On 13/06/2013 16:17, Tickettyboo wrote: > On 2013-06-12 21:52:01 +0100, David Mills said: > >> On 12/06/2013 19:28, Charles Ellson wrote: >>> On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:46:16 +0100, David Mills >>> <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 11/06/2013 23:29, Charles Ellson wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:12:09 +0100, David Mills >>>>> <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> My g/gfather ,born ca 1853 was described in the 1911 as an army >>>>>> pensioner. >>>>>> He served practically his whole time in Ireland and then India >>>>>> I have found several alternatives from Free BMD as to where and >>>>>> when he died. >>>>>> Presumably his pension ceased when he died, so can anyone tell me >>>>>> how I >>>>>> can find this information? >>>>>> >>>>> Generally in the National Archives at Kew. See e.g. :- >>>>> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmysoldierupto1913.htm >>>>> >>>>> [soldiers] >>>>> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmyofficerbefore1913.htm >>>>> >>>>> [officers] >>>>> >>>>> Note that FreeBMD only covers England and Wales, he would only have >>>>> needed to be away for the weekend to escape inclusion. >>>>> >>>>> for Scotland :- >>>>> copies of films of death register indexes are available at various LDS >>>>> family history centres, the electronic version can be searched in >>>>> www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk >>>>> >>>>> for Ireland :- >>>>> see www.familysearch.org for an electronic version of the deaths >>>>> indexes up to the 1950s. >>>>> >>>>> Mann :- >>>>> http://www.manxbmd.com/ (third party electronic version of indexes) >>>>> >>>>> However, if he was domiciled in England and Wales and left estate >>>>> requiring probate or administration then wherever he died he should >>>>> feature in the PRFD indexes which can be viewed (up to 196x) in >>>>> Ancestry and compared with your list of possible death index entries. >>>>> >>>> I have his army record which goes from his enlistment to the time he >>>> was >>>> discharged. >>>> However what I am looking for is the date at which his pension >>>> ceased to >>>> be paid. >>>> Is this >>>> This will then give an approximate date of death which will cut down >>>> the >>>> number certificates I will have to buy. >>>> >>> If there is a match in the PRFD indexes then that should give you the >>> actual date of his death and maybe the place. Can you give us his name >>> and birth year and last known whereabouts ? Am I correct in thinking >>> you don't have access to Ancestry ? >>> >> His name was Thomas Aldridge, born 1853 in Braughing,Herts., living >> according to the 1911 census in East Ham with his son Jesse. >> He serve in the army from 1869 to 1888 most of the time in India. >> That is the last sighting of him. >> Jesse was a lot easier to follow into the future. > > There are two entries in the GRO deaths index for Thomas Aldridge born > 1853+/- a year who died in the London area. > 1911 Q3 Fulham - there is a likely corresponding Probate Calendar entry > for this man: > Probate Calendar Thomas of 49 Kinnoul-road Fulham Middlesex, died 24 > September 1911, Administration London 9 October ro Arthur Aldridge > fitter. Effects £300 7s 1d > > The other one was 1929 Q2 St George Hanover Square, I can't see a > Probate Calendar entry for this one, but I looked at the London > Electoral roll for 1929 (which was in force 1st May 1929 to 14th October > 1930, so probably compiled before this death date) and there was a > Thomas Aldridge registered to vote in the Royal Hospital District. > His address was Long Ward so it would seem he was an In Pensioner. Maybe > it was 'your' Thomas and he gave up his pension and went to live in when > he got old? > Its a long shot, I know. > > http://www.chelsea-pensioners.co.uk/tracing-chelsea-pensioner-ancestors > > That page may help you. > Thank you for your info. I had bought the Fulham death certificate some while back but the informant was his son A Aldridge so I ruled that one out. The other in the St Georges Hanover Sq I had ruled out because I thought that that district didn't cover the Chelsea Hospital. However I shall get the certificate based on your info, Thanks tick boo

On 2013-06-13 18:22:37 +0100, David Mills said: > On 13/06/2013 16:17, Tickettyboo wrote: >> On 2013-06-12 21:52:01 +0100, David Mills said: >> >>> On 12/06/2013 19:28, Charles Ellson wrote: >>>> On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:46:16 +0100, David Mills >>>> <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 11/06/2013 23:29, Charles Ellson wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:12:09 +0100, David Mills >>>>>> <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> My g/gfather ,born ca 1853 was described in the 1911 as an army >>>>>>> pensioner. >>>>>>> He served practically his whole time in Ireland and then India >>>>>>> I have found several alternatives from Free BMD as to where and >>>>>>> when he died. >>>>>>> Presumably his pension ceased when he died, so can anyone tell me >>>>>>> how I >>>>>>> can find this information? >>>>>>> >>>>>> Generally in the National Archives at Kew. See e.g. :- >>>>>> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmysoldierupto1913.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [soldiers] >>>>>> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmyofficerbefore1913.