In message <htaps8d0hse85n2ti416hqlpjf7gi0bbbc@4ax.com>, Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> writes: >On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 21:51:09 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" ><G6JPG@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >>In message <51cc89ca$0$15953$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Lesley Robertson >><l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> writes: >>[] >>>Copyright on the original work is until 70 years after the author's >>>death. If you extract information from the text, putting it into your >> >>I'm not sure if things are different when the "author" is a body, or a >>public body, rather than an individual. (Or an individual doing work for >>a body.) >> >They are; with a corporate entity the copyright clock starts ticking >at the time of publication. [] Has it actually been established when "publication" is for something like a page of a register or similar, where there's only the one copy (or possibly two or three)? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Bread is lovely, don't get me wrong. But it's not cake. Or it's rubbish cake. I always thought that bread needed more sugar and some icing. - Sarah Millican (Radio Times 11-17 May 2013)

On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 22:33:29 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote: >In message <htaps8d0hse85n2ti416hqlpjf7gi0bbbc@4ax.com>, Charles Ellson ><ce11son@yahoo.ca> writes: >>On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 21:51:09 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" >><G6JPG@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> >>>In message <51cc89ca$0$15953$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Lesley Robertson >>><l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> writes: >>>[] >>>>Copyright on the original work is until 70 years after the author's >>>>death. If you extract information from the text, putting it into your >>> >>>I'm not sure if things are different when the "author" is a body, or a >>>public body, rather than an individual. (Or an individual doing work for >>>a body.) >>> >>They are; with a corporate entity the copyright clock starts ticking >>at the time of publication. >[] >Has it actually been established when "publication" is for something >like a page of a register or similar, where there's only the one copy >(or possibly two or three)? > Subject to further tweaks for particular circumstances, s.175 of the Copyright Designs and Patents Act 1988 Act starts with :- Meaning of publication and commercial publication. (1)In this Part “publication”, in relation to a work— (a)means the issue of copies to the public, and (b)includes, in the case of a literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work, making it available to the public by means of an electronic retrieval system; [........] followed by various exceptions and by succeeeding sections which generally seem to return to s.175 for the meaning. 1(a) by itself seems to be the core spirit of the meaning. The Interpretation Acts deem that unless said otherwise the plural case includes the singular and vice versa so (assuming the 1988 Act to be applicable) publication of an entry in a register page takes place as soon as someone outwith the sphere of the relevant GRO is supplied with a certified true copy or an image of the entry. With marriage registers it will be almost certain that a copy has been issued very soon after the event but with birth registrations it was common in previous times for only a short extract to be issued and such a document is not a copy of the register entry but of some of the details contained in it; with death registrations it will be fairly certain that a copy has also been issued to permit the disposal of the body but possibly not so when civil registration was first introduced. Moving on to church registers (other than marriages) it is feasible that the entries (distinct from extracted partial details) in a register still in the hands of an individual church have never been "published" in the terms of the 1988 Act (assuming no further exceptions apply to them, maybe s.171(1)(a) "any right or privilege of any person under any enactment") but with the main churches in the UK there are probably very few such registers (apart from those still in use) not held in an archive open to the public.