On 22-09-2013 16:53, Richard van Schaik wrote: > Hi, > > While playing a but with the new beta of the National Archives I came > across: > http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/s/res?_fn=&_ln=Schaik&_occ=&_pl=&_q=&_sd=&_ed=&_ser=PROB+11&_dt=W&_col=online&image1.x=59&image1.y=18 > > That is the family http://www.fmavanschaik.nl/TNCg04.htm#43010 and I > never found anything indicating they had some connection in England > (Excuse but the page is mostly in Dutch). So I'm wondering why there is > a will for both of them in England and maybe some is willing to look at > those wills to see if it will be worthwhile for me to download them. It > is for my research of the surname Van Schaik in any spelling but I do > not have any connection to this family (as yet that is). See now I overlooked that there is some information about property in England mentioned in 1760 and 1787 in Utrecht. Richard -- Richard van Schaik f.m.a.vanschaikREMOVE@THISgmail.com http://www.fmavanschaik.nl/ The world is one big madhouse and this is main office.

In article <l1n26k$5ps$1@dont-email.me>, f.m.a.vanschaikREMOVE@THISgmail.com says... > > On 22-09-2013 16:53, Richard van Schaik wrote: > > Hi, > > > > While playing a but with the new beta of the National Archives I came > > across: > > http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/s/res?_fn=&_ln=Schaik&_occ=&_pl=&_q=&_sd=&_ed=&_ser=PROB+11&_dt=W&_col=online&image1.x=59&image1.y=18 > > > > That is the family http://www.fmavanschaik.nl/TNCg04.htm#43010 and I > > never found anything indicating they had some connection in England > > (Excuse but the page is mostly in Dutch). So I'm wondering why there is > > a will for both of them in England and maybe some is willing to look at > > those wills to see if it will be worthwhile for me to download them. It > > is for my research of the surname Van Schaik in any spelling but I do > > not have any connection to this family (as yet that is). > > See now I overlooked that there is some information about property in > England mentioned in 1760 and 1787 in Utrecht. > > Richard I think that provides your answer - the wills would have to be proved in England in relation to the property in England in order for the title to pass from Antony to Catherina and then, possibly, to be sold in winding- up her estate. The Wills are likely to be just the same as any Wills you can find in Duch records (perhaps there will be a notarised translation for the English courts). BobC

On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 21:34:02 +0100, BobC <calverb-null@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >In article <l1n26k$5ps$1@dont-email.me>, >f.m.a.vanschaikREMOVE@THISgmail.com says... >> >> On 22-09-2013 16:53, Richard van Schaik wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > While playing a but with the new beta of the National Archives I came >> > across: >> > http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/s/res?_fn=&_ln=Schaik&_occ=&_pl=&_q=&_sd=&_ed=&_ser=PROB+11&_dt=W&_col=online&image1.x=59&image1.y=18 >> > >> > That is the family http://www.fmavanschaik.nl/TNCg04.htm#43010 and I >> > never found anything indicating they had some connection in England >> > (Excuse but the page is mostly in Dutch). So I'm wondering why there is >> > a will for both of them in England and maybe some is willing to look at >> > those wills to see if it will be worthwhile for me to download them. It >> > is for my research of the surname Van Schaik in any spelling but I do >> > not have any connection to this family (as yet that is). >> >> See now I overlooked that there is some information about property in >> England mentioned in 1760 and 1787 in Utrecht. >> >> Richard > >I think that provides your answer - the wills would have to be proved in >England > The wills are proved in their home country. The appropriate authority in England (now a judge who signs and seals the foreign grant or equivalent - see e.g. the many entries in the PRFD indexes for Scottish grants which have been re-sealed) allows the instructions in the will to be exercised in England so far as they accord with English Law. In the case of Scottish wills post 1857 whose grants have been re-sealed there are no copies of the wills held by the PRFD but if any foreign _grants_ were filed and they were indivisible from the associated will then possibly there might be something held in England. >in relation to the property in England in order for the title to >pass from Antony to Catherina and then, possibly, to be sold in winding- >up her estate. The Wills are likely to be just the same as any Wills >you can find in Duch records (perhaps there will be a notarised >translation for the English courts). > >BobC > > >

On 22-09-2013 22:34, BobC wrote: > In article <l1n26k$5ps$1@dont-email.me>, > f.m.a.vanschaikREMOVE@THISgmail.com says... >> >> On 22-09-2013 16:53, Richard van Schaik wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> While playing a but with the new beta of the National Archives I came >>> across: >>> http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/s/res?_fn=&_ln=Schaik&_occ=&_pl=&_q=&_sd=&_ed=&_ser=PROB+11&_dt=W&_col=online&image1.x=59&image1.y=18 >>> >>> That is the family http://www.fmavanschaik.nl/TNCg04.htm#43010 and I >>> never found anything indicating they had some connection in England >>> (Excuse but the page is mostly in Dutch). So I'm wondering why there is >>> a will for both of them in England and maybe some is willing to look at >>> those wills to see if it will be worthwhile for me to download them. It >>> is for my research of the surname Van Schaik in any spelling but I do >>> not have any connection to this family (as yet that is). >> >> See now I overlooked that there is some information about property in >> England mentioned in 1760 and 1787 in Utrecht. >> >> Richard > > I think that provides your answer - the wills would have to be proved in > England in relation to the property in England in order for the title to > pass from Antony to Catherina and then, possibly, to be sold in winding- > up her estate. The Wills are likely to be just the same as any Wills > you can find in Duch records (perhaps there will be a notarised > translation for the English courts). If its unlikely that I derive some new information from them (I do have the Dutch wills) I can save almost 7 pounds. As far as I can determine its a family without surviving offspring and leaving their possessions to (the children of) siblings. They were very active in Utrecht before the notary leaving loads of traces and evidence. Richard -- Richard van Schaik f.m.a.vanschaikREMOVE@THISgmail.com http://www.fmavanschaik.nl/ The world is one big madhouse and this is main office.