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [officers] >>>>>> >>>>>> Note that FreeBMD only covers England and Wales, he would only have >>>>>> needed to be away for the weekend to escape inclusion. >>>>>> >>>>>> for Scotland :- >>>>>> copies of films of death register indexes are available at various LDS >>>>>> family history centres, the electronic version can be searched in >>>>>> www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk >>>>>> >>>>>> for Ireland :- >>>>>> see www.familysearch.org for an electronic version of the deaths >>>>>> indexes up to the 1950s. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mann :- >>>>>> http://www.manxbmd.com/ (third party electronic version of indexes) >>>>>> >>>>>> However, if he was domiciled in England and Wales and left estate >>>>>> requiring probate or administration then wherever he died he should >>>>>> feature in the PRFD indexes which can be viewed (up to 196x) in >>>>>> Ancestry and compared with your list of possible death index entries. >>>>>> >>>>> I have his army record which goes from his enlistment to the time he >>>>> was >>>>> discharged. >>>>> However what I am looking for is the date at which his pension >>>>> ceased to >>>>> be paid. >>>>> Is this >>>>> This will then give an approximate date of death which will cut down >>>>> the >>>>> number certificates I will have to buy. >>>>> >>>> If there is a match in the PRFD indexes then that should give you the >>>> actual date of his death and maybe the place. Can you give us his name >>>> and birth year and last known whereabouts ? Am I correct in thinking >>>> you don't have access to Ancestry ? >>>> >>> His name was Thomas Aldridge, born 1853 in Braughing,Herts., living >>> according to the 1911 census in East Ham with his son Jesse. >>> He serve in the army from 1869 to 1888 most of the time in India. >>> That is the last sighting of him. >>> Jesse was a lot easier to follow into the future. >> >> There are two entries in the GRO deaths index for Thomas Aldridge born >> 1853+/- a year who died in the London area. >> 1911 Q3 Fulham - there is a likely corresponding Probate Calendar entry >> for this man: >> Probate Calendar Thomas of 49 Kinnoul-road Fulham Middlesex, died 24 >> September 1911, Administration London 9 October ro Arthur Aldridge >> fitter. Effects £300 7s 1d >> >> The other one was 1929 Q2 St George Hanover Square, I can't see a >> Probate Calendar entry for this one, but I looked at the London >> Electoral roll for 1929 (which was in force 1st May 1929 to 14th October >> 1930, so probably compiled before this death date) and there was a >> Thomas Aldridge registered to vote in the Royal Hospital District. >> His address was Long Ward so it would seem he was an In Pensioner. Maybe >> it was 'your' Thomas and he gave up his pension and went to live in when >> he got old? >> Its a long shot, I know. >> >> http://www.chelsea-pensioners.co.uk/tracing-chelsea-pensioner-ancestors >> >> That page may help you. >> > Thank you for your info. > I had bought the Fulham death certificate some while back but the > informant was his son A Aldridge so I ruled that one out. > The other in the St Georges Hanover Sq I had ruled out because I > thought that that district didn't cover the Chelsea Hospital. > However I shall get the certificate based on your info, > Thanks tick boo OOh before you order it, I don't know if that district 'does' cover the Chelsea Hospital, but deaths are registered in the district they occur so its still a 'possible'. It was the electoral roll entry that made me wonder. <Boo, hoping David won't bill me if this isn't the correct cert ! :-) > -- Tickettyboo

On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 18:34:20 +0100, Tickettyboo <tickettyboo@mail2oops.com> wrote: >On 2013-06-13 18:22:37 +0100, David Mills said: > >> On 13/06/2013 16:17, Tickettyboo wrote: >>> On 2013-06-12 21:52:01 +0100, David Mills said: >>> >>>> On 12/06/2013 19:28, Charles Ellson wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:46:16 +0100, David Mills >>>>> <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 11/06/2013 23:29, Charles Ellson wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:12:09 +0100, David Mills >>>>>>> <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My g/gfather ,born ca 1853 was described in the 1911 as an army >>>>>>>> pensioner. >>>>>>>> He served practically his whole time in Ireland and then India >>>>>>>> I have found several alternatives from Free BMD as to where and >>>>>>>> when he died. >>>>>>>> Presumably his pension ceased when he died, so can anyone tell me >>>>>>>> how I >>>>>>>> can find this information? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Generally in the National Archives at Kew. See e.g. :- >>>>>>> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmysoldierupto1913.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [soldiers] >>>>>>> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmyofficerbefore1913.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [officers] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Note that FreeBMD only covers England and Wales, he would only have >>>>>>> needed to be away for the weekend to escape inclusion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> for Scotland :- >>>>>>> copies of films of death register indexes are available at various LDS >>>>>>> family history centres, the electronic version can be searched in >>>>>>> www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk >>>>>>> >>>>>>> for Ireland :- >>>>>>> see www.familysearch.org for an electronic version of the deaths >>>>>>> indexes up to the 1950s. