_fn=&_ln=Schaik&_occ=&_pl=&_q=&_sd=&_ed=&_ser=PROB+11&_dt=W&_col=online&image1.x=59&image1.y=18 > >>>>> > >>>>> That is the family http://www.fmavanschaik.nl/TNCg04.htm#43010 and I > >>>>> never found anything indicating they had some connection in England > >>>>> (Excuse but the page is mostly in Dutch). So I'm wondering why there is > >>>>> a will for both of them in England and maybe some is willing to look at > >>>>> those wills to see if it will be worthwhile for me to download them. It > >>>>> is for my research of the surname Van Schaik in any spelling but I do > >>>>> not have any connection to this family (as yet that is). > >>>> > >>>> See now I overlooked that there is some information about property in > >>>> England mentioned in 1760 and 1787 in Utrecht. > >>>> > >>>> Richard > >>> > >>> I think that provides your answer - the wills would have to be proved in > >>> England > >>> > >> The wills are proved in their home country. The appropriate authority > >> in England (now a judge who signs and seals the foreign grant or > >> equivalent - see e.g. the many entries in the PRFD indexes for > >> Scottish grants which have been re-sealed) allows the instructions in > >> the will to be exercised in England so far as they accord with English > >> Law. In the case of Scottish wills post 1857 whose grants have been > >> re-sealed there are no copies of the wills held by the PRFD but if any > >> foreign _grants_ were filed and they were indivisible from the > >> associated will then possibly there might be something held in > >> England. > > > >Any new to me, like English possessions clearly described, family not > >known mentioned or the like is for me enough information to download. > > > Well, the index does specify the "will" in both cases (and 3 pages for > each) so that is what you should expect to find but it's no great The point I was making was that people don't make a variety of wills for the different property they own. They make one will and it is up to the executors to get it dealt with by the authorities in the different jurisdictions. For instance Antony may have simply left "all my property" to his wife. This means that you should expect to find nothing in the English documents that wouldn't be in the original Dutch ones, other than possibly an inventory of the English property taken at the time the Probate was granted. This would be what is known now as "limited administration" - i.e. the scope of the administration granted by the English court is limited to the property that lies in its jurisdiction. BobC

On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:25:32 +0100, BobC <calverb-null@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >In article <cccv3914582ibhufbvk0nps6emc1gdnho2@4ax.com>, >ce11son@yahoo.ca says... >> >> On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 01:47:24 +0200, Richard van Schaik >> <f.m.a.vanschaikREMOVE@THISgmail.com> wrote: >> >> >On 22-09-2013 22:53, Charles Ellson wrote: >> >> On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 21:34:02 +0100, BobC <calverb-null@yahoo.co.uk> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> In article <l1n26k$5ps$1@dont-email.me>, >> >>> f.m.a.vanschaikREMOVE@THISgmail.com says... >> >>>> >> >>>> On 22-09-2013 16:53, Richard van Schaik wrote: >> >>>>> Hi, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> While playing a but with the new beta of the National Archives I came >> >>>>> across: >> >>>>> http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/s/res?_fn=&_ln=Schaik&_occ=&_pl=&_q=&_sd=&_ed=&_ser=PROB+11&_dt=W&_col=online&image1.x=59&image1.y=18 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> That is the family http://www.fmavanschaik.nl/TNCg04.htm#43010 and I >> >>>>> never found anything indicating they had some connection in England >> >>>>> (Excuse but the page is mostly in Dutch). So I'm wondering why there is >> >>>>> a will for both of them in England and maybe some is willing to look at >> >>>>> those wills to see if it will be worthwhile for me to download them. It >> >>>>> is for my research of the surname Van Schaik in any spelling but I do >> >>>>> not have any connection to this family (as yet that is). >> >>>> >> >>>> See now I overlooked that there is some information about property in >> >>>> England mentioned in 1760 and 1787 in Utrecht. >> >>>> >> >>>> Richard >> >>> >> >>> I think that provides your answer - the wills would have to be proved in >> >>> England >> >>> >> >> The wills are proved in their home country. The appropriate authority >> >> in England (now a judge who signs and seals the foreign grant or >> >> equivalent - see e.g. the many entries in the PRFD indexes for >> >> Scottish grants which have been re-sealed) allows the instructions in >> >> the will to be exercised in England so far as they accord with English >> >> Law. In the case of Scottish wills post 1857 whose grants have been >> >> re-sealed there are no copies of the wills held by the PRFD but if any >> >> foreign _grants_ were filed and they were indivisible from the >> >> associated will then possibly there might be something held in >> >> England. >> > >> >Any new to me, like English possessions clearly described, family not >> >known mentioned or the like is for me enough information to download. >> > >> Well, the index does specify the "will" in both cases (and 3 pages for >> each) so that is what you should expect to find but it's no great > >The point I was making was that people don't make a variety of wills for >the different property they own. > Not normally but I have come across an example (1937?) of someone dealing separately with a park and buildings willed to the local council from the rest of his property. >They make one will and it is up to >the executors to get it dealt with by the authorities in the different >jurisdictions. For instance Antony may have simply left "all my >property" to his wife. > >This means that you should expect to find nothing in the English >documents that wouldn't be in the original Dutch ones, other than >possibly an inventory of the English property taken at the time the >Probate was granted. > >This would be what is known now as "limited administration" - i.e. the >scope of the administration granted by the English court is limited to >the property that lies in its jurisdiction. > >BobC