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mann :- >>>>>>> http://www.manxbmd.com/ (third party electronic version of indexes) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, if he was domiciled in England and Wales and left estate >>>>>>> requiring probate or administration then wherever he died he should >>>>>>> feature in the PRFD indexes which can be viewed (up to 196x) in >>>>>>> Ancestry and compared with your list of possible death index entries. >>>>>>> >>>>>> I have his army record which goes from his enlistment to the time he >>>>>> was >>>>>> discharged. >>>>>> However what I am looking for is the date at which his pension >>>>>> ceased to >>>>>> be paid. >>>>>> Is this >>>>>> This will then give an approximate date of death which will cut down >>>>>> the >>>>>> number certificates I will have to buy. >>>>>> >>>>> If there is a match in the PRFD indexes then that should give you the >>>>> actual date of his death and maybe the place. Can you give us his name >>>>> and birth year and last known whereabouts ? Am I correct in thinking >>>>> you don't have access to Ancestry ? >>>>> >>>> His name was Thomas Aldridge, born 1853 in Braughing,Herts., living >>>> according to the 1911 census in East Ham with his son Jesse. >>>> He serve in the army from 1869 to 1888 most of the time in India. >>>> That is the last sighting of him. >>>> Jesse was a lot easier to follow into the future. >>> >>> There are two entries in the GRO deaths index for Thomas Aldridge born >>> 1853+/- a year who died in the London area. >>> 1911 Q3 Fulham - there is a likely corresponding Probate Calendar entry >>> for this man: >>> Probate Calendar Thomas of 49 Kinnoul-road Fulham Middlesex, died 24 >>> September 1911, Administration London 9 October ro Arthur Aldridge >>> fitter. Effects £300 7s 1d >>> >>> The other one was 1929 Q2 St George Hanover Square, I can't see a >>> Probate Calendar entry for this one, but I looked at the London >>> Electoral roll for 1929 (which was in force 1st May 1929 to 14th October >>> 1930, so probably compiled before this death date) and there was a >>> Thomas Aldridge registered to vote in the Royal Hospital District. >>> His address was Long Ward so it would seem he was an In Pensioner. Maybe >>> it was 'your' Thomas and he gave up his pension and went to live in when >>> he got old? >>> Its a long shot, I know. >>> >>> http://www.chelsea-pensioners.co.uk/tracing-chelsea-pensioner-ancestors >>> >>> That page may help you. >>> >> Thank you for your info. >> I had bought the Fulham death certificate some while back but the >> informant was his son A Aldridge so I ruled that one out. >> The other in the St Georges Hanover Sq I had ruled out because I >> thought that that district didn't cover the Chelsea Hospital. >> However I shall get the certificate based on your info, >> Thanks tick boo > >OOh before you order it, I don't know if that district 'does' cover the >Chelsea Hospital, but deaths are registered in the district they occur >so its still a 'possible'. It was the electoral roll entry that made me >wonder. ><Boo, hoping David won't bill me if this isn't the correct cert ! :-) > > St George HS is IIRC much of London SW1 reaching at least as far south as the area now lost under Victoria Tower Gardens at the south end of the Palace of Westminster. It is a bit along the road from the Chelsea Hospital but possibly could have included one or two of the local "real" hospitals that a resident of the RH might have been taken to. Thomas seems to be a "loose end" in around half a dozen or so family trees in Ancestry; I might have a look later to see if his son stayed in the area or moved away in case his dad went with him.

In message <kpcurr$evq$1@dont-email.me>, David Mills <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> writes: >On 13/06/2013 16:17, Tickettyboo wrote: >> On 2013-06-12 21:52:01 +0100, David Mills said: [] >>> His name was Thomas Aldridge, born 1853 in Braughing,Herts., living >>> according to the 1911 census in East Ham with his son Jesse. [] >I had bought the Fulham death certificate some while back but the >informant was his son A Aldridge so I ruled that one out. Are you sure he didn't have a son A.? I know there's no such living with him in the 1901 (see another post in this thread), but he could have left or not been born by then. [] >Thanks tick boo -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right. -H.L. Mencken, writer, editor, and critic (1880-1956)

On 15/06/2013 07:48, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: > In message <kpcurr$evq$1@dont-email.me>, David Mills > <dcm19401@gmailREMOVE.com> writes: >> On 13/06/2013 16:17, Tickettyboo wrote: >>> On 2013-06-12 21:52:01 +0100, David Mills said: > [] >>>> His name was Thomas Aldridge, born 1853 in Braughing,Herts., living >>>> according to the 1911 census in East Ham with his son Jesse. > [] >> I had bought the Fulham death certificate some while back but the >> informant was his son A Aldridge so I ruled that one out. > > Are you sure he didn't have a son A.? I know there's no such living with > him in the 1901 (see another post in this thread), but he could have > left or not been born by then. > [] >> Thanks tick boo In the 1911 census thomas states 2 children born alive and 2 